***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2011 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Kenny Powers]

It looks like the majority of mocks have us taking Aaron Williams..what are yinz guys thoughts about him?? Does he look like a better CB prospect/fit than Harris and Dowling? Jimmy Smith doesnt look like an option unless they trade up, which I doubt, especially for him.

ETA: is there not a message board on steelers.com anymore?? Cant find it

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

for whatever it's worth, some guy on the scout site compiled data from 25 mock drafts and here's the results for Pgh in rd 1

Brandon Harris CB Miami 4 votes

Danny Watkins OT Baylor 3 votes

Nate Solder OT Colorado 2 votes

Derrek Sherrod OT Miss St 2

Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 2

Mike Pouncey OG Florida 2

Aaron Williams CB Texas 2

Rodney Hudson G Florida 2

Phil Taylor NT Baylor 1

Cameron Heywood DE Ohio St 1

Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 1

Ben Ijalana OT Villanova 1

Adrian Clayborn NT Iowa 1

 

[BigSteelThrill]

TCU's OL Marcus Cannon diagnosed with Lymphoma

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/26/tcus-cannon-diagnosed-with-lymphoma

Posted April 26, 2011 @ 12:45 p.m. ET

By Eric Edholm



PFW has confirmed reports that TCU OL Marcus Cannon has been diagnosed with lymphoma just days prior to the NFL draft.

The good news for Cannon is that it appears to be a treatable form of lymphoma. Results of the tests were sent to all 32 teams.

PFW draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki, who had rated Cannon as a top-50 pick prior to the diagnosis, says Cannon now could slide a round or two based on the new information. Some teams will remove him from their draft boards based on this development, even though his treatment could be completed by June.

Cannon is expected to receive chemotherapy treatment for the disease. Although the low end for the timetable could be 12 weeks, it could be as long as 24 months before Cannon could continue his football career.

There earlier were reports that Cannon had testicular cancer, which were debunked.

:(

That just sucks.

Best of luck and health to MR Cannon.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan did a live mock yesterday where they went back and forth swapping picks starting from #1 and making the picks on the spot based on their draft boards and team needs to try to approximate how things would unfold. Steelers ended up getting Muhammad Wilkerson in round 1 and Curtis Brown in round 2.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan did a live mock yesterday where they went back and forth swapping picks starting from #1 and making the picks on the spot based on their draft boards and team needs to try to approximate how things would unfold. Steelers ended up getting Muhammad Wilkerson in round 1 and Curtis Brown in round 2.

And Taiwan Jones in Rd. 3.Didn't like the Wilkerson pick one bit.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan did a live mock yesterday where they went back and forth swapping picks starting from #1 and making the picks on the spot based on their draft boards and team needs to try to approximate how things would unfold. Steelers ended up getting Muhammad Wilkerson in round 1 and Curtis Brown in round 2.

And Taiwan Jones in Rd. 3.Didn't like the Wilkerson pick one bit.

They did a 3rd round? Damn it, I thought they were stopping after 2, so I got out of the car and didn't turn it back on inside.Don't like the Wilkerson pick based on fit or the player? I didn't hate it, he's a good fit at end in their defense.If I'm the Steelers, I'm burning up the phones trying to trade down into the top half of round 2. Lot of good players sitting there in the 40s in that mock that could be good fits in Pittsburgh (Dowling, Paea, Clayborn, etc.) and you could really get some value for that #31 pick with the amount of QBs that flew off the board between 34-40.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan did a live mock yesterday where they went back and forth swapping picks starting from #1 and making the picks on the spot based on their draft boards and team needs to try to approximate how things would unfold. Steelers ended up getting Muhammad Wilkerson in round 1 and Curtis Brown in round 2.

And Taiwan Jones in Rd. 3.Didn't like the Wilkerson pick one bit.

