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Greetings from Bristol, CT. It's actually my first day back at work after a semi-hiatus and for the benefit of those without access to ESPN Classic or the ability to discreetly watch ESPN360 while at work, I will be writing a live play-by-play blog during the U.S. vs. England game. The teams are set to kick off in about two hours, so if all your other options to follow the game have fallen through, you can catch it right here.

Both teams are close to full strength, with England missing only Michael Owen and Micah Richards, while the U.S. will be without the services of teen sensation Jozy Altidore and possibly Landon Donovan.

The big news emerging this week out of London is of course the appointment of Chelsea's sure-footed John Terry as England captain. Some U.S. fans might object to Terry's inclusion on the basis of some rumored indiscretions on his part several years ago which involved a nightclub, alcohol, some American tourists and some allegedly poor taste 9/11 comments. The rest of the world will simply object to Terry on the basis that he's just not that likeable.

For the U.S. the big debate that's raging across the nation (other than whether or not two-year old Suri Cruise is too old to be using a bottle) is who will replace Landon Donovan in the U.S. lineup if the Galaxy forward is unable to go? Will it be Freddy Adu (part of the Holy Trinity of U.S. teen phenoms along with Greg Oden and LeBron James that look twice their age) or Josh Wolff (who once outscored Thierry Henry in some nameless U-23 tournament in France many years ago)?

As for the game itself, it's likely to be a very close contest between two teams that are very similar in style. There's a chance that both could start out fielding formations that are reliant on the presence of dual defensive holding midfielders. Assuming liberal substitutions, we could see as many as six defensive midfielders take part in this game, or as some would put it, two less than Rafa Benitez fields in his usual Liverpool starting 11.

Anyway, I'll be back here when the game starts with the play-by-play.

I have been informed by the two very reliable sources that Landon Donovan will not be playing in tonight's game. The U.S. lineup that will take the field is:

GK: Tim Howard

D: Steve Cherundolo, Oguchi Onyewu, Carlos Bocanegra, Heath Pearce

M: Josh Wolff, Michael Bradley, Rico Clark, DaMarcus Beasley

F: Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson

 
I have been informed by two very reliable sources that Landon Donovan will not be playing in tonight's game. The U.S. lineup that will take the field is:

GK: Tim Howard

D: Steve Cherundolo, Oguchi Onyewu, Carlos Bocanegra, Heath Pearce

M: Josh Wolff, Michael Bradley, Rico Clark, DaMarcus Beasley

F: Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson

For England:

GK: David James

D: Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole

M: David Beckham, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Owen Hargreaves

F: Jermaine Defoe, Wayne Rooney

nice presentation for Becks 100th cap.

 
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I have been informed by two very reliable sources that Landon Donovan will not be playing in tonight's game. The U.S. lineup that will take the field is: GK: Tim Howard D: Steve Cherundolo, Oguchi Onyewu, Carlos Bocanegra, Heath Pearce M: Josh Wolff, Michael Bradley, Rico Clark, DaMarcus Beasley F: Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson For England: GK: David James D: Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole M: David Beckham, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Owen Hargreaves F: Jermaine Defoe, Wayne Rooney nice presentation for Becks 100th cap.
So I know Beasley has played a couple of games for the Rangers (including scoring) recently, but is he fully healthy? I reckon he wouldn't play in this game if he weren't.
 
been following this thread for a while. just figured i'd finally Seehorn it for today's match. I'm tivo'ing it to watch when i get home. No Donovan hurts although I'm not a big fan.

 
The US should go through Beasley on the left agaisnt Becks all day. His pace will kill becks who isnt much on the def these days.

Rio and Terry should be fine vs the US strikers.

6 of the England starters were involved in the EC game last week.

 
oof, hate the English midfield. Hargreaves? Seriously?

I haven't read up on who is on the English side, but I'd rather see Crouch up front with Rooney than Dafoe. And probably David Bentley over Beckham and Hargreaves every day of the week.

 
GRRR 1-0 Inglaterra :shock: :goodposting:

Been a lot of back and forth action from what I've seen.

