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Weird to see a #7 for Portugal and the guy isn't glowing from too much bronze. 

 
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roadkill1292 said:
I'll watch the ladies in a little while but right now I'm stroking my Odegaard boner.
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El Floppo said:
oh- btw... loved seeing kierkegaard out there. been excited to see him play since hearing about him before his move to RM (wasn't he linked with ManUnited?). not sure how old he is now... 18? but damn, you can tell he's something special. quick feet, nice vision, good pace, smart runs and a velcro-like left foot.
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I messed up the name. but he looked legit.

 
All righty, then, who's ready for some Fulham v Newcastle?

THE CHAMPIONSHIP -- a REAL second division!

THE CHAMPIONSHIP -- where Queens Park Rangers belong!

THE CHAMPIONSHIP -- who's going up?

THE CHAMPIONSHIP -- Leeds! Leeds! Leeds!

 
Two more acquisitiontions by Chinese investors today - Milan sale is official and West Brom. Best regards to supporters of both clubs. With luck, 13 years from now you'll look back fondly on this day. 

 
4 games and 4 wins so far for MLS teams(NYR, Portland, Dallas and Vancouver) in CCL group stage play.  KC has yet to play a game.

"Best" win was Vancouver winning away in Trinidad, which pretty much sets the group up to be Vancouver vs KC to see who advances.  In these 3 team groups, losing your first game at home is almost instant death.

"Worst" win was easily Portland only winning by 1 at home.  With having to face Saprissa and the almost certain multi goal loss at their hell hole, they needed as much GD as possible from this home fixture.

 
Chicago Fire soccer team shuts down anti-gay chant

My favorite team, the Chicago Fire, isn't the best soccer club in the world. They're in last place in their league, although they have a chance to get into the finals of the U.S. Open Cup.

Last year I was so depressed, I advocated hiring the Grim Reaper as a mascot. This year, despite the pain, I'm weirdly optimistic about the future.

But I'm not writing today about soccer on the field.

I'm writing about the stellar character of the Chicago Fire Soccer Club and its decision to take a stand against an infamous anti-gay chant common among soccer-crazy Mexican fans.

When a business — and the Fire is a business — stands up for honor and principle and against behavior common to a core fan group that buys tickets — that's a story.

The other night at Toyota Park, I was sitting with my sons — both in college and current soccer players — when Chicago Fire general manager Nelson Rodriguez walked out onto the field alone.

It was "Pride" night. The Chicago Gay Men's Chorus had finished a fine rendition of the national anthem before Sunday's game with the New York Red Bulls.

That's when Rodriguez walked into the center circle and did something the rest of the soccer world doesn't seem able to do.

He looked up into the stands and announced that any fan found to be using the infamous anti-gay Mexican soccer chant would be booted out of the stadium.

"An inappropriate and offensive chant has been used by some of our fans," Rodriguez said. "It is unbecoming and certainly not reflective of the great city that we live in, and the best fans in major league soccer.

"Please be advised that if the chant continues and you are found to be participating, you are subject to removal. If you are near fans using offensive language, please advise stadium security so we can handle that as well."

And all I could say was "bravo."

There were a few boos. But most of us applauded him. And I didn't hear that chant once during the game.

If you know soccer, you know the chant I'm talking about, a chant of one word:

Puto.

It means effeminate man whore. It is ugly and demeaning, directed at gay men in a macho culture, but at soccer games it is directed at the goalie of the opposing team.

Some apologists insist that it's not an anti-gay chant, per se, and that it's ingrained in Mexican soccer culture.

But a 2015 story about the "puto" chant in SB Nation written by Jim Buzinski explained it best. He interviewed Andres Aradillas-Lopez, a Penn State economics professor who was born and raised in Mexico and is an ardent fan of the Mexican national team.

Aradillas-Lopez is not gay, but he loathes the term and rebuts the apologists this way.

"What they omit to say is that 'puto' has always been a derogatory term used against gay men and, therefore, is a gay slur. In the macho universe, gay men are a subset of the universe of 'putos' (I would like them to tell me why, then, do they not chant 'puta' at women's soccer games)."

