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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2011 Thread (1 Viewer)

'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Some experts thought Brown was the best db in Texas, didn't they?
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Yeah, he does NOT have a great hands.http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/03/sources-texas-cb-curtis-brown-to-visit-with-steelers/But Lebeau loves him.Heyward was rated as top 18 overall by the Steelers. Both Gilbert and Brown had official visits.They know what they want.Brown was a senior with tons of play time all 4 years. Gilbert, senior with 2 years starting at both tackles, including a year with Maurkice.Heyward, senior, played in every game of his 4 years at OSU, as both a DE and DT.They want to get immediate production (IF NEEDED) out of these guys. And if they are able to just sit and learn, so be it.That's part of the reason they keep being so consistent. Thats part of the reason they don't choke their 1st round pick.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Some experts thought Brown was the best db in Texas, didn't they?
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Yeah, he does NOT have a great hands.http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/03/sources-texas-cb-curtis-brown-to-visit-with-steelers/But Lebeau loves him.Heyward was rated as top 18 overall by the Steelers. Both Gilbert and Brown had official visits.They know what they want.Brown was a senior with tons of play time all 4 years. Gilbert, senior with 2 years starting at both tackles, including a year with Maurkice.Heyward, senior, played in every game of his 4 years at OSU, as both a DE and DT.They want to get immediate production (IF NEEDED) out of these guys. And if they are able to just sit and learn, so be it.That's part of the reason they keep being so consistent. Thats part of the reason they don't choke their 1st round pick.
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I don't think Heyward will contribute much if at all this year.
 
'Drunken Cowboy said:
I don't think Heyward will contribute much if at all this year.
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Given Aaron Smith's fragility over the past few years, I wouldn't place any bets on that.I agree that the Steelers may hope that he won't HAVE to contribute much this year, as most of us do too since that means Smith/Hood/The Diesel are all healthy.....but with the health/age issues from top to bottom of the DL depth chart he could see more meaningful minutes than we might think.I may have figured coming into this that the Steelers would address the same three positions that they ultimately did so far, but I'd have probably bet that they did them in reverse order. I can't say I'm unhappy with the results at this point though if we're just looking at the players and not worrying about who was picked where.
 
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Very happy with all three picks and the order in which they were taken. It's like the draft shook out exactly according to plan.

Appeared to get great value in all three rounds.

:thumbsup: to the Kevin Colbert and the rest of the front office.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
I may have figured coming into this that the Steelers would address the same three positions that they ultimately did so far, but I'd have probably bet that they did them in reverse order. I can't say I'm unhappy with the results at this point though if we're just looking at the players and not worrying about who was picked where.
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I really think that the Steelers let the draft play out to give them value. Instead of forcing the issue.They named Heyward as one of their top 18. But I bet they had two CBs and two OTs in that group as well, but didnt have em available at 31. Had a Amakumara or Costanzo reached their spot, it probably would have rolled in a different order. It could have been worse, their top 18 probably include at least a couple in a position(s) of zero need.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'5-ish Finkle said:
I may have figured coming into this that the Steelers would address the same three positions that they ultimately did so far, but I'd have probably bet that they did them in reverse order. I can't say I'm unhappy with the results at this point though if we're just looking at the players and not worrying about who was picked where.
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I really think that the Steelers let the draft play out to give them value. Instead of forcing the issue.They named Heyward as one of their top 18. But I bet they had two CBs and two OTs in that group as well, but didnt have em available at 31. Had a Amakumara or Costanzo reached their spot, it probably would have rolled in a different order. It could have been worse, their top 18 probably include at least a couple in a position(s) of zero need.
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They don't really draft on need. About the only position they wouldn't have taken in the 1st is qb (and specialists of course) if it was BPA. I disagree with the guy who said earlier they weren't looking cb in the 1st. Like you said, if a cb they had rated higher than Heyward had fallen to their spot that would have been the pick.
 
'5-ish Finkle said:
'Drunken Cowboy said:
I don't think Heyward will contribute much if at all this year.
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Given Aaron Smith's fragility over the past few years, I wouldn't place any bets on that.I agree that the Steelers may hope that he won't HAVE to contribute much this year, as most of us do too since that means Smith/Hood/The Diesel are all healthy.....but with the health/age issues from top to bottom of the DL depth chart he could see more meaningful minutes than we might think.I may have figured coming into this that the Steelers would address the same three positions that they ultimately did so far, but I'd have probably bet that they did them in reverse order. I can't say I'm unhappy with the results at this point though if we're just looking at the players and not worrying about who was picked where.
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I don't expect Smith to be on the team and I still don't expect Heyward to contribute much. It takes a while to learn how to play end in the Steelers D. Heyward has played a bit of 5 technique at OSU, so I think he can get it quicker than most. I would still think he is likely to be behind Eason.
 
I like the Heyward pick for you guys. I saw most of the mocks had him with MY PACKERS (sorry had to do it) but I wasn't surprised when you got him at 31. I like his never give up attitude and that he doesn't take plays off.

Steeler'r rarely miss on 1st rounders and I know the Packers were high on him also. So take it for what it is worth, but the two best team really thought this guy was a special talent.

