Group A the group of death by far. Bayern, Villareal, Man City, Napoli.
I thought it depended on whether it was an actual FIFA date.correctLooking at his wikipedia page I see that Johnson has been capped by Germany at U19, 20, and 21. Hard to believe he'd forego an opportunity to play for Germany, but I suppose it is worth a shot.Friendlies don't tie players to a country, correct?

Not FIFA date, but FIFA official game. For the US the next official game is not until the first World Cup Qualifier. Friendlies do not count even if played on official FIFA calendar dates.Group A the group of death by far. Bayern, Villareal, Man City, Napoli.
I thought it depended on whether it was an actual FIFA date.correctLooking at his wikipedia page I see that Johnson has been capped by Germany at U19, 20, and 21. Hard to believe he'd forego an opportunity to play for Germany, but I suppose it is worth a shot.Friendlies don't tie players to a country, correct?![]()
Are you going to start a league there? If so let us know.http://en.uclfantasy.uefa.com/ Hasn't gone live yetany luck on finding a fantasy CL league?
If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired. 1968: 4,7471969: 4,6991970: 2,9301971: 3,1631972: 4,1591973: 4,7801974: 5,9541975: 7,7701976: 7,6421977: 10,2951978: 13,5581979: 13,0841980: 14,2011981: 14,0841982: 13,1551983: 13,2581984: 10,759'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.
I don't have a problem with Buddle. I think he's largely underrated, but we have younger players that are the future in Agudelo and Altidore and our primary focus should be ensuring they're as developed as possible for qualifying and WC play.I DO have a problem with the exclusion of Adu...he has ball skills that our midfielders simply don't have. He has far more to offer than several of the hacks currently on the roster IMHO.'scoobygang said:No Adu. No Buddle. Guess LHucks has to cancel that Edible Arrangement he was going to send to Klinsmann.
Did Quentin Tarentino finally get his long-deserved callup?I don't have a problem with Buddle. I think he's largely underrated, but we have younger players that are the future in Agudelo and Altidore and our primary focus should be ensuring they're as developed as possible for qualifying and WC play.I DO have a problem with the exclusion of Adu...he has ball skills that our midfielders simply don't have. He has far more to offer than several of the hacks currently on the roster IMHO.'scoobygang said:No Adu. No Buddle. Guess LHucks has to cancel that Edible Arrangement he was going to send to Klinsmann.
His dad wants him to play for Italy.Did Quentin Tarentino finally get his long-deserved callup?I don't have a problem with Buddle. I think he's largely underrated, but we have younger players that are the future in Agudelo and Altidore and our primary focus should be ensuring they're as developed as possible for qualifying and WC play.I DO have a problem with the exclusion of Adu...he has ball skills that our midfielders simply don't have. He has far more to offer than several of the hacks currently on the roster IMHO.'scoobygang said:No Adu. No Buddle. Guess LHucks has to cancel that Edible Arrangement he was going to send to Klinsmann.
Look at the group of midfielders who are not called. Adu, Holden, Bradley, Clark, Benny, Bedoya, and Jones. We could qualify with that group IMO. The US is loaded with slightly above average midfield talent right now. And this is with Landon listed as a striker.I DO have a problem with the exclusion of Adu...he has ball skills that our midfielders simply don't have. He has far more to offer than several of the hacks currently on the roster IMHO.
Well played.I heard his game seems flashy and creative to American soccer fans, but familiar and derivative to anyone who is well versed in 70s Chinese football.
hmmmmm.......Klinsmann is opening up one of the training sessions free to the public. That would be an interesting take for anyone near the HDC. August 31st, 5-6pm
It's the . . .After a long few years of trying to connect to a team, I have finally decided on a favorite team thanks to a new season of FM11 where I wanted an EPL team with no debt and a derby. After reading about the history and especially what some call the fiercest derby of them all, I will now be following the Wolverhampton Wanderers and of course hate all things Albion.
So as far as teams I follow for your list, I follow the Wolves and the Fire.
