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NewlyRetired said:
Eephus said:
El Floppo said:
So looking over those CL scores... Aris playing reminded me of EJ and Adu. Where the #### is Adu these days?
somewhere there's a bench
a bench would be fantastic for Adu. From what I have been seeing, he does not even rate the bench these days almost never making the 18 man squad. :goodposting:The kid is only 21, if he is to turn around his career he has to get out of Europe, it is just not working.
As bizarre as Adu's situation is, I am even more concerned and surprised by the plights of Jay DeMerit and Benny Feilhaber. DeMerit played almost every minute of every game in the world cup and I think did pretty well for himself (with a few blunders of course), and can't get a contract anywhere it seems. I've read he might end up in Vancouver, which I think everyone would welcome at this point. Feilhaber meanwhile continues to play in in the Danish second division for crowds the same size as those at my son's under 7 league games.
 
Eephus said:
El Floppo said:
October 20, 2010, 1:31 pm Rooney Says His Ambitions Outpace Man United’s
Rooney and his handlers are smartly aligning him with the anti-Glazer contingent. It could mean a difference of millions in endorsement money if he can come out of this with his reputation (or at least what's left of it) intact.
Wish I could find SAF's quote from his press conference....It went something like "Man U is in terrific shape, great players, great executive, great staff, great manager" Pretty much telling Rooney to #### off. He also said something to the effect that his 30 trophies are pretty telling of his abilities to measure player skills.Rooney is definitely out - I doubt he's aligning himself with anti-Glazer side, not much really to help out his public image anymore.
 
Bundesliga: Best League in the World?

A pretty long article, here is a snipped version:

The Germans, to borrow a cliché, aren't so much known for being unpredictable. The country's soccer has never been confused for being high on octane, scoring and entertainment. But all bets are off in Europe's healthiest soccer league.

...

While the English Premier League is seen as the gold standard, a scenario is unfolding in which the Bundesliga could surpass the EPL to become the world's most popular and successful soccer league. If that sounds like a stretch, consider that the Bundesliga is already the best-attended league and arguably the most exciting one, too.

German soccer is leading the way on another front as well. Most European soccer clubs are struggling with massive debt. The 20 English Premier League clubs have a combined debt that has spiraled to $4.45 billion. In La Liga, last year's 20 teams rang up $4.65 billion in debt. (For more on the European debt crisis in football, click here.) Contrast that with Germany, where the country's 36 pro teams are (wait for it) actually making money. Or at least not finding themselves under the weight of crushing debt.

"The Bundesliga is being held up as a model of financial virtue and good governance," said Simon Chadwick, a sports economist from the University of Coventry in England.

In Germany, you don't read stories about big-money buyouts and hostile takeovers by wealthy foreign investors. There's no talk of teams going bust. And there's a simple reason why.

Clubs aren't allowed to behave like irresponsible teenagers with their parents' credit cards at their disposal.

50+1=Smart Business

...

Honoring the German federation's 50+1 rule, Bundesliga clubs all have the same majority owner -- their fans, who maintain control of 50 percent of shares plus one. There are a few exceptions, such as Wolfsburg, which is owned by Volkswagen, which, of course, is based in the same city as the team. Ditto Bayer Leverkusen, which is owned by Bayer pharmaceuticals. But in both cases, ownership is still community-based.

The 50+1 rule means that German soccer avoids the economic instability that comes from deep-pocketed entrepreneurs swooping in to purchase a club. Such arrangements go sour at least as often as they work out (see: Newcastle United, Portsmouth FC and Liverpool FC, to name just three).

"What you're not getting is entrepreneurs buying up clubs and amassing massive debt and then leaving the club behind in difficulty," said Chadwick.

...

German soccer is guided by a 200-page rulebook with precise stipulations on liquidity and debt, among many other things. Perhaps the most important rule: Clubs must demonstrate that they expect to at least break even or they are denied a license to practice professional soccer. Imagine if EPL or La Liga teams were held to the same standard?

...

Clubs that don't make good on their financial projections are fined and docked points. This happened to Arminia Bielefeld last year. The German soccer federation also reserves the right to order an additional audit by a third party if the numbers aren't adding up.

