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NewlyRetired
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This looks to be a fantastic young signing for Atlanta. Argentine players are killing it in MLS, and this kid is just 21 but has been a 1st division pro in Argentina at San Lorenzo (Argentine and Copa Libertadores Champions while he played for them) since he was 17.
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Taylor TwellmanVerified account@TaylorTwellman
Expect @ATLUTD to announce Hector Villalba as a new signing (young DP) in the next 24 hours. Great start from Atlanta!!!
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Taylor TwellmanVerified account@TaylorTwellman
Expect @ATLUTD to announce Hector Villalba as a new signing (young DP) in the next 24 hours. Great start from Atlanta!!!
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Sebowski
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Ned
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CletiusMaximus
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Dortmund have completed the World Cup winning combo, adding Schuerrle (E30mil) to go with Goetze (E26mil). With O. Dembele, Sebastian Rode, Bartra and a few others, die Schwarzgelben have spent over E110mil this summer.
Bonzai
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CGRdrJoe
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Eephus
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
look at that value! It is just sick.
They spent E110 million on 5 excellent players, which still might be less than Man United spends on Pogba alone. Pogbe is fantastic but that is so out of whack value wise.
Dortmund also is not spending themselves into oblivion either. Their net income this summer is only -7.5m Euro's even with adding all that talent because they also made good sales of Hummels, Gundogan, and Mkhitarayan which added up to around 104m Euro's.
CletiusMaximus
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its more than just those 5 - they also got the Guerrerio kid from Ligue 1 and a couple others. I couldn't remember his name when posting earlier but looked him up - E12mil. I'm not confident the Schuerrle and Goetze deals are good business - neither was a regular starter for club or country. In any event, like Leicester, the big money exits are making the headlines, but they seem to be spending wisely for the most part and doing everything they can to stay competitive.
Looking forward to EvilKagawa's take on all this.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
out of whack? Mourinho blamed the start on an athletic trainer, he is the definition of out of whack.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I am hopeful he is more attacking and Schneiderlin plays the holding role. As I mentioned earlier would love to see United go back to a 4-4-2 with Pogba/Scheid in CM and also gets Rashford on the field with Zlatan. Problem is the Rooney getting in the way of everything good.Eephus said:The problem was Pogba didn't do enough bombing runs. He was positioned too deep in the final, especially against a team without a huge attacking threat. I thought France should have moved Griezmannup in more of a free role and allowed Pogba to fill some of the space Antoine vacated.
I'm curious to see how Mourinho uses Pogba. It would be a waste to make him into John Obi Pogs.
ETA: In the RHE all-time tourney, I played Pogba in a narrow box-to-box role as part of a 5-3-2. Both he and Gerrard to his right were given the freedom to attack. We were unbeaten in the sim.
Brady Marino
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YOU MAKE THE CALL!
So, as my appreciation for the Beautiful Game grows, I realize that I don't really have a Bundesliga team I support. In England, it's Liverpool. In Spain, it's Real Oviedo. In Italy, it's Roma. In France...who cares, it's France. Everyone there is PSG's #####.
But I don't have a Bundesliga team. Now, I'm leaning towards Borussia Dortmund because of the Liverpool tie-ins (YNWA and Klopp), but I also have strong German ancestry and I recently learned that the bulk of my family hailed from Steinfeld, which is in between Bremen and Dortmund on the northwest side.
Now, it's closer to Bremen and Hannover than Dortmund, but Dortmund is a pretty large club, so I wonder, if I lived in Steinfeld, if I'd be more inclined to be a Dortmund fan over any other club.
So...YOU MAKE THE CALL! Should I back Klopp's former club, which probably has a similar stature to Liverpool in the Bundesliga, or should I back Werder Bremen, which would probably be like supporting Stoke City and all the fun that entails.
Or do I support someone else like Schalke, Wolfsburg (like this map apparently says I should), or Borussia Munchengnggewfbewhuiugwdbach?
So, as my appreciation for the Beautiful Game grows, I realize that I don't really have a Bundesliga team I support. In England, it's Liverpool. In Spain, it's Real Oviedo. In Italy, it's Roma. In France...who cares, it's France. Everyone there is PSG's #####.
