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Chiriches was a mistake - with his 1.25 pts/game he is better off on your bench if he is starting for Spurs...
Rose, i will acknowledge has played very well and has earned the spot ahead of Davies, who is still looking for consistency in mid-week games.
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Vertonghen (also) plays CB, and CB's are at a premium in the transfer market. He'll have no trouble finding a spot on a CL squad.Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
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Just because PSG overpaid to get Luiz, does not mean CL teams will be beating down the doors to sign Vertonghen at a premium.Vertonghen (also) plays CB, and CB's are at a premium in the transfer market. He'll have no trouble finding a spot on a CL squad.Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
The Italian teams are all broke, will Arsenal, Chelsea, ManCity, or Liverpool overpay to get Vertonghen? I doubt it. Barca is out with the transfer ban, I don't think he suits the style of Atletico, RM is a possibility, maybe Bilbao - but I don't know their financial situation, can't imagine they have extra cash lying around.
The german teams seem like the most likely destination, but I don't know who needs/wants a CB, and willing to pay a premium to get him.
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T Bell
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It isn't just Luiz.Just because PSG overpaid to get Luiz, does not mean CL teams will be beating down the doors to sign Vertonghen at a premium.Vertonghen (also) plays CB, and CB's are at a premium in the transfer market. He'll have no trouble finding a spot on a CL squad.Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
The Italian teams are all broke, will Arsenal, Chelsea, ManCity, or Liverpool overpay to get Vertonghen? I doubt it. Barca is out with the transfer ban, I don't think he suits the style of Atletico, RM is a possibility, maybe Bilbao - but I don't know their financial situation, can't imagine they have extra cash lying around.
The german teams seem like the most likely destination, but I don't know who needs/wants a CB, and willing to pay a premium to get him.
Barca paid Arsenal 15m to get an injury prone and declining Thomas Vermaelen who hadn't been first choice for Arsenal in 18 months, and despite TV only having a year left on his contract.
United spent all summer desperately trying to cobble together defenders to play their 3 CB formation and you've seen the results of that.
Arsenal couldn't retain Vermaelen (who wanted to start somewhere) but were only able to get Calum Chambers (who looks like an excellent player) as a replacement despite Chambers needing to cover both RB and CB for them.
There are other examples I'm not thinking of right now. The point is that CB is just a really thin market if you're looking for an established starter. Gooners have been debating this hotly given the injury concerns in the side (especially now that Debuchy is out for 3 months at RB, forcing Chambers over there), and it's surprising to me how many people still are missing how few really good prospects there are out there to be had.
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Thrilled that #fifa has added the 2016 Copa Centenario hosted by U.S. to the international calendar. Look forward to an amazing tournament.
Sunil Gulati ✔ @sunilgulati
Thrilled that #fifa has added the 2016 Copa Centenario hosted by U.S. to the international calendar. Look forward to an amazing tournament.
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With one game to go here is a quick CCL update
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Pachuca, DC United, Montreal, and Herdiano have advanced to quarter finals, leaving 4 groups to be decided in the last game.
KC advances with 1 goal loss or better at Saprissa
Portland advances with 1 goal loss or better at Olimpia
Alajuelense advances with a draw or better hosting Cruz Azul
Club America advances with a low scoring draw or better when hosting Comunicaciones
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Pachuca, DC United, Montreal, and Herdiano have advanced to quarter finals, leaving 4 groups to be decided in the last game.
KC advances with 1 goal loss or better at Saprissa
Portland advances with 1 goal loss or better at Olimpia
Alajuelense advances with a draw or better hosting Cruz Azul
Club America advances with a low scoring draw or better when hosting Comunicaciones
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Knowing FIFA, Sunil had to horse trade something for this but at this point, who cares. This is going to be such a nice addition to this WC cycle.
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Isn't Dier a CB?Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
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Yes, but I suspect Walker is going to be out for awhile.Isn't Dier a CB?Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
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New US Soccer rule is going into affect this December
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No owner may exercise control over more than one team in a division in such a way that the integrity of any game or competition would be jeopardized or appear to be jeopardized. Effective December 14, 2014, no owner may exercise control over more than one team in a division. A "single-entity" league must have separate and distinct individuals or organizations in charge of each team's management and operations
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This should cause an issue for at least one MLS team as if memory serves, AEG still owns 50% of Houston. AEG also owns the Galaxy.
Maybe AEG can get around this by simply selling 1% of Houston and saying they don't have a "controlling" share in the team?