You're right in that DL takes about a year to really figure it out.Especially in the 3-4. He will be good and I think he will contribute but you may not see him turn the corner until 2012. I really think this guy is a Pro Bowl player for you guys down the road.

C-ya in the SB 2012 EDITION!!!

 
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You know, there's comfort in being a Steeler fan on draft day.

None of these guys look like the kinds of guys that would really excite me, in a vacuum...pretty much like every year.

But they all sort of smell like typical Steeler picks, at the same time.

And history tells me that'll probably work out fairly well for at least some of them. I can't say I'm excited about it, but I'm comfortable with it. :shrug:

They'll probably take a guy or two that excites me late in the draft...and those guys will amount to nothing. That's why they keep building title contenders, and I keep doing whatever it is that I do.

 
Pretty much the perfect draft for us so far considering value and positional needs. I still cant believe Brown was there in the end of the 2nd.

Boling, Chekwa, Doss, Taiwan Jones all gone....and Henery :kicksrock:

Interested to see who itll be

 
Positionally, I'd have preferred Cannon, but we definitely need CBs and they must have seen something they liked...I can't argue with 2 CBs, 1 OL, 1 DL too much.

 
So Allen had 22 tackles in 11 games last year....I hope thats because they never threw it his way. Still <_< about taking him over Burton, but oh well.

I guess if he's any good we can at least end up calling him Cortez the Killer

ETA:......aand there goes Cannon to, of course, New England

 
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Would have rather seen Cannon and it burns a bit more as he went to NE, but I like the pick. He has the physical tools to develop into a good player.

 
Chris Carter from DraftScout. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68930&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

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Draft Scout Snapshot: DS Rating on 9-1-10: #21 OLB, #249/750 Overall, 7-FA2010: 2010 WAC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR (COACHES)...Carter, the 2010 WAC Defensive Player of the Year, was among the national sack leaders all season. He has been selected first-team All-WAC each of the last two seasons and finished his career with nearly 200 tackles and 19.5 sacks. During the 2010 season he led the WAC with 11 sacks and made 16.5 tackles for losses....7th in the NCAA with 11.0 quarterback sacks; ranks16th in the NCAA in TLF (16.5)...Fifth in the NCAA in forced fumbles with four (0.33 per game)...2009: First-team All-WAC in ‘09 despite playing with a club on his hand... Sixth in the WAC in quarterback sackswith four... Sixth in the WAC and ranks 62nd in the NCAA in tackles for losses with 10.5... Second-team All-WAC last season despite playing two different positions...Has 150 tackles in his career, with 20.5 tackles for losses and 8.5 sacks...2008: Played in all 13 games, starting 10 ... Was second on the team in tackles with 88, 38 being solo ... Had seven tackles for loss and four sacks ... Had a season-high 11 tackles against Nevada and 10 tackles at UCLA ... Had two tackles for a loss and two sacks against New Mexico State ... Earned Second-Team All-WAC honors...2007: Had 11 solo tackles during his freshman year and four assisted for a total of 15 tackles on the season ... Recovered a fumble and had two tackles resulting in six yards lost.
 
Carter was a top 100 player with a more than a couple of "experts scouts"/services.

He can certainly rush the passer. And he hits HARD when he gets there based on what little I've got to see of him. We'll see what Butler can do with him in regard to coverage/stacking and shedding, but as a near 6th rounder there's not a whole lot I can complain about here. Looks like he'll be good on teams/as a situational rusher at least. You need those guys too.

 
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That "7-fa" on nfldraftscout had to be wrong. Chad Reuter write up said he could go in the second

 
'3C said:
That "7-fa" on nfldraftscout had to be wrong. Chad Reuter write up said he could go in the second
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I dunno, they have him ranked as the 9th OLB and 93rd overall. Im guessing he dropped because he's only 6'1. Either way, looks like huge value....I didnt realize Ziemba was still available until McShay showed he was 1 of his top players still available. They gotta think about him :popcorn:
 
Is Williams really supposed to be better than Ziemba though? nfldraftscout has ziemba as a 4th-5th rounder and williams as a 6th-7th

Walterfootball's pick by pick grades:

31. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State

This is a typical Steelers pick. They're bolstering their defense with one of the top players available. He doesn't fill an immediate need, but will definitely be starting for the team in a year or two. (Pick Grade: B)

63. Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida

The Steelers almost had to make this pick. They need to protect Ben Roethlisberger. Marcus Gilbert fits their blocking scheme, and he's arguably one of the top tackles available. (Pick Grade: B)

95. Curtis Brown, CB, Texas

I had Curtis Brown to the Steelers in the second round of my mock re-draft, so I love this pick. Brown provides tremendous value and fills a huge need for the Steelers. He's also a great fit for Mike Tomlin's defensive scheme. That's why the Steelers were very interested in Brown this offseason. (Pick Grade: A)

128. Cortez Allen, CB, The Citadel

Another solid cornerback selection for the Steelers. Cortez Allen fits the range at the bottom of the Round 4, and he figures to improve the secondary sometime in the near future. (Pick Grade: B)

162. Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State

Kevin Colbert continues to dominate the 2011 NFL Draft. Chris Carter could have gone as high as the bottom of the second round, so this is a major steal. Carter won't contribute right away, but he could step in once James Harrison moves on. (Pick Grade: A)

196. