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NewlyRetired said:
Almost every single piece of data we have says this looks to be the case.   It is a wonderful time to be a fan after eating scraps for decades.

I found the TV ratings particularly fascinating this week.  Most people assume the EPL is by far and away the most watched soccer league in the US (and the EPL ratings are very good).  This weeks data showed the highest rated EPL game to be the Manchester Derby, as one might expect.

That typically huge draw came in only 5th this week in the soccer ratings on US tv.  4 other games drew higher.  All 4 being Liga MX games.  One Liga MX drew more than double the amount of viewers of the Manchester Derby.

Soccer is hurt in the general public's eyes because of the splintering of the TV data.  But when you add the EPL, MLS and Liga MX ratings, the sport looks extremely healthy. 
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Oh goodie.  Sure, the NFL really helped but who cares :)

This game below nearly doubled the viewership of the Manchester derby.   Keep the good news coming!

Sports TV Ratings– ‏@SportsTVRatings1.298 million for the MLS soccer window on Fox Sunday

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Ned I feel it is important to guide ones children.

As such, please take an eraser and remove Lewondowski and add Pulisic.   :)
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:lol:

He was actually wearing his (Dortmund) Pulisic jersey yesterday.  Says he's going to be him one day. :wub:  

He's angry that Pulisic is only a 68 or whatever on FIFA.  

 
Ned said:
:lol:

He was actually wearing his (Dortmund) Pulisic jersey yesterday.  Says he's going to be him one day. :wub:  

He's angry that Pulisic is only a 68 or whatever on FIFA.  
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:lmao: ...my 10 yr old son actually wrote a letter to FIFA decrying Totti's rating, & when his older brother pointed out that Francesco was 40 yrs old & slow, a "fistfight" followed (I allowed it).  He insists FIFA player ratings are determined by 'Ainglish programmers (this anti-Anglo bent must come from his mother :unsure: ).  I just wish his homework was as thorough, determinate & passionate as  that letter...

 
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Ned said:
:lol:

He was actually wearing his (Dortmund) Pulisic jersey yesterday.  Says he's going to be him one day. :wub:  

He's angry that Pulisic is only a 68 or whatever on FIFA.  
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:lmao: ...my 10 yr old son actually wrote a letter to FIFA decrying Totti's rating, & when his older brother pointed out that Francesco was 40 yrs old & slow, a "fistfight" followed (I allowed it).  He insists FIFA player ratings are determined by 'Ainglish programmers (this anti-Anglo bent must come from his mother :unsure: ).  I just wish his homework was as thorough, determinate & passionate as  that letter...
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:lmao:  writing a letter is top notch shtick!  Tell me you took a pic of it...

I didn't see you on Friday - WTF

 
Ned said:
:lmao:  writing a letter is top notch shtick!  Tell me you took a pic of it...

I didn't see you on Friday - WTF
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:ph34r:

...I dare you to tell him it was shtick!

seriously though, severe ligament tear...I blame it on jumping out of those trees...

@The Gator...or was it my roof? :unsure:

 
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omg. from the nytimes


Formed this year and currently playing in the Essex Alliance Premier League — the 12th tier of England’s competitive soccer pyramid — United London F.C. claims to be the world’s only managerless club. In place of a traditional coach, the team’s business model brings together elements of reality TV voting and player analytics similar to those used in video gamesand by scouts. It employs a fantasy football-style system that awards or deducts points to the team’s fans (acting individually as managers) based on whether their selections make the starting 11, score or record an assist, or play a role in posting a shutout.

“In nonleague football, there’s not much in the way of eyeballs, because the Premier League just takes over everything,” North, 38, said. “That’s where we want to be different, in that we are building an online fan base, rather than a localized one.”

To date, more than 2,000 people have signed up with the club, which played its first competitive match in early September. The team claims support from fans in Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Sweden and the United States.

Each week, those fans vote on United London’s starting lineup by reviewing player statistics, scouting reports and videos of previous weeks’ matchesposted online by the club. After voting closes each Friday, the squad for Saturday’s match is announced.

“I think it’s cool because it keeps the club’s supporters involved,” said John Frusciante, a 19-year-old from Aberdeen, N.J., who recently signed up. “The fans have more input than, say, at Real Madrid. Zidane isn’t going to ask you if Ronaldo should be starting or not.”

North said the idea behind the team came to him last year while he and his wife were watching TV on a Saturday night. Tired of ballroom dancing shows and singing contests, North, who worked in financial recruitment at the time, began devising ways to apply the reality TV voting model to soccer.

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Like the contestants on such shows, players for United London have something at stake in each week’s voting. While researching how to find players for a grass-roots team, North realized he might be able to mine the large number of academy prospects that are released by English professional clubs each season.

