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Agreed. They'd have to spend a 6th to get him in all likelihood, but I think he's worth it. He can punt too, if Sepulveda ever got hurt again (he'd be a below average NFL punter, but only just barely - and he's good at putting the ball inside the 20.)
Excellent question. Reed has been a liability on kickoffs for a long time. I would like to say that he couldn't be worse but then again he might be. The Steelers didn't waste a whole lot of time looking so apparently he isn't that bad. I guess if worse came to worse Sepulveda could do kickoffs. He seemed to have the same distance as Reed which surprised me.As for Reed I have heard that Cincinnati is showing an interest. The Bengals play the Steelers on Heinz Field on 12/12 and you can imagine the kind of reaction he is going to get from Steelers fans. If he thought it was bad before just wait and the best part is I will be sitting 5 rows up from where the kickers normally warm up in the net. Fun times!!!!
Hard to believe Reed only attempted a 50+ yard FG 4 times...And wouldnt 2 of those be this year?Yeah, he's worse from 30-39, but overall those numbers are better than I wouldve expected. Cant complain too much but wouldve liked them hold on to Reed a couple weeks to see what Suisham did first, but Im guessing with all our injuries our roster space hindered that more than usual.
I guess to front offices it might not be, but the difference between a 6th and 7th is splitting hairs to me. Id gladly spend a 6th round pick on a guy like this over some other position where he'll 90% of the time get cut.
They will be 6-4 with 6 games remaining in the regular season...??Honestly, not sure what you are looking for here.
I don't think the Reed release has any effect on them. If anything, they are happy. He had become a distraction.The main concern is the woeful state of the offensive line against a dominant Oakland defensive line. You would think they would call some screens to offset the pressure, but nothing comes as a surprise anymore with OC Arians.A loss would suck for sure, and it's not out of the realm of possibility, obviously. The thing they need to remember is they are still tied for the division lead (technically a half game back of Baltimore at the moment) and it's no reason to panic. The rate of injuries is distressing, but they need to focus and beat a good Raider team at home.
Yeah was just wondering if there would be anymore fallout, and yeah the playcalling has been kind of strange. Should be a great game though at least this sunday...
Very good point that people sometimes overlook. It's the inexplicable losses to the bad teams that are the backbreakers. PIT has beat decent teams this year in Atlanta, Tennessee and Miami. Win the games you should win, hopefully beat a couple of the elite teams along the way, and get to the playoffs. Anything can happen from there.
Yes, but he's still young and learning. Timmons didn't flash all that much when he first started, and neither did Polamalu. Time will tell with Ziggy.
I have not heard Tomlin make any specific comments about the play calling this season. However there was a report (supposedly leaked by Bruce Arians himself) that he had been fired. Obviously this turned out not to be the case and there were rumors that Roethlisberger was the one lobbying heavily to retain Arians. During the offseason Steelers president Art Rooney III made strong statements about getting back to running the ball which is what the Steelers did in the first four games. Since Ben's return the play calling has been more balanced although last week they got behind early and the Steelers pretty much abandoned the run even though they were having some success.
You guys don't watch the same games I do, I swear. Prior to Ben's return, the Steelers were more run heavy, but they were also mixing up the play calling, running more screens and generally keeping the defenses guessing, at least a little. Since Ben's been back (particularly in the New Orleans game and also in the Pats game) it seems like there is a run-run-pass philosophy. First three quarters in New Orleans they were calling plays like Arians was Joe Paterno - so determined they were to 'be a running team'. Against the Patriots, it was the same thing for the first couple of drives. And then, when they give up on run-run-pass and finally decide to throw on first down, it is on a jailbreak screen to the WR. We aren't taking any deep shots early in the game, which might back off the safeties and open up the running game. The play calling is TOO conservative. I want a balanced attack as much as the next guy, but there are multiple ways to achieve that. It seems to me the Steelers are thinking that because they are the Steelers they need to go out there and establish their dominance in the run game first, impose their will on their opponents, and then open it up from there. Well, you know what, you're not going to do that with Johnathan Scott and Ramon Foster. Get more creative in the play calling early. Take a deep shot or two. Be less predictable. Then as the game progresses, run more to balance. I'm sick of Arian's play calling not because we don't run, but because we're running at all the wrong times. The Saints ENTIRE defensive backfield was out and we didn't throw a pass over 15 yards downfield for three quarters.If they try this against the Raiders, they'll lose.