They did a 3rd round? Damn it, I thought they were stopping after 2, so I got out of the car and didn't turn it back on inside.Don't like the Wilkerson pick based on fit or the player? I didn't hate it, he's a good fit at end in their defense.If I'm the Steelers, I'm burning up the phones trying to trade down into the top half of round 2. Lot of good players sitting there in the 40s in that mock that could be good fits in Pittsburgh (Dowling, Paea, Clayborn, etc.) and you could really get some value for that #31 pick with the amount of QBs that flew off the board between 34-40.

I don't think you should ever burn up the phones trying to trade down. You need to have somebody desperate to move up to get the best deal.

 

[Steel Dillo]

I get the feeling that all the recent draft focus on a CB in the 1st is a smoke screen & the Steelers end up taking an OL first.

But I could also see them trading up in the 2nd to nab a DB if one they like slides to the middle of the round.

My predicted order for the draft:

1st - OL

2nd - CB

3rd - DL

4th - LB

5th - DB

6th - OL

7th - QB/WR/RB

They address obvious needs with the first 6 picks & take a flyer on either an athletic jack of all trades type QB, a tall WR or a 3rd down RB with the 7th pick.

The reason I have them taking a DB in the 5th instead of just a CB is that I think they could possibly take a safety with cover skills there instead of a CB.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I get the feeling that all the recent draft focus on a CB in the 1st is a smoke screen & the Steelers end up taking an OL first.But I could also see them trading up in the 2nd to nab a DB if one they like slides to the middle of the round.My predicted order for the draft:1st - OL2nd - CB3rd - DL4th - LB 5th - DB6th - OL7th - QB/WR/RBThey address obvious needs with the first 6 picks & take a flyer on either an athletic jack of all trades type QB, a tall WR or a 3rd down RB with the 7th pick.The reason I have them taking a DB in the 5th instead of just a CB is that I think they could possibly take a safety with cover skills there instead of a CB.

:boner:

 

[Kenny Powers]

I wouldnt mind a OL in the first round, but unless Carimi drops there likely isnt gonna be much if any value there, no? The one thing I really dont want them to do is trade up for Bro Pouncey which seems to be the word going around.

Seems like DL or CB will likely have more value at 31..Trading down if they could get a good 3rd or something for it wouldnt bother me either if it was for Dowling especially in early-mid 2nd, but also Wisniewski, Paea. I liked Clayborn but that Erb's Palsy scares me. Might be early for Kenrick Ellis but maybe use their own 2nd on him then. Id like to see Ziemba or Chekwa in the 3rd, if he's still there in the 4th, Greg Jones seems like a really underrated ILB.

Bad news for Cannon, but I actually hope the Steelers still target him. Dont know which type of lymphoma it is, but Hodgkins is much more treatable than non-Hodgkins. Either way, neither should prevent him from being any worse of an NFL player down the line. Much less of a risk than Clayborn's Erb's palsy IMO, Cannon's stock just drops more because he likely wont be available in 2011. Seems like the type of guy the Steelers wouldnt mind giving a chance. Id love him in the 5th, I wouldnt be opposed to him in the 4th

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I wouldnt mind a OL in the first round, but unless Carimi drops there likely isnt gonna be much if any value there, no? The one thing I really dont want them to do is trade up for Bro Pouncey which seems to be the word going around.Seems like DL or CB will likely have more value at 31..Trading down if they could get a good 3rd or something for it wouldnt bother me either if it was for Dowling especially in early-mid 2nd, but also Wisniewski, Paea. I liked Clayborn but that Erb's Palsy scares me. Might be early for Kenrick Ellis but maybe use their own 2nd on him then. Id like to see Ziemba or Chekwa in the 3rd, if he's still there in the 4th, Greg Jones seems like a really underrated ILB.Bad news for Cannon, but I actually hope the Steelers still target him. Dont know which type of lymphoma it is, but Hodgkins is much more treatable than non-Hodgkins. Either way, neither should prevent him from being any worse of an NFL player down the line. Much less of a risk than Clayborn's Erb's palsy IMO, Cannon's stock just drops more because he likely wont be available in 2011. Seems like the type of guy the Steelers wouldnt mind giving a chance. Id love him in the 5th, I wouldnt be opposed to him in the 4th