After this highly competitive annual cull, many players abandon their hopes of professional soccer, around age 18. United London has positioned itself as a second chance for such players; the club’s badge depicts a phoenix rising from flames.

“A lot of players, by the time they get to 18, 19, 20, they haven’t got a résumé,” said Jon Willis, the head of recruitment at the Football Careers Centre, an organization that helps place former academy players with new clubs, and who helped organize United London F.C.’s summer trials. Willis said United London allowed players to reset their career path, or try to attract the attention of a new club. “This program is interesting,” Willis said, “because they record every game. It’s going to put people in the shop window.”

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Already, United London F.C. has created a diverse squad of second-, third- and even fourth-chancers, among them a Turkish youth international; a player who, the club claims, was the fourth-fastest soccer player in Britain last year; and the nephew of an England international striker.

“Right now, I don’t really think about it,” Georges Kekota, a player who once played in the third tier of Belgian soccer, said of fans’ having the power to pick, or cut, players. At 26, Kekota is one of the oldest members of the team. “If you play,” he said, “you know it’s because people like you, the way you play and what you bring to the team.”

For now, United London supporters can influence the team’s lineup only before matches. On a basic-looking website — North admitted that it had had some growing pains — fans are met with a formation empty of players that they can fill by selecting names from drop-down menus beneath each position. Clicking on a star above a player selects him as the captain, earning the manager double points for that player’s performance. As technology improves, North said, the club would like to allow fans to make in-game decisions on substitutions and other questions. For now, those decisions, and practice sessions, are handled by United London staff members.

North would not reveal how many of those 2,000-plus fan-managers are active users. The reason, he said, is that knowing such information could allow him and his staff to manipulate voting for the players they prefer.

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However, North did joke that results so far had shown that he was perhaps not the best person to be making such decisions anyway. His role at the club includes such start-up tasks as putting up the nets before matches, but he also sits down every Sunday to count every pass, tackle and shot from the previous day’s match, so that fans have the information they need to vote during the week ahead. That has not lent him much of an insider advantage, though, when he picks his own lineup.

Last week, he said: “I was only ranked seventh — some guy from Sweden was top of the leaderboard. And I should know everyone!”

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shader said:
The Manchester Derby was on at like 4AM Pacific time...
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That is true.  But even when the games are on at a semi decent hour, its not like they are all of sudden drawing like 3 million viewers.

Last year the top 5 EPL games drew between 1.1 and 1.25 million viewers.  All of those games started at 12:00pm or later eastern time.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
That is true.  But even when the games are on at a semi decent hour, its not like they are all of sudden drawing like 3 million viewers.

Last year the top EPL games drew between 1.1 and 1.25 million viewers.  All of those games started at 12:00pm or later eastern time.
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does the DVR kicking in count as being "watched"?

 
El Floppo said:
does the DVR kicking in count as being "watched"?
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The DVR numbers are factored in if watched within 24 hours of the event being shown live.

The reported ratings we see in the recent years are called "live + same day" which accounts for the 24 hours of DVR use.

There are also the rarely reported numbers that account for both 3 day and 7 day DVR totals.

 
Ned said:
:lol: that's creative.  Who handles the training during the week?  And which one of you is that with the blue bag?  
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staff takes care of training and subs... but would be superawesome if it could be handled remotely- say by the person who wins each week? nice way to destroy a career.

 
The cool part of that was the way they weight the fans' ballots based on the their previous performances. Keeps the trolls out and requires everybody participating to give it their best shot. A group of us did something like that for one of those old fantasy football contests some years back. We tracked all the partners' ballots and how their selections performed compared to everyone else's, then reduced or increased their influence in the ensuing week's lineup selections.

Futbol for the people, of the people and by the people. 

 
roadkill1292 said:
The cool part of that was the way they weight the fans' ballots based on the their previous performances. Keeps the trolls out and requires everybody participating to give it their best shot. A group of us did something like that for one of those old fantasy football contests some years back. We tracked all the partners' ballots and how their selections performed compared to everyone else's, then reduced or increased their influence in the ensuing week's lineup selections.

Futbol for the people, of the people and by the people. 
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Spoken like a true, unchurched leftist...

How bout that Rodriguez "kid" last week?  Hopefully a portent of things to come...

 
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Ned said:
I was at my 7yr old's open house at school tonight. I was going through his stuff and came across this in his Imagination Journal.  I literally LOL'ed while the teacher was yammering away. Friggin kid is obsessed. 

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/yamaha395/272BFC1E-C395-4472-93A2-C2439E296602_zps3q4rww8y.jpg
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:thumbup:   This is awesome!

