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Hmm 23 man roster. Assuming everyone is healthy. Here goes bolded names are locks

Goalkeepers (3): Howard, Guzan, Robles (don't really care about the 3rd keeper, but there should be 3 on the squad just in case)

Defense (7): Gooch, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Bocanegra, Hejduk, Pearce?

Midfield (9): LD, Dempsey, Bradley, Clark, Jones or Pablo, Edu, Torres, Feilhaber, Adu

Striker (4): Altidore, Davies, Ching, Kenny Cooper

That's my best guess right now. The 4th striker seems like the biggest ? as well as who gets the final MF call-up: Adu, Torres, Edu, Feilhaber, or someone else. DMB is out, Sacha is out, Wynne is out, as is Connor Casey who didn't do a GD thing in the Confed Cup. I'm a bit concerned about the 7th defender on the squad. I have little confidence in any of the guys except for those I listed 9and little confidence in Pearce, although I think he's the least worst of the bunch).
I don't know that Casey deserves a spot or not on team - but it would have been nice to see him play with 10 other players on the field in the Confederations Cup. He was a later addition to the team and I think with his size he could help, if they get some practice time with him. He has been looking good for the Rapids in the box on those "garbage" like pickups and also in the air. He put one off the crossbar in SA off a header. US really needs to find someone who can do some damage in the air - I'm not sure who that is if it isn't Casey.
For what it is worth, I'm sure he doesn't.
 
Hmm 23 man roster. Assuming everyone is healthy. Here goes bolded names are locks

Goalkeepers (3): Howard, Guzan, Robles (don't really care about the 3rd keeper, but there should be 3 on the squad just in case)

Defense (7): Gooch, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Bocanegra, Hejduk, Pearce?

Midfield (9): LD, Dempsey, Bradley, Clark, Jones or Pablo, Edu, Torres, Feilhaber, Adu

Striker (4): Altidore, Davies, Ching, Kenny Cooper

That's my best guess right now. The 4th striker seems like the biggest ? as well as who gets the final MF call-up: Adu, Torres, Edu, Feilhaber, or someone else. DMB is out, Sacha is out, Wynne is out, as is Connor Casey who didn't do a GD thing in the Confed Cup. I'm a bit concerned about the 7th defender on the squad. I have little confidence in any of the guys except for those I listed 9and little confidence in Pearce, although I think he's the least worst of the bunch).
I think you probably need to take 4 guys who can pay CB. Between cards and injuries, I wouldn't want to go into the tourney with only 3. Whether that's Marshall, Parkhurst, Califf, I'll leave that to Bradley since its the 22nd position on the roster at this point. That means leaving out one of the MFs (don't think we really need 5 center MFs, but what do I know) or Pearce. I'd also rather have a speedier 4th striker if we're going to play counterattacking soccer.I also think Bornstein is farther up the depth chart than Pearce at this point.

Having said all that, a year is a long way away in soccer terms, so I'm sure some of this will change.

I agree with Christo on the starting 11 though I'd rather a speedier LB, but I don't that that's in the cards over the next year. I also don't think there's a place on this team for DMB ince I think we've found that Donovan and Dempsey should be the "wings" which doesn't leave a place for him (and face it if Donovan's hurt we aren't going anywhere anyway, Dempsey is easier to replace, but he's a RMF anyway).

 
I think you probably need to take 4 guys who can pay CB. Between cards and injuries, I wouldn't want to go into the tourney with only 3. Whether that's Marshall, Parkhurst, Califf, I'll leave that to Bradley since its the 22nd position on the roster at this point. That means leaving out one of the MFs (don't think we really need 5 center MFs, but what do I know) or Pearce.
I was thinking this same thing. I think you can get away with not having Pearce/Bornstein but I bet right now Bornstein would go since he seems to be filling the fullback and backup DMC roles at the same time. It's nice to have flexibility like that. That would mean kicking one of the MFs to the curb.
 
Anybody know anything about Santino Quaranta? He is on the Gold Cup roster at forward and I am not familiar with him.
MLS guy. He's been capped a few times...10-15 maybe. A few years ago he was a fairly promising prospect, but he never really panned out.IIRC, he was in the discussion for the 2006 World Cup team, but didn't make the squad. He's been in no-man's land since then. I'd guess he doesn't really have any shot at making the 2010 Cup team...he's kinda just a fill-in for the Gold Cup.ETA - He's also one of the earlier graduates from the Bradenton Academy. Just a few weeks ago I was making fun of him, talking about how he sucked and the academy didn't prepare him well. And here we are...
 