He is a great value at the end of the 3rd. I am not so sure he misses all of 2011 and who know how much of a 2011 season there will be.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

From Dale Lolley:

Here's my feeling on the odds on who will be the Steelers' top pick Thursday when the NFL draft begins:Aaron Williams, DB, Texas (2:1) - The odds on favorite if he falls. Though Williams ran in the mid-4.5 range at the combine and looked stiff in the hips, he was much quicker, sub-4.4, at Texas' pro day. His size also gives him an edge over Miami's Brandon Harris. Williams could eventually shift to free safety to replace Ryan Clark.Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (Fla.) (4:1) - There's a chance Williams won't be available when the Steelers pick. Harris is the draft's next best corner and has a lot of upside. At 5-9 1/2, he's lacking in ideal size, however.Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State (6:1) - Sherrod is the most likely of the linemen to fall, not counting Danny Watkins, who's just too damned old. He would tempt the Steelers despite their DB need.Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State (6:1) - If Williams and Sherrod are gone, it could come down to Harris or Heyward. The defensive line isn't the glaring need that the secondary is.Trade down (8:1) - There will be a number of teams looking to move up from the early to mid-second round if they don't take a QB in the first round. The Steelers could slide back 10 to 15 spots and still take a DB such as Virginia's Ras-I Dowling.Mike Pouncey, G, Florida (10:1) - This would require a trade up, something the Steelers are open to. If he gets past the Giants at 19, Pouncey could be in play for the Steelers. Tampa coach Rahim Morris and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin are very close and the Bucs own the 20th pick.Rahim Moore, S, UCLA (10:1) - A sleeper pick here. Moore's one of the best playmakers available and was coached by new Steelers defensive backs coach Carnell Lake. Some teams feel he's got the quickness to play corner and he's open to such a move. Like Williams, he ran better at his on-campus workout than he did at the combine.

 

[pecorino]

i think Clayborn fits as an end in the 3-4, not at nose tackle. i see him (and ziggy hood) as eventual replacements for Aaron Smith and Keisel. for my money, there are no draftable 3-4 nosetackles in this draft after Phil Taylor and he's being overvalued due to low supply.word on the Pittsburgh radio stations lately is that the brass have man-love for Mike Pouncey. no kidding, but are they willing to trade up to get him? with the glowing success and solid character of his twin, i say yes--steelers send a 3rd round pick to move up 10 or 12 spots and grab him. fans here would go ballistic with joy.

i recall watching Clayborn play for Iowa over the past two years and drooling over the kid. i would love to see the steelers get him in the first. i don't think his character issues warrant him falling out of the first, do they?

I can't see him fitting in the 3-4

It's possible, but he might be a little small. First time I saw his measurables listed, they had him at 6' 4" 290, which is damn near prototypical, if a touch on the short side. But then, at the combine, I think he measured in at 6' 2" and 280 or something close to that. However, his primary strength seems to be as a run defender - he only had 3 1/2 sacks his senior year and doesn't seem to have a ton of pass rush upside. I think ultimately, his best fit may be to tack on 20-25 pounds and play as a 4-3 DT.

 

[3C's]

i think Clayborn fits as an end in the 3-4, not at nose tackle. i see him (and ziggy hood) as eventual replacements for Aaron Smith and Keisel. for my money, there are no draftable 3-4 nosetackles in this draft after Phil Taylor and he's being overvalued due to low supply.

word on the Pittsburgh radio stations lately is that the brass have man-love for Mike Pouncey. no kidding, but are they willing to trade up to get him? with the glowing success and solid character of his twin, i say yes--steelers send a 3rd round pick to move up 10 or 12 spots and grab him. fans here would go ballistic with joy.

i recall watching Clayborn play for Iowa over the past two years and drooling over the kid. i would love to see the steelers get him in the first. i don't think his character issues warrant him falling out of the first, do they?

I can't see him fitting in the 3-4

It's possible, but he might be a little small. First time I saw his measurables listed, they had him at 6' 4" 290, which is damn near prototypical, if a touch on the short side. But then, at the combine, I think he measured in at 6' 2" and 280 or something close to that. However, his primary strength seems to be as a run defender - he only had 3 1/2 sacks his senior year and doesn't seem to have a ton of pass rush upside. I think ultimately, his best fit may be to tack on 20-25 pounds and play as a 4-3 DT.

fire up the Kenrick Ellis tape...

#97

350 lbs, moves really well, spent all day in the backfield, couldn't be blocked with just one guy.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Aaron Williams, DB, Texas

This is thee pick.Only if a OT slides or if a another player they have ranked in the top 16 (or so) overall becomes a available will it change.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Aaron Williams, DB, Texas

This is thee pick.Only if a OT slides or if a another player they have ranked in the top 16 (or so) overall becomes a available will it change.

If he is gone, then its the best option at one of 5 positions (OT/OG/CB/DE/DT) with Ras-I Dowling getting heavy consideration, even if it includes a small move down.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://thesidelineview.com/2011/04/2...t-mock-drafts/

The Pittsburgh Steelers don’t care about mock drafts

By Lance Zierlein

There are few teams in football more respected on draft day than the Pittsburgh Steelers. What makes the Steelers so respected is not just the fact that they have a track record of finding good football players, but they’ve also created a mindset of “Steeler football” and they stay true to that mindset/philosophy.

My dad coached the offensive line for the Steelers from 2007-2009 and despite what most people think, I rarely got inside information from him while he was there. In fact, he was always so jammed up with work that our discussions usually centered around a couple of brief discussions regarding offensive line play during the season and how his grandchildren were doing. During the draft process, I would ask questions about some offensive line prospects from time to time, but that was the extent of it.

Recently, over Tex-Mex, he began telling me about how the Steelers go about the draft process and I found it to be fascinating. In Pittsburgh, Kevin Colbert runs the draft but has Mike Tomlin helping to make decisions and there is a balance between the scouting department and position coaches. The Steelers pecking order isn’t what fascinated me, but rather, the manner in which they put together their draft board is what caught my attention.

Stacking The Board

After all of the readings of players are finished and the evaluations are complete, the Steelers will then stack their draft board. While other teams try and predict what teams ahead of them will do, the Steelers decided that predicting what other teams would do was a waste of time. I will keep the nuts and bolts about how the Steelers draft process works to myself, but I love their overall approach. The Steelers only care about what they can control which is their own draft board.

The Steelers create their draft board based on a mock draft where only the Steelers pick. They make picks 1 thru 32 in the first round for themselves based on Steelers football and their philosophies on both sides of the ball. While every team stacks their draft board based on how the grades that they have on players in all positions, the Steelers are able to put together a true “big board” based on their judgements of talent, fit to the system, need and character.

Have you ever been at the horse races and you are in line to make your wagers but you aren’t quite sure what your game plan is going to be? You end up making way too many bets and you come away with tickets that you didn’t really want. The same thing has probably happened to you in fantasy football drafts. With their method, the Steelers are able to operate within the first two rounds with a checklist that they rarely have to deviate from. Sure, they may make go off script based on how the draft is unfolding, but they know who they are and what they want to do when they are on the clock.

Mock drafts? You can keep them. The Steelers only care about the Steelers.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan did a live mock yesterday where they went back and forth swapping picks starting from #1 and making the picks on the spot based on their draft boards and team needs to try to approximate how things would unfold. Steelers ended up getting Muhammad Wilkerson in round 1 and Curtis Brown in round 2.

And Taiwan Jones in Rd. 3.Didn't like the Wilkerson pick one bit.