Overall, though, the numbers are encouraging. Of the 36 clubs across the Bundesliga and second-tier Bundesliga 2, just three are thought to be in the red. Schalke 04 is said to owe about 300 million euros, while Borussia Dortmund is in the hole by an estimated 70 million euros. Hertha BSC has some 60 million euros in debts.

...

It's all about the fans

The Bundesliga's sound financial footing means that wealth is fairly evenly distributed. No one team can grossly outspend another. The net result: Relative parity rules the league. Although Bayern Munich has won the title five times in the past decade, four other teams have won it, too, and the domestic cup competition, the DFB-Pokal, has had 11 different finalists over that span.

"We need to stay entertaining," said Seifert. "We think that the more entertaining and unpredictable the competition is, the more it will excite the fans." While the merits of parity are debatable, its effects seem to encourage ticket sales in Germany. The Bundesliga has set attendance records for seven years in a row.

It's good to be a footy fan in Germany. Not only do you get competitive matches, you don't have to put a major dent in your wallet to support your favorite team. Because fans have a controlling ownership of their clubs, they can keep ticket prices affordable -- about $28 on average, roughly the same as an MLS ticket and less than half of admission to an EPL game.

...

So it should come as no surprise that attendance in Germany is the highest in Europe. During the 2008-2009 season, an average of 41,900 spectators came to every Bundesliga game, outdrawing the English Premier League (35,600), the Spanish Primera Division (28,500), the Italian Serie A (25,300) and the French Ligue 1 (21,000).

And it's not the prawn sandwich brigade, either. Bundesliga matches are festive occasions for "real fans," as they say, drawn from a much larger socioeconomic demographic than other leagues.

Some dismiss the attendance boom as a result of Germany having hosted the World Cup in 2006. "It's almost always a major boost to the domestic league," said English sports economist Stefan Szymanski. "You primp up the stadiums and make them very attractive and you get people excited about football. But if [attendance] trails off after a few years you have to ask questions."

No one's asking those questions in Germany. By being fan-friendly and making soccer accessible, the Bundesliga has become the world's most profitable league. Although it doesn't yet gross more than the EPL, which took $3.14 billion in revenue in 2008-2009 to the Bundesliga's $2.18 billion, the Bundesliga's $225 million profit eclipsed the Premier League's $125 million.

...

"If the Bundesliga were to remove the capital restraints that it imposes on the clubs and would allow investors to come in, it would become the dominant league in Europe," said Szymanski. "The reason it isn't the largest league, in spite of having the largest and wealthiest population that is fanatical about football, is that they are restrained by the rules they impose on themselves. There's definitely a penalty in limiting your financial opportunities in the way that they do."

Seifert doesn't buy into the theory. "If you eliminated the 50+1 rule, it would lead to an unfair competition because every year one or two clubs would come out ahead of the league," he said. "It would be great for the fans of those clubs but bad for the competition. It's more important to find investors to keep the league exciting and unpredictable."

But the Bundesliga CEO doesn't enjoy the support of all the clubs. In November 2009, Hanover president Martin Kind moved to abolish 50+1 or any other caveats to ownership. He argued that it would be the only way the league could keep up with the big-spending clubs in England, Spain and Italy. To his point, last season was the first time in eight years that a German club (Bayern Munich) reached the Champions League final. In that span, an English team had made it there six times, an Italian team four times and a Spanish team twice.

But while regaining a leading role in European competitions is attractive, maintaining a clean bill of financial health was even more appealing to the majority of German clubs. When Kind's motion was put to the vote, 32 of the 36 clubs rejected it.
 
Some SAF quotes:

Man United boss Sir Alex Ferguson: "I haven't read Wayne Rooney's statement, but we'll have a view on it tomorrow and probably put it to bed tomorrow. As I said, the door is open. We keep good players, particularly when they are that young. He wants assurances? Have I won 30 trophies or what?!"