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Michael Bradley supposedly under investigation from FIFA. Alleged altercation with match referee in the tunnel after the Spain match. FIFA supposedly to announce results of investigation in coming days. This from Grant Wahl on cnnsi.com

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wa...ent?eref=fromSI
Seems like a non-issue. Even the article states that as even if he gets suspended, he can technically serve that in the Gold Cup when he isn't even on the roster.
 
Honestly, I just don't think there's room on the squad for DMB assuming the following things: 1) Jones is the real deal and can earn a starting spot. 2) Edu is also the real deal and gets more and more PT in Scotland.

The nice thing about Edu is that he can fill in at CB if need be. Remember that's where he played in the Olympics and did pretty well. If there's a MF that I pull from my list it's Adu as he hasn't shown anything in bog-boy games yet.

Pearce I was never sold on, (hence the ? after his name). I just know that Bornstein doesn't inspire confidence in me, and neither does anyone else. Someone's gonna get that spot, and I hope that he doesn't see the field.

Finally, the 5 central MF selection was based on 2 things: 1) Bradley often likes to go to a 4-5-1 based on matchup or protecting a lead, and 2) our central MF pick up a ton of cards. I don't want to be stuck having to play LD in a holding role while Conor Casey sits on his ### on the bench.

I would LOVE to see McBride back in the squad. There's definitely a starting spot with his name on it if he wants it. I know he watched those games and was jealous of their success and knew that he could have contributed. I'd slot him over Altidore and pair him with Davies at this point.

 
Not necessarily who do you think will get picked though, but who would you WANT to see picked.
Goalkeepers (3): Howard, Guzan, Robles Defense (7): Gooch, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Bocanegra, Hejduk, Parkhurst

Midfield (9): LD, Bradley, Feilhaber, Jones, Edu, Torres, Adu, Clark, DMB

Striker (4): Dempsey, Altidore, Davies, Ching

Howard

Spector - Gooch - DeMerit - Boca

Donovan - Benny/Jones - Bradley - Torres

Dempsey - Altidore

 
Steve Tasker said:
This season, after tonight's 1-1 draw, we are 3-2-3 for 11 points from 8 games. Going into tonight, we were in 6th place. We played the team in 4th at their place...they had a full squad + 4 subs, we had only 11 players. We went up 1-0 in the first 15 minutes, and around the 25th, one of our good defenders went down with a foot injury. We played the other 65 minutes with 10 men, surrendering 1 goal around the 50th minute. We held strong in the end and earned the draw.
A 1-1 draw under those conditions is a win.
:thumbup: I knew at least 1 person would read it.We've had a ton of trouble all year with subs. We've played with 0 subs in 3 of our 8 league games, and have never had more than 2 subs for any given game. In our cup game, which we lost even though we really outplayed the other team, we only had 9 guys show up and lost our captain to a broken arm....we played the last 15 minutes 8-on-11 and even managed to hit the post....but we couldn't quite tie it.
While we do have injuries, the bolded are why I will stay with YMCA Co-ed ball. No slide tackles makes things a lot less painful. Are you restricted on subbing or is pretty open?
Standard restrictions on subbing - has to be your own team's throw-in or a goal kick (or injury sub). You can sub in and out, unlimited subs per game. Roster size is limited to 18 active players....we have 20 on the roster, but it isn't an issue cause half the team never shows anyway.Just last night, a guy on their team may have broken his ankle in a collision with our GK. He had to be carried off the field...the ref called the foul on our GK and the guy missed the net wide left on the ensuing PK in the ~75th minute.

A ton of injuries in our games so far.