They did a 3rd round? Damn it, I thought they were stopping after 2, so I got out of the car and didn't turn it back on inside.Don't like the Wilkerson pick based on fit or the player? I didn't hate it, he's a good fit at end in their defense.If I'm the Steelers, I'm burning up the phones trying to trade down into the top half of round 2. Lot of good players sitting there in the 40s in that mock that could be good fits in Pittsburgh (Dowling, Paea, Clayborn, etc.) and you could really get some value for that #31 pick with the amount of QBs that flew off the board between 34-40.

I don't think you should ever burn up the phones trying to trade down. You need to have somebody desperate to move up to get the best deal.

Agreed, that was poorly worded. The best deal they're going to get is when they're on the clock and someone wants to vault a handful of spots to get the QB they want.

 

[hammerva]

To all the people who thinks we need an OL in the first round I just have one question

Did you actually watch the Super Bowl?

Listen I agree that our O line is still pretty weak and if you can move up and get a Mike Pouncey then I would be happy but geez our corners are such crap right now. Our best corner is Ike Taylor and he is extremely overrated. The Pack should have put up over 40 with all the blatant drops. We made Jordy Nelson into a top 10 WR with that game alone.

Cornerback, cornerback, cornerback.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'll be honest, I am not thrilled with the prospect of drafting Williams. I'm not convinced he's fast or fluid enough to be a consistently good man-to-man corner, and the Steelers really need their corners to be guys who can take a WR on an island and shut them down. I think I'd prefer Harris and maybe Dowling (definitely Dowling if not for the injury concerns) to Williams, and they could trade down a few spots and get one of those guys.

If they could trade, say, pick #31 and to a team like Oakland and get picks #48 and #81 back (works out to within 5 points on the pick value chart), they could do some nice things. That would give them #48, #63, #81, and #95. Looking at a top 100 board and their needs, they could very easily end up with :

48 - Ras-I Dowling, Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson

63 - Allen Bailey, Orlando Franklin, Chimdi Chekwa, Curtis Brown

81 - Kenrick Ellis, Marcus Gilbert, Christian Ballard, Shane Vereen

95 - Taiwan Jones, Clint Boling, Shareece Wright, Greg Salas, Tandon Doss, Jerell Powe, Brandon Burton

This would enable them to get at least 1 OL prospect, a NT/DE, a corner, and a big receiver or speed back before the end of round 3, with 4 more picks to use on developmental prospects and/or a PK (Henery).

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I'll be honest, I am not thrilled with the prospect of drafting Williams. I'm not convinced he's fast or fluid enough to be a consistently good man-to-man corner, and the Steelers really need their corners to be guys who can take a WR on an island and shut them down. I think I'd prefer Harris and maybe Dowling (definitely Dowling if not for the injury concerns) to Williams, and they could trade down a few spots and get one of those guys.If they could trade, say, pick #31 and to a team like Oakland and get picks #48 and #81 back (works out to within 5 points on the pick value chart), they could do some nice things. That would give them #48, #63, #81, and #95. Looking at a top 100 board and their needs, they could very easily end up with :48 - Ras-I Dowling, Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson63 - Allen Bailey, Orlando Franklin, Chimdi Chekwa, Curtis Brown 81 - Kenrick Ellis, Marcus Gilbert, Christian Ballard, Shane Vereen95 - Taiwan Jones, Clint Boling, Shareece Wright, Greg Salas, Tandon Doss, Jerell Powe, Brandon BurtonThis would enable them to get at least 1 OL prospect, a NT/DE, a corner, and a big receiver or speed back before the end of round 3, with 4 more picks to use on developmental prospects and/or a PK (Henery).

EVERYBODY seems to be giving us Williams now. I'm with you on him. Especially since I think he's more of a safety and I think our top need is CB.

 

[3C's]

Agreed. Not sold on williams as a cb (but he is fast enough). Apparently tomlin likes him though.