"We have a good structure, right staff, right manager, brilliant chief exec. Not a single thing wrong at Man United. Goodnight"

Still think it's a mistake letting him go :hophead:

 
And Atlético show their Europa Cup prowess with a demolition of Rosenborg.

El Kun finally got a game, and scored. Perea went off injured... I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a curse.

 
Bundesliga: Best League in the World?

A pretty long article, here is a snipped version:

The Germans, to borrow a cliché, aren't so much known for being unpredictable. The country's soccer has never been confused for being high on octane, scoring and entertainment. But all bets are off in Europe's healthiest soccer league.

...

While the English Premier League is seen as the gold standard, a scenario is unfolding in which the Bundesliga could surpass the EPL to become the world's most popular and successful soccer league. If that sounds like a stretch, consider that the Bundesliga is already the best-attended league and arguably the most exciting one, too.

German soccer is leading the way on another front as well. Most European soccer clubs are struggling with massive debt. The 20 English Premier League clubs have a combined debt that has spiraled to $4.45 billion. In La Liga, last year's 20 teams rang up $4.65 billion in debt. (For more on the European debt crisis in football, click here.) Contrast that with Germany, where the country's 36 pro teams are (wait for it) actually making money. Or at least not finding themselves under the weight of crushing debt.

"The Bundesliga is being held up as a model of financial virtue and good governance," said Simon Chadwick, a sports economist from the University of Coventry in England.

In Germany, you don't read stories about big-money buyouts and hostile takeovers by wealthy foreign investors. There's no talk of teams going bust. And there's a simple reason why.

Clubs aren't allowed to behave like irresponsible teenagers with their parents' credit cards at their disposal.

50+1=Smart Business

...

Honoring the German federation's 50+1 rule, Bundesliga clubs all have the same majority owner -- their fans, who maintain control of 50 percent of shares plus one. There are a few exceptions, such as Wolfsburg, which is owned by Volkswagen, which, of course, is based in the same city as the team. Ditto Bayer Leverkusen, which is owned by Bayer pharmaceuticals. But in both cases, ownership is still community-based.

The 50+1 rule means that German soccer avoids the economic instability that comes from deep-pocketed entrepreneurs swooping in to purchase a club. Such arrangements go sour at least as often as they work out (see: Newcastle United, Portsmouth FC and Liverpool FC, to name just three).

"What you're not getting is entrepreneurs buying up clubs and amassing massive debt and then leaving the club behind in difficulty," said Chadwick.

...

German soccer is guided by a 200-page rulebook with precise stipulations on liquidity and debt, among many other things. Perhaps the most important rule: Clubs must demonstrate that they expect to at least break even or they are denied a license to practice professional soccer. Imagine if EPL or La Liga teams were held to the same standard?

...

Clubs that don't make good on their financial projections are fined and docked points. This happened to Arminia Bielefeld last year. The German soccer federation also reserves the right to order an additional audit by a third party if the numbers aren't adding up.

Overall, though, the numbers are encouraging. Of the 36 clubs across the Bundesliga and second-tier Bundesliga 2, just three are thought to be in the red. Schalke 04 is said to owe about 300 million euros, while Borussia Dortmund is in the hole by an estimated 70 million euros. Hertha BSC has some 60 million euros in debts.

...

It's all about the fans

The Bundesliga's sound financial footing means that wealth is fairly evenly distributed. No one team can grossly outspend another. The net result: Relative parity rules the league. Although Bayern Munich has won the title five times in the past decade, four other teams have won it, too, and the domestic cup competition, the DFB-Pokal, has had 11 different finalists over that span.

"We need to stay entertaining," said Seifert. "We think that the more entertaining and unpredictable the competition is, the more it will excite the fans." While the merits of parity are debatable, its effects seem to encourage ticket sales in Germany. The Bundesliga has set attendance records for seven years in a row.

It's good to be a footy fan in Germany. Not only do you get competitive matches, you don't have to put a major dent in your wallet to support your favorite team. Because fans have a controlling ownership of their clubs, they can keep ticket prices affordable -- about $28 on average, roughly the same as an MLS ticket and less than half of admission to an EPL game.

...

