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***OFFICIAL Steelers 2005 draft Warroom*** (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Second that MATT JONES
Franknbeans
Footballguy
1)Justin Miller2)Marlin Jackson3)Matt Jones
i disagree with the matt jones lovers out there. not because of the player--i hardly know anything about jones except for the hype surrounding his speed and height. this is NOT the position the steelers need to address. losing burress will deplete the receiving corps, no doubt, but the steelers have more pressing needs. in addition, a raw receiving talent is not going to carry us into the super bowl next year. think immediate impact, not a long term project.top priority IMHO is to generate some pass rush without the blitz. that means an aggressive defense tackle who can come in and play the 3-4 right away. if we don't go D Line, then think O Line. the whole right side is gone--i think it deserves some attention.look for a speed WR in round 2 and maybe a CB in a later round. kevin colbert likes the depth of the speed players in this draft.
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
I agree that Jones would likely be a project, but I also think he could contribute this next season as well. Generating a pass rush using only the D Line for the Steelers is a pipe dream. That's not what they are designed to do in my opinion. The Dline is there to clog up the middle and to free up the linebackers to make plays. How it has always been, and how it remain in the forseeable future. We could use some help on Oline for sure, but is there really anyone that is gonna be there when we draft that could come in and make an immediate impact on our Oline. Not that I see, unless somebody slides...With that said, and with our experience in converting players to new positions, bring on Jones.......He's just too good to pass up.
jurb26
Footballguy
This defeats the entire purpose of using a 3-4 D. The D's FOCUS is BLITZING to create a pass rush and confusion for the QB/Oline. Pitt is a set at DT as a 3-4 team can possible get as well. Have you forgoten about hampton (IMO the best 3-4 DT in the NFL) and Hoke? Hoke is more than a viable replacement for Hampton which we saw last year.I think the Steelers focus should be CB, T, DE, then WR and TE.
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CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
I would thing the Steelers would go after Heath Miller if he's still there (probably not) or another DE before OLB type since they are a bit weak and old at DE.
David Bass is the player I most covet. He could come in and start to guard if Simmons isn't healthy and would hopefully be our future center.Marcus Johnson is another player the Steelers will heavily consider with his ability to play both guard and tackle. Effectively backing up both of our weakest line needs.Unless they are ready to give up on Ike Taylor I don't see the need at CB.DE is the other position I can see them addressing. A replacement for Kimo is badly needed.
Heath Miller almost the only pick they could make I would be disappointed with. Do they need a TE...yes. I would much rather have a TE in the 3rd or 4th though. Heath Miller will be a very good player, but he's not a good fit for the Steelers. The Steelers, despite what they might say, would fail to fully utilize him.Bloom mentioned Shaun Cody, I only slighty prefer him over Bass but I don't think he'll be there when they pick.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Justin Miller just got arrested this weekend. I don't think the Steelers will touch him now.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I do not want MJones or HMiller in the first round. Roddy White? Baas? Matt Roth? I'm ok with any of those.edit typo
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Edit: They = SD. Gotcha. Thought you were hoping for williamson gto be there for PGh at 30. Misread.
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Hot Dogs and Roethlisbergers
Footballguy
I want Brodney Pool to be there at our pick. I think Matt Jones is over-hyped.
Just curious, why Poole? I'm assuming you'd like him to take over for Chris Hope. I thought Hope did a fine job last year.Another guy who probably won't be there, but could be depending on how things shake out is Kalif Barnes. I'd didn't think there was a chance he'd be there, but looking at some mocks today, it may not be as remote as I first thought.
i think out of houston, carolina, at least one take an OT, and out of st louis and jax, again at least one will take an OT - then it becomes a question of whether at least one of each pass on an OT, and whether barnes gets past the BPA teams in the 20s.all in all i think its unlikely as OT is such a premium position and a great position for BPA teams to take.
I completely agree with you. He shouldn't be there, just pointing out some of the mocks I've looked at today have him available at the Steelers pick. And have the Steelers passing on him. Edit to say...This may actually say more about the variability/inaccuracy of mocks than anything else.