If you've watched any soccer involving the Mexican national team, you've heard it coming through on broadcasts. Sometimes 100,000 Mexican fans will scream it, and in games against the U.S. team, they shout it in once voice, at the American goalie, when he punts the ball forward on a goal kick.

It was shouted at other teams as well in the Copa America tournament here this summer. Mexico has a great team. I picked them to win that tournament. They lost, but the nation of Mexico loses face every time the fans shout the term.

The international governing body of soccer, FIFA, has been unable to stop it. But maybe that's because Mexican fans buy tickets, and the sport doesn't want to lose money.

One way to stop it is to penalize the Mexican national team, strip it of points or order the team to play in empty stadiums, without their fans. But that would cost money.

I hate hearing it. I didn't want my wife and kids to hear it when the kids were young soccer players.

I'm not your thought police. If you wish to use such language at home, be my guest. But an organized chant in a public place where I'm paying for a ticket? No thank you.

The Fire have put out public service announcements asking fans to respect each other. But they had had enough. So Nelson Rodriguez took that walk and said his piece.

"This chant is offensive," he told me in an interview at Toyota Park. "It's vulgar, it's inappropriate and it runs contrary I think — even in my short time here — to the spirit of Chicago, which at every turn I just find is warm and welcoming and friendly, and I'm of Latino descent."

The chant, he said, "is not clever or creative, or catchy or appropriate in any way. Yeah, I'm not deaf. I heard a smattering of boos. But that's a very small minority of fans, and I don't care if they don't return. In fact, personally, if they are booing the message as opposed to booing the messenger, go find another team to support."

Rodriguez says there is no victory without honor. He's right.

The Chicago Fire won't always be in last place. And today, they're champions.

Twitter @John_Kass
 
Both Gerrard and Lampard are continuing the tradition of many of the big name players who come to MLS in the summer, look awful and then figure it out the following season.  Both are playing so much better than last year, they look like different players.  Lampard had been carrying injuries so that likely affected some of his start as well.

I don't know if either are going to be re-signed by the league and it may be their last year but at least both NY and LA can get a small amount of satisfaction that the money was not completely lit on fire as was feared when this season started.

Lampard was continually being roasted as the worst signing in MLS history by the media and he was just named MLS player of the month for his work in July.   His turn around has been massive.

Gerrard looks to simply have made a good decision on how to play.  He realized he can't out run, out jump, out boss, out hustle anyone in the league but he can still pass the ball better than 99.5% of the players in MLS, so he has almost turned himself in a 2016 version of early MLS Valderamma, with a little more movement.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Chicago Fire soccer team shuts down anti-gay chant

My favorite team, the Chicago Fire, isn't the best soccer club in the world. They're in last place in their league, although they have a chance to get into the finals of the U.S. Open Cup.

Last year I was so depressed, I advocated hiring the Grim Reaper as a mascot. This year, despite the pain, I'm weirdly optimistic about the future.

But I'm not writing today about soccer on the field.

I'm writing about the stellar character of the Chicago Fire Soccer Club and its decision to take a stand against an infamous anti-gay chant common among soccer-crazy Mexican fans.

When a business — and the Fire is a business — stands up for honor and principle and against behavior common to a core fan group that buys tickets — that's a story.

The other night at Toyota Park, I was sitting with my sons — both in college and current soccer players — when Chicago Fire general manager Nelson Rodriguez walked out onto the field alone.

It was "Pride" night. The Chicago Gay Men's Chorus had finished a fine rendition of the national anthem before Sunday's game with the New York Red Bulls.

That's when Rodriguez walked into the center circle and did something the rest of the soccer world doesn't seem able to do.

He looked up into the stands and announced that any fan found to be using the infamous anti-gay Mexican soccer chant would be booted out of the stadium.

"An inappropriate and offensive chant has been used by some of our fans," Rodriguez said. "It is unbecoming and certainly not reflective of the great city that we live in, and the best fans in major league soccer.

"Please be advised that if the chant continues and you are found to be participating, you are subject to removal. If you are near fans using offensive language, please advise stadium security so we can handle that as well."