But I don't have a Bundesliga team. Now, I'm leaning towards Borussia Dortmund because of the Liverpool tie-ins (YNWA and Klopp), but I also have strong German ancestry and I recently learned that the bulk of my family hailed from Steinfeld, which is in between Bremen and Dortmund on the northwest side.
Now, it's closer to Bremen and Hannover than Dortmund, but Dortmund is a pretty large club, so I wonder, if I lived in Steinfeld, if I'd be more inclined to be a Dortmund fan over any other club.
So...YOU MAKE THE CALL! Should I back Klopp's former club, which probably has a similar stature to Liverpool in the Bundesliga, or should I back Werder Bremen, which would probably be like supporting Stoke City and all the fun that entails.
Or do I support someone else like Schalke, Wolfsburg (like this map apparently says I should), or Borussia Munchengnggewfbewhuiugwdbach?
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El Floppo
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Brady Marino
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I can't remember...are you a US National Team fan? If so that might open up some various choices for you if you want to be able to follow a US players as part of your adopted team.YOU MAKE THE CALL!
So, as my appreciation for the Beautiful Game grows, I realize that I don't really have a Bundesliga team I support. In England, it's Liverpool. In Spain, it's Real Oviedo. In Italy, it's Roma. In France...who cares, it's France.
But I don't have a Bundesliga team. Now, I'm leaning towards Borussia Dortmund because of the Liverpool tie-ins (YNWA and Klopp), but I also have strong German ancestry and I recently learned that the bulk of my family hailed from Steinfeld, which is in between Bremen and Dortmund on the northwest side.
Now, it's closer to Bremen and Hannover than Dortmund, but Dortmund is a pretty large club, so I wonder, if I lived in Steinfeld, if I'd be more inclined to be a Dortmund fan over any other club.
So...YOU MAKE THE CALL! Should I back Klopp's former club, which probably has a similar stature to Liverpool in the Bundesliga, or should I back Werder Bremen, which would probably be like supporting Stoke City and all the fun that entails.
Pulisic - Dortmund
Wood - Hamburg
Fab - Munchengladbach
Chandler - Frankfurt
Bacon - Werder
Boyd - Red Bull
Morales - Ingolstadt
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I support the US for sure.
The pull for Dortmund grows stronger. I like Pulisic quite a bit.
Native
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Bruce was even with Howe and Dyche as the second-longest tenured PL managers behind Wenger - each with about 4 years of service with their clubs (not in PL). With him gone, Aitor Karanka moves into the top 5 (Mark Hughes moves up to 3rd longest). Managers hired last summer (Bilic, Ranieri, Klopp) are in the top half of the premier league in terms of manager tenure with 1 season of service.
NewlyRetired
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Dortmund is so strong this year that I just posted in the US thread that I fear Pulisic might not even be on the squad to start the season.
If he can make that squad at the beginning of this year, that really will say a lot about him even if he does not play much.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
If he ends up in, say, their Under-19 squad, would that be better or worse for his development you think than playing in MLS?
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Don't think he'd stay on the U-19s. The line to take him on loan would be immense. BVB could just insist on a pull-back clause to protect against injury.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I would say it is better to stay with the Dortmund's U19's but only because he would always have the chance to be brought up (like he was last year when he bounced back and forth).
If you were to tell me the chances of being brought to the first team were identical no matter where he played, then I believe playing against full professionals in MLS would likely be better for his growth than playing at the U19 level.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Interesting perspective from the Arsenal CEO on MLS. He left MLS just as the league started to wake up financially.
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MLS' future depends on developing players - Arsenal CEO Ivan Gazidis
Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis called the rise of MLS in the last five or six years "quite extraordinary," but noted that further growth will depend on the league's ability to develop players.
Gazidis has a unique perspective on MLS and the growth of the game in North America. In 1996, he joined MLS as part of the league's first management team. He went on to serve as MLS deputy commissioner from 2001 until 2008, when he left to join Arsenal's executive ranks.