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Steel City
Footballguy
From what I've heard, the Steelers think the draft is deep at CB and WR. Unless it is truly a manner of "best player available" and one of these guys sits at the top of their board, I don't see them taking a Marlin Jackson/Matt Jones type with the #1 pick. TE is a need, and if Heath Miller is available (and I don't think the chances are as good as most people think), the Steelers will be faced with a tough decision. But, when it comes down to it, I think they will make the pick at a position that 1) makes sense at the end of round one, 2) fills a major need, and 3) is relatively safe. They should go offensive line. I will never forget the disaster of two years with the line. It's imperative they get a guy that can play both guard and tackle and is good enough to give Starks a run for his money. We lost two starters from last season. Kendall Simmons should be fine (barring another injury) but Max Starks is a HUGE question mark. Behind them, the Steelers have nothing....crap. If the Steelers feel like they have a team that make another run, they must take care of this line in a big way on Saturday. So, my prediction for the Steelers #1 pick in the 2005 draft is Marcus Johnson, OG, Mississippi. Johnson played guard in college but is projected by many teams as a right tackle. Big and good, long arms, said to be able able to handle the speed guys (which is why he is projected as a possible tackle). With all that said, I will be surprised by nothing they do this weekend. Johnson (or another lineman), Heath Miller, or Matt Jones picks would all make me happy. I just really hope they bring in a couple guys who can help this line at some point.
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
With two first round picks and high priced center on the interior O-line I'd be very disappointed with a guard in the 1st round. You can add depth there later. I saw Scouts Inc has them selecting OT Khalif Barnes at 30. Probably a good pick but I'd prefer a CB or big/blazing WR. I think it is unlikely we are going to get a starter at #30 unless it is a TE or OT so might as well go for upside with a guy like Matt Jones if they feel he is more than just a combine wonder. Agreed with those that believe Heath Miller is a poor fit. Unless the Steelers change the way they do business I don't see him being worth a #1 pick in their O. I'd be happy with any of these players at 30:Marlin Jackson CB (only if they see him as a corner)Khalif Barnes OTMarcus Johnson (only if they think he can play OT in the NFL)Roddy White WRMatt Jones WR (although Chris Henry would be a better pick in the 2nd or 3rd)
Um, have I been under a pile of rocks? Where did we get 2 first round picks and a high priced center? 
I know we have an old center with questionable knees coming to the end of his career and his contract is getting as big as it will ever get, but we definitely need to start thinking about his replacement.If I have missed a whole lot of something please let me know.I would rate the Steelers needs as follows:T (Don't have any real info on Starks)DE (Kimo has been really good, but is getting old)WR (Need somebody tall who can catch the ball)TE (Only really needed if they can't get a Burress replacement)RB (Bettis has to retire soon and I don't see Duce far behind)LB (No depth at all)CB (A mixture of young and old question marks with solid potential)But honestly, it is very hard to rank them. The only things we really don't need are safety's, fullbacks, quarterbacks, or defensive tackles (unless they project to move to DE)
I know we have an old center with questionable knees coming to the end of his career and his contract is getting as big as it will ever get, but we definitely need to start thinking about his replacement.If I have missed a whole lot of something please let me know.I would rate the Steelers needs as follows:T (Don't have any real info on Starks)DE (Kimo has been really good, but is getting old)WR (Need somebody tall who can catch the ball)TE (Only really needed if they can't get a Burress replacement)RB (Bettis has to retire soon and I don't see Duce far behind)LB (No depth at all)CB (A mixture of young and old question marks with solid potential)But honestly, it is very hard to rank them. The only things we really don't need are safety's, fullbacks, quarterbacks, or defensive tackles (unless they project to move to DE)
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Steelers interior O-Line:Alan Faneca, Steelers Pro Bowl Left Guard, 1st round pick 1998Um, have I been under a pile of rocks? Where did we get 2 first round picks and a high priced center?
If I have missed a whole lot of something please let me know.