My 7 year old daughter (while I was watching the NFL last night)

"I dont get football.  I get soccer.  I would prefer to watch soccer.  No i like to play soccer more then watching it."

"Are our Chargers playing?" (no they won yesterday)

"Is our Manchester United playing?" (no they lost yesterday)

"WHAT?? Thats Bad."

 
Cant wait for tomorrow when Northamptontown knocks United out of the League Cup so they can....ah hell, not sure what they will concentrate on.

:devil:

 
El Floppo said:
@Sinn Fein

congrats.

messi to spurs. 
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:thumbup:

Looking forward to seeing him play tomorrow - he just went 90 in a 2-6 loss to the Lilliputian U21s, so I think he'll be on the bench.  I saw him play a little this summer - he has grown a little, but he is still small and needs to add some strength.  He is a "butt-out-of-seat" type of player in terms of his ability to dribble in traffic.  Still a bit left-footed.  There were several clubs trying to poach him from Spurs, including Barca, so Spurs had to promise him some game time over the next couple of years. 

ETA - he's not Messi - maybe Lederman...

 
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Kane update for those interested:

ali z: i was told he will be out minimum 6 weeks but no guarantee and he could be out a lot longer, depends how quickly he heals all players heal at different rates. Impossible to say for sure it will be 6 weeks or 4 months, just have to learn to cope without him then get back fresh and firing.

 
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Sinn Fein said:
Kane update for those interested:

ali z: i was told he will be out minimum 6 weeks but no guarantee and he could be out a lot longer, depends how quickly he heals all players heal at different rates. Impossible to say for sure it will be 6 weeks or 4 months, just have to learn to cope without him then get back fresh and firing.
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Who is taking his spot... that Dutch cat, right?

 
Jaysus said:
Who is taking his spot... that Dutch cat, right?
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Yes - Janssen will be starting in Kane's absence.  There is still a bit of match congestion over the next few weeks, so we might see a false 9 in a game or two, but Janssen will be getting the bulk of the workload.

 
Big early season test for Bayern today as the Bundesliga has an "Englishe Woche".  Bayern hosts Hertha today, and both teams enter 3-0-0 and on top of the table with 9 points.  Borussia Dortmnund and Eintracht Frankfurt both won yesterday to get to 3-0-1 and have 9 points as well.

Borussia Dortmund 3-0-1 9 13-3 +10
Bayern München 3-0-0 9 11-1 +10
Hertha Berlin 3-0-0 9 6-1 + 5
Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0-1 9 5-2 + 3


Thus far Berlin has beaten Freiburg 2-1, at Ingolstadt 2-0, Schalke 2-0.
Bayern - Werder Bremen 6-0, at Schalke 2-0, Ingolstadt 3-1

As you can see, only three weeks in, but two common opponents.

:popcorn:

 
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Sinn Fein said:
Yes - Janssen will be starting in Kane's absence.  There is still a bit of match congestion over the next few weeks, so we might see a false 9 in a game or two, but Janssen will be getting the bulk of the workload.
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I like what I've seen of Janssen so far- hard-working dirk kuyt kind of guy. haven't seen enough to gauge the upside, but so far- it's not a Kane upside (ability to will a goal out of next to nothing). maybe once he starts scoring, he'll unleash the hounds.

Son has looked really good too- those two together could cause some fits. 

plus there's always messi.

 
El Floppo said:
I like what I've seen of Janssen so far- hard-working dirk kuyt kind of guy. haven't seen enough to gauge the upside, but so far- it's not a Kane upside (ability to will a goal out of next to nothing). maybe once he starts scoring, he'll unleash the hounds.

Son has looked really good too- those two together could cause some fits. 

plus there's always messi.
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To be fair, Kane has only 2 goals this season - both tap-ins.  Janssen won't have to do much to match that output.  Spurs really wanted Batshuayi, who would have been a rather dynamic replacement for Kane.  Janssen is how you described him - hard-working, able to hold the ball up - much more similar to Kane.  We will have to see if he has the energy levels that Kane had, and he will have to find the back of the net, before he is diagnosed with Soldadoitis.

But, the bigger point is valid - Spurs will have to continue to get scoring from the attacking midfielders.  Son has looked good, Alli, Lamela, and Eriksen have shown in the past that they can score - now they will have to step up - albeit one of them will be coming off the bench as long as Son is in form.  Add in Sissoko, and its a solid rotation and leaves good options on the bench.

 
Euro 2020 host cities:

Munich

Baku

Rome

St Petersburg

Brussels

Copenhagen

Budapest

Amsterdam

Dublin

Bucharest

Glasgow

Bilbao

London (semi-finals and final at Wembly)

Someone ask Gary Johnson where Baku is.

 
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