It's the . . .After a long few years of trying to connect to a team, I have finally decided on a favorite team thanks to a new season of FM11 where I wanted an EPL team with no debt and a derby. After reading about the history and especially what some call the fiercest derby of them all, I will now be following the Wolverhampton Wanderers and of course hate all things Albion.
So as far as teams I follow for your list, I follow the Wolves and the Fire.
FIRE!
FWIW, just so you know, they're generally known as "Wolves" and not "The Wolves". Same with Spurs...I have some friends who call them "The Spurs" (a la San Antonio), and I usually explain that they're really just "Spurs".After a long few years of trying to connect to a team, I have finally decided on a favorite team thanks to a new season of FM11 where I wanted an EPL team with no debt and a derby. After reading about the history and especially what some call the fiercest derby of them all, I will now be following the Wolverhampton Wanderers and of course hate all things Albion.So as far as teams I follow for your list, I follow the Wolves and the Fire.
you're pretty much misstating the point... how much did attendance for Cosmos games- home and away- improve? besides- not really the point of the film.If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired. 1968: 4,7471969: 4,6991970: 2,9301971: 3,1631972: 4,1591973: 4,7801974: 5,9541975: 7,7701976: 7,6421977: 10,2951978: 13,5581979: 13,0841980: 14,2011981: 14,0841982: 13,1551983: 13,2581984: 10,759'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.
have you seen it?eta:
I was the one who pretty much misstated the point with my op. sorry andy.uh-oh.It's the . . .After a long few years of trying to connect to a team, I have finally decided on a favorite team thanks to a new season of FM11 where I wanted an EPL team with no debt and a derby. After reading about the history and especially what some call the fiercest derby of them all, I will now be following the Wolverhampton Wanderers and of course hate all things Albion.
So as far as teams I follow for your list, I follow the Wolves and the Fire.
FIRE!
FIRE!
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After a long few years of trying to connect to a team, I have finally decided on a favorite team thanks to a new season of FM11 where I wanted an EPL team with no debt and a derby. After reading about the history and especially what some call the fiercest derby of them all, I will now be following the Wolverhampton Wanderers and of course hate all things Albion.
So as far as teams I follow for your list, I follow the Wolves and the Fire.
I finally have a reason to hate you.Also, I look forward to our slapfight rivalry as the FFA's only fans of Wolves and West Brom.
Its a friendly - there's no reason to think coach is looking to put the best eleven out there.I don't have a problem with Buddle. I think he's largely underrated, but we have younger players that are the future in Agudelo and Altidore and our primary focus should be ensuring they're as developed as possible for qualifying and WC play.I DO have a problem with the exclusion of Adu...he has ball skills that our midfielders simply don't have. He has far more to offer than several of the hacks currently on the roster IMHO.'scoobygang said:No Adu. No Buddle. Guess LHucks has to cancel that Edible Arrangement he was going to send to Klinsmann.
I don't even know what the point wasyou're pretty much misstating the point... how much did attendance for Cosmos games- home and away- improve? besides- not really the point of the film.If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired. 1968: 4,7471969: 4,6991970: 2,9301971: 3,1631972: 4,1591973: 4,7801974: 5,9541975: 7,7701976: 7,6421977: 10,2951978: 13,5581979: 13,0841980: 14,2011981: 14,0841982: 13,1551983: 13,2581984: 10,759'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.have you seen it?eta:
I was the one who pretty much misstated the point with my op. sorry andy.
I was just trying to provide some data to show that the NASL attendance maxed out well after Pele left the league. To answer your question, I have the Cosmos home data. They made a huge leap in attendance during the 77 season when they moved into the then new Giants Stadium1971 4,517 Yankee Stadium1972 4,282 Hofstra Stadium1973 5,782 Hofstra Stadium1974 3,578 Downing Stadium1975 10,450 Downing Stadium1976 18,227 Yankee Stadium1977 34,142 Giants Stadium1978 47,856 Giants Stadium1979 46,690 Giants Stadium1980 42,754 Giants Stadium1981 34,835 Giants Stadium1982 28,479 Giants Stadium1983 27,242 Giants Stadium1984 12,817 Giants StadiumAnd do you think they would have moved to Giants Stadium without Pele? Even throwing out '77, the % jump from 1974 to 1976 was 600%. There's no doubt that the most dramatic increases came during the Pele era.I don't even know what the point wasyou're pretty much misstating the point... how much did attendance for Cosmos games- home and away- improve? besides- not really the point of the film.If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired. 1968: 4,7471969: 4,6991970: 2,9301971: 3,1631972: 4,1591973: 4,7801974: 5,9541975: 7,7701976: 7,6421977: 10,2951978: 13,5581979: 13,0841980: 14,2011981: 14,0841982: 13,1551983: 13,2581984: 10,759'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.have you seen it?eta:
I was the one who pretty much misstated the point with my op. sorry andy.
I was just trying to provide some data to show that the NASL attendance maxed out well after Pele left the league. To answer your question, I have the Cosmos home data. They made a huge leap in attendance during the 77 season when they moved into the then new Giants Stadium1971 4,517 Yankee Stadium1972 4,282 Hofstra Stadium1973 5,782 Hofstra Stadium1974 3,578 Downing Stadium1975 10,450 Downing Stadium1976 18,227 Yankee Stadium1977 34,142 Giants Stadium1978 47,856 Giants Stadium1979 46,690 Giants Stadium1980 42,754 Giants Stadium1981 34,835 Giants Stadium1982 28,479 Giants Stadium1983 27,242 Giants Stadium1984 12,817 Giants Stadium
we shall see...I don't think it's a good sign.Its a friendly - there's no reason to think coach is looking to put the best eleven out there.
LA handled them pretty easily.I'd love to see LA square off against a lower rung EPL team right now...I don't think it would be a route...a wolverhampton or wigan for example.LA won their Champions League game tonight 2-0. With the NY game being moved Arena started his top lineup. Gonzalez and Barret scored for LA over the Costa Rican champions at the HDCLA, Colorado, Seattle and Dallas are first in their groups after all teams have played two games. Toronto is in second behind Dallas. Pretty much the best start ever for MLS teams as a whole in Champions League play.
Agreed 100%. My original post was not talking about the Cosmos attendance, it was talking about the league wide attendance. If you asked the average US soccer fan, I bet you would find that most were under the impression that the NASL peaked during the Pele years. Hell I still run into people online who think the NASL dwarfed MLS for attendance where in fact the NASL's best attendance year was closer to MLS's worst year for attendance.And do you think they would have moved to Giants Stadium without Pele? Even throwing out '77, the % jump from 1974 to 1976 was 600%. There's no doubt that the most dramatic increases came during the Pele era.I don't even know what the point wasyou're pretty much misstating the point... how much did attendance for Cosmos games- home and away- improve? besides- not really the point of the film.If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired. 1968: 4,7471969: 4,6991970: 2,9301971: 3,1631972: 4,1591973: 4,7801974: 5,9541975: 7,7701976: 7,6421977: 10,2951978: 13,5581979: 13,0841980: 14,2011981: 14,0841982: 13,1551983: 13,2581984: 10,759'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.have you seen it?eta:
I was the one who pretty much misstated the point with my op. sorry andy.