 
Steve Tasker said:
This season, after tonight's 1-1 draw, we are 3-2-3 for 11 points from 8 games. Going into tonight, we were in 6th place. We played the team in 4th at their place...they had a full squad + 4 subs, we had only 11 players. We went up 1-0 in the first 15 minutes, and around the 25th, one of our good defenders went down with a foot injury. We played the other 65 minutes with 10 men, surrendering 1 goal around the 50th minute. We held strong in the end and earned the draw.
A 1-1 draw under those conditions is a win.
:thumbup: I knew at least 1 person would read it.We've had a ton of trouble all year with subs. We've played with 0 subs in 3 of our 8 league games, and have never had more than 2 subs for any given game. In our cup game, which we lost even though we really outplayed the other team, we only had 9 guys show up and lost our captain to a broken arm....we played the last 15 minutes 8-on-11 and even managed to hit the post....but we couldn't quite tie it.
While we do have injuries, the bolded are why I will stay with YMCA Co-ed ball. No slide tackles makes things a lot less painful. Are you restricted on subbing or is pretty open?
What I hate about Co-ed is that guys can only have three touches. Or is your different?TASKER MAKE YOUR CUTS! Due tomorrow or no 1st rounder.

 
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anyone going to see milan vs. chelsea july 24 in baltimore? was thinking about going. how much are tickets? will both sides play enough 'stars' to make it worthwhile?

 
I just hate the flopping, flailing, rolling around like you are about to die
Stop by my place, I'll kick you in the shins and we'll see how fast you jump back up.
yes, it will hurt. but it won't leave you writhing around in pain for 2 minutes.
Feel free to drop by as well.
:boxing: I get not liking when players embellish or flat-out fake it... but get real- unless he's going to take a sprinting start while wearing cleats, Christo is offering you much, much better than what you'd get on the field, and it's still going to hurt like hell.
 
What's the story on Eddie Johnson? The guy absolutely broke out a few years ago and looked to be a phenom, but no word from him in a long time. I watch almost all of the USMNT matches, but somehow I missed what happened or at least don't remember. I don't really like any of the strikers for the US right now after watching the Confed Cup (Dempsey was the best striker and he only played that position for like 10 minutes at the end of two games and he's not even a striker). I like Ching coming back, but was curious about Johnson's status.

 
What's the story on Eddie Johnson? The guy absolutely broke out a few years ago and looked to be a phenom, but no word from him in a long time. I watch almost all of the USMNT matches, but somehow I missed what happened or at least don't remember. I don't really like any of the strikers for the US right now after watching the Confed Cup (Dempsey was the best striker and he only played that position for like 10 minutes at the end of two games and he's not even a striker). I like Ching coming back, but was curious about Johnson's status.
long story short.....he's terrible
 
What's the story on Eddie Johnson? The guy absolutely broke out a few years ago and looked to be a phenom, but no word from him in a long time. I watch almost all of the USMNT matches, but somehow I missed what happened or at least don't remember. I don't really like any of the strikers for the US right now after watching the Confed Cup (Dempsey was the best striker and he only played that position for like 10 minutes at the end of two games and he's not even a striker). I like Ching coming back, but was curious about Johnson's status.
A group of us from this board got together and jammed him in Tasker's basement.
 
Eddie Johnson made a living on his physical gifts alone.

When it came time to progress (and play overseas), it became obvious that he was completely clueless in terms of game intelligence, IMO. Doesn't know what to do without the ball, he just doesn't seem to "get it".

 
I just hate the flopping, flailing, rolling around like you are about to die
Stop by my place, I'll kick you in the shins and we'll see how fast you jump back up.
yes, it will hurt. but it won't leave you writhing around in pain for 2 minutes.
Feel free to drop by as well.
:shrug: I get not liking when players embellish or flat-out fake it... but get real- unless he's going to take a sprinting start while wearing cleats, Christo is offering you much, much better than what you'd get on the field, and it's still going to hurt like hell.
I never wore shin guards. The front of my shin bones are a mess.
 
What I hate about Co-ed is that guys can only have three touches. Or is your different?
Different. We play 6 v 6 and we must have two women on the field. (or no more than four men is another way to look at it)If you have eight guys show and no women then you are playing with four on the field.No slide tackles, a three line rule for kicks and no offside. Also, female goals count two. Subbing is at will, but since we usually do entire line changes (keeper excluded) we stick to our throws or goal kicks so we don't get caught with players running on and off. If someone gets too tired though they just run off and their sub runs on.I've suggested that we turn the bench on its side and make the subs go over it since it looks like hockey when we sub.
 