Sure. Why not? With the porous O-line, blitz to stop the run and secondarily mark the QB. Against the Pats, the WRs weren't breaking off their routes. Once Ward was out, it took 1/2 the game for Wallace to start making the hot read. Ben didn't make the quick throw against the Bengals, when he did against the Pats, his receivers weren't making the plays.
IB: I didn't comment on Arians play selection. I only stated a fact that they have been running less and throwing more since Ben's return. I agree that Arians is all too predicatable, especially on first down and that his favorite pass seems to be the WR screen that normally is good for a 3 yard gain. You are absolutely right that the timing of the plays called is as important as the actual plays called. All that being said, the fact was they were having some success on the ground last week against a team that was gouged by Hillis for over 180 yards. Had it not been for a couple dropped passes, the most critical by Randel El in the endzone, they would have been tied 10-10 at the half.Arians deserves a large protion of blame for the Steelers lack of success on offense but players have to execute too. There have been far too many drops of easy passes and failures in run blocking in short down situations to just pin it on the play calling. This team is capable of much better and need to start executing before the season slips away as it did last year.
Totally agree, Id throw in the ATL game with the same frustrating run-run-pass philosophy after our first drive that game, although thats slightly different since Ben wasnt playing.With how bad our OL is, Im still waiting for Arians to realize there is a thing called a 3 step drop and throw some quick slants to Hines, Sanders, and 60 Minutes
No, he was fined because he drilled Brady from behind after the play, which drew a flag. That kind of hit is always gonna be a penalty nowadays, and apparently a fine, too. We can debate all day whether or not it should have been a penalty or a fine, but to say he just pushed him is absurd.
Particularly when the Sanders hit didn't draw one.What Roger's telling me by his actions is this: those are only helmet-to-helmet hits when a Steelers' player delivers the blow. If they receive one, it's 'just football.'
a late push certainly deserves a flag.surprise? show me another fine on a late push.
watch the replay again. He wasn't drilled and there is no way it should have been a fine. It's become a Mickey mouse league.
I would not argue if a flag was thrown on the play, but to fine a player later for a late push is getting ridiculous.
Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
He's a Steelers fan and posting in the official Steelers thread. The more salient question is what you're doing in here throwing out stinky bait?Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
It's a Steelers thread, and not a Steelers Fans only thread... Not like a fans only thread would fly around here anyways... Just pointing out your home boys double standard..He's a Steelers fan and posting in the official Steelers thread. The more salient question is what you're doing in here throwing out stinky bait?Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
You're a terrible fisherman. There is a difference bet/ pushing someone late out of bounds (which is worthy of a flag) and sucker "punching/hitting" someone in the face. If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you. Your hatred for Ben is clouding your ability to be objective.Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
By the way, not sure who you are but most people who know me will tell you that I'm one of the more objective Steelers fans on the board. If you want to attack me personally, find some better bait...........Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
It's not a double standard at all. In fact, it's an absurd comparison. When a player deliberately hits another player, for whatever reason, there needs to be an eviction and a fine. Nobody in their right mind would argue that. When a player tackles another player in a game situation, there are rules as to what is legal and what isn't. In the case of James Harrison's tackle yesterday, I don't believe those rules were violated. I think any objective person who watches that play in slow motion would agree with me. And it's especially troublesome, because that play not only gave the Raiders a 1st down but cost the Steelers a touchdown. In a closer game, that score might have been decisive. That being said, I don't blame the refs. They don't get to see the play in slow motion. At full speed it may very well have appeared to be a dirty hit. That's why I would propose a very simple rule- anytime the refs believe there is a questionable hit that may deserve a penalty, they should stop play and review. I know this would add time to the game but I think it's important to get these calls right. I am sympathetic with the NFL wanting to avoid serious injuries and concussions; I simply believe the rules should be applied fairly and consistently, and this would be one way to do it.