I was just trying to provide some data to show that the NASL attendance maxed out well after Pele left the league. To answer your question, I have the Cosmos home data. They made a huge leap in attendance during the 77 season when they moved into the then new Giants Stadium1971 4,517 Yankee Stadium1972 4,282 Hofstra Stadium1973 5,782 Hofstra Stadium1974 3,578 Downing Stadium1975 10,450 Downing Stadium1976 18,227 Yankee Stadium1977 34,142 Giants Stadium1978 47,856 Giants Stadium1979 46,690 Giants Stadium1980 42,754 Giants Stadium1981 34,835 Giants Stadium1982 28,479 Giants Stadium1983 27,242 Giants Stadium1984 12,817 Giants Stadium
[uSA SPOTLIGHT] Two years ago, Fabian Johnson lined up alongside Sami Khedira and Mesut Ozil in a midfield that led Germany to a 4-0 win over England in the U-21 European Championship final. Now the Munich-born Johnson, whose father is American, has decided to wear the U.S. jersey, accepting an invite from Jurgen Klinsmann for friendlies against Costa Rica Sept. 2 and Belgium Sept. 6. He arrives after starting the Bundesliga season setting up three goals in three games for German first division club Hoffenheim.The 23-year-old Johnson is known as a fast, technically sound player who can play on the backline or in midfield. At the U-21 European Championship, where Germany’s performance sparked talk of a golden generation, he played wide right in the midfield while starting in the final and in a 1-0 win over Italy in the semifinal.Before the U-21 finals, Johnson had played in more than 60 Second Division games for 1860 Munich, the club he joined as at age 9. At 15, he served as ballboy for 1860’s games in the Munich Olympic Stadium.“Goalkeeper Michael Hofmann once gave me a strong scolding,” Johnson recalled of his ball boy days and the time he didn’t get the ball back quite fast enough. Three years later he was Hofmann’s teammate, making his pro debut at 18.“His strength is his versatility,” said Walter Schachner, Johnson’s 1860 coach at the time. “He can, from right back to left wing, play every position. He’s strong with both feet and thus unpredictable for every opponent.”After the European Championship, Johnson moved up to the First Division when he signed for defending champion VfL Wolfsburg on what the German press reported was a $3.5 million transfer.Johnson saw action in 16 games (scoring once) in two seasons for Wolfsburg, which this summer sold him to Hoffenheim for $1 million.The 23-year-old got off to a fast start at Hoffenheim, which finished 11th last season. He scored in his debut, the overtime gamewinner in a 3-1 German Cup victory over Germania Windeck.He drew the penalty kick that led to Hoffenheim’s goal in a 2-1 loss to Hannover 96 in the Bundesliga opener. He started again wide right in midfield as Hoffenheim beat defending champ Borussia Dortmund, 1-0, in the season’s second game.And last weekend, he was rated by Kicker Magazine as Hoffenheim’s best field player in a win 2-0 win over Augsburg in which he delivered the pass that Ryan Babel finished for the first goal and drew a penalty kick that led to the second goal.From Germany’s U-21 European Championship team, Johnson’s teammates Khedira, Ozil, goalkeeper Manuel Neuer and defender Jerome Boateng went on to play for Germany’s fourth-place team at the 2010 World Cup, after which Khedira and Ozil moved to Real Madrid from VfB Stuttgart and Werder Bremen, respectively.Johnson had not made it to Germany’s full national team, which is why he can play for the nation he is a citizen of thanks to his father.
In form striker....................good lord, how rarely have we ever used that term to describe a US National Team forward....
My original post was just saying to watch the movie. Very entertaining and informative look at the team and league. Again, I thought the Cosmos were a legitimate, thriving team prior to Pele's arrival- in reality, they were a bunch of amateurs playing on dirt and rocks on Randall's Island in front of very few and mostly uncaring people. Pele's signing at the very end of the season in '75 completely changed that. Also interesting that at roughly $1mil/year, he became the highest paid athlete in the country surpassing the next highest (Hank Freaking Aaron!) by more than 4x!Agreed 100%. My original post was not talking about the Cosmos attendance, it was talking about the league wide attendance. If you asked the average US soccer fan, I bet you would find that most were under the impression that the NASL peaked during the Pele years.And do you think they would have moved to Giants Stadium without Pele? Even throwing out '77, the % jump from 1974 to 1976 was 600%. There's no doubt that the most dramatic increases came during the Pele era.I don't even know what the point wasyou're pretty much misstating the point... how much did attendance for Cosmos games- home and away- improve? besides- not really the point of the film.If you ask the average person, they think NASL attendance skyrocketed when he came into the league. Pele actually had small affect on attendance while he played league wide the first two seasons. Pele played from 75-77. Here is the NASL's overall attendance average per year. Attendance maxed out 3 years after he retired.'El Floppo said:btw- finally got around to watching Once in a Lifetime- the story of the Cosmos and the NASL. Really fascinating viewing for anybody that's interested in either. I had wrongly figured that the NASL AND the Cosmos had already found traction by the time Pele came over- not even close.