 

[expo86]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

 

[Steel Dillo]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

Only if he is someone they really rank that high. They moved up to get Troy when it was an obvious need & the player they really wanted.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

If he gets into the 20's, they need to be on the phone. They shouldn't give up the farm though.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I'll be honest, I am not thrilled with the prospect of drafting Williams. I'm not convinced he's fast or fluid enough to be a consistently good man-to-man corner, and the Steelers really need their corners to be guys who can take a WR on an island and shut them down. I think I'd prefer Harris and maybe Dowling (definitely Dowling if not for the injury concerns) to Williams, and they could trade down a few spots and get one of those guys.If they could trade, say, pick #31 and to a team like Oakland and get picks #48 and #81 back (works out to within 5 points on the pick value chart), they could do some nice things. That would give them #48, #63, #81, and #95. Looking at a top 100 board and their needs, they could very easily end up with :48 - Ras-I Dowling, Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson63 - Allen Bailey, Orlando Franklin, Chimdi Chekwa, Curtis Brown 81 - Kenrick Ellis, Marcus Gilbert, Christian Ballard, Shane Vereen95 - Taiwan Jones, Clint Boling, Shareece Wright, Greg Salas, Tandon Doss, Jerell Powe, Brandon BurtonThis would enable them to get at least 1 OL prospect, a NT/DE, a corner, and a big receiver or speed back before the end of round 3, with 4 more picks to use on developmental prospects and/or a PK (Henery).

EVERYBODY seems to be giving us Williams now. I'm with you on him. Especially since I think he's more of a safety and I think our top need is CB.

I could see him contributing in the nickel for now and eventually taking over for Clark. That wouldn't be a bad thing. I like him more than Harris. I would rather see a DL pick in the 1st, but it all depends on who has been taken.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I'll be honest, I am not thrilled with the prospect of drafting Williams. I'm not convinced he's fast or fluid enough to be a consistently good man-to-man corner, and the Steelers really need their corners to be guys who can take a WR on an island and shut them down. I think I'd prefer Harris and maybe Dowling (definitely Dowling if not for the injury concerns) to Williams, and they could trade down a few spots and get one of those guys.If they could trade, say, pick #31 and to a team like Oakland and get picks #48 and #81 back (works out to within 5 points on the pick value chart), they could do some nice things. That would give them #48, #63, #81, and #95. Looking at a top 100 board and their needs, they could very easily end up with :48 - Ras-I Dowling, Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson63 - Allen Bailey, Orlando Franklin, Chimdi Chekwa, Curtis Brown 81 - Kenrick Ellis, Marcus Gilbert, Christian Ballard, Shane Vereen95 - Taiwan Jones, Clint Boling, Shareece Wright, Greg Salas, Tandon Doss, Jerell Powe, Brandon BurtonThis would enable them to get at least 1 OL prospect, a NT/DE, a corner, and a big receiver or speed back before the end of round 3, with 4 more picks to use on developmental prospects and/or a PK (Henery).

EVERYBODY seems to be giving us Williams now. I'm with you on him. Especially since I think he's more of a safety and I think our top need is CB.

I could see him contributing in the nickel for now and eventually taking over for Clark. That wouldn't be a bad thing. I like him more than Harris. I would rather see a DL pick in the 1st, but it all depends on who has been taken.

I see DL as a distant third behind CB/OL in terms of need, so unless the BPA is a DE by a longshot over CB/OL, I'd much prefer CB/OL.That said, if it is anything but one of those three positions, my brain will burst. (cue the LB/WR pick)

 

[3C's]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

that would be interesting. guess who is at #20...TB. Tomlin and Morris are friends. Maybe they could work a deal (through their GM's/directors of course).

 

[Steel Dillo]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

that would be interesting. guess who is at #20...TB. Tomlin and Morris are friends. Maybe they could work a deal (through their GM's/directors of course).