And all I could say was "bravo."

There were a few boos. But most of us applauded him. And I didn't hear that chant once during the game.

If you know soccer, you know the chant I'm talking about, a chant of one word:

Puto.

It means effeminate man whore. It is ugly and demeaning, directed at gay men in a macho culture, but at soccer games it is directed at the goalie of the opposing team.

Some apologists insist that it's not an anti-gay chant, per se, and that it's ingrained in Mexican soccer culture.

But a 2015 story about the "puto" chant in SB Nation written by Jim Buzinski explained it best. He interviewed Andres Aradillas-Lopez, a Penn State economics professor who was born and raised in Mexico and is an ardent fan of the Mexican national team.

Aradillas-Lopez is not gay, but he loathes the term and rebuts the apologists this way.

"What they omit to say is that 'puto' has always been a derogatory term used against gay men and, therefore, is a gay slur. In the macho universe, gay men are a subset of the universe of 'putos' (I would like them to tell me why, then, do they not chant 'puta' at women's soccer games)."

If you've watched any soccer involving the Mexican national team, you've heard it coming through on broadcasts. Sometimes 100,000 Mexican fans will scream it, and in games against the U.S. team, they shout it in once voice, at the American goalie, when he punts the ball forward on a goal kick.

It was shouted at other teams as well in the Copa America tournament here this summer. Mexico has a great team. I picked them to win that tournament. They lost, but the nation of Mexico loses face every time the fans shout the term.

The international governing body of soccer, FIFA, has been unable to stop it. But maybe that's because Mexican fans buy tickets, and the sport doesn't want to lose money.

One way to stop it is to penalize the Mexican national team, strip it of points or order the team to play in empty stadiums, without their fans. But that would cost money.

I hate hearing it. I didn't want my wife and kids to hear it when the kids were young soccer players.

I'm not your thought police. If you wish to use such language at home, be my guest. But an organized chant in a public place where I'm paying for a ticket? No thank you.

The Fire have put out public service announcements asking fans to respect each other. But they had had enough. So Nelson Rodriguez took that walk and said his piece.

"This chant is offensive," he told me in an interview at Toyota Park. "It's vulgar, it's inappropriate and it runs contrary I think — even in my short time here — to the spirit of Chicago, which at every turn I just find is warm and welcoming and friendly, and I'm of Latino descent."

The chant, he said, "is not clever or creative, or catchy or appropriate in any way. Yeah, I'm not deaf. I heard a smattering of boos. But that's a very small minority of fans, and I don't care if they don't return. In fact, personally, if they are booing the message as opposed to booing the messenger, go find another team to support."

Rodriguez says there is no victory without honor. He's right.

The Chicago Fire won't always be in last place. And today, they're champions.

Twitter @John_Kass
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had no idea it was anti-gay... which makes it even more terrible. just thought it was "ash-hole".

 
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The USWNT is very popular.

The TV ratings say so, the attendance at their home games say so, the vast amount of sponsorship the team brings to US Soccer says so.

This is not in any way really arguable, especially for a women's sport.

And yet none of this popularity seems to ever translate to women's club soccer in the US. 

The difference in popularity of the US National Team and MLS is microscopic compared to the difference in popularity between the US Women's National Team and the NWSL.

While there will always be some sort of gap in popularity, can anyone speculate on why the gap is so enormous for the women between the nats and club in terms of popularity?  I have some thoughts but I would like to hear other ideas.

 
AFC Wimbledon academy product Ryan Sweeney signed with Stoke City.  Sweeney has been with the Dons since the age of 8 (he's 19 now)

£250K is pocket change for Stoke but a windfall to Wimbledon.  With bonuses and sell-on clauses, the amount could increase to over £1M.

 
roadkill1292 said:
I think they're televised tomorrow morning against Burton Albion (pause to giggle). But anybody who doesn't want Forest to be promoted just doesn't like Robin Hood jokes and to hell with that person.
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Brewers!

 
NewlyRetired said:
Chicago Fire soccer team shuts down anti-gay chant

My favorite team, the Chicago Fire, isn't the best soccer club in the world. They're in last place in their league, although they have a chance to get into the finals of the U.S. Open Cup.