Next week he'll get to see the league's progress up close when Arsenal takes part in the MLS All-Star game in San Jose, California. But from his perch in London, he likes what he sees out of the league he helped build.
"The globalization of the world, and the increasingly multicultural diverse population of the U.S., all of these things created a really fertile ground for soccer to grow," said Gazidis. "We're seeing that in every single way that you can imagine.
"Soccer in the U.S. is now absolutely a part of the global conversation, it's also a part of the sports conversation in the U.S., and it's also a part of the cultural part of the conversation in the U.S."
Gazidis said he felt the ownership group in MLS is as strong as any league in the world, and he's been impressed with the investment in facilities and stadiums, support from sponsors and broadcast partners, the development of the game on the field, and investments in youth.
"All of these things mean that MLS is developing at a rate I think nobody could have anticipated," he said.
Gazidis stressed that while the league has benefited from signing high-priced players like David Villa, Frank Lampard, and Steven Gerrard, he feels the aforementioned investment in academies and youth players will fuel the next growth phase for the league.
"I think a lot of the story is around the big-name signings that come into the league, and I think they've certainly added a really nice sprinkling of star power, " he said. "It's no longer just one or two teams. Every team has players that you pay money to watch. I think that's fantastic.
"But the real foundations for growth are going to be in the development of American players, the domestic talent. I think MLS there is doing the right thing in investing in youth development, the academy system.
"That's a long-term investment. It's not going to happen overnight. But we're beginning to see these young players that have come through as a product of that system. That has to be the future."
As for the current level of American players, Gazidis felt like progress has been made, but the development of the top-end player is still missing.
"I think the talent pool is certainly deeper, and more consistently at a high level when you look across the league," he said. "I still think there is room to have some truly world-class players coming through the development system, and I think we're beginning to see that.
"They've certainly got some young players that, without naming names, have the potential to be truly world-class. That's there to be developed and I think it will be developed."
MLS commissioner Don Garber has laid out an agenda that includes MLS being one of the top leagues in the world by 2022, and a league of choice for the world's best players.
While that might seem ambitious, Gazidis applauded Garber's approach. He noted that MLS is the world's seventh-best attended league.
"I think there are so many pieces in place," said Gazidis. "It's about the environment that a player has. In terms of everything around the player environment -- stadiums, fans, television coverage, ownership, cultural environment -- those are incredibly attractive and the U.S. is the equal of anywhere in the world in all of these areas.
"The two remaining parts of the environment are obviously money, and MLS is prepared to pay market value for top players and top American players.
"The key element, and what MLS really needs to focus on over the next decade is how they can develop the level of play, how they can develop a league that for the world of football, people acknowledge as one of the best leagues in the world. That's just the final piece of the puzzle, and they're moving in the right direction."
Gazidis added that the growth of the sport in the U.S. isn't just about MLS. The Premier League has benefited as well from increased attention with its games being broadcast in the U.S..
"The increasing level of the sophistication about soccer and the knowledge and passion and commitment the fan base has to the Premier League, mirrors that of the growth of MLS," he said. "So this is really good for everybody that is involved in soccer."
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MLS' future depends on developing players - Arsenal CEO Ivan Gazidis
Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis called the rise of MLS in the last five or six years "quite extraordinary," but noted that further growth will depend on the league's ability to develop players.
Gazidis has a unique perspective on MLS and the growth of the game in North America. In 1996, he joined MLS as part of the league's first management team. He went on to serve as MLS deputy commissioner from 2001 until 2008, when he left to join Arsenal's executive ranks.
Next week he'll get to see the league's progress up close when Arsenal takes part in the MLS All-Star game in San Jose, California. But from his perch in London, he likes what he sees out of the league he helped build.
"The globalization of the world, and the increasingly multicultural diverse population of the U.S., all of these things created a really fertile ground for soccer to grow," said Gazidis. "We're seeing that in every single way that you can imagine.
"Soccer in the U.S. is now absolutely a part of the global conversation, it's also a part of the sports conversation in the U.S., and it's also a part of the cultural part of the conversation in the U.S."
