Kenny Powers
Footballguy
How much is too much?? TB could still be looking at Bowers and other options (who probably wont be there at 31, I know)
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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2011 Thread (2 Viewers)
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He is still sitting there and available at 24,
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Starting to really think we may trade back.
*** Though if Bowers keeps dropping...
*** Though if Bowers keeps dropping...
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
So at 26, Bowers, Carimi, Sherrod, Jimmy Smith (doubt we take him), Sherrod, Heyward, Austin, Wilkerson all still available...So just by math, at least 2 will be available.
Based on that, I will be pretty angry if we settle for Aaron Williams
Based on that, I will be pretty angry if we settle for Aaron Williams
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Bowers, Sherrod, Carimi in that order.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
This is ridiculous how many options we have..I hope the Steelers really like 1 of these guys....Maybe trade down?!So glad that Patsies didnt get Ingram...that was my biggest fear. Glad NO got him'Kenny Powers said:
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Bowers knee must be wasted.
One of Bowers or Sherrod guaranteed to be there.
Somebody has got to be calling us to get up for Dalton, maybe?
One of Bowers or Sherrod guaranteed to be there.
Somebody has got to be calling us to get up for Dalton, maybe?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No trade. Made our pick fast.
Probably Williams.
Probably Williams.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Of course. I hate this pick.
3C's
Footballguy
he's not a DT
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
The defense has certainly taken a HUGE step back when A. Smith has gotten hurt recently. Luckily Ziggy started stepping up as he got experience. DL take 3 years to season, and I don't think the Steelers have 3 years until they HAVE to have a replacement for both Smith and RedBeard. Let's hope Ziggy continues to improve, because a 3-4 isn't as dominant as the Steelers have been for so long without 3 studs up front allowing the rest to work. I am one that likes this pick.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
the fact that Aaron Williams is still on the board means Dowling probably available even further. Do we wait for him? Move up to get either of them tomorrow? 
I really like the pick. Getting younger on DL is in my opinion the biggest team need. I don't really love the CB's on the board. I was crushed when Wilkerson slipped so close to us and then was snatched away.
3C's
Footballguy
yep. time to find his eventual replacement.
My dream for tomorrow is Dowling and Wisniewski
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Im not ecstatic for Heyward, but based on how the draft fell, I love it compared to settling for Williams.
I really hope we make some moves in the 2nd..Dowling is target #1 for me. I didnt realize how high Paea was on Kiper's board, he's #2 left after Bowers right now which makes him a big longshot. I'd like Ellis a lot, but damn, since we didnt get a CB 1st round, I really hope we get Dowling somehow
I really hope we make some moves in the 2nd..Dowling is target #1 for me. I didnt realize how high Paea was on Kiper's board, he's #2 left after Bowers right now which makes him a big longshot. I'd like Ellis a lot, but damn, since we didnt get a CB 1st round, I really hope we get Dowling somehow
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
ACP - its HEYWARD, not HEYWOOD
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
That link is turrrible.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
what's with the thingie? 
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
That link is turrrible.
OK, guy. Take it up with Crawford.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I love it compared to settling for Williams, and really hope we make some noise to get the guys we want tomorrow.Based on how this round went, Im almost more excited for tomorrow
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
After hearing Colbert and Coach T talk about the Heyward pick, I like it even more. He feels like a longtime fixture for the Stillers.
Maybe Aaron Williams round 2
Maybe Aaron Williams round 2
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKtdfodCak&feature=related
Heyward always was big in big games and was always a huge disturbance to the offense. Can't wait to see him is black and gold.
Heyward always was big in big games and was always a huge disturbance to the offense. Can't wait to see him is black and gold.
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"We won't need him to pitch."After hearing Colbert and Coach T talk about the Heyward pick, I like it even more. He feels like a longtime fixture for the Stillers.Maybe Aaron Williams round 2
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I pretty much feel like this. I'd rather they had taken Sherrod, but it's tough to argue with Heyward when you look big picture: The Steelers' DL, as a whole, is "Methusela-esque", Cam's bust risk is very low, he fits their scheme nearly perfectly, and by all accounts isn't a stooge. Glad they didn't settle on Williams.A lot of talent still available at CB, though I hope they don't f- Dowling with Idiot Boxer's junk, and once Prince was taken by the Giants any CB they took at #32 has a doppleganger that will probably be available at #64. Of the remaining corners, I like Harris the best, but assume he's going to be selected relatively soon. Even if he does, it doesn't change a lot as far as the CB pool goes. We knew coming in, this crop of CBs is relatively "deep", but the top end of the pool was pretty narrow. Now there's just a large group of guys that all pretty much look the same, regardless of who your favorite may be.If they can land a guy like Patrick/Burton/even Williams if he fell or, say, an Ijalana come round 2 they should be in pretty good shape moving on to rounds 3-5.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
There was no way he was going to last to #31 and I don't think the Steelers had him graded that much higher (if at all) than Heyward to warrant a move up.'BigSteelThrill said:He is still sitting there and available at 24,
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Yeah. I would have liked Sherrod. I just think age issues are on both sides of the line and that OL was a higher priority. I'd love Ijalana in Round 2. I'm just afraid that by going DL in Rd 1, they feel obligated to go CB in Rd 2, leaving OL out of the mix.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I was so unsurprised with the Heyward pick, I just sat there silently. My wife asked me what I thought of it and all I could really say was - "not unexpected."
This is just how the Steelers do business, we all know that. They like high character guys from winning programs that fit their scheme and will fill a need a year or two from now, not this season. I did a lot of reading on Heyward yesterday because I suspected he'd be the pick. Based on the speed with which it was made, I think he was the choice whether or not Wilkerson goes #30.
Bottom line is that the Steelers rarely draft a guy to play significant minutes in their rookie year. It's not sexy, but it works. Heyward and Hood will make really nice bookends once the current guard on the DL is gone (which is going to be much sooner rather than later.) He's a prototypical 3-4 DE - stout, strong, can make plays in space, but his main flaws as a DE are his lack of elite pass rushing ability and his propensity to be out of position from time to time, flaws that re either borderline irrelevant, or can be improved upon with coaching.
Yes, it's a safe pick and yes, it's a boring pick, but even though it probably won't bear fruit until 2012-2013 at the earliest, we'll be glad down the road that they sunk 2 first-rounders into the DL.
This is just how the Steelers do business, we all know that. They like high character guys from winning programs that fit their scheme and will fill a need a year or two from now, not this season. I did a lot of reading on Heyward yesterday because I suspected he'd be the pick. Based on the speed with which it was made, I think he was the choice whether or not Wilkerson goes #30.
Bottom line is that the Steelers rarely draft a guy to play significant minutes in their rookie year. It's not sexy, but it works. Heyward and Hood will make really nice bookends once the current guard on the DL is gone (which is going to be much sooner rather than later.) He's a prototypical 3-4 DE - stout, strong, can make plays in space, but his main flaws as a DE are his lack of elite pass rushing ability and his propensity to be out of position from time to time, flaws that re either borderline irrelevant, or can be improved upon with coaching.
Yes, it's a safe pick and yes, it's a boring pick, but even though it probably won't bear fruit until 2012-2013 at the earliest, we'll be glad down the road that they sunk 2 first-rounders into the DL.
3C's
Footballguy
I'd have been pissed if they picked Sherrod and I'll be ok if they leave OL out of the mix.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I think it will really depend almost entirely on who's available and where they are on their board. I don't think Dowling, Harris, or Williams have much chance of being there, but Curtis Brown from Texas and Brandon Burton from Utah very well might be. How do they stack up on the Steelers' board compared to Ijalana, Rodney Hudson, etc? That will be seen.I only wish Paea would fall. I'd be all for them taking yet another DL at #62 if it was him. Hell, if they really love Ellis, I wouldn't be opposed to that pick.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Anyone else thought that Reggie Bush would be a good change of pace/3rd down back for the Steelers? It was rumored that he was willing to rework his deal with the Saints before they took Ingram, but he likely won't stay with the Saints now.