Last year I was so depressed, I advocated hiring the Grim Reaper as a mascot. This year, despite the pain, I'm weirdly optimistic about the future.

But I'm not writing today about soccer on the field.

I'm writing about the stellar character of the Chicago Fire Soccer Club and its decision to take a stand against an infamous anti-gay chant common among soccer-crazy Mexican fans.

When a business — and the Fire is a business — stands up for honor and principle and against behavior common to a core fan group that buys tickets — that's a story.

The other night at Toyota Park, I was sitting with my sons — both in college and current soccer players — when Chicago Fire general manager Nelson Rodriguez walked out onto the field alone.

It was "Pride" night. The Chicago Gay Men's Chorus had finished a fine rendition of the national anthem before Sunday's game with the New York Red Bulls.

That's when Rodriguez walked into the center circle and did something the rest of the soccer world doesn't seem able to do.

He looked up into the stands and announced that any fan found to be using the infamous anti-gay Mexican soccer chant would be booted out of the stadium.

"An inappropriate and offensive chant has been used by some of our fans," Rodriguez said. "It is unbecoming and certainly not reflective of the great city that we live in, and the best fans in major league soccer.

"Please be advised that if the chant continues and you are found to be participating, you are subject to removal. If you are near fans using offensive language, please advise stadium security so we can handle that as well."

And all I could say was "bravo."

There were a few boos. But most of us applauded him. And I didn't hear that chant once during the game.

If you know soccer, you know the chant I'm talking about, a chant of one word:

Puto.

It means effeminate man whore. It is ugly and demeaning, directed at gay men in a macho culture, but at soccer games it is directed at the goalie of the opposing team.

Some apologists insist that it's not an anti-gay chant, per se, and that it's ingrained in Mexican soccer culture.

But a 2015 story about the "puto" chant in SB Nation written by Jim Buzinski explained it best. He interviewed Andres Aradillas-Lopez, a Penn State economics professor who was born and raised in Mexico and is an ardent fan of the Mexican national team.

Aradillas-Lopez is not gay, but he loathes the term and rebuts the apologists this way.

"What they omit to say is that 'puto' has always been a derogatory term used against gay men and, therefore, is a gay slur. In the macho universe, gay men are a subset of the universe of 'putos' (I would like them to tell me why, then, do they not chant 'puta' at women's soccer games)."

If you've watched any soccer involving the Mexican national team, you've heard it coming through on broadcasts. Sometimes 100,000 Mexican fans will scream it, and in games against the U.S. team, they shout it in once voice, at the American goalie, when he punts the ball forward on a goal kick.

It was shouted at other teams as well in the Copa America tournament here this summer. Mexico has a great team. I picked them to win that tournament. They lost, but the nation of Mexico loses face every time the fans shout the term.

The international governing body of soccer, FIFA, has been unable to stop it. But maybe that's because Mexican fans buy tickets, and the sport doesn't want to lose money.

One way to stop it is to penalize the Mexican national team, strip it of points or order the team to play in empty stadiums, without their fans. But that would cost money.

I hate hearing it. I didn't want my wife and kids to hear it when the kids were young soccer players.

I'm not your thought police. If you wish to use such language at home, be my guest. But an organized chant in a public place where I'm paying for a ticket? No thank you.

The Fire have put out public service announcements asking fans to respect each other. But they had had enough. So Nelson Rodriguez took that walk and said his piece.

"This chant is offensive," he told me in an interview at Toyota Park. "It's vulgar, it's inappropriate and it runs contrary I think — even in my short time here — to the spirit of Chicago, which at every turn I just find is warm and welcoming and friendly, and I'm of Latino descent."

The chant, he said, "is not clever or creative, or catchy or appropriate in any way. Yeah, I'm not deaf. I heard a smattering of boos. But that's a very small minority of fans, and I don't care if they don't return. In fact, personally, if they are booing the message as opposed to booing the messenger, go find another team to support."

Rodriguez says there is no victory without honor. He's right.

The Chicago Fire won't always be in last place. And today, they're champions.