So it should come as no surprise that attendance in Germany is the highest in Europe. During the 2008-2009 season, an average of 41,900 spectators came to every Bundesliga game, outdrawing the English Premier League (35,600), the Spanish Primera Division (28,500), the Italian Serie A (25,300) and the French Ligue 1 (21,000).

And it's not the prawn sandwich brigade, either. Bundesliga matches are festive occasions for "real fans," as they say, drawn from a much larger socioeconomic demographic than other leagues.

Some dismiss the attendance boom as a result of Germany having hosted the World Cup in 2006. "It's almost always a major boost to the domestic league," said English sports economist Stefan Szymanski. "You primp up the stadiums and make them very attractive and you get people excited about football. But if [attendance] trails off after a few years you have to ask questions."

No one's asking those questions in Germany. By being fan-friendly and making soccer accessible, the Bundesliga has become the world's most profitable league. Although it doesn't yet gross more than the EPL, which took $3.14 billion in revenue in 2008-2009 to the Bundesliga's $2.18 billion, the Bundesliga's $225 million profit eclipsed the Premier League's $125 million.

...

"If the Bundesliga were to remove the capital restraints that it imposes on the clubs and would allow investors to come in, it would become the dominant league in Europe," said Szymanski. "The reason it isn't the largest league, in spite of having the largest and wealthiest population that is fanatical about football, is that they are restrained by the rules they impose on themselves. There's definitely a penalty in limiting your financial opportunities in the way that they do."

Seifert doesn't buy into the theory. "If you eliminated the 50+1 rule, it would lead to an unfair competition because every year one or two clubs would come out ahead of the league," he said. "It would be great for the fans of those clubs but bad for the competition. It's more important to find investors to keep the league exciting and unpredictable."

But the Bundesliga CEO doesn't enjoy the support of all the clubs. In November 2009, Hanover president Martin Kind moved to abolish 50+1 or any other caveats to ownership. He argued that it would be the only way the league could keep up with the big-spending clubs in England, Spain and Italy. To his point, last season was the first time in eight years that a German club (Bayern Munich) reached the Champions League final. In that span, an English team had made it there six times, an Italian team four times and a Spanish team twice.

But while regaining a leading role in European competitions is attractive, maintaining a clean bill of financial health was even more appealing to the majority of German clubs. When Kind's motion was put to the vote, 32 of the 36 clubs rejected it.
:lmao: interesting read.

 
But where does he go!? Can't believe rumors aren't flying yet. Would Man U sell him within the EPL? Would Rooney want to stay in the EPL and go to a rival team? I would think it would be best for him to leave the EPL and maintain his fanbase there. No way he goes to a non Champions League staple. Real already has too many Fowards don't they? I'd love him at Barca, but not sure they can afford him. Not enough room at Milan. Inter? Bayern?

 
El Floppo said:
NewlyRetired said:
El Floppo said:
Eephus said:
El Floppo said:
So looking over those CL scores... Aris playing reminded me of EJ and Adu.

Where the #### is Adu these days?
somewhere there's a bench
doghouse
as we all know, this is a dog house that Adu seems to carry on his back like a turtle. Doesn't matter the coach, the country or the league, he always finds a way to piss off his coaches.
but seriously- does he even have a team right now?
I see that he's still with Aris, just not dressing. :confetti:
 
The Bundesliga model makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the rules had to exist almost from the start. There's no obvious path to get from the crazy systems of England, Spain and Italy to something like the Bundesliga. In retrospect, Germany had a number of advantages. The Bundesliga didn't start until the 60s and they had a chance to retool a bit after the unification of East and West Germany. They have a large pool of domestic players to choose from. I also believe they do a better job of television revenue sharing so the rich teams aren't given such a huge advantage.

Aside from the public ownership, the MLS shares some of the organizational advantages with the Bundesliga. I doubt it'll have the same degree of success but it'll hopefully prevent some of the massive financial failures like in other countries.