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No owner may exercise control over more than one team in a division in such a way that the integrity of any game or competition would be jeopardized or appear to be jeopardized. Effective December 14, 2014, no owner may exercise control over more than one team in a division. A "single-entity" league must have separate and distinct individuals or organizations in charge of each team's management and operations
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This should cause an issue for at least one MLS team as if memory serves, AEG still owns 50% of Houston. AEG also owns the Galaxy.
Maybe AEG can get around this by simply selling 1% of Houston and saying they don't have a "controlling" share in the team?
This. Dier and Naughton have been rotating at RB since Naughton was sent off against West Ham in the opener.Yes, but I suspect Walker is going to be out for awhile.Isn't Dier a CB?Hard to say - he should be starting, and I am hopeful he plays on Saturday, but he and Fazio started in the Cap1 Cup on wednesday, and Pochettino has been rotating the squad pretty heavily between mid-week and league games.There is also something funky going on behind the scenes, all the reports from this summer were that Vertonghen had agreed to a new deal with Spurs - but now, all of a sudden he is not interested in signing the new deal. Some speculation that he has had a falling out with Pochettino - but honestly he has shown up and played well in the last two mid-week games, so I don't think he is sulking. He is saying the right things in the press - he is happy, just does not want to sign an extension, and still has 4 years on his current contract.WTF is Vertonghen not starting?I must say, that while I will always be cautiously optimistic in any NLD - I am not really looking forward to this one...hoping for a reasonable scoreline - but I am afraid Spurs are going to roll Kaboul and Chiriches out at CB again, and it could get ugly. Hoping Gooners are a tad bit overconfident ...Those greedy ####ers. But can't say I blame them - may not like them, but if Lewis won't sell the club unless he gets an obscene price, I suppose Archway should hold out for their own obscene price.And how awesome Archway Sheet Metal is.Sinn Fein said:
It's just the current shtick among Gooners. I'm sure you're going to see some Archway propaganda during this weekend's NLD.
It may be that Spurs have decided to sell him in January, and are preparing for when he is not here - though I don't know where he can go that meets his objective of CL football, and not in some third-tier league. I doubt Levy will sell him to a PL club, but I think ManUtd were kicking the tires this summer, Barca was apparently interested, but their transfer ban should be in place now.
I have been holding out hope that Vertonghen and Fazio are first choice CBs and that playing them in mid-week games has only been done to get them acclimated to each other. We'll see tomorrow, but with Kaboul named club captain, it seems the coaches value him more than the fans, and that makes his pairing with Chiriches interesting to watch...
When Walker is healthy - which may not be for a while as there have not been any real updates since his lower abdomen surgery in early September - Dier probably slips back into a rotation at CB. IF Vertonghen is sold in January, Dier may slot right in to a starting CB role, otherwise, he would be looking at filling in for injuries, Cup games, and perhaps Europa knockout games.
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ELITE PLAYERS TO SUE FIFA IN TURF WAR
More than 40 of the world's top female soccer players are preparing to sue FIFA and the Canadian Soccer Association in a Canada court next week after the two organizations missed a Friday deadline to reconsider staging next summer's Women's World Cup in Canada on artificial turf fields, a source told ESPN.
The suit argues that forcing them to compete on turf and not grass -- the surface every men's World Cup since 1930, including the 2014 tournament in Brazil, has been played on -- amounts to gender discrimination, which violates Canadian law.
The claim is to be filed in the human rights tribunal of Ontario. If FIFA and the CSA, which is based in Ottawa, Ontario, one of six host cities for the event, don't reverse course, the trial would likely take place in November, according to Hampton Dellinger, lead attorney for the players.
"The discriminatory plan hatched by FIFA and the Canadian Soccer Association to stage the 2015 women's World Cup on artificial turf, coupled with their refusal to discuss ways to fix the mistake, have left the players with no choice," the Washington, D.C.-based Dellinger, who is working in conjunction with two Canadian law firms, said in a statement to ESPN. "It's now time to ask the courts to stop FIFA and Canada from forcing elite athletes to compete under game-changing, dangerous and demeaning conditions."
Richard Scott, chief spokesman for Canada 2015's organizing committee, deferred questions to FIFA, which did not respond to ESPN's request for comment.
The list of players named in the suit reads like a Who's Who of the women's game. It includes reigning FIFA Player of the Year Nadine Angerer of Germany, 2012 Ballon d'Or winner Abby Wambach of the United States, and Wambach's U.S. teammate Alex Morgan.
The players sent FIFA president Sepp Blatter and CSA executives a final notice of their intention to sue Wednesday, a day before FIFA's Executive Committee meetings commenced in Zurich. The letter requested "a good faith dialogue" to reconsider the use of turf, but global soccer's governing body had not engaged them as of Friday afternoon, the deadline set in the letter.
