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The Football Association is investigating the transfer of Brazilian Adryan last summer and a possible issue of third-party ownership. Cellino said he was meeting FA officials about the issue today (Thursday) but insisted there was no case for him to answer and that everything had been above board.



Add this to the Cameron Stewart case; to the legal cases still looming over Cellino in Italy; to the fact he hasn't bought the ground or training ground, as promised; that the club is desperately short of both coaching and administrative staff; to the fact pre-season still hasn't been organised; to the fact there isn't a head coach in place for next season - and you get the picture of a club in disarray.
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Leeds Leeds Leeds!

 
Native said:
B Maverick said:
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/manchester-united-agree-deal-for-psv-eindhoven-striker-depay-050715

Manchester United have agreed a deal with PSV for striker Memphis Depay, subject to the 21-year-old passing a medical once the transfer window opens.
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They now have four strikers - Van Persie, Rooney, Falcao and Depay. Have to assume Falco is gone. But that still leaves three very expensive forwards. Will they let Van Persie go?
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Saw a rumor yesterday that De Gea will sign as long as United signs Falcao too. They have the same agent.

Not sure whats going to happen. Could see RvP going if the right offer came in.

 
B Maverick said:
Native said:
B Maverick said:
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/manchester-united-agree-deal-for-psv-eindhoven-striker-depay-050715

Manchester United have agreed a deal with PSV for striker Memphis Depay, subject to the 21-year-old passing a medical once the transfer window opens.
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They now have four strikers - Van Persie, Rooney, Falcao and Depay. Have to assume Falco is gone. But that still leaves three very expensive forwards. Will they let Van Persie go?
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Saw a rumor yesterday that De Gea will sign as long as United signs Falcao too. They have the same agent.

Not sure whats going to happen. Could see RvP going if the right offer came in.
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I have to think Falcao will go back to Spain. This spell for him has been disasterous.

 
Native said:
B Maverick said:
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/manchester-united-agree-deal-for-psv-eindhoven-striker-depay-050715

Manchester United have agreed a deal with PSV for striker Memphis Depay, subject to the 21-year-old passing a medical once the transfer window opens.
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They now have four strikers - Van Persie, Rooney, Falcao and Depay. Have to assume Falco is gone. But that still leaves three very expensive forwards. Will they let Van Persie go?
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Depay isn't a true #9, is he? Wasn't he was playing on the wing in the World Cup with Persie and Huntelaar rotating at 9?

No way Falcao stays when this loan is up. I could even see them buying another attacker. For sure if they sell RVP.

 
Sebowski said:
Native said:
B Maverick said:
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/manchester-united-agree-deal-for-psv-eindhoven-striker-depay-050715

Manchester United have agreed a deal with PSV for striker Memphis Depay, subject to the 21-year-old passing a medical once the transfer window opens.
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They now have four strikers - Van Persie, Rooney, Falcao and Depay. Have to assume Falco is gone. But that still leaves three very expensive forwards. Will they let Van Persie go?
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Depay isn't a true #9, is he? Wasn't he was playing on the wing in the World Cup with Persie and Huntelaar rotating at 9?

No way Falcao stays when this loan is up. I could even see them buying another attacker. For sure if they sell RVP.
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Yes, I think Depay is being brought in to play wide. Spurs had been pursuing him to play wing, but clearly not an option once ManUtd and LVG were interested.

 
For anyone with access to Dox Deportes, this game should be fun. I know travel will likely prohibit it but some day I would love to see MLS teams in the Copa.

Copa Libertadores Round of 16: RIVER PLATE-BOCA JUNIORS (live) 8 pm.

 
I just saw this on ESPN.com:

"Depay, a winger who can also operate as a centre-forward, will give United more competition on the flanks, where record signing Angel Di Maria, Juan Mata, Ashley Young and Adnan Januzaj can also play.

Another United winger, Nani, has spent the season on loan at Sporting Lisbon and has said he is unsure what his future holds."

I'm guessing Januzaj goes on loan. Nani gets sold, Rvp might be sold. Young, who has looked good this season, hits the bench as well.
 