 
But where does he go!? Can't believe rumors aren't flying yet. Would Man U sell him within the EPL? Would Rooney want to stay in the EPL and go to a rival team? I would think it would be best for him to leave the EPL and maintain his fanbase there. No way he goes to a non Champions League staple. Real already has too many Fowards don't they? I'd love him at Barca, but not sure they can afford him. Not enough room at Milan. Inter? Bayern?
Well, options are limited, as not too many teams can really afford him.Real would make a good deal of sense, but Mourinho has already stated he doesn't know who he would sit for Rooney to play. They would certainly need to move a player or two first also.Inter would be an option, but with Eto'o and Milito in the fold, again where would he play.Juventus could use him but I doubt they could come up with the money.I can't really tell if any EPL team could afford him use him, outside of Man City (already said no thanks), Liverpool (until ownership issues are settled, they can't bring him in) and...if this ####### happened, I'd have to kill someone, but Chelsea makes a lot of sense. Anelka is 32 and not getting any younger. Drogba is also 32, and while he doesn't show any signs of letting down, Chelsea is a bit green up front. They moved out a lot of money in the offseason and failed to bring in any major names outside of maybe Ramires. Bayern makes sense too I suppose. I really have no idea, I just hope United gets something great in return :excited:
 
But where does he go!? Can't believe rumors aren't flying yet. Would Man U sell him within the EPL? Would Rooney want to stay in the EPL and go to a rival team? I would think it would be best for him to leave the EPL and maintain his fanbase there. No way he goes to a non Champions League staple. Real already has too many Fowards don't they? I'd love him at Barca, but not sure they can afford him. Not enough room at Milan. Inter? Bayern?
Well, options are limited, as not too many teams can really afford him.Real would make a good deal of sense, but Mourinho has already stated he doesn't know who he would sit for Rooney to play. They would certainly need to move a player or two first also.Inter would be an option, but with Eto'o and Milito in the fold, again where would he play.Juventus could use him but I doubt they could come up with the money.I can't really tell if any EPL team could afford him use him, outside of Man City (already said no thanks), Liverpool (until ownership issues are settled, they can't bring him in) and...if this ####### happened, I'd have to kill someone, but Chelsea makes a lot of sense. Anelka is 32 and not getting any younger. Drogba is also 32, and while he doesn't show any signs of letting down, Chelsea is a bit green up front. They moved out a lot of money in the offseason and failed to bring in any major names outside of maybe Ramires. Bayern makes sense too I suppose. I really have no idea, I just hope United gets something great in return :cry:
I dont' think City said no- at least not from the article I read. More of a "let's not talk about that until we need to talk about that"City or Bayern Munich, IMO.
 
I dont' think City said no- at least not from the article I read. More of a "let's not talk about that until we need to talk about that"

City or Bayern Munich, IMO.
Basically every single manager asked has said he's at United and under contract and I have nothing to say about it. Obviously City are interested. Everyone is interested. It's about the money and that's one thing City doesn't worry about. I saw Sky had the betting odds and it ranked something like1. City

2. Madrid

3. Barcelona

4. Chelsea

.

.

.

10. Everton :pickle:

Edit: and today's Guardian seems to suggest at least some in Manchester expect him to move to Eastlands. Or else they are just random hooded mobs roaming the streets. It's hard to tell when it comes to Manchester.

 
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I dont' think City said no- at least not from the article I read. More of a "let's not talk about that until we need to talk about that"City or Bayern Munich, IMO.
Basically every single manager asked has said he's at United and under contract and I have nothing to say about it. Obviously City are interested. Everyone is interested. It's about the money and that's one thing City doesn't worry about. I saw Sky had the betting odds and it ranked something like1. City2. Madrid3. Barcelona4. Chelsea..10. Everton :pickle:
The public falling out makes it a buyer's market for teams trying to lowball MUFC. I wouldn't be surprised to see this play out right up to the deadline. Of course, one or two injuries could change the entire landscape.
 