U.S. soccer president Sunil Gulati, the lone American on the FIFA executive committee, declined comment when reached by ESPN.
A draft of the lawsuit obtained by ESPN claims that other international players want to join those signed in the complaint "but fear retribution from their national federations."
No Canadian players are named in the suit.
The 2015 Women's World Cup is scheduled to take place from June 6-July 5. It will be the seventh edition of the competition, which FIFA bills as the biggest women's sporting event in the world.
Five of the venues already had FIFA-approved artificial turf. Moncton Stadium in Moncton, New Brunswick, was converted from grass to turf ahead of the event. The cost of installing grass at all six sites is estimated at between $3 million to $6 million.
More than 40 of the world's top female soccer players are preparing to sue FIFA and the Canadian Soccer Association in a Canada court next week after the two organizations missed a Friday deadline to reconsider staging next summer's Women's World Cup in Canada on artificial turf fields, a source told ESPN.
The suit argues that forcing them to compete on turf and not grass -- the surface every men's World Cup since 1930, including the 2014 tournament in Brazil, has been played on -- amounts to gender discrimination, which violates Canadian law.
The claim is to be filed in the human rights tribunal of Ontario. If FIFA and the CSA, which is based in Ottawa, Ontario, one of six host cities for the event, don't reverse course, the trial would likely take place in November, according to Hampton Dellinger, lead attorney for the players.
"The discriminatory plan hatched by FIFA and the Canadian Soccer Association to stage the 2015 women's World Cup on artificial turf, coupled with their refusal to discuss ways to fix the mistake, have left the players with no choice," the Washington, D.C.-based Dellinger, who is working in conjunction with two Canadian law firms, said in a statement to ESPN. "It's now time to ask the courts to stop FIFA and Canada from forcing elite athletes to compete under game-changing, dangerous and demeaning conditions."
Richard Scott, chief spokesman for Canada 2015's organizing committee, deferred questions to FIFA, which did not respond to ESPN's request for comment.
The list of players named in the suit reads like a Who's Who of the women's game. It includes reigning FIFA Player of the Year Nadine Angerer of Germany, 2012 Ballon d'Or winner Abby Wambach of the United States, and Wambach's U.S. teammate Alex Morgan.
The players sent FIFA president Sepp Blatter and CSA executives a final notice of their intention to sue Wednesday, a day before FIFA's Executive Committee meetings commenced in Zurich. The letter requested "a good faith dialogue" to reconsider the use of turf, but global soccer's governing body had not engaged them as of Friday afternoon, the deadline set in the letter.
U.S. soccer president Sunil Gulati, the lone American on the FIFA executive committee, declined comment when reached by ESPN.
A draft of the lawsuit obtained by ESPN claims that other international players want to join those signed in the complaint "but fear retribution from their national federations."
No Canadian players are named in the suit.
The 2015 Women's World Cup is scheduled to take place from June 6-July 5. It will be the seventh edition of the competition, which FIFA bills as the biggest women's sporting event in the world.
Five of the venues already had FIFA-approved artificial turf. Moncton Stadium in Moncton, New Brunswick, was converted from grass to turf ahead of the event. The cost of installing grass at all six sites is estimated at between $3 million to $6 million.
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CletiusMaximus
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Mangala was 40m Euros (Luiz was 50m), and looked worth every penny last weekend.
Some other CB's this window:
Benatia 28m
Loveren 25
Mathieu 20
Rojo 20
Manolas 13
Abdennour 13
Caulker 11
Vermaelen 10
Ginter 10
Fazio 10
Fernandez 10
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Dier 5
Dawson 4.5
Agger 4
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Fazio probably isn't a guy Spurs want to rely on this weekend, but he's good friends with Diego Costa, so maybe they'll play him against Chelsea.
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Maybe I'm just trying the old reverse jinx, but I think Spurs are just the type of team set up to murder Arsenal. Arsenal couldn't handle Dortmund's pressing and Pochettino is pretty much the closest thing to Klopp in the Prem when it comes to tactics.
T Bell
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Anything can happen in NLD's. Either of these teams could blow the doors off with a 5-0 win, or the game could be a dreary 0-0 or 1-1 affair, or of course anything in between.
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If Ozil plays the 10 in a 4-2-3-1, I think Arsenal should be ok. If they revert back to the 4-1-4-1 with Ozil out wide, Arteta all alone at the base, and Wilshere and Ramsey getting in each other's way in the middle of the park, God help us.
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Not enough fascism for you eh?
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That would be Lazio....the goat#######.
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