No way. Games would last five hours, as they would be reviewing questionable hits on every other play. Also, trash talk happens in every sport. I don't care if Roethlisberger told Seymour that he hopes his wife and kids die in a fire, you can't hit a player like that. Seymour is a thug and should be fined heavily and probably suspended.
Being out of bounds doesn't warrant a push, touching someone/getting in their face when they don't want to be touched does...You're a terrible fisherman. There is a difference bet/ pushing someone late out of bounds (which is worthy of a flag) and sucker "punching/hitting" someone in the face. If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you. Your hatred for Ben is clouding your ability to be objective.Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
You're right. I think we should allow sucker punching in all sports actually.............
You do realize that players get in the face of other players after probably every single play in the NFL, right? If that were the case, I guess players should be pulling a Seymour after every play, right? And yet we never see that. Well, almost never.
Then at least allow coaches to challenge those penalties in the same way as they are allowed to challenge plays.
There's a long list of reasons why Ben needs a smack in the face.. It's not bait... Ben is a do uche bag... Yesterday he put his hands on someone wasn't a female and was bigger than him... And he was served.. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the Steelers, I dislike Ben for the way he is, and his apologists for their blind logic in defending him..By the way, not sure who you are but most people who know me will tell you that I'm one of the more objective Steelers fans on the board. If you want to attack me personally, find some better bait...........Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
Being out of bounds doesn't warrant a push, touching someone/getting in their face when they don't want to be touched does...You're a terrible fisherman. There is a difference bet/ pushing someone late out of bounds (which is worthy of a flag) and sucker "punching/hitting" someone in the face. If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you. Your hatred for Ben is clouding your ability to be objective.Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
Ok well this at least sheds some light on your stance. I agree with you about Ben as a person. I think he was/is a ##### bag and time will tell if he remains a ##### bag or has the ability to change. Putting all of that aside, I'm trying to look objectively at that specific incident. In my opinion, that move by Seymour was worth of an ejection and a suspension. If any Steeler player did that, I would say the same thing. You can't sucker "punch/hit" someone in any sport without serious repercussions.There's a long list of reasons why Ben needs a smack in the face.. It's not bait... Ben is a do uche bag... Yesterday he put his hands on someone wasn't a female and was bigger than him... And he was served.. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the Steelers, I dislike Ben for the way he is, and his apologists for their blind logic in defending him..By the way, not sure who you are but most people who know me will tell you that I'm one of the more objective Steelers fans on the board. If you want to attack me personally, find some better bait...........Aren't you the guy who was just bit chin about the slap Seymour gave Ben?.. lol I bet you'd like to see him fined.. right? You call it a mickey mouse league but you expect your boy Ben should be able to get in peoples faces and mouth off without repercussion... He got popped, it happens all the time, and he deserved it... Get over it...Should have known I'd find you in a Steelers thread...
Happens nearly every game... Guys get into pushing matches, spit on each other, hit, kick.... cheap shot.... It happens all the time..I've played football, I currently coach football, and I watch football. It's an adrenaline filled, aggressive sport. You run up and grab someone after the play when they're walking away from you, you should expect a bad reaction... Talking trash is one thing..
Dude - you should have stopped a long time ago. To say that you are actually a football coach in the context of what you find to be reasonable is pretty pathetic. What if one of your players sucker-punched another player and the other player just simply walked away. Would you then hit your player? Afterall, your guy should have expected a bad reaction.
C'mon PhD, he's got an agenda and no matter how deep the hole is, he'll keep diggin.He came into the Steeler team thread accusing people of being homers? Duh. I mean that should tell you plenty that he's just lookin to argue and spew his garbage point of view.I'd love to see the "team" he coaches...lol. He's probably the guy who runs on the field and hits the 10 yr old from the other team...
Of course I'd be looking for a penalty.... Never said he shouldn't be penalized... If one of my players where taunting a player on the other team after we scored and he got leveled, I'd tell him he got what he deserved... And they know that.. Not like there was irreversible damage done or anything, he got put on his a ss for being a d ick.. A well deserved smack in the face is what I saw..We're talking about football.. When I played, if we had trouble with a player on our team, inside or outside of football.. We were allowed to go at it on the football field, in full gear, and when it was over, win or lose, we shook hands.. The sport is violent, don't cry because your jerk of a QB got put in his place....PhD said:
