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Big crowd in Columbus today for their rally. Interesting to see how many people will make it out here this evening on the Austin side.

 
It still amazes me that Giovinco can't get a call up. Even if you only use him to take a set piece late in the game, how many people can hit free kicks like that?  He literally put in about a one square foot window yesterday.

 
Sometimes this sport just seems unbelievably random. It's hard to believe that the guy who took Soton (and later Everton) to the NIT suddenly started being a bad manager.
Roger Bennett's take is a bit cliche'd, but probably has a good-sized kernel of truth in it.

Farewell Ronald Koeman. A Cautionary Tale for anyone who makes it clear Everton is just a Stepping Stone. This is a Club you have to Love.

The assumption has always been he wants to get back to Barcelona, but if that is his plan I'd think it's much less likely after this Everton experience.

His track record:

2000–2001  Vitesse

2001–2005  Ajax

2005–2006  Benfica

2006–2007  PSV

2007–2008  Valencia

2009  AZ

2011–2014  Feyenoord

2014–2016  Southampton

2016–2017  Everton

 
Evidently Jose forgot to remove the anchors he put on United for the liverpool game and it cost them at Huddlesfield.   :wall:

Lindelof was Lovren bad.  Lingard was Huddlesfield's best defense vs the counter.  It was painful to watch.

Tottenham next weekend.  United better remember how to play.

 
wow, FIFA can't even pretend to care about the women's game can they? I mean this is crazy. 

The best analogy I can come up with here is that for a men's player of the year short list, they nominated Messi, Ronaldo and Jordan Morris (specifically when Morris was still at Stanford).

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2740212-megan-rapinoe-hits-out-at-fifa-over-deyna-castellanos-nomination
Except Morris's NCAA numbers were clearly inferior to Fabian Herbers (and Morris had made an international start). 

I love this story.  How did they even find out about her?  It's funny enough that they still nominate Lloyd for Marta's yearly "we can't think of any other female player we've heard of" slot. 

 
wow, FIFA can't even pretend to care about the women's game can they? I mean this is crazy. 

The best analogy I can come up with here is that for a men's player of the year short list, they nominated Messi, Ronaldo and Jordan Morris (specifically when Morris was still at Stanford).

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2740212-megan-rapinoe-hits-out-at-fifa-over-deyna-castellanos-nomination
he was still a full international at stanford.

this girl hasn't even featured at the u20, let alone full side. it would be like including some guy from Florida St who's scored some nice goals, but isn't even on the radar. no... wait... not "like" that's exactly what they did. shameful and disgusting.

 
Except Morris's NCAA numbers were clearly inferior to Fabian Herbers (and Morris had made an international start). 

I love this story.  How did they even find out about her?  It's funny enough that they still nominate Lloyd for Marta's yearly "we can't think of any other female player we've heard of" slot. 
nominated for puksas

 
Except Morris's NCAA numbers were clearly inferior to Fabian Herbers (and Morris had made an international start). 

I love this story.  How did they even find out about her?  It's funny enough that they still nominate Lloyd for Marta's yearly "we can't think of any other female player we've heard of" slot. 
I meant before Morris was chosen by Klinsmann

 
from the full article it sounds like what Memphis pulled off crushed any hopes for Charlotte who were a long shot to begin with at best

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Charlotte’s bid to land a Major League Soccer expansion team is officially dead for now.

City Council member James Mitchell, who chairs the city’s economic development committee, confirmed that an agreement on public-private financing on the proposed $175 million soccer facility cannot be reached in time to meet the MLS’s upcoming decision date.

“It will not make the December deadline,” Mitchell told the Observer Monday. “We won’t make December to be considered.”

 
It still amazes me that Giovinco can't get a call up. Even if you only use him to take a set piece late in the game, how many people can hit free kicks like that?  He literally put in about a one square foot window yesterday.
I was literally screaming at Guzman to cover short side top shelf - pleading with him, but with 70k people and me in the club level (LOOK AT ME!) I don’t think he heard me.

 
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That was an amazing shot!

From that distance I think I would take away the wall.  All the wall did was block Guzan's vision of the ball part of the way. 
Me and my buddy had that discussion.  I acknowledge I’m a complete idiot but I would consider on that specific play putting my tallest player on the back post and just take away his ability to make that shot.  Totally unconventional but that’s what I would do against him or Coutinho or Messi.

 
That was an amazing shot!

From that distance I think I would take away the wall.  All the wall did was block Guzan's vision of the ball part of the way. 
Me and my buddy had that discussion.  I acknowledge I’m a complete idiot but I would consider on that specific play putting my tallest player on the back post and just take away his ability to make that shot.  Totally unconventional but that’s what I would do against him or Coutinho or Messi.
Interesting approach, but with a guy on the line from a FK you take away any offsides...  which would be a problem if they decide not to shoot.

 
Wonder how much ESPN pays for the rights to League Cup to restrict it to ESPN3 only?

Gotta save room for the Paul FInebaum Show and whatever else is on the other ESPN channels.