1968: 4,747
1969: 4,699
1970: 2,930
1971: 3,163
1972: 4,159
1973: 4,780
1974: 5,954
1975: 7,770
1976: 7,642
1977: 10,295
1978: 13,558
1979: 13,084
1980: 14,201
1981: 14,084
1982: 13,155
1983: 13,258
1984: 10,759have you seen it?
eta:I was the one who pretty much misstated the point with my op. sorry andy.
I was just trying to provide some data to show that the NASL attendance maxed out well after Pele left the league.
To answer your question, I have the Cosmos home data. They made a huge leap in attendance during the 77 season when they moved into the then new Giants Stadium
1971 4,517 Yankee Stadium
1972 4,282 Hofstra Stadium
1973 5,782 Hofstra Stadium
1974 3,578 Downing Stadium
1975 10,450 Downing Stadium
1976 18,227 Yankee Stadium
1977 34,142 Giants Stadium
1978 47,856 Giants Stadium
1979 46,690 Giants Stadium
1980 42,754 Giants Stadium
1981 34,835 Giants Stadium
1982 28,479 Giants Stadium
1983 27,242 Giants Stadium
1984 12,817 Giants Stadium
Hell I still run into people online who think the NASL dwarfed MLS for attendance where in fact the NASL's best attendance year was closer to MLS's worst year for attendance.
Live & replay on FSCIs Barca/Porto being shown in the US today?
Good riddance.Joey Barton signed with QPR for 4 years
Except that Rangers and Celtic EACH actually win things as opposed to this.MLS starting to look a lot like Scottish Premier League
I think this chart is just before Keane so LA is likely much higher.
Match moved to Sunday due to Irene and expected heavy rains tonight.FRIDAY6 p.m. - Fox Soccer Channel - College of Charleston vs. South Carolina
Would you consider this the biggest fail in MLS history if red bull finds a way to miss ten team playoff? If not the worst it has to be darn close.Except that Rangers and Celtic EACH actually win things as opposed to this.MLS starting to look a lot like Scottish Premier League
I think this chart is just before Keane so LA is likely much higher.
You're a Newcastle fan?Good riddance.Joey Barton signed with QPR for 4 years
I think he wants to moonlight as a WWE manager.They actually didn't even put the full quote:"Maybe they'll realise how important we are to England, you understand? They treat us like ####."Sir Alex is doing his best to make Man U even more lovable than they already are. holy ####### ####![]()
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/soccer/08/26/Alex.Ferguson.ap/index.html?sct=sc_t2_a3
MANCHESTER, England (AP) -- Alex Ferguson wants the Football Association to show more respect to Manchester United because the Premier League champion provides the England national team with so many players.
As many as eight United players could be picked for next month's European Championship qualifiers against Bulgaria and Wales. Ferguson said Friday that should inspire gratitude in the ruling body.
Without citing a particular incident, Ferguson cursed as he lambasted the FA for the way it has treated his team.
"We are pleased for the players because they deserve to be there. They are outstanding," Ferguson said. "The FA may one day realize who has produced more players for their country than any other club in the world.
"Maybe they will get some joy from it at some point in their lives and realize how important we are to England."
David Beckham, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney are among the recent United players to represent England. They have not played as well for England as they have at the club level, with England's only performances of note since winning the 1966 World Cup coming with runs to the semifinals of the 1990 World Cup and 1996 European Championship.
Ferguson did not say what he was unhappy about, although he was banned from the sideline for five matches last season for questioning the impartiality of a referee. He was also displeased when Rooney was banned for two matches after swearing into a TV camera while celebrating.
But the FA has not always been harsh toward United. The association allowed defending champion United to sit out the 1999-2000 FA Cup so it could take part in the FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil. Many commentators accused the move of permanently damaging the prestige of the world soccer's oldest cup competition.