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Anelka with a beautiful pass to Drogba who slots it home. 1-0 Chelsea. These two work extremely well together. Anelka is very good with the ball and is very underrated playing the role of creator.
90 minutes of domination here - it will be interesting to see how Chelsea look against the top 4 - but right now they look really really good - fantastic ball movement and without Deco and Joe Cole.
I don't see them having any trouble qualifying for the CL in the top 4. Manchester United either. I'll be shocked if one of those two finishes 5th....it's going to be one of Liverpool, Arsenal, City finishing 5th, I think.I'm still not sold on Liverpool being good enough to just cruise through the season and make the top 4, although they'll probably qualify.
 
Anelka with a beautiful pass to Drogba who slots it home. 1-0 Chelsea. These two work extremely well together. Anelka is very good with the ball and is very underrated playing the role of creator.
90 minutes of domination here - it will be interesting to see how Chelsea look against the top 4 - but right now they look really really good - fantastic ball movement and without Deco and Joe Cole.
I don't see them having any trouble qualifying for the CL in the top 4. Manchester United either. I'll be shocked if one of those two finishes 5th....it's going to be one of Liverpool, Arsenal, City finishing 5th, I think.I'm still not sold on Liverpool being good enough to just cruise through the season and make the top 4, although they'll probably qualify.
Interestingly, Essien didnt start today for the first time since he came back from injury in Feb. Wonder whats going on there. Truth be told, hes not the best fit for the diamond (although he really could play anywhere on the field). Hes my favorite player to watch so I hope this doesnt become a trend, but I can see him splitting more time with Ballack moving forward.
 
And once again, soccer is likely the one area where Christo and I agree. This year I think that the Premiership goes to Chelsea. They have the talent, and there's been a slight exodus from United and 'pool. That leaves the door open for Chelsea to take it.

 
Also, Davies is overrated, imo. Yes, he scored a nice goal. But on how many occasions did he try to go 1 v 3 and get easily dispossessed. He cannot create for himself...oh, did he also miss that header that was on a plate in the penalty area in the game?
Hey guys- I can only spot-check in these days- hoping to fire off a few posts, but thought I'd start here in the way-back machine..Overrated? He's getting some buzz with his play- but I wouldn't really say that's "rating" him enough to qualify for being "over"-rated. :loco:

I loved that he went 1v3 against Mexico. Nothing else was on all game, and he did a solid job holding the ball (better than Ching, IMO) and going at guys, even if he ultimately lost the ball. He was the only guy visibly putting fear into the Mexican defense and one of the only US forwards I've EVER seen try and take one, two or however many players on it takes to go at goal.

I do agree that it can be too much sometimes, but prefer that to guys just giving the ball up after two touches. Hopefully he'll learn a little more balance with it- and it does seem like he pairs better with Jozy than he did with Ching.

 
Anyone ever dislocate a big toe playing soccer? My league starts up for the fall in a couple of weeks so we had a scrimmage today. About 30 minutes in, I planted my left foot and when I pushed off to start a run down the field, I felt my big toe sort of give way. It really didn't hurt that bad when I did it, but it did it again a couple of other times when I was bending it to push off. I taped it up at half time a little bit and was able to play the second half so I don't think I did any ligament or muscle damage on it. After I got home, it started throbbing a little bit so I took some ibuprofen. It's not very swollen right now but when I try to bend the first knuckle on the toe, I can't do it. When I put pressure on it like I'm pushing it into the floor, the pain is about 1/2 inch below where the toe meets the foot.

I'll probably go to the doc tomorrow for an x-ray.

 
When Drogba has his head out of his ####, he is the best striker in the EPL.....maybe the World. He is a lot of fun to watch, hopefully he goes mental again real soon.
He's easily in the top 5 in terms of talent IMO. A claim can be made for top 3 probably. Hard to say who is the BEST in the world.
I was just thinking about this as I watched Eto'o's Inter play against Bari today. In terms of pure strikers, I'd take Ibrahimavic.
 