Twitter @John_Kass
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FIRE!  :thumbup:

 . . . and the best fans in major league soccer.

Of course.

 
NewlyRetired said:
The USWNT is very popular.

The TV ratings say so, the attendance at their home games say so, the vast amount of sponsorship the team brings to US Soccer says so.

This is not in any way really arguable, especially for a women's sport.

And yet none of this popularity seems to ever translate to women's club soccer in the US. 

The difference in popularity of the US National Team and MLS is microscopic compared to the difference in popularity between the US Women's National Team and the NWSL.

While there will always be some sort of gap in popularity, can anyone speculate on why the gap is so enormous for the women between the nats and club in terms of popularity?  I have some thoughts but I would like to hear other ideas.
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In the little I've watched, I think its gotta be the gap in talent.  The talent pool just isn't that deep for NWSL. :shrug:

 
NewlyRetired said:
The USWNT is very popular.

The TV ratings say so, the attendance at their home games say so, the vast amount of sponsorship the team brings to US Soccer says so.

This is not in any way really arguable, especially for a women's sport.

And yet none of this popularity seems to ever translate to women's club soccer in the US. 

The difference in popularity of the US National Team and MLS is microscopic compared to the difference in popularity between the US Women's National Team and the NWSL.

While there will always be some sort of gap in popularity, can anyone speculate on why the gap is so enormous for the women between the nats and club in terms of popularity?  I have some thoughts but I would like to hear other ideas.
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IMO, of the cuff, nationalism and winning. 

joe-sports fan can get behind soccer and the USWNT because it's likely they'll win and make people feel good about america #### yeah. WLS? yeah... maybe somebody wins or ties... but ultimately not tied to anything unless you're a fan of the sport... and even then (for me), it's a watered down version of something that's already out there in enough quality and quantity through MLS, euro-summer tours, and of course TV, that I don't feel a need to see it (and I've seen it). 

 
Ned said:
In the little I've watched, I think its gotta be the gap in talent.  The talent pool just isn't that deep for NWSL. :shrug:
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So much of the US WNT support comes from the demographic of girls aged 10-17.  Do you think they really feel that strongly about a talent gap?

 
El Floppo said:
I'll defer to you for this kind of stuff... but I had the feeling it's a lot more than girls 10-17 watching this team.
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Of course, I was just saying they have a very strong core in that demographic.  The teen girls that grew up with the 1999 team are likely moms today and will probably continue some of that tradition with their own daughters.

Many more teen girls follow the US WNT than teen boys follow the US Mens team for example.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Of course, I was just saying they have a very strong core in that demographic.  The teen girls that grew up with the 1999 team are likely moms today and will probably continue some of that tradition with their own daughters.

Many more teen girls follow the US WNT than teen boys follow the US Mens team for example.
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I buy that. 

just been my (anecdotal) experience that there a lot of non-soccer, non-teen/tween girls related people out there who still like to follow the team- especially deep in tournaments. I don't think the non soccer fan is watching any WCQ or friendies, but they're all aboard for the tourneys.

eta: then again, I think it's the same for the USMNT.

so, given that, I guess your question would be- why is there such a drop-off from MLS to WLS relative to each of the Nats' teams huge base of support. my answer- volume. or... what I said earlier. 

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Of course, I was just saying they have a very strong core in that demographic.  The teen girls that grew up with the 1999 team are likely moms today and will probably continue some of that tradition with their own daughters.

Many more teen girls follow the US WNT than teen boys follow the US Mens team for example.
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inappropriate joke about following teen girls in 3...2...1...

 
When is the WSL on, do they show it on tv?  What teams are in the league? Where do they play?  

I don't think I've ever seen a promo for it outside of televised USWNT games.  Wouldnt even know how to follow.

 
B Maverick said:
When is the WSL on, do they show it on tv?  What teams are in the league? Where do they play?  

I don't think I've ever seen a promo for it outside of televised USWNT games.  Wouldnt even know how to follow.
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if you were interested, I'm sure you could figure it out. 

I'm not, so I've only stumbled onto games on random networks that show soccer.

 
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