The Steelers gave M.Moore $5mil/3yrs w/ $1.5mil bonus , so I don't think it would be a stretch to offer Bush a deal in the $8mil/3yrs or $5mil/2yrs.
Probably doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades, but fun to speculate on.
The Steelers gave M.Moore $5mil/3yrs w/ $1.5mil bonus , so I don't think it would be a stretch to offer Bush a deal in the $8mil/3yrs or $5mil/2yrs.
Probably doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades, but fun to speculate on.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
While we're telling Santa our wish list: I'd love to see Nnamdi decide he wants to go play for a Super Bowl contender with character, offer a deep discount and we shoot the locks off the wallet to get him and Ike decides to re-sign at the hometown discount to play as half of the best CB duo in the league.I've been a good boy Santa. You can make this happen.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I don't disagree with you, but if there's one thing this pick should be hammering home to us all it's probably this(and we already knew it anyway): The Steelers just don't value CBs that much. Not saying I am totally on board with that logic, but it's pretty clear that must be how they feel. Particularly now that they're looking at a glut of, say, 10 guys who are pretty much "the same dude." While I do expect they'll be looking DB in the 2nd, again it's all going to come down to their internal valuation. If an OLiner that they have rated significantly higher than whomever is available at DB is still sitting there at #62 I don't think they'll hesitate to forego CB again. They've already shown a propensity to do so, not only with the first this year, but for pretty much the last 5-6 years.What I hope DOESN'T happen is that they try and get cute, say, like taking a Rahim Moore, who they allegedly think can make a shift to CB, when actual viable CBs or OTs may be available. He fits their M.O. though: Junior, big program, athletic, "solid citizen" character-wise. I'd wager Carnell Lake has been banging his drum as well.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I love the pick. Keisel and Smith are great when they play but both are old and have had injury issues (especially Smith). Heyward provideds immediate depth and should be a fixture on the line for years.Now time to address the secondary and OL although NT is still a need.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
From the 2 scouting reports, which CB would you rather have:
Player A:
Read & React: Reads routes well and starts to close when receivers throttle down to catch curl or hitch. Sniffs out bubble screens. Gets fooled on double moves and misdirection when receivers and backs sell their routes. Recognizes run immediately in man or zone coverage and gets around the receiver to make the play.
Man Coverage: His size makes him a prototypical outside corner, able to stay with NFL pass-catchers down the sideline. Usually matches up with opponent's biggest receiver. Shows relatively quick feet when in the slot. Mirrors receivers on most straight-line routes but struggles to stop and return on throws behind him. Stays too high in his pedal, however, lets receivers eat up cushion too quickly. Needs to play more physically; usually plays well off the receiver, fails to land his hands when on the line. Gets pushed around too easily, allowing separation outside.
Zone Coverage: Practiced as a zone defender. Comes off of initial target a bit late, but gets to the ball in a hurry once he picks up the quarterback's read. Adjusts to jerk routes and can change his angle on the fly. Gets a hand on passes thrown over his head when underneath. Lacks great suddenness to change direction with quick slot receivers over the middle.
Closing/Recovery: A bit slow transitioning forward to plant and drive, but likes to make big hits and is tough for receivers to escape when he closes. Owns only adequate hands for the interception; picks off some easy passes but drops high and wide throws when in position to make the play. Able to knock away passes by swiping his long arm in front of receivers and winning jump balls. Lacks recovery speed if beaten off the line and does not gain ground running down the field.
Run Support: Solid run defender on the edge. Not afraid to take on large outside receivers and reacts quickly to get around potential blockers to make the tackle on running plays to his side of the field. Gets outside of the blocker to funnel plays back inside, but could do a better job shedding blocks when he's not able to elude them. Takes deep angles to be a last line of defense.
Tackling: Inconsistent tackler who displays the length and aggressiveness to wrap up ballcarriers but lacks great strength. Like to hit running backs on the edge and usually leads with a shoulder. Gives good effort, coming off his man to help teammates and laying out to make ankle tackles. Blitzes effectively due to his straight-line speed and size. Height can be a detriment against smaller, quicker ballcarriers; will leave his feet instead of dropping his hips to wrap and tackle. Gets dragged for extra yardage by stronger receivers.