Dunno if links to the free stream are frowned upon here but it's findable (at least en espanol)

-QG

 
US looks solid although they have not challenged the GK for England at all. No serious chances yet. MF is holding well and playing solid for the US. Strikers arent too involved yet. Def is holding but England is getting the chances. England is knocking on the door though.

GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! England free kick. Becks to Terry.

 
Anyone watching?How do Pearce, Califf, and Wolff look?
I've been reading about three different blogs and they all say Wolff looks awful
34th minute- Josh Wolff has looked pretty useless today.Also looking a bit off is John Terry. I think it's safe to say he's still thinking about the Champions League final.
34 mins: Fans of quality TV will be pleased that CW has announced that it will dig into the archives and remake "Beverly Hills 90210" -- it's a good thing that the U.S. soccer team doesn't follow the same philosophy. After all it'd mean doing things like recalling veteran retread players like Josh Wolff to its lineup & oh wait.
Encouraging.
 
oof, hate the English midfield. Hargreaves? Seriously? I haven't read up on who is on the English side, but I'd rather see Crouch up front with Rooney than Dafoe. And probably David Bentley over Beckham and Hargreaves every day of the week.
Rooney is a much better option then Crouch. And Becks does what he does. Free kick which Terry slots home for the goal. Cant argue.Hargreaves is very underrated. and now a becks free kick from 19 out.
 
US looks solid although they have not challenged the GK for England at all. No serious chances yet. MF is holding well and playing solid for the US. Strikers arent too involved yet. Def is holding but England is getting the chances. England is knocking on the door though.GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! England free kick. Becks to Terry.
I really don't think the US has looked that good. England is dominating possession. The US looks like the much weaker squad. You disagree?
 
US looks solid although they have not challenged the GK for England at all. No serious chances yet. MF is holding well and playing solid for the US. Strikers arent too involved yet. Def is holding but England is getting the chances. England is knocking on the door though.GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! England free kick. Becks to Terry.
I really don't think the US has looked that good. England is dominating possession. The US looks like the much weaker squad. You disagree?
I do not disagree. England should be up 2 or 3 nil right now. The US MF has looked decent. Knocked the ball around and moved forward. Service hasnt been there and the Forwards are non exsistant but the MF is ok. Def is holding but unless the US can mount an attack, it will end up 5-0 England.ETA as i wrote both these i realized i was contradicting myself. US is looking worse the more i think about it.US needs to go down their left side thru Becks and Brown. Becks isnt a defender and Brown looks horrible
 
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oof, hate the English midfield. Hargreaves? Seriously? I haven't read up on who is on the English side, but I'd rather see Crouch up front with Rooney than Dafoe. And probably David Bentley over Beckham and Hargreaves every day of the week.
Rooney is a much better option then Crouch. And Becks does what he does. Free kick which Terry slots home for the goal. Cant argue.Hargreaves is very underrated. and now a becks free kick from 19 out.
read again....Rooney + Crouch, no Dafoe.And Bentley is at least as good a server of the ball as Beckham is at this point in their careers, if not better. It's well and good to give the veterans the starting nods.Hargreaves isn't very underrated. In fact I'd argue he's very overrated.
 
oof, hate the English midfield. Hargreaves? Seriously?

I haven't read up on who is on the English side, but I'd rather see Crouch up front with Rooney than Dafoe. And probably David Bentley over Beckham and Hargreaves every day of the week.
Rooney is a much better option then Crouch. And Becks does what he does. Free kick which Terry slots home for the goal. Cant argue.Hargreaves is very underrated.

and now a becks free kick from 19 out.
read again....Rooney + Crouch, no Dafoe.And Bentley is at least as good a server of the ball as Beckham is at this point in their careers, if not better. It's well and good to give the veterans the starting nods.