Anyone ever dislocate a big toe playing soccer? My league starts up for the fall in a couple of weeks so we had a scrimmage today. About 30 minutes in, I planted my left foot and when I pushed off to start a run down the field, I felt my big toe sort of give way. It really didn't hurt that bad when I did it, but it did it again a couple of other times when I was bending it to push off. I taped it up at half time a little bit and was able to play the second half so I don't think I did any ligament or muscle damage on it. After I got home, it started throbbing a little bit so I took some ibuprofen. It's not very swollen right now but when I try to bend the first knuckle on the toe, I can't do it. When I put pressure on it like I'm pushing it into the floor, the pain is about 1/2 inch below where the toe meets the foot.I'll probably go to the doc tomorrow for an x-ray.
I dislocated mine in college (fortunately in off-season scrimmage). Hurt less than just felt weird- when I took the shoe off... whoa! The toe was turned around with the nail pointing down... freaked the #### out of me. Trainers popped it right back around and it hurt a little more- but only for a couple of days.What makes you think you dislocated it vs breaking/jamming/etc?
 
What makes you think you dislocated it vs breaking/jamming/etc?
It felt like it was dislocating or "popping" a couple other times after it initially happened. I'm guessing if I broke it, it would hurt a hell of a lot more, maybe a sharper pain. I could have just jammed it also (that's what happened to my other big toe tonight as I was reaching to clear a ball and toe-balled the damn thing, big time) but the popping feeling was what made me think it was a dislocation. We'll see what it looks/feels like in the morning. Yeah, we don't have trainers for our over-35, rec league so no luck getting an official diagnosis on the field. :pickle:
 
Didnt see this anywhere - Joleon Lescott moving to City from Everton for £24 million. Thats a lot of cash.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009...-medical-report
yeah, I've been following and posting on this saga all summer long.This is really an interesting story, and perhaps the new way soccer is going to run in England. Everton is not a big money club and Lescott is a good player. A big money club comes along and dangles a salary double what a small money club is paying. Small money club refuses to let him leave, but player refuses to stay. Opening game in Everton was a huge public cry for Lescott to stay. Lescott refused to train with club. Can you really blame him? Kind of a bad deal all around really.

 
Didnt see this anywhere - Joleon Lescott moving to City from Everton for £24 million. Thats a lot of cash.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009...-medical-report
yeah, I've been following and posting on this saga all summer long.This is really an interesting story, and perhaps the new way soccer is going to run in England. Everton is not a big money club and Lescott is a good player. A big money club comes along and dangles a salary double what a small money club is paying. Small money club refuses to let him leave, but player refuses to stay. Opening game in Everton was a huge public cry for Lescott to stay. Lescott refused to train with club. Can you really blame him? Kind of a bad deal all around really.
City has spent an astronomical sum of money this offseasonTevez

Abedayor

Barry

Santa Cruz

Lescott

Just astounding.

 
Did anyone hear that news about Calum Davenport? I heard it on Sky Sports 2 nights ago but didn't see an article til today. Pretty gruesome and ####ed up, actually.

Man charged with GBH after Davenport stabbing

A 25-year-old man has been charged with causing grievous bodily harm to West Ham defender Calum Davenport, Bedfordshire police said.

Worrell Whitehurst, of Finsley Walk, Derby, was charged with GBH after the 26-year-old player was allegedly stabbed in Bedford on Saturday.

Bedfordshire Police said Whitehurst was also charged with causing actual bodily harm to Davenport's 49-year-old mother, as well as driving whilst disqualified and possession of a bladed article.

He will appear at Bedford Magistrates' Court on Monday, while a 19-year-old man arrested shortly after the incident was released on police bail pending further inquiries, police said.

A spokeswoman for the force said: ''A man has now been charged and is due to appear at Bedford magistrates' court this morning.''

Davenport is in a serious but stable condition while his mother is ''recovering well'', police added.

The defender, a former England Under-21 international, underwent emergency surgery at Bedford Hospital for stab wounds to both legs after an incident at his mother's home in Springfield Avenue, Bedford, at 5am on Saturday.

Before Sunday's match between the Hammers and Tottenham, both fans were united in their support for Davenport - who also played at Spurs - as news broke that he was in intensive care.

''It was unbelievable when we heard about it,'' manager Gianfranco Zola said. ''You don't expect these things to happen, especially to the people that you know. We are very, very sorry for him.''

Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp added: ''I had him on loan, a lovely lad, inoffensive and it's really sad to see what's happened to him. Hopefully he'll pull through and be okay.

''You couldn't meet a brighter, more laid back lad than him. It's really sad.''
 