Gazidis said he felt the ownership group in MLS is as strong as any league in the world, and he's been impressed with the investment in facilities and stadiums, support from sponsors and broadcast partners, the development of the game on the field, and investments in youth.
"All of these things mean that MLS is developing at a rate I think nobody could have anticipated," he said.
Gazidis stressed that while the league has benefited from signing high-priced players like David Villa, Frank Lampard, and Steven Gerrard, he feels the aforementioned investment in academies and youth players will fuel the next growth phase for the league.
"I think a lot of the story is around the big-name signings that come into the league, and I think they've certainly added a really nice sprinkling of star power, " he said. "It's no longer just one or two teams. Every team has players that you pay money to watch. I think that's fantastic.
"But the real foundations for growth are going to be in the development of American players, the domestic talent. I think MLS there is doing the right thing in investing in youth development, the academy system.
"That's a long-term investment. It's not going to happen overnight. But we're beginning to see these young players that have come through as a product of that system. That has to be the future."
As for the current level of American players, Gazidis felt like progress has been made, but the development of the top-end player is still missing.
"I think the talent pool is certainly deeper, and more consistently at a high level when you look across the league," he said. "I still think there is room to have some truly world-class players coming through the development system, and I think we're beginning to see that.
"They've certainly got some young players that, without naming names, have the potential to be truly world-class. That's there to be developed and I think it will be developed."
MLS commissioner Don Garber has laid out an agenda that includes MLS being one of the top leagues in the world by 2022, and a league of choice for the world's best players.
While that might seem ambitious, Gazidis applauded Garber's approach. He noted that MLS is the world's seventh-best attended league.
"I think there are so many pieces in place," said Gazidis. "It's about the environment that a player has. In terms of everything around the player environment -- stadiums, fans, television coverage, ownership, cultural environment -- those are incredibly attractive and the U.S. is the equal of anywhere in the world in all of these areas.
"The two remaining parts of the environment are obviously money, and MLS is prepared to pay market value for top players and top American players.
"The key element, and what MLS really needs to focus on over the next decade is how they can develop the level of play, how they can develop a league that for the world of football, people acknowledge as one of the best leagues in the world. That's just the final piece of the puzzle, and they're moving in the right direction."
Gazidis added that the growth of the sport in the U.S. isn't just about MLS. The Premier League has benefited as well from increased attention with its games being broadcast in the U.S..
"The increasing level of the sophistication about soccer and the knowledge and passion and commitment the fan base has to the Premier League, mirrors that of the growth of MLS," he said. "So this is really good for everybody that is involved in soccer."
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Check out Arminia Bielefeld. Great home crowds back in the late 80's when I lived up in that neck of N-R Westfalia.YOU MAKE THE CALL!
So, as my appreciation for the Beautiful Game grows, I realize that I don't really have a Bundesliga team I support. In England, it's Liverpool. In Spain, it's Real Oviedo. In Italy, it's Roma. In France...who cares, it's France. Everyone there is PSG's #####.
But I don't have a Bundesliga team. Now, I'm leaning towards Borussia Dortmund because of the Liverpool tie-ins (YNWA and Klopp), but I also have strong German ancestry and I recently learned that the bulk of my family hailed from Steinfeld, which is in between Bremen and Dortmund on the northwest side.
Now, it's closer to Bremen and Hannover than Dortmund, but Dortmund is a pretty large club, so I wonder, if I lived in Steinfeld, if I'd be more inclined to be a Dortmund fan over any other club.
So...YOU MAKE THE CALL! Should I back Klopp's former club, which probably has a similar stature to Liverpool in the Bundesliga, or should I back Werder Bremen, which would probably be like supporting Stoke City and all the fun that entails.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Bielefeld makes more sense geographically than anyone if I'm going by Steinfeld preference.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
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Brady Marino
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Fun with #s...this thread has 17,599 posts in it, and has been alive for 515 days. That works out to be 34 posts/day. Total views is a bit over 170k, which means on average each post is read 10 times.
Would have guessed more on both counts.
Would have guessed more on both counts.