 
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Interesting approach, but with a guy on the line from a FK you take away any offsides...  which would be a problem if they decide not to shoot.
Right - that's why I said it's unconventional (and probably more importantly, I'm an idiot) - there's few guys in the world that I would consider it for and I mentioned 3 of them - probably add CR to the list.

 
Here is the latest run down for the various expansion cities

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Sacramento: 1-1 We have an ownership group filled with big names—H-P’s Meg Whitman, the 49ers’ Jed York, as well as several Sacramento Kings owners—and a downtown stadium plan approved by city officials. Work has already begun on the facility, and the team announced a binding jersey sponsorship deal with UC Davis Health. The ownership group is certainly acting like an MLS bid is in the offing.

Nashville: 1-1 Public bonding for a new MLS stadium at the Fairgrounds Nashville has already been approved by the city’s Sports Authority and is expected to be approved by the full Metro Council in Nashville, and the Nashville SC owners are following a familiar blueprint by launching a USL team in 2018. There’s little doubt Nashville is a sizzling-hot market. Add in six Fortune 500 companies headquartered in Nashville, additional big-buck owners in the form of the Wilf family, and Nashville has plenty of advantages in this competition. Any bid with a strong ownership group and governmental support will have an advantage.

Detroit: 2-1 Tom Gores (Detroit Pistons owner) and Dan Gilbert (Cleveland Cavaliers owner) may be the strongest ownership group in this competition, and the combination of business acumen and sports-business experience is certainly appealing. It looks like all sides agree on a framework of a deal to swap a downtown site currently housing a half-finished jail in exchange for a stadium site and a new jail elsewhere, clearing the way to a successful MLS bid. One potential drawback for immediate approval: Detroit would need to build a pro-soccer organization (youth academy, secondary affiliate) from scratch, along with the stadium.

Cincinnati: 2-1 Attracting hordes of fans to Nippert Stadium is impressive, but MLS officials have made it clear that a new stadium is a must. To that end, FC Cincinnati owners have been working on a new-stadium plan, but it’s not clear whether there’s any public money for a new soccer facility. The FC Cincinnati ownership has launched a training academy and youth program—two items on the MLS expansion checklist. With an ownership group with deep pockets and documented sports-business experience, those huge crowds will be a huge temptation to MLS officials. A bonus: MLS Commissioner Don Garber hinted that the soccer-only guideline in place for expansion teams may not be absolute.

Phoenix: 3-1 Give Phoenix Rising FC credit: the owners certainly are acting like they’re first in line to land an expansion franchise, announcing backing from Goldman Sachs for new-stadium financing and holding a public cattle call for potential stadium architects. There is a lot of uncertainty in the Phoenix sports market with the Suns, Diamondbacks and Coyotes all seeking new or renovated facilities, and there may not be the sports marketing dollars from area corporations to allow for a new MLS stadium and associated sponsorship/naming rights. But Phoenix Rising ownership has quietly laid the groundwork to land an MLS expansion franchise, and there’s really not much of a gap between the #1 and #5 cities in our list.

San Antonio: 6-1 City officials are solidly behind public funding of an expansion of Toyota Field for MLS. Great crowds at Toyota Field for USL games and friendlies have impressed many. MLS loves a strong ownership group, and Spurs Sports—which also owns AHL and G-League teams—certainly has the track record to be successful in MLS. Whether San Antonio has the corporate base and demographics to land a team in a state already hosting two MLS teams is another question. And the proposal by owner Anthony Precourt to potentially move the Columbus Crew to Austin would negatively impact any San Antonio bid.

San Diego: 8-1 At one point San Diego was a lock to land a franchise, but political battles there have put the the SoccerCity initiative, a huge development at the Qualcomm Stadium site that includes a new MLS stadium, on hold. A referendum to allow a land transfer has been pushed back to November 2018, and San Diego State is openly seeking control of the Qualcomm Stadium site for its own stadium plan. There are some big names with the San Diego bid, but it may be a matter of too little, too late. As with Detroit, the San Diego bidders would need to build a soccer infrastructure from scratch.

Raleigh/Durham: 12-1 Is there the state money to acquire land for a new downtown Raleigh stadium? North Carolina FC owner Steve Malik presented the plan for a $150-million, 22,000-seat facility constructed as part of larger development in downtown Raleigh. But it would require state aid of some sort, and so far there’s been little indication lawmakers will step up to put together the land parcel. Raleigh/Durham is a tweener market: minor-league sports like baseball do well, but it’s no secret the NHL Carolina Hurricanes are struggling. Bonus: high-tech industries in the Triangle are a natural fan/sponsorship for a sport like pro soccer.

Tampa Bay: 15-1 When St. Petersburg voters approved an expansion of Al Lang Stadium to accommodate the Tampa Bay Rowdies’ bid for an MLS expansion team, they didn’t vote for any public funding. Tampa Bay is a hot market, and a stylishly upgraded Al Lang Stadium on the waterfront could be a major community amenity. Rowdies owner Bill Edwards needs to come up the $80 million to expand Al Lang Stadium and the reported $150-million expansion fee–but he does have a big lawsuit against his St. Petersburg-based Mortgage Investors Corp. to defend, leading to some question whether he can pull off the financials needed for a new stadium. Plus, the upcoming municipal election may bring forth a mayor more interested in keeping the Tampa Bay Rays in downtown than fostering MLS dreams.