According to the draft pick calculator, we'd have to give up our 2nd pick to make it happen. We are team B in the calculation below.Trade TotalsTrade A Value: 850Trade B Value: 884Gain/Loss %Trader A: +4.00%Trader B: -3.85%

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

that would be interesting. guess who is at #20...TB. Tomlin and Morris are friends. Maybe they could work a deal (through their GM's/directors of course).

According to the draft pick calculator, we'd have to give up our 2nd pick to make it happen. We are team B in the calculation below.Trade TotalsTrade A Value: 850Trade B Value: 884Gain/Loss %Trader A: +4.00%Trader B: -3.85%

I watch a decent amount of Nebraska football (not like McIntyre, but I see 4-5 games a year) and I think Amukamara is a bit overrated. I think where he's falling to in some mocks recently is where he's belonged all along, not in the top 7-10 picks. That said, I'd LOVE to have him, but I'm not entirely sure he's worth a 1st and 2nd rounder. He's definitely a Steelers type of guy though, high character, smart, active in the community - exactly the kind of guy they would want, especially these days.

 

[steelcityman]

trade down, get Paea from Oregon St early in 2nd, then trade up from #62 and get Brandon Harris.

Take OL, WR and RB after that, hope to get something out of them down the road.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

trade down, get Paea from Oregon St early in 2nd, then trade up from #62 and get Brandon Harris.Take OL, WR and RB after that, hope to get something out of them down the road.

I'd love to see Paea early in the second, but they'd undo what they'd done by trading down if they trade back up for Harris. If they trade down and draft Paea, I'd rather see them sit tight at #62 and take a guy like Curtis Brown or Dowling if he falls. I think Brown is at least as good a CB prospect as his backfield mate Williams, and could be had a round later.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

BTW, I think with about 20 pounds added on, Paea could be the best NT in football in a few years. Yes, he's raw and won't be an immediate contributor, but with Big Snack still in the fold, he doesn't need to be. Paea could definitely carry 320-325 (he was 300 at the combine) and might even be MORE effective because as a NT, he won't be asked to penetrate in the same fashion he would as a 4-3 DT. Knocks on him are limited pass-rush repertoire and being a bit of a one-trick pony as far as being a run stopper and not much else, but that's exactly what he would need to be in Pittsburgh. I think his skill set fits best as a 3-4 NT where he can occupy two blockers up the middle on every play.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I was reading Kiper's latest mock and I noted that both he and The Goose have picked Prince Amukamara as a slider in the draft, going at 20 in Kiper's and 25 in Goose's mocks. Paired with the mocks that have AJ Green going to Cinci and Julio Jones going to the Browns, I'm thinking the Steelers need to go for a CB. Do you guys think the Steelers make the moves required to move up to 20 for Prince if he fell that far?

I'd rather tthey move up to 20 for Prince than Pouncey...Pouncey just isnt worth that price

 

[treat88]

I actually think Williams is a great fit in LeBeau's scheme.

He certainly not an elite press man corner, but as a 3 deep zone corner he's got everything you look for.

Williams, Heyward, and Sherrod are the guys topping my realistic wish list.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

For those panning Williams as a FS, and I agree that's likely where he winds up, how can you in the same breath pimp Dowling? Dowling's the exact kind of CB the Steelers need to get away from: Known more for his tackling than his coverage ability(I also think he just pulled something when he was told I was talking about him on the internet.) He has Safety scribbled all over him.

I don't particularly want them drafting Williams at #31, but I'd take him 100 time out of 100 over Dowling.

If it's a choice between Williams, Heyward or Dowling I'd probably go Heyward just because I think Heyward is the best player out of the three when he's "on"...but I'm not in love with any of the three.