I would rate the Steelers needs as follows:
T (Don't have any real info on Starks)
DE (Kimo has been really good, but is getting old)
WR (Need somebody tall who can catch the ball)
TE (Only really needed if they can't get a Burress replacement)
RB (Bettis has to retire soon and I don't see Duce far behind)
LB (No depth at all)
CB (A mixture of young and old question marks with solid potential)
But honestly, it is very hard to rank them. The only things we really don't need are safety's, fullbacks, quarterbacks, or defensive tackles (unless they project to move to DE)
Kendall Simmons, Steelers Right Guard, 1st round pick 2002
Jeff Hartings, Steelers Pro Bowl Center, 2005 Cap Hit $5.8 million, 2006 Cap Hit $6.3 million
Chucky Okobi, Steelers Back-up Center, 2005 Cap Hit $1 million, 2006 Cap Hit $2.2 million, 2007 Cap Hit $2.2 million
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
That's exactly what we need. Another Slash, but one that doesn't have his heart set on being the QB.
we already have other 'slash' players, notably Randle El.how about some mid-round predictions? i like Kay Jay Harris out of West Virginia as a potential replacement for the Bus in 2006. he has similar skills and will probably be available at the end of the 3rd round. if he drops to the 4th, i hope we grab him.
The word is, since Bettis will be back this year they don't have plans to draft a RB. Personnally I think that's a mistake. If they were to take a RB Cedrick Houston would be my preference.2nd - DE Chris Canty, Elton Brown (he's slipping some, will it be enough), Could one of the LB's be here (Thurman, Rudd, Crowder), Tackle Adam Terry
3rd - Chris Henry (They standardly stay away from guys with character issues), TE Kevin Everett -- I'm sure others can project into the 3rd and beyond much better than me.
I would be quite happy with Bass/Canty/Everett
please, oh please, do not draft Chris Henry. are you listening Bill? Kevin? this kid is trouble--no football sense, no brains, not a team player. i hope some other team (like the Raiders maybe) waste a pick on him.seriously, i think he has too many off-the-field issues for the steelers. we generally stay away from risks like Henry.
mid round possibilities from oghma's needs:
WR
chris henry, WVU (already mentioned - ideal deep threat, but character issues which the steelers usually stay away from)
mark bradley, oklahoma(another great deep threat, still raw, played in clayton's shadow - hidden upside)
terence murphy, texas a&m (again, a deep threat, tons of upside)
CB
Ronald Bartell, Howard (in the mold of colclough, taylor - small school guy with tremendous upside who will be a project)
Stanley Wilson, Stanford (workout warrior, just seems to have the makeup that the steelers like)
DE
Chris Canty, Virginia
Jonathan Babineaux, Iowa
Lorenzo Alexander, Cal (all 3 project as nice 3-4 DEs)
OT
Logan Mankins, Fresno St. (can play G and OT, great intangibles which makes him a "Steelers guy")
RB
Kay Jay Harris, WVU
Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois
Eric Shelton, Louisville (all power backs that could be the heir to bettis)
TE
Kevin Everett, Miami
Bo Scaife, Texas (best of the receiving TEs after smith and miller)
jerome Collins, Notre Dame (coverted LB who is probably the best athlete at the TE position in this draft, unless you count jones)
LB
Robert McCune, Louisville
Lance Mitchell, Oklahoma
Alfred Fincher, Uconn
Kirk Morrison, SD St
Mike Goolsby, Notre Dame (all of these guys are hard-nosed leaders who would give the steelers a smart hard-hitting backup at ILB - i think their OLB depth is ok with James Harrison - if they go OLB itll probably be another undersized DE)
WR
chris henry, WVU (already mentioned - ideal deep threat, but character issues which the steelers usually stay away from)
mark bradley, oklahoma(another great deep threat, still raw, played in clayton's shadow - hidden upside)
terence murphy, texas a&m (again, a deep threat, tons of upside)
CB
Ronald Bartell, Howard (in the mold of colclough, taylor - small school guy with tremendous upside who will be a project)
Stanley Wilson, Stanford (workout warrior, just seems to have the makeup that the steelers like)
DE
Chris Canty, Virginia
Jonathan Babineaux, Iowa
Lorenzo Alexander, Cal (all 3 project as nice 3-4 DEs)
OT
Logan Mankins, Fresno St. (can play G and OT, great intangibles which makes him a "Steelers guy")
RB
Kay Jay Harris, WVU
Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois
Eric Shelton, Louisville (all power backs that could be the heir to bettis)
TE
Kevin Everett, Miami
Bo Scaife, Texas (best of the receiving TEs after smith and miller)
jerome Collins, Notre Dame (coverted LB who is probably the best athlete at the TE position in this draft, unless you count jones)
LB
Robert McCune, Louisville
Lance Mitchell, Oklahoma
Alfred Fincher, Uconn
Kirk Morrison, SD St
Mike Goolsby, Notre Dame (all of these guys are hard-nosed leaders who would give the steelers a smart hard-hitting backup at ILB - i think their OLB depth is ok with James Harrison - if they go OLB itll probably be another undersized DE)
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that we had 2 first round picks this year. I will return to my rock pile now.Steelers interior O-Line:Alan Faneca, Steelers Pro Bowl Left Guard, 1st round pick 1998Um, have I been under a pile of rocks? Where did we get 2 first round picks and a high priced center?
If I have missed a whole lot of something please let me know.
I would rate the Steelers needs as follows:
T (Don't have any real info on Starks)
DE (Kimo has been really good, but is getting old)
WR (Need somebody tall who can catch the ball)
TE (Only really needed if they can't get a Burress replacement)
RB (Bettis has to retire soon and I don't see Duce far behind)
LB (No depth at all)
CB (A mixture of young and old question marks with solid potential)
But honestly, it is very hard to rank them. The only things we really don't need are safety's, fullbacks, quarterbacks, or defensive tackles (unless they project to move to DE)
Kendall Simmons, Steelers Right Guard, 1st round pick 2002
Jeff Hartings, Steelers Pro Bowl Center, 2005 Cap Hit $5.8 million, 2006 Cap Hit $6.3 million
Chucky Okobi, Steelers Back-up Center, 2005 Cap Hit $1 million, 2006 Cap Hit $2.2 million, 2007 Cap Hit $2.2 million
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I'd think we would have to be all over this guy if he is there in the second round (62nd overall).
Ditto for this kid if he's there in the 4th (assuming we didn't get Shelton).Thoughts?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I know the Steelers don't see RB as a pressing need, so they may not draft Shelton/Harris. The main reason why I have been clamoring for an RB in this draft is the depth. A quality back can be had in rounds 4-5, which typically is more of a crapshoot - this is a deep RB draft, so why not take advantage of that and get a guy who may be your #1 in the future. Unless they think Haynes/Parker has that potential ?
it would definitely be exciting to see sproles in black and gold, but i think other teams will have him much higher than we will on their draft boards - i think its more important for us to take a power back to be the heir apparent to bettis than an elusive X-factor/return guy - if we were set on having that kind of player, i think jerome mathis makes more sense because we could use the WR depth.I think ARE will still be the return man, #2 WR or not - he's so dependable and is finally learning to turn it upfield right away instead running towards the sideline.
Pittsburgh P
Footballguy
nightshift
Footballguy
More Parker than Haynes. It seems Cowher likes Willie and I would not be surprise him in the #3 position this year with Bettis, #2 without. (The Bus will be back!)Speakin' of Haynes, has he signed his offer sheet? Haven't seen it reported anywhere...
parker has one good weapon - straight line speed. im happy to have him in the offensive attack as a change of pace back and think he's perfect for draw plays and screen passes, but a future center of the rushing attack, he is not.edited for spelling and words left out.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm with you here. I think Shelton, if by some miracle he's there in round 3, would be a good pick. Round 2 might be a bit early - the guy has never even been an every down back in college. He's big and pretty fast, but doesn't have the feet of a Bettis.
nightshift
Footballguy
If the Steelers do not draft a RB this year, then I say that could be a good signal that they disagree with your assessment.Parker was a raw recruit last year - he's got some great mentors right now.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Willie Parker will never be a 25 carry a game RB but he could be great in tandem with a bullish back, maybe even Haynes. Let's not forget this kid put up 100+ at Buffalo last year in a game Buffalo needed desperately. Bottom line in my opinion if you have a very good O-line that is opening holes you don' t need LT running through them.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Hearing rumors now that Health Miller is much more a frontrunner than was previously thought...
steelerfan1
Footballguy
coming up guys.who you think?roddy whiteheath millerk.barnesd.baass.codyj.miller???????????????
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
C'mon Heath Miller. 
HellToupee
Footballguy
As a NE fan looking at the Steelers I think Heath Miller would be a great pick for them.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
I like the Miller pick. I sure was watching Marcus Johnson with my one good eye, though, until a couple of picks ago. That kid might have been worth trading up for in Round 2.
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