St. Louis: 45-1 Voters emphatically shot down the idea of public funding for a new MLS stadium. Since then, reps from the St. Louis ownership emphatically shot down any suggestion that they could move forward with an alternative stadium plan. Is any MLS expansion to St. Louis dead? It sure sounds like it, but we’ve seen stranger things than a potential MLS expansion franchise rise from the dead.

Charlotte: 500-1 With Mecklenburg County bailing on public financing/funding of a new stadiumand Charlotte officials saying there’s no way they can put together a public funding plan to meet MLS deadlines, this bid is dead for now.

Indianapolis: 500-1 Ersal Ozdemir’s Indy Eleven has been tremendously successful in the NASL, but he’s come up short in attracting any public financing for a new stadium. It would take a miracle to see Indianapolis snare an expansion team.
 
Buffon has announced he will retire at the end of this season.  What an amazing career.

I assume he is going to play in the WC if Italy qualify..................

 
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I guess?  But is he better than DonnaSummer right now?  Not sure. 
DonnaSummer is dead, Jim.

I have not kept up with Gianluigi - but is he playing much for the National Team during the qualifiers?  Juve certainly doing better than Milan...

 
DonnaSummer is dead, Jim.

I have not kept up with Gianluigi - but is he playing much for the National Team during the qualifiers?  Juve certainly doing better than Milan...
I'm under no illusion as to the wittiness of that shtick.  I just can't remember how to spell the kid's name.

FWIW, in the last qualifier (Oct. 9 against Albania) Buffon started.  Donnarumma was on the bench. 

EDIT:  This was also the case in the three previous qualifiers against Macedonia, Israel, and Spain

 
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Wonder how much ESPN pays for the rights to League Cup to restrict it to ESPN3 only?

Gotta save room for the Paul FInebaum Show and whatever else is on the other ESPN channels.
DFB Pokal match today with Bayern v Leipzig, #2 v #3 in the current table.  ESPN Deportes and ESPN3 only.  :censored:

 
DFB Pokal match today with Bayern v Leipzig, #2 v #3 in the current table.  ESPN Deportes and ESPN3 only.  :censored:
I don't understand the concern here.  What is the difference if you watch the game on your tv streaming vs cable vs satellite?  The picture quality of the ESPN streams is fantastic and look great on a big screen tv.

Is the issue more that you can't DVR the stream?

 
I don't understand the concern here.  What is the difference if you watch the game on your tv streaming vs cable vs satellite?  The picture quality of the ESPN streams is fantastic and look great on a big screen tv.

Is the issue more that you can't DVR the stream?
If it's on ESPN3, I have to switch to Amazon Fire and switching between matches is a chore. I currently only have one functioning HDMI input on my POS Onkyo receiver so switching between the Fire and Directv involves minutes. The picture is fine most times but it occasionally pixellates/freezes .

If it were on ESPN2 or any other Directv ESPN channel I could easily swap between that match and something on say BEIN or FS2.

And as you say, I can't DVR that match either.

I guess my general question is for a corporation that is bleeding cash, why bid on something and keep it streaming only?

 
should've yelled at Guzan instead.
Reminds me of when we went to see ATL in PHL back in August.  We had a guy sitting behind us heckling Guzan every chance he got.  At one point he goes "HEY GUZAN....... YOU WENT FROM PLAYING IN LONDON TO PLAYING IN CHESTER, PENNSYLVANIA........ CHESTER!!!!!!!!!  THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!  YOU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK"

My 11yr old looks at me and says "yeah he's kinda right"

 
Reminds me of when we went to see ATL in PHL back in August.  We had a guy sitting behind us heckling Guzan every chance he got.  At one point he goes "HEY GUZAN....... YOU WENT FROM PLAYING IN LONDON TO PLAYING IN CHESTER, PENNSYLVANIA........ CHESTER!!!!!!!!!  THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!  YOU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK"

My 11yr old looks at me and says "yeah he's kinda right"
In fairness, I'm not sure Birmingham, Hull, and Middlesbrough aren't at least as depressing as Chester, PA. 

I mean he "used to play in London" to the same extent he now plays in New York and LA.  Only as a visitor.

:droppingEurosnobKnowledge:

 
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I don't understand the concern here.  What is the difference if you watch the game on your tv streaming vs cable vs satellite?  The picture quality of the ESPN streams is fantastic and look great on a big screen tv.

Is the issue more that you can't DVR the stream?
This.  I work from home and can watch games on my TV in my office, but I can't stream on my work PC.  So if I have to stream, then it is on a laptop or tablet.  But, today I had a dentist appointment at 3, so I would like to come home and watch the DVR of the game.  As it is, I will watch a replay stream after work.

 

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