But where does he go!? Can't believe rumors aren't flying yet. Would Man U sell him within the EPL? Would Rooney want to stay in the EPL and go to a rival team? I would think it would be best for him to leave the EPL and maintain his fanbase there. No way he goes to a non Champions League staple. Real already has too many Fowards don't they? I'd love him at Barca, but not sure they can afford him. Not enough room at Milan. Inter? Bayern?
Dont underestimate the power of the player to get to where they want in the current system. Especially players of Rooney's standing.If word out of OT is to be believed he'll be going wherever he gets the most money, plain and simple (this might be Utd propaganda being leaked but fits in with the chronology of events). Seems most likely that'll be City, hope that works out for him... I'm a United fan my whole life, and frankly dont care. Looking back he did exactly the same to his hometown team (and the one he supported growing up), so this is no surprise. Kudos to Fergie for how he's handled it. Sure it's probably 99% spin, but it's spin that makes a fan feel good about the future of the club, and thats what following a team is about imo.
 
The Bundesliga model makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the rules had to exist almost from the start. There's no obvious path to get from the crazy systems of England, Spain and Italy to something like the Bundesliga. In retrospect, Germany had a number of advantages. The Bundesliga didn't start until the 60s and they had a chance to retool a bit after the unification of East and West Germany. They have a large pool of domestic players to choose from. I also believe they do a better job of television revenue sharing so the rich teams aren't given such a huge advantage. Aside from the public ownership, the MLS shares some of the organizational advantages with the Bundesliga. I doubt it'll have the same degree of success but it'll hopefully prevent some of the massive financial failures like in other countries.
They also scout Eastern Europe extremely well (in general) and bring them in before England, Spain, and to some extant Italy would. Those guys tend to be undervalued compared to Spanish, French, English, or Dutch guys (and Brazilians). While the top of the EPL, La Liga, or Serie A fight for those guys, the Germans can add lots of depth fairly cheaply.
 
Welcome Back, Wayne, Welcome Back

Manchester United says Wayne Rooney has agreed to a new five-year contract, keeping him with the Premier League club until June 2015.

After holding talks with United, Rooney says he is "delighted to sign another deal at United ... I've talked to the manager and the owners and they've convinced me this is where I belong."
Link
 
Welcome Back, Wayne, Welcome Back

Manchester United says Wayne Rooney has agreed to a new five-year contract, keeping him with the Premier League club until June 2015.

After holding talks with United, Rooney says he is "delighted to sign another deal at United ... I've talked to the manager and the owners and they've convinced me this is where I belong."
Link
LOL, has anyone ever seen Wayne and Stevie G in the same room at the same time?I think Wayne might have a little work to do before he's welcomed back with open arms..

Personally, I'd turn around and sell him to Liverpool.

 
Rooney: "In the last couple of days, I’ve talked to the manager and the owners and they’ve convinced me this is where I belong"

"The fans have been brilliant with me since I arrived and it’s up to me through my performances to win them over again"

Fergie: “Sometimes, when you’re in a club, it can be hard to realise just how big it is. I think Wayne now understands."

:confused: someone was angle shooting. guess it was fergie.

 
Least shocking resolution ever.

I actually doubt it was all that successful from Wayne. I imagine they sat him in a room and said, "Barcelona can't afford you, Man U can't sign you without violating the Fair Play rules, Real won't play you ahead of Ronaldo and Higuain. Where are you going to go?"

 
It just goes to show again that the business of soccer is crazier than any American sport
Truly bizarre how that played out in the press. It's strange that questions about who got the better of who in the negotiations have gone unanswered. Where is Adam Schefter?
 
The more I look the Rooney thing over, the more I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't some negotiation tactic.

I think that dude is just out there. Guy is a freaking headcase.

 
btw- follow-up to a piece I linked when he got busted (same ref who worked the S Korea win over Italy in teh 02 WC). Loooooove the not guilty plea, especially after being busted with bags of heroin taped to his body. "What... these? Not mine."

Associated PressNEW YORK -- A former World Cup soccer referee arrested in New York City has pleaded not guilty to heroin-smuggling charges.Prosecutors allege Byron Moreno was caught in September at Kennedy Airport with bags of heroin attached to his body. He appeared Wednesday in Brooklyn court.Moreno made some controversial decisions in a 2002 second-round match in which South Korea eliminated Italy. Players and officials from Italy had long labeled some of his calls suspicious.Soccer's governing body, FIFA, has said Moreno's arrest appears to be "completely unrelated" to the sport.Moreno's next court date is Dec. 3.
 
please, god Blatter, do this.

Associated Press

NEWPORT, Wales -- Soccer's rule-making body agreed Wednesday to reopen discussions on the use of goal-line technology after referee mistakes at the World Cup helped eliminate two teams.

The International Football Association Board said it will test prototype systems and discuss the results at its March 4-6 meeting. After reviewing the 13 systems proposed so far, IFAB laid out the criteria the technology must meet for it to be considered.

"The indication of whether a goal has been scored must be immediate and automatically confirmed within one second," IFAB said.

IFAB is only considering technology to aid referees in deciding whether a ball has crossed the goal line and will not look at systems that rule on whether a ball has gone out of play elsewhere.

Only match officials will be able to receive the information, and IFAB said the system "must be accurate."

FIFA president Sepp Blatter reopened the debate on technology after mistakes at the recent World Cup in South Africa helped eliminate England and Mexico.
 
AFC Wimbledon beat Basingstoke to qualify for the first round draw of the FA Cup.

Tomorrow the 48 teams from leagues one and two go into the hopper with Wimbledon and the other 31 surviving non-League clubs. There's a 1 in 79 chance of drawing MK.

 
AFC Wimbledon beat Basingstoke to qualify for the first round draw of the FA Cup.Tomorrow the 48 teams from leagues one and two go into the hopper with Wimbledon and the other 31 surviving non-League clubs. There's a 1 in 79 chance of drawing MK.
:lmao: -QG
 
This would make for a pretty cool story if they can get this done.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_spor...s_possible.html

You may have seen the familiar smiling face on the cover of FourFourTwo magazine this month. Yes, Pele is celebrating his 70th birthday today, though he doesn’t look all that much different from his days with the Cosmos.

But the celebration of Pele’s birthday coincides with a soccer rebirth. The Cosmos are back and hoping to become the 20th franchise in Major League Soccer in 2013.

An ownership group led by Paul Kemsley, a former vice chairman for Tottenham Hotspur of the English Premier League, purchased the rights to the internationally-known Cosmos name with the intention of bringing professional soccer back to New York. Pele has been named as honorary president. MLS commissioner Don Garber hasn’t hidden the fact he wants a franchise in New York to be a rival for the Red Bulls. The early leaders for that expansion team are the Cosmos group and the Wilpon family, which also expressed interest and had meetings with MLS executives.

"The point I’d like to make is that this is a real priority for us," MLS president Mark Abbott said. "We really do want to have a second team in New York at the earliest opportunity. We don’t want that process to take any longer than it needs to."

Ultimately, the process will take as long as necessary to get an agreement to build a soccer-specific stadium. MLS officials are known to favor Queens as the franchise’s home, and it would make sense to build something in the Willets Point area, close to Citi Field. Cosmos director of soccer Terry Byrne said the club has the financing in place to build a stadium.

There is motivation for the MLS to bring the Cosmos into the fold. The name is iconic and is known around the country and the world. The Cosmos brand would be a positive because of the success the franchise enjoyed, both on the field and at the gate.

The Cosmos seemingly are ahead in the race to get established. The club has academies set up in New York and Los Angeles and boasts of having 2,000 youth players between the ages of 8 and 18 wearing the Cosmos logo. Former MetroStars forward Giovanni Savarese and defender Ted Chronopoulos are directors of the New York academy in Queens. The intention is to develop players into future professionals for the club.

"Our intent is to be the 20th team in MLS," Byrne said. "We’ve had several meetings with Mr. Garber and progressed very positively."

The club has plans for a celebration game next year to honor the 40th anniversary of the inception of the Cosmos.

The vision is to have Pele invite some of the best players in the world and intersperse them with players from the Cosmos academy.

As for the present, the Cosmos will hold a celebration for Pele’s birthday today at Planet Hollywood in Manhattan from noon to 5 o’clock. While Pele won’t be there for the party, fans can win autographed merchandise and a chance to meet him. A limited number of T-shirts and Cosmos fan balls will be given away.