The skill set that Donovan possesses centers around speed and creativity. Most players either have that creativity or they don't and speed obviously doesn't improve as you age. But the idea that because Landon was so great at 16 that others should reach that peak is silly. Landon bloomed early and that's cool. But there are many, many more cases of players becoming dominant in their mid to late 20s, a point that the vast majority of our talent simply hasn't reached. I'm not trying to downplay LD's role over the last 10 years at all. I'm just trying to express that few world class players were world class at 16 or 19 or 21. And the idea that none of our guys are in that group does not mean none of them will ever achieve it.
you are misconstruing what many of us are saying.None of us are claiming any of the players we have been talking about peaked at 18 or were any where near their best. Landon himself is a better player today than he was 3 years ago IMO.What we are saying is that there is no stand out player in the system right now. Not that the player has peaked, but that he is a recognized player who COULD some day become a top national team player.I think one could easily argue that Ramos, Reyna and Donovan were all considered the stand out player of their generation, and all 3 made for top level (US speaking) national team players. I could even argue that these 3 were perhaps the best of the best in US history.Freddy was to be the next player in that group, at least it looked that was 4-5 years ago. Now it has become clear that he won't be, nor is there any new player who almost anyone can look at and say "damn, he has a chance to be a great US national team player"Sure, someone could come out of no where and shock us, but in following the US team in depth since 1989, those players are few and far between.
FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet. Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.Oh... Ramos- andy, you know I :goodposting: that guy- definitely my favorite MNT player ever. But I'd say he developed into a true pro after going to S America to play pro (Chile or Peru, IIRC). But he always had the intangibles (speed, quickness, skills, vision), even as a youth/college player.
 
re: Torres.... I'm with all of you guys in really liking what I've seen from him on the USMNT so far. I don't agree that the style of play should be that much different from Mexico that he wouldn't be able to adjust or make an immediate contribution- something else is going on with his game that makes Bradley uncomfortable with playing... I'm going to guess it's on the defensive side of things. The last minutes he's seen for the US were against Costa Rica where, arguably, he was the best US player on the field before getting pulled for Sascha at halftime. I actually like Bradley Sr as a coach, but wish he'd explain Torres' benching- the kid appears to be good enough to be seeing time.

 
Oh... Ramos- andy, you know I :wub: that guy- definitely my favorite MNT player ever. But I'd say he developed into a true pro after going to S America to play pro (Chile or Peru, IIRC). But he always had the intangibles (speed, quickness, skills, vision), even as a youth/college player.
I am not sure if I have a single favorite player but Ramos would be right up there.And I agree with your opinion of developing into a true pro much later. That was a by product of the times. Today a player of his talent would have been in MLS by 16-17 years old.Ramos himself though I don't think ever played in South America. He did play in Spain and in Mexico but never in South America that I can remember but maybe he trained there...
 
FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet.

Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.
I am drawing a blank.Here is the current U17 and U15 player pools in case it rings any bells

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

 
FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet.

Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.
I am drawing a blank.Here is the current U17 and U15 player pools in case it rings any bells

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx
Not sure if it's the kid you're talking about, but I've heard great, great, things about Jack McInerney. I don't remember where, though.
 
FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet.

Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.
I am drawing a blank.Here is the current U17 and U15 player pools in case it rings any bells

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx
You're obviously talking about Marvel Wynne.
 
First impressions:Holy ####....(a) there are a lot of overbearing parents out there. Jesus ####### Christ. And (b) there's a lot of politics involvedWithin 2 minutes of the tryouts, we had a parent tell us which 4 players we weren't allowed to pick because they were good enough to play up in the U10s (despite being 9 years old and eligible for our team) with his son. This guy's not a coach...he's a parent, roaming around on the field telling us what to do. At the end of the day, 2 parents came onto the field to plead their cases on why their kids should be on the team. "I know Jimmy didn't play well in the 4v4's but I swear he's a great player" and all that. Lobbying for their kid to be on the team.On top of that, there's a whole lot of politics going on. The "coach" let me make a lot of the personnel decisions, but he told me which players we had to take "Yeah, he's not too good, but his mother's on the board so we have to take him", stuff like that. He acknowledged that it wasn't right, but it's just part of the system :) . There's a ####load of gossip too...I heard a ton of stuff about parents and kids that I never wanted to know. It's all a part of the game - be in the "in"-crowd and your kid is set for years.Luckily for me, the coach is a pretty cool guy. Probably in his late 30s, seems to have a decent soccer mind and played when he was younger. As soon as we met, he said "here, I'll scout the kids, you scout the moms. If we have kids who are on the fence at the end of the day, we'll pick based on who has the hottest mother" :lmao: :lmao:It's an interesting position, being on the other side evaluating players. We had 23 players show up today for 12-14 spots. Probably have about 5 more tomorrow for the 2nd day of tryouts. At the end of day 1, we have 7 definite "we need this kid" picks, 9 "maybe", and 7 "not what we're looking for". It's pretty cool though, IMO.
:lmao: at the whole thing. Sweet jeebus.
 
FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet.

Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.
I am drawing a blank.Here is the current U17 and U15 player pools in case it rings any bells

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx
You're obviously talking about Marvel Wynne.
I don't think Marvel Wynne is still 15 or 16... just a guess.
 
Anelka with a beautiful pass to Drogba who slots it home. 1-0 Chelsea. These two work extremely well together. Anelka is very good with the ball and is very underrated playing the role of creator.
90 minutes of domination here - it will be interesting to see how Chelsea look against the top 4 - but right now they look really really good - fantastic ball movement and without Deco and Joe Cole.
Starting 11 they're as good as anyone. And they have better depth than the other 3.Calling it early. Chelsea takes the EPL this year.
:moneybag: Outside of Ronaldo, Ferdinand and Vidic, United didn't show me much last year... not a fan of what I've seen on the field this year. Liverpool just got beat by AV... they're looking really gappy through the MF- Lucas = meh. Arsenal... gotta love what they've done so far, and I've always liked the product Wenger puts on the field, but I don't see this team having the depth to sustain a full year of EPL and cup games without slipping majorly. Chelsea kinda wins by omission- although I do like their squad. Christo nails it with the "better depth" comment. They may not match the quality of the other teams' top players, but more than make up for it with the rest of the team.

 
Didnt see this anywhere - Joleon Lescott moving to City from Everton for £24 million. Thats a lot of cash.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009...-medical-report
yeah, I've been following and posting on this saga all summer long.This is really an interesting story, and perhaps the new way soccer is going to run in England. Everton is not a big money club and Lescott is a good player. A big money club comes along and dangles a salary double what a small money club is paying. Small money club refuses to let him leave, but player refuses to stay. Opening game in Everton was a huge public cry for Lescott to stay. Lescott refused to train with club. Can you really blame him? Kind of a bad deal all around really.
City has spent an astronomical sum of money this offseasonTevez

Abedayor

Barry

Santa Cruz

Lescott

Just astounding.
I like all of those guys, but I'd put them in more of a "role player" category than "game-changers". That's a lot of money to drop on an, albeit very solid, group of role-players.edit- a VERY solid group of players... role-player might be a bit harsh.

 
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FWIW- there was an article on ESPN.com a year or so ago about a kid in our youth system... the son of former pro- who was looking like the next "guy"- wish I could remember his name. I caught him play v Brasil for the u15s (maybe?) on TV- tallish, quick and fast and very attack minded. Seemed to have caught the attention of Brasil- they consistently collapsed 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever he got near the ball and he still tried to attack them with ball at feet.

Anybody know this kid's name? I watched part of that game and immediately started thinking about LD and Adu as youth players when I watched him.
I am drawing a blank.Here is the current U17 and U15 player pools in case it rings any bells

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Und...layer-Pool.aspx
Not sure if it's the kid you're talking about, but I've heard great, great, things about Jack McInerney. I don't remember where, though.
I think it might be Stefan Jerome... but I remember this ESPN article being different, so it might be another kid.
 
I kinda followed the last couple of games of the WPS (is that right?) because the NJ (localish) team fought against the odds (3rd coach this season, terrible record) to reach the finals against Martha, Boxx and the LA team.

Women's soccer... it's tough to watch for me. SOOOOOO slow. But that opens the game up to watch some of the tactics play out a little more clearly at least. Some real quality stuff in the 40 minutes of the championship game, even though or maybe especially because LA was down a player on what looked like a soft red in the first half. Martha is amazing. Boxx- solid (what a name).

After the season/entire-existence my RedBullStars have had, it's the slightest relief to see at least one area team come up with a championship.

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MLS...

I've been really busy and computerless lately, so it's been tough to watch games or check in here. For some reason, I've caught a bunch of MLS lately- mostly DC- and I've been semi-impressed. I'm still annoyed at the US players' complete lack of ability to hold the ball, which changes the game into a 2 touch sprint-athon, but I've seen some quality - ie: England's Championship- play from DC, Houston, Columbus, Chivas, LA, Chicago.