Michael Bradley supposedly under investigation from FIFA. Alleged altercation with match referee in the tunnel after the Spain match. FIFA supposedly to announce results of investigation in coming days. This from Grant Wahl on cnnsi.com

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wa...ent?eref=fromSI
Seems like a non-issue. Even the article states that as even if he gets suspended, he can technically serve that in the Gold Cup when he isn't even on the roster.
Most likely not an issue just one of those news blips out there.
 
Michael Bradley supposedly under investigation from FIFA. Alleged altercation with match referee in the tunnel after the Spain match. FIFA supposedly to announce results of investigation in coming days. This from Grant Wahl on cnnsi.com

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wa...ent?eref=fromSI
Seems like a non-issue. Even the article states that as even if he gets suspended, he can technically serve that in the Gold Cup when he isn't even on the roster.
Most likely not an issue just one of those news blips out there.
If he did it FIFA shouldn't even have to do anything. His father should suspend him.
 
I never wore shin guards. The front of my shin bones are a mess.
Jesus ####### christ....how are you still able to walk?
I don't know. Never finished a game where I wasn't bleeding. But I just didn't like them.
Nike has some new ones that are pretty sweet. You barely feel them. Strapless.
Damn. I remember the ones that went all over the ankle and everything, not to mention the little kiddie ones that were sleeves with a soft pad in the front.BTW, Muay Thai kicks hurt the shins a hell of a lot more than soccer ever did.
 
Anybody know anything about Santino Quaranta? He is on the Gold Cup roster at forward and I am not familiar with him.
Santino was one of the golden children of the US youth national teams. He starred on the U17's along with Eddie Johnson.At just over 16, he became the youngest player ever to be drafted by an MLS side (DC United). Had a solid rookie season scoring 5 goals.Then injuries and off the field issues (became a very young dad and had a drug addiction), hampered any progress and almost killed his once promising career.Shear talent kept him hanging around MLS, where in the last season or so, he has finally matured and has started to play pretty well. He is only 24 but he will never get back those 6-7 years he basically flushed down the drain.He is a 6'1" outside midfielder sometimes striker. Has represented the US at the senior level 11 times.
 
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I am not a big Connor Casey guy. He runs like he is 65 years old. There are other pure strikers I would much rather see in there instead of him (outside of Jozy and Davies)

McBride (rumor has been floating that he is willing to pull on the shirt again. Would make a nice second half sub with his experience)

Ching (he is what he is, but its still much better than Casey)

Cooper (big, mobile and with a pair of feet that would instantly make Jozy a top level striker. There is obviously something in his game that is bad that as a fan I can't detect because I can not explain how he is constantly over looked).

Jacqua (a more mobile version of Casey)

 
The US Brazil game drew a 2.7 overnight rating for ESPN (note the game was also on Univision which also likely had a nice sized audiance).

This makes it the highest drawing non WC game ever for ESPN. Considering they got these rights thrown in as part of the World Cup deal, did not send any announcers or cameras to South Africa, ESPN hopefully turned an unexpected profit with these games.

These were the top markets for the final:

1. Miami-Fort Lauderdale

2. Las Vegas

3. New York

4. West Palm Beach

5. Hartford-New Haven

6. Atlanta

7. Richmond

8. Washington, D.C.

9. San Francisco

10. San Diego

 
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I never wore shin guards. The front of my shin bones are a mess.
Jesus ####### christ....how are you still able to walk?
I don't know. Never finished a game where I wasn't bleeding. But I just didn't like them.
Nike has some new ones that are pretty sweet. You barely feel them. Strapless.
I used to wear strapless ones, but they would slide around and end up sideways on my legs. I switched to the strap with no ankle support and wore those in high school.I've since switched back to the old standard....stirrup ankle protection + strap shinguards. I used to always think the ankle protection was too bulky...until I broke my ankle sophomore year. :goodposting: I don't even feel them.
 
My hopes for the World Cup (as of now):

GK - Howard, Guzan, Reis (no clue on the third)

D - Onyewu, Bocanegra, DeMerit, Spector, Cherundolo, Hejduk, Castillo, Parkhurst

M - Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Feilhaber, Jones, Edu, Torres

F - Jozy, Davies, Ching, McBride (!)