Hargreaves isn't very underrated. In fact I'd argue he's very overrated.
IMO he's not as good as they think he is. Over-rated.
 
oof, hate the English midfield. Hargreaves? Seriously? I haven't read up on who is on the English side, but I'd rather see Crouch up front with Rooney than Dafoe. And probably David Bentley over Beckham and Hargreaves every day of the week.
Rooney is a much better option then Crouch. And Becks does what he does. Free kick which Terry slots home for the goal. Cant argue.Hargreaves is very underrated. and now a becks free kick from 19 out.
read again....Rooney + Crouch, no Dafoe.And Bentley is at least as good a server of the ball as Beckham is at this point in their careers, if not better. It's well and good to give the veterans the starting nods.Hargreaves isn't very underrated. In fact I'd argue he's very overrated.
My bad. Not a fan of crouch, its a toss up between him and defoe for me.Hargreaves is a hard worker and did everything he was asked by United this year. He is a solid player who can play MF and Def. Great workrate and good passer.People want to call him Overrated since he was bought by Bayern then United for a sizeable amount. Maybe he wasnt worth the price but he is earning it with every game.
 
missed most of the 2nd half. saw the goal by Gerrard. Not a great day out of the US. What i did see was a lack of an attack and a lack of a cohesive unit. Didnt look like the US was playing together. Jozy and LD were missed. LD for his speed and service from the right and Jozy for the threat of a striker. the US has a long way to go still to deserve their ranking.

 
That was horrible. Wolff? How many more chances will this guy get? Hopefully this was the last straw for him. :wall:

Line of the night, from the BBC PBP:

2138: Oh goody, there's a Mexican wave at Wembley. Someone claw my eyes out immediately.

 
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The US is just not very good, and i don't think they ever will be. Whenever i watch them play a team from outside our region, i just get the feeling that the other side knows that the US just has nobody to threaten them. Unless a defender falls down or something, we just don't score. (other than on set pieces)

Our best athletes don't play soccer, and that will always put a very tight limit on what we can accomplish.

 
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.

 
Steve Tasker for Prez said:
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.
Probably cuz Mexico is easily the most overrated team in the world.-QG
 
Steve Tasker for Prez said:
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.
Probably cuz Mexico is easily the most overrated team in the world.-QG
I agree with you that they're overrated, but I don't think they're Owen Hargreaves overrated. In the past few years, the US has been borderline dominant when it comes to playing Mexico. I can't remember the last time they beat a real team from outside North America (and I'm not talking Austria, Switzerland, etc). Probably Portugal in WC 02....
 
Steve Tasker for Prez said:
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.
Probably cuz Mexico is easily the most overrated team in the world.-QG
I agree with you that they're overrated, but I don't think they're Owen Hargreaves overrated. In the past few years, the US has been borderline dominant when it comes to playing Mexico. I can't remember the last time they beat a real team from outside North America (and I'm not talking Austria, Switzerland, etc). Probably Portugal in WC 02....
:football: Mexico has a long strong history in the sport and that is what gives them a higher then they should ranking. Plus they play really tough games, and even beat, some of the top teams in the world. When it comes to the US, Mexico is so over the top with rage that they end up trying to beat us up instead of just beating us. They get out of their game and get sucked into the 'got to beat the us" mentality that we end up winning. If they got out of their own heads and away from the hatred they should beat us. If they treat us like any other team and not the hated Americans, they would have a chance.

 
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Steve Tasker for Prez said:
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.
I would temper that by saying we were playing England in Wembley. Not too many teams go in there and beat them, much less lookf good. Plus we were missing arguably our 2 best offensive players.
 
Steve Tasker for Prez said:
I don't understand how we can beat Mexico all the time (or at least play them even to a draw), and then collapse against teams from other parts of the world. Granted it wasn't the US's best side today, but come on. From the way you guys are talking about it, it sounds like a bloodbath.
Probably cuz Mexico is easily the most overrated team in the world.-QG
I agree with you that they're overrated, but I don't think they're Owen Hargreaves overrated. In the past few years, the US has been borderline dominant when it comes to playing Mexico. I can't remember the last time they beat a real team from outside North America (and I'm not talking Austria, Switzerland, etc). Probably Portugal in WC 02....
It's becoming more and more apparent that the US style of play, whether through design or evolution, is built specifically to beat Mexico. Yield possession, bunker, wait for a miscue/stupid foul, and counterattack. Works against Mexico because they're not a world-class side. But against teams with better MF's, you end up waiting around for 25 minutes for a marginal attacking opportunity like tonight, and your supposed pace advantage on the wings gets negated.
 

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