If work can pick up for me in a substantial way, I'm going to try and get partial season tickets for the MetroBulls next year. The stadium looks frigging sweet (I've caught it from the nearby train-station couple of times) and it's pretty much a subway ride away. Too bad the local product is SO incredibly poor.

Andy or anybody- what gives with my team? How can they be so bad for so long? It's hard for me to even watch them any more... seems like every time a player finds a niche on the team, ie Van denBergh last year, they get rid of him. I've seen no MF from them at all this year, despite having a pretty great player in Richards in there. The D... woof. Poor Angel is stuck without a team-mate of any worth. Even the GK play has been bad. Somebody... what's it going to take to get NY good? MLS really needs a good, or at least competitive NY team.

 
Anelka with a beautiful pass to Drogba who slots it home. 1-0 Chelsea. These two work extremely well together. Anelka is very good with the ball and is very underrated playing the role of creator.
90 minutes of domination here - it will be interesting to see how Chelsea look against the top 4 - but right now they look really really good - fantastic ball movement and without Deco and Joe Cole.
Starting 11 they're as good as anyone. And they have better depth than the other 3.Calling it early. Chelsea takes the EPL this year.
:goodposting: Outside of Ronaldo, Ferdinand and Vidic, United didn't show me much last year... not a fan of what I've seen on the field this year. Liverpool just got beat by AV... they're looking really gappy through the MF- Lucas = meh. Arsenal... gotta love what they've done so far, and I've always liked the product Wenger puts on the field, but I don't see this team having the depth to sustain a full year of EPL and cup games without slipping majorly. Chelsea kinda wins by omission- although I do like their squad. Christo nails it with the "better depth" comment. They may not match the quality of the other teams' top players, but more than make up for it with the rest of the team.
:) :lol: :lol:o.k.

Now, I'm not going to argue that Chelsea may not have a better side this year....BUT, first of all it's been 2-3 games. Second of all, Manchester United has been without Vidic and VanderSar so far this year.

Now, back to the bolded, last year United boasted 6 of the starting 11 first team premiership players (the three you mentioned above, along with Patrice Evra, Edwin Van der Sar and Ryan Giggs).

AND throughout this conversation I have failed to mention the amazing Wayne Rooney (who battled injuries at the beginning of last year).

If United didn't show you much last year, you weren't watching the record setting clean sheet run. United may not have the overwhelming attack and offensive flow of some teams (as witnessed in the CL final vs Barcelona), but they have a tremendous defense and are very tough to beat.

 
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Anelka with a beautiful pass to Drogba who slots it home. 1-0 Chelsea. These two work extremely well together. Anelka is very good with the ball and is very underrated playing the role of creator.
90 minutes of domination here - it will be interesting to see how Chelsea look against the top 4 - but right now they look really really good - fantastic ball movement and without Deco and Joe Cole.
Starting 11 they're as good as anyone. And they have better depth than the other 3.Calling it early. Chelsea takes the EPL this year.
:lmao: Outside of Ronaldo, Ferdinand and Vidic, United didn't show me much last year... not a fan of what I've seen on the field this year. Liverpool just got beat by AV... they're looking really gappy through the MF- Lucas = meh. Arsenal... gotta love what they've done so far, and I've always liked the product Wenger puts on the field, but I don't see this team having the depth to sustain a full year of EPL and cup games without slipping majorly. Chelsea kinda wins by omission- although I do like their squad. Christo nails it with the "better depth" comment. They may not match the quality of the other teams' top players, but more than make up for it with the rest of the team.
:lol: :lol: :lol: o.k.

Now, I'm not going to argue that Chelsea may not have a better side this year....BUT, first of all it's been 2-3 games. Second of all, Manchester United has been without Vidic and VanderSar so far this year.

Now, back to the bolded, last year United boasted 6 of the starting 11 first team premiership players (the three you mentioned above, along with Patrice Evra, Edwin Van der Sar and Ryan Giggs).

AND throughout this conversation I have failed to mention the amazing Wayne Rooney (who battled injuries at the beginning of last year).