Player B:
Read & React: Has excellent speed and quickness to close on plays in front of him. Senses double moves and stays with his man down the sideline. Uses his straight-line speed to reach plays away from him to help pull down ballcarriers downfield. Can be slow to read receivers' eyes, but usually recovers to make a tackle or get a hand on the ball.
Man Coverage: Typically played man, up on the line and also well off to prevent big plays. Has lateral and straight-line quickness and is able to run with any receiver down the field or over the middle. Mirrors routes very well, can stop and start as well as any corner in the country. He has receiver-like hands on interceptions, excellent hand-eye coordination and body control to knock away passes in front of the receiver without drawing a flag. High-points jump balls using good position, height and vertical leap. Athletic enough to recover when he's a step late recognizing a pass coming in his direction. Must stay in his backpedal longer, gets high too quickly out of his stance, flips his hips early, and stays on the balls of his feet -- all of which will allow NFL receivers to get open on quick cuts and inside slants.
Zone Coverage: Though potentially better in man, has a chance to play in an NFL zone system. Fluid enough to get into his zone quickly, keeps his head on a swivel to see receivers in his area. Good closing speed to balls in front or to the side of him, able to get to the ball before receiver secures the ball. Capable tackler on plays in front of him to prevent yards after the catch.
Closing/Recovery: Closes with a burst but plays under control, whether attacking receivers in front of him or on the blitz. Good recovery speed to get back to receiver if he is beat initially inside or down the sideline. Times jumps well to knock away high passes or get in front of the receiver without interfering.
Run Support: Not the most physical cornerback, but is aggressive to the ball against the run and bubble screens. Very effective cut tackler to knock down backs coming in his area. Gets to the ballcarrier's outside shoulder to force plays to the linebackers and safeties inside. His slight frame allows larger, aggressive receivers to push him around on the edge despite his willingness mix it up. Works to get through those blocks, sometimes getting to the ballcarrier despite being held up initially.
Tackling: Likes to throw his body into the play but lacks strength and is very inconsistent in his fundamentals. Makes open-field tackles against receivers and as a gunner on special teams units. Closes quickly, mirroring lateral movement, and breaking down to get a hand on elusive ballcarriers. Capable of planting receivers when staying square and moving his feet through the ball. Will chase plays on his side of the field. Throws a shoulder into running backs when supporting the run near the line, but fails to consistently keep his head up and wrap, allowing them to bounce off to extend the play. Larger receivers and quarterbacks can shed his tackle attempts when he does not stay square and low.
Player A:
Read & React: Reads routes well and starts to close when receivers throttle down to catch curl or hitch. Sniffs out bubble screens. Gets fooled on double moves and misdirection when receivers and backs sell their routes. Recognizes run immediately in man or zone coverage and gets around the receiver to make the play.
Man Coverage: His size makes him a prototypical outside corner, able to stay with NFL pass-catchers down the sideline. Usually matches up with opponent's biggest receiver. Shows relatively quick feet when in the slot. Mirrors receivers on most straight-line routes but struggles to stop and return on throws behind him. Stays too high in his pedal, however, lets receivers eat up cushion too quickly. Needs to play more physically; usually plays well off the receiver, fails to land his hands when on the line. Gets pushed around too easily, allowing separation outside.
Zone Coverage: Practiced as a zone defender. Comes off of initial target a bit late, but gets to the ball in a hurry once he picks up the quarterback's read. Adjusts to jerk routes and can change his angle on the fly. Gets a hand on passes thrown over his head when underneath. Lacks great suddenness to change direction with quick slot receivers over the middle.
Closing/Recovery: A bit slow transitioning forward to plant and drive, but likes to make big hits and is tough for receivers to escape when he closes. Owns only adequate hands for the interception; picks off some easy passes but drops high and wide throws when in position to make the play. Able to knock away passes by swiping his long arm in front of receivers and winning jump balls. Lacks recovery speed if beaten off the line and does not gain ground running down the field.