 
One of the best stories in MLS this year has to be Chris Wondolowski.

Here is a player who scored a grand total of 4 goals in 4 previous seasons.

He just scored his 18th goal of the season last night and passed Buddle for the lead league and should factor in highly in the MVP race.

Not a young player unfortunately but with how few choices Bradley has up top, I think we can safely say that Wondo will get his chance at some point in the next year.

 
The Seattle Sounders broke the MLS attendance record for the second year in a row, this year raising the record by an enormous 6k and finishing over 36k per game on average.

That would make them second highest drawing team in France, the 3rd highest drawing in Italy and the 5th highest drawing in Spain.

It is an amazing story that no one is really picking up on. This is a friggan MLS team who does not have a big name player to draw fans.

 
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The Seattle Sounders broke the MLS attendance record for the second year in a row, this year raising the record by an enormous 6k and finishing over 36k per game on average.That would make them second highest drawing team in France, the 3rd highest drawing in Italy and the 5th highest drawing in Spain.It is an amazing story that no one is really picking up on. This is a friggan MLS team who does not have a big name player to draw fans.
wow- amazing info there, andy. I had no idea they were drawing that mnay people. RedStars look to be about half full each game- still about 12-14k at a guess. I'm looking it up now for S&Gs
 
The Seattle Sounders broke the MLS attendance record for the second year in a row, this year raising the record by an enormous 6k and finishing over 36k per game on average.

That would make them second highest drawing team in France, the 3rd highest drawing in Italy and the 5th highest drawing in Spain.

It is an amazing story that no one is really picking up on. This is a friggan MLS team who does not have a big name player to draw fans.
wow- amazing info there, andy. I had no idea they were drawing that mnay people. RedStars look to be about half full each game- still about 12-14k at a guess. I'm looking it up now for S&Gs
scroll down for a complete attendance report: Red Bull at about 18k. They had 3 sellouts which helped the overall average.http://www.mlsnet.com/stats

 
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The Seattle Sounders broke the MLS attendance record for the second year in a row, this year raising the record by an enormous 6k and finishing over 36k per game on average.

That would make them second highest drawing team in France, the 3rd highest drawing in Italy and the 5th highest drawing in Spain.

It is an amazing story that no one is really picking up on. This is a friggan MLS team who does not have a big name player to draw fans.
wow- amazing info there, andy. I had no idea they were drawing that mnay people. RedStars look to be about half full each game- still about 12-14k at a guess. I'm looking it up now for S&Gs
scroll down for a complete attendance report: Red Bull at about 18k. They had 3 sellouts which helped the overall average.http://www.mlsnet.com/stats
Is San Jose still in that same dump of a stadium they've always been in? Those numbers would be so much better if they were closer to or in SF or Oakland.
 
The Seattle Sounders broke the MLS attendance record for the second year in a row, this year raising the record by an enormous 6k and finishing over 36k per game on average.

That would make them second highest drawing team in France, the 3rd highest drawing in Italy and the 5th highest drawing in Spain.

It is an amazing story that no one is really picking up on. This is a friggan MLS team who does not have a big name player to draw fans.
wow- amazing info there, andy. I had no idea they were drawing that mnay people. RedStars look to be about half full each game- still about 12-14k at a guess. I'm looking it up now for S&Gs
scroll down for a complete attendance report: Red Bull at about 18k. They had 3 sellouts which helped the overall average.http://www.mlsnet.com/stats
Is San Jose still in that same dump of a stadium they've always been in? Those numbers would be so much better if they were closer to or in SF or Oakland.
SJ and KC sellout almost every game. Their numbers are so bad because they both play in stadiums that only seat 10k. KC is fixing that as their new stadium is coming along nicely. http://webcams.insightkc.com/kcwizards/SJ is trying to build but is having numerous problems so for the time being they will be stuck in the same stadium. Note this stadium is not the one played in for their first 10 or so years in the league which was Spartan Stadium which the field was the size of a postage stamp.

 

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