I'm holding out hope for Sherrod to tumble....but those types never really seem to, regardless of what the experts opine otherwise.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

For those panning Williams as a FS, and I agree that's likely where he winds up, how can you in the same breath pimp Dowling? Dowling's the exact kind of CB the Steelers need to get away from: Known more for his tackling than his coverage ability(I also think he just pulled something when he was told I was talking about him on the internet.) He has Safety scribbled all over him.I don't particularly want them drafting Williams at #31, but I'd take him 100 time out of 100 over Dowling.If it's a choice between Williams, Heyward or Dowling I'd probably go Heyward just because I think Heyward is the best player out of the three when he's "on"...but I'm not in love with any of the three.I'm holding out hope for Sherrod to tumble....but those types never really seem to, regardless of what the experts opine otherwise.

I'd prefer Dowling at 62 over Williams at 31. I don't want Heyward.

 

[treat88]

100% concur that Dowling is very similar to Williams.

My question is why do some feel we need to get away from that type of corner? Seems like we've been pretty successful over the last decade with the secondary philosophy as is.

I buy the game has evolved argument to a point, but I think rather than it being a type of corner that needs to be moved away from, it is simply more talented players that follow the same philosophy are needed.

The NE/GB games of 2010 didn't show me LeBeau's philosophy is broken, they showed me that McFadden and Gay suck really badly.

Jordy Nelson's catch over Gay in the SB is exactly why Harris shouldn't even be in the conversation. I want no part of another 5'9" CB playing outside the hashes.

That said, one of the hazards of being successful is picking amongst less than ideal options at the end of the draft. None of those mentioned amongst Dowling, Heyward, Williams, or Sherrod are top of the list, but all look like solid serviceable players with a reasonable expectation of return on investment.

I am with those that want a talented OL to fall. Far better choices amongst the 2nd/3rd round CB's than OT/OG's.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'll be honest, I am not thrilled with the prospect of drafting Williams. I'm not convinced he's fast or fluid enough to be a consistently good man-to-man corner,

EVERYBODY seems to be giving us Williams now. I'm with you on him. Especially since I think he's more of a safety and I think our top need is CB.

That's what they said about Nanmdi Asomugha. Who was taken with pick #31.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I actually think Williams is a great fit in LeBeau's scheme.He certainly not an elite press man corner, but as a 3 deep zone corner he's got everything you look for. Williams, Heyward, and Sherrod are the guys topping my realistic wish list.

Williams, Heyward or Taylor for me.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Not opposed to Pouncey. Top interior linemen are typically going in the late 1st/early 2nd. I value them a little more than that, and wouldn't mind going into the upper 20's, but I don't know about 21 or sooner. I, like the rest of you, would be happy with an OL, DL, DB.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Not opposed to Pouncey. Top interior linemen are typically going in the late 1st/early 2nd. I value them a little more than that, and wouldn't mind going into the upper 20's, but I don't know about 21 or sooner. I, like the rest of you, would be happy with an OL, DL, DB.

A 3rd rounder would get you to 25 or 24 (maybe).A 2nd rounder would get you to about 18.

A 3rd + 4th may get you as high as 22.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I would accept a 1st, 5th and future 3rd (or something like that)... are future picks involved in this draft?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I would accept a 1st, 5th and future 3rd (or something like that)... are future picks involved in this draft?

They said YES to pick, and NO to players.

 

[pghrob]

Steelers need to trade up now to 16 to try and get Prince. Not sure the Redskins will deal the pick...but u never know. Maybe they want Mallet and would like to get another 2nd rounder.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I have a feeling Steelers are getting Wilkerson or Liuget.

 

[pghrob]

Prince still available at #18. Make the move to get the cb we need.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Prince still available at #18. Make the move to get the cb we need.

He won't make it past TB, which means we have to trade with NYG at 19. Too much, I think.Love to see him keep sliding, though

 

[Kenny Powers]

Tons of position need player for us dropping thanks to all those Qb picks...Prince definitely should be our #1 target, but at this point, I wouldnt be surprised if we trade up 5-6 for whoever their target player is...Most of these teams dont have a big need, so the value will go quick these next 10 picks

 

[pghrob]

Maybe Costanza?