Run Support: Solid run defender on the edge. Not afraid to take on large outside receivers and reacts quickly to get around potential blockers to make the tackle on running plays to his side of the field. Gets outside of the blocker to funnel plays back inside, but could do a better job shedding blocks when he's not able to elude them. Takes deep angles to be a last line of defense.
Tackling: Inconsistent tackler who displays the length and aggressiveness to wrap up ballcarriers but lacks great strength. Like to hit running backs on the edge and usually leads with a shoulder. Gives good effort, coming off his man to help teammates and laying out to make ankle tackles. Blitzes effectively due to his straight-line speed and size. Height can be a detriment against smaller, quicker ballcarriers; will leave his feet instead of dropping his hips to wrap and tackle. Gets dragged for extra yardage by stronger receivers.
Player B:
Read & React: Has excellent speed and quickness to close on plays in front of him. Senses double moves and stays with his man down the sideline. Uses his straight-line speed to reach plays away from him to help pull down ballcarriers downfield. Can be slow to read receivers' eyes, but usually recovers to make a tackle or get a hand on the ball.
Man Coverage: Typically played man, up on the line and also well off to prevent big plays. Has lateral and straight-line quickness and is able to run with any receiver down the field or over the middle. Mirrors routes very well, can stop and start as well as any corner in the country. He has receiver-like hands on interceptions, excellent hand-eye coordination and body control to knock away passes in front of the receiver without drawing a flag. High-points jump balls using good position, height and vertical leap. Athletic enough to recover when he's a step late recognizing a pass coming in his direction. Must stay in his backpedal longer, gets high too quickly out of his stance, flips his hips early, and stays on the balls of his feet -- all of which will allow NFL receivers to get open on quick cuts and inside slants.
Zone Coverage: Though potentially better in man, has a chance to play in an NFL zone system. Fluid enough to get into his zone quickly, keeps his head on a swivel to see receivers in his area. Good closing speed to balls in front or to the side of him, able to get to the ball before receiver secures the ball. Capable tackler on plays in front of him to prevent yards after the catch.
Closing/Recovery: Closes with a burst but plays under control, whether attacking receivers in front of him or on the blitz. Good recovery speed to get back to receiver if he is beat initially inside or down the sideline. Times jumps well to knock away high passes or get in front of the receiver without interfering.
Run Support: Not the most physical cornerback, but is aggressive to the ball against the run and bubble screens. Very effective cut tackler to knock down backs coming in his area. Gets to the ballcarrier's outside shoulder to force plays to the linebackers and safeties inside. His slight frame allows larger, aggressive receivers to push him around on the edge despite his willingness mix it up. Works to get through those blocks, sometimes getting to the ballcarrier despite being held up initially.
Tackling: Likes to throw his body into the play but lacks strength and is very inconsistent in his fundamentals. Makes open-field tackles against receivers and as a gunner on special teams units. Closes quickly, mirroring lateral movement, and breaking down to get a hand on elusive ballcarriers. Capable of planting receivers when staying square and moving his feet through the ball. Will chase plays on his side of the field. Throws a shoulder into running backs when supporting the run near the line, but fails to consistently keep his head up and wrap, allowing them to bounce off to extend the play. Larger receivers and quarterbacks can shed his tackle attempts when he does not stay square and low.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Player B.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
That's what I thought also.Player A is Aaron Williams. Player B is the other CB from Texas, Curtis Brown.IMO, we need someone with coverage & ball skills more than a big hitter that falls for double moves (sounds like McFadden) & Brown should be there at our next pick.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Since I know who player A and player B are, it's player B easily if we're talking about them strictly playing CB.
I want my CBs to be able to cover. Run support is a nice, but secondary, asset.
I want my CBs to be able to cover. Run support is a nice, but secondary, asset.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Another guy I like is Da'Norris Searcy from North Carolina. He's a SS with ball skills. Probably won't be there in the 4th, but I think he'd be a good pick for the Steelers there.
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