If United didn't show you much last year, you weren't watching the record setting clean sheet run. United may not have the overwhelming attack and offensive flow of some teams (as witnessed in the CL final vs Barcelona), but they have a tremendous defense and are very tough to beat.
Chelsea came out of the blocks like gangbusters last year and looked better than I have ever seen them play, but by December everyone had figured out Scolari's tactics and they were effectively out of contention by the time Hiddink took over. I think it remains to be seen how well Ancelotti's new formation holds up - particularly against a quality opponent and good manager after everyone has had a good look at it. Also, while the EPL is always a primary goal, I think Abramovich brought Ancelotti on for one reason - to add a Champions League cup to his trophy case. I think that might become more apparent as the season plays out.
 
When Drogba has his head out of his ####, he is the best striker in the EPL.....maybe the World. He is a lot of fun to watch, hopefully he goes mental again real soon.
He's easily in the top 5 in terms of talent IMO. A claim can be made for top 3 probably. Hard to say who is the BEST in the world.
I was just thinking about this as I watched Eto'o's Inter play against Bari today. In terms of pure strikers, I'd take Ibrahimavic.
I'm looking forward to seeing Ibrahimovic play now that he is in la Liga, which should be more accessible on US television. Obviously he was very impressive last season for Inter, but I never saw a single game. My recollection is that he has always been a bit of a let down for Sweden, although I remember one goal he scored against Spain in Euro '08. It seems Serie A has declined in recent years and is continuing that trend this season, so it will be interesting to see how he fairs in La Liga and in the CL.
 
Chelsea came out of the blocks like gangbusters last year and looked better than I have ever seen them play, but by December everyone had figured out Scolari's tactics and they were effectively out of contention by the time Hiddink took over. I think it remains to be seen how well Ancelotti's new formation holds up - particularly against a quality opponent and good manager after everyone has had a good look at it. Also, while the EPL is always a primary goal, I think Abramovich brought Ancelotti on for one reason - to add a Champions League cup to his trophy case. I think that might become more apparent as the season plays out.
And Chelsea seems to the top team most likely to be hurt by the African Nations Cup. Drogba, Mikel, and Essien all play for top African sides that should not only qualify, but at least advance to the quarterfinals. Chelsea has great depth among attacking midfielders and in central defense, but I'm not sure they're that deep at striker or holding midfielder, which is where those absences will be felt. If Ballack were to get hurt while Essien and Mikel are away, it's hard to guess who the holding mid would be. Maybe Sturridge is ready for prime time, or maybe Sheva still has a bit in the tank, but I'm not sold on a replacement for Drogba. If Chelsea then play a five man midfield leaving Anelka alone, you never know if he might morph back into Le Sulk.Chelsea looks great right now (although let's remember they got a bit lucky to beat Hull in the first game of the season), but I'd like to see how they do when Drogba isn't in white hot form. I do agree that it's been very gratifying seeing Anelka and Drogba play so well together. I think Man U is the favorite until they give me reason to believe otherwise.
 
o.k.Now, I'm not going to argue that Chelsea may not have a better side this year....BUT, first of all it's been 2-3 games. Second of all, Manchester United has been without Vidic and VanderSar so far this year.Now, back to the bolded, last year United boasted 6 of the starting 11 first team premiership players (the three you mentioned above, along with Patrice Evra, Edwin Van der Sar and Ryan Giggs). AND throughout this conversation I have failed to mention the amazing Wayne Rooney (who battled injuries at the beginning of last year).If United didn't show you much last year, you weren't watching the record setting clean sheet run. United may not have the overwhelming attack and offensive flow of some teams (as witnessed in the CL final vs Barcelona), but they have a tremendous defense and are very tough to beat.
Good stuff- big fan of Giggs (he was great last year) and Evra, both of whom I forgot about when writing that. I like Rooney too (hard not to). Not saying they weren't a good side last year- just that I was pretty uniformly underwhelmed by them, especially the MF. I thought Chelsea, let alone Liverpool or Arsenal, were consistently a better playing side (more appealing to me, an ex-MFer) last year, but failed to get the results. Full credit to United on the year, but again- they didn't show me much in terms of supposedly being one of the world's best.
 