My dilema's are a lack of a defined 4th DC, which I guess would be Parkhurst and finding a pacey stike option after Davies. What little I have seen of Califf has completely turned me off to him. But Edu does offer some versatilty in being able to sub into the back line if needed. If Castillo is what he is billed to be he could fill in either at LB or ML, which would be huge. Ching and McBride are kind of the same, but Dempsey also has the versatility to play up top.

XI

Howard

Spector DeMerit Gooch Boca

Donovan Bradley Jones Dempsey

Ching Davies

But I guess depending on how things play out and certain players fit in maybe something like this could be achieved:
XI

Howard

Spector Boca Gooch Hejduk

Donovan Bradley Jones Castillo

Dempsey Davies

While Boca looked better than DMB and Borenstein at LB, he still stuggled with the pace of Ramos and Maicon. Hejduk had been playing really well in the Qualifiers and lack of speed has never been his problem. I think this might inject a lot of speed and bite to possible counter-attacks if that is the way Bradley is going to be playing things. Hopefully Jones would be able to live up to the billing and he could help to cover Castillo and Hejduk. Also I think with Bradley in he can cover the right a lot better when Landon pushes forward.
 
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It wasn't all that long ago that Bobby Convey was an important part of the team and yet he doesn't even get an after thought any more. And its not like he is old at 26....Yet another player who got worse after going to Europe.

 
The US Brazil game drew a 2.7 overnight rating for ESPN (note the game was also on Univision which also likely had a nice sized audiance).This makes it the highest drawing non WC game ever for ESPN. Considering they got these rights thrown in as part of the World Cup deal, did not send any announcers or cameras to South Africa, ESPN hopefully turned an unexpected profit with these games.These were the top markets for the final:1. Miami-Fort Lauderdale2. Las Vegas3. New York4. West Palm Beach5. Hartford-New Haven6. Atlanta7. Richmond8. Washington, D.C.9. San Francisco10. San Diego
Tremendous news. Couldn't be happier.
 
I never wore shin guards. The front of my shin bones are a mess.
Jesus ####### christ....how are you still able to walk?
I don't know. Never finished a game where I wasn't bleeding. But I just didn't like them.
Nike has some new ones that are pretty sweet. You barely feel them. Strapless.
I used to wear strapless ones, but they would slide around and end up sideways on my legs.
The ones we bought have their own sleeve. So you have the guard, then a sleeve that goes over that, then your sock. I think the sleeve makes a huge difference in keeping it in place but we haven't had them very long so we'll see.
 
It wasn't all that long ago that Bobby Convey was an important part of the team and yet he doesn't even get an after thought any more. And its not like he is old at 26....Yet another player who got worse after going to Europe.
He and Hahnemann have both kinda disappeared.
 
The ones we bought have their own sleeve. So you have the guard, then a sleeve that goes over that, then your sock. I think the sleeve makes a huge difference in keeping it in place but we haven't had them very long so we'll see.
I was also 12 years old at the time, so that could make a difference :thumbup:
 
It wasn't all that long ago that Bobby Convey was an important part of the team and yet he doesn't even get an after thought any more. And its not like he is old at 26....Yet another player who got worse after going to Europe.
According to wikipedia he had 20 appearances for Reading in the EPL in 07-08 then he injured his knee. Maybe he hasn't fully recovered.Whoops. Misread that. He had 45 appearances for Reading in 05-06, was in injured in 06-07 then returned for 20 appearances in 07-08.
 
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It wasn't all that long ago that Bobby Convey was an important part of the team and yet he doesn't even get an after thought any more. And its not like he is old at 26....Yet another player who got worse after going to Europe.
According to wikipedia he had 20 appearances for Reading in the EPL in 07-08 then he injured his knee. Maybe he hasn't fully recovered.Whoops. Misread that. He had 45 appearances for Reading in 05-06, was in injured in 06-07 then returned for 20 appearances in 07-08.
Yeah, Convey just fell off the face of the Earth. Unfortunate. I remember thinking the last World Cup he might be able to make a pretty good run on the national team.
 
It wasn't all that long ago that Bobby Convey was an important part of the team and yet he doesn't even get an after thought any more. And its not like he is old at 26....Yet another player who got worse after going to Europe.
He and Hahnemann have both kinda disappeared.
Hahnemann is old, but is back in the EPL with the Wolves
I meant disappeared from the USMNT, but yeah.I didn't realize he was 37...I thought maybe 32-33.
 

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