Looks like the Kevin Prince Boateng to the NY Red Bulls rumor is picking up steam.

Separate reports have him already in negotiations with the league and the Red Bulls used the league mechanism to give them first rights to signing him.

He would be a nice signing but it looks like NY would be battling Galatasaray to sign him.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Looks like the Kevin Prince Boateng to the NY Red Bulls rumor is picking up steam.

Separate reports have him already in negotiations with the league and the Red Bulls used the league mechanism to give them first rights to signing him.

He would be a nice signing but it looks like NY would be battling Galatasaray to sign him.
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Boateng is still south of 30, right? wow- major signing if true.

Is Xavi still off the plate?

meanwhile, Raul is scoreless at NY Cosmos.

 
El Floppo said:
NewlyRetired said:
Looks like the Kevin Prince Boateng to the NY Red Bulls rumor is picking up steam.

Separate reports have him already in negotiations with the league and the Red Bulls used the league mechanism to give them first rights to signing him.

He would be a nice signing but it looks like NY would be battling Galatasaray to sign him.
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Boateng is still south of 30, right? wow- major signing if true.

Is Xavi still off the plate?

meanwhile, Raul is scoreless at NY Cosmos.
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Xavi was looking linked to a team in Saudi I think but the media may have jumped the gun on that.

If he does come to MLS it might be with NYCFC and not Red Bull.

 
Soulfly3 said:
For those that know what this is/care.. Pretty interesting stuff and gonna cause some chaos in a year or so.

Updated UEFA ranking for 2014/15 season (5/5/2015):

1- Italy 18.5

2- Spain 18.357

3- Germany 15.571

4- England 13.571

5- France 10.916
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Is it still only the top three that get four spots?

Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.

 
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GoFishTN said:
Soulfly3 said:
For those that know what this is/care.. Pretty interesting stuff and gonna cause some chaos in a year or so.

Updated UEFA ranking for 2014/15 season (5/5/2015):

1- Italy 18.5

2- Spain 18.357

3- Germany 15.571

4- England 13.571

5- France 10.916
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Is it still only the top three that get four spots?
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top -4

ETA - nope top-3, on a running 5-year tally

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Boateng is 28, but doesn't he have chronic knee tendinitis and "don't give a #### itis?" I think he'd be a disastrous DP signing.
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I am not familiar with his health issues. If he does have knee problems, MLS would be horrible for him.

He has played 24 times for Schalke this year across all comps. Last time he played was this past weekend.

 
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GoFishTN said:
Soulfly3 said:
For those that know what this is/care.. Pretty interesting stuff and gonna cause some chaos in a year or so.

Updated UEFA ranking for 2014/15 season (5/5/2015):

1- Italy 18.5

2- Spain 18.357

3- Germany 15.571

4- England 13.571

5- France 10.916
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Is it still only the top three that get four spots?

Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
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Yes you are correct. Only the top 3 countries get 4 UCL spots.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

 
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
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Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.

 
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
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Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
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The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
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Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
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As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?

I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

This is really interesting stuff. Games between Italian and English clubs in the coming year's tourney really have big implications.

 
roadkill1292 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
Click to expand...
Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
Click to expand...
As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?

I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

This is really interesting stuff. Games between Italian and English clubs in the coming year's tourney really have big implications.
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Europa League

 
roadkill1292 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
Click to expand...
Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
Click to expand...
As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

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Maybe #3 below?

1. Each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw (points are halved for matches in the qualifying and play-off rounds).

2. Clubs that reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League, or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Europa League, are awarded an extra point for each round.

3. In addition, four points are awarded for participation in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League and four points for qualifying for the round of 16.

Coefficient calculation

The coefficient is calculated by working out an average score: dividing the number of points obtained, by the total number of clubs representing an association in that season’s two club competitions. The resulting figure is then tallied with the results of the previous four seasons to calculate the coefficient. Where two associations have the same coefficient, the association with the higher coefficient in the most recent season is placed first.

 
Ok, let's look at the points Barca has accumulated. Ten points from five wins in group, four for participating in group, four more for qualifying for final 16. We're up to 18. Then three more advancement points makes 21. Wait. How do they score two-legged knockouts? Like they're two separate games? That might explain it, there's a max 14 additional available if you win it all and you win both legs of the first three rounds plus the final, 18 additional with the extra round in Europa.