Chelsea came out of the blocks like gangbusters last year and looked better than I have ever seen them play, but by December everyone had figured out Scolari's tactics and they were effectively out of contention by the time Hiddink took over. I think it remains to be seen how well Ancelotti's new formation holds up - particularly against a quality opponent and good manager after everyone has had a good look at it. Also, while the EPL is always a primary goal, I think Abramovich brought Ancelotti on for one reason - to add a Champions League cup to his trophy case. I think that might become more apparent as the season plays out.
And Chelsea seems to the top team most likely to be hurt by the African Nations Cup. Drogba, Mikel, and Essien all play for top African sides that should not only qualify, but at least advance to the quarterfinals. Chelsea has great depth among attacking midfielders and in central defense, but I'm not sure they're that deep at striker or holding midfielder, which is where those absences will be felt. If Ballack were to get hurt while Essien and Mikel are away, it's hard to guess who the holding mid would be. Maybe Sturridge is ready for prime time, or maybe Sheva still has a bit in the tank, but I'm not sold on a replacement for Drogba. If Chelsea then play a five man midfield leaving Anelka alone, you never know if he might morph back into Le Sulk.Chelsea looks great right now (although let's remember they got a bit lucky to beat Hull in the first game of the season), but I'd like to see how they do when Drogba isn't in white hot form. I do agree that it's been very gratifying seeing Anelka and Drogba play so well together. I think Man U is the favorite until they give me reason to believe otherwise.
yes - the damn ANC will hurt Chelsea again this year, particularly if Ivory Coast goes deep in the tournament they will miss two forwards in Drogba and Kalou. Due to the third place game, any team that makes the semi's means those players are unavailable to thier club for about a month. The fact that they hold this in a world cup year puts a tremendous strain on these players and their clubs.
 
The ANC is done at such a poor time.

Also, City signed Sylvinho today. Hopefully he can be useful for them. He deserves to go somewhere that he can still contribute.

 
Andy or anybody- what gives with my team? How can they be so bad for so long? It's hard for me to even watch them any more... seems like every time a player finds a niche on the team, ie Van denBergh last year, they get rid of him. I've seen no MF from them at all this year, despite having a pretty great player in Richards in there. The D... woof. Poor Angel is stuck without a team-mate of any worth. Even the GK play has been bad. Somebody... what's it going to take to get NY good? MLS really needs a good, or at least competitive NY team.
For 14 seasons MLS has needed a strong team in NY and for 14 seasons, the MetroBulls have disappointed.There are multiple rumors flying right now about the franchise, ranging from the believable (a complete sweep of the organization from Agoos on down), to the unbelievable Red Bull Looking to Sell Team to FC Barcelona

What ever they are doing, they literally could not find a worse way to be stepping into their gorgeous new stadium.

 
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Andy or anybody- what gives with my team? How can they be so bad for so long? It's hard for me to even watch them any more... seems like every time a player finds a niche on the team, ie Van denBergh last year, they get rid of him. I've seen no MF from them at all this year, despite having a pretty great player in Richards in there. The D... woof. Poor Angel is stuck without a team-mate of any worth. Even the GK play has been bad. Somebody... what's it going to take to get NY good? MLS really needs a good, or at least competitive NY team.
For 14 seasons MLS has needed a strong team in NY and for 14 seasons, the MetroBulls have disappointed.There are multiple rumors flying right now about the franchise, ranging from the believable (a complete sweep of the organization from Agoos on down), to the unbelievable Red Bull Looking to Sell Team to FC Barcelona

What ever they are doing, they literally could not find a worse way to be stepping into their gorgeous new stadium.
That team is a disaster. Hopefully they get things straighten out for the new stadium (it really looks impresive from the train going to Newark...the shape soft of looks like the Bird's Nest in Beijing)...sadly I have my doubts. At this point, I'd welcome my new Barcelona overlords.
 
Good match going on between West Ham/Millwall right now in Carling Cup play.

Not much love lose between these two teams and it's shown. It's in overtime now.....crazy game

 
Apparently the match has now been suspended.
still going onWhen West Ham went ahead on the PK, fans stormed the field, riot police.Fans are going NUTS in the stands. The Millwall fans are chanting in reference to the guy for West Ham that was stabbed earlier this week, I don't recall his name and can't understand the chants. Going to be a long night in East London....
 
And my colchoneros are into the CL group phase!!!!

Nice job in taking down Pana, boys!

The other big team to make it through today was Olympic Lyon, who blasted Anderlecht 8-1 on aggregate. They'll do some damage in the group phase.

The other 3 teams to make it through to group are: Debreceni, Zürich, and Mac. Haifa. Fiorentina / Sporting Portugal is the game to watch tomorrow. Arsenal is a gimme as are Olympiakos and Stuttgart.

Can't wait to see the draw. Obviously no team wants to draw Arsenal or Atlético in their group. I hope that my boys get to play against Liverpool again. That was fun last time.

 

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