Where do I go to find this out?

Still seems almost impossible to average 18.

Crappy Hull (sorry, QG?) getting knocked out right away really hurt PL.

 
Barca is on 31 points

4 points for qualifying for Group

10 points for 5 wins in group

4 points for qualifying for round of 16

1 point for playing in round of 16

4 points for 2 wins in round of 16

1 point for playing in quarterfinal

4 points for winning 2 games in quarterfinal

1 point for playing in semi-final

2 points for 1 win in semifinal

 
italy - through quarterfinals of Europa and CL

Juventus - 24 points

Roma - 12 points

Torino - 14.5 points

Napoli - 20.5 points

Fiorentina - 19 points

Inter - 14 points

With Juventus, Napoli and Fiorentina still generating points

 
Spain - through quarterfinals

Barcelona - 28 points

Real Madrid - 27 points

Atletico - 22 points

Athletic - 11.5 points

Villarreal - 14 points

Sevilla - 20 points

Real Sociedad - 1 point

Barcelona Real Madrid and Sevilla are still generating points

 
The Gator said:
Do the English teams and what points they're still generating... :o
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Arsenal - 21.5 points

Chelsea - 21 points

Man City - 15 points

Everton - 14 points

Spurs - 11 points

Liverpool - 10 points

Hull - 2.5 points

___________ are still generating points

ETA - I am missing 2 points from England somewhere, but can't figure out where they come from.

ETA - missed 2 points for Arsenal in round of 16

 
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Need 6 points to secure 4th with 3 games to go. @ Palace, v Arsenal, @ Hull

:wall: Carrick to miss all 3

:wall: Evans back and avail (PLEASE do not play him)

 
roadkill1292 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
Click to expand...
Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
Click to expand...
As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?

I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

This is really interesting stuff. Games between Italian and English clubs in the coming year's tourney really have big implications.
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Possibly relevant --> England (together with Holland and Ireland) were just awarded an additional Europa League spot for next season through the "Respect Fair Play" ranking system.

 
Good work by Sinn there. I had no idea Spurs guys could do math.

Boy, it's gonna get really testy in PL when/if the leeg loses that fourth CL berth.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
roadkill1292 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
Click to expand...
Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.

England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
Click to expand...
As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?

I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

This is really interesting stuff. Games between Italian and English clubs in the coming year's tourney really have big implications.
Click to expand...
Possibly relevant --> England (together with Holland and Ireland) were just awarded an additional Europa League spot for next season through the "Respect Fair Play" ranking system.
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West Ham in line for spot right now - for games starting July 2nd..., not much turn around time for a team not used to playing in Europa

 
CletiusMaximus said:
roadkill1292 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Spartans Rule said:
GoFishTN said:
Edit: Nevermind, that's just for the past year. Italy is still pretty far back from catching up overall.
Click to expand...
Italy has to get its awful 10-11 and 11-12 off of its average. They have the edge on England over the last 3 years, so EPL teams need to do some damage in the next two seasons to keep that fourth spot.
Click to expand...
The gap will close quite a bit next year.England loses its by far best yearly co-efficient and Italy loses its second worst.

Germany should pass England next season. Then England and Italy will likely battle it out for the last spot in the top 3.
Click to expand...
As I calculate it, the next tournament will start with Italy trailing England by roughly three points. Serie A picks up another four points or so when the 2011/12 points drop off. Those are pretty big ramifications for PL's Big Four, no?I'm having a little trouble with the math, though. How are Spain and Italy averaging 18 points this year? Even with the bonus points, which all of them don't get, winning all your group matches only gives a team 12 points. What am I missing?

This is really interesting stuff. Games between Italian and English clubs in the coming year's tourney really have big implications.
Click to expand...
Possibly relevant --> England (together with Holland and Ireland) were just awarded an additional Europa League spot for next season through the "Respect Fair Play" ranking system.
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Good info, I missed this.

That could work for or against England though right, since it is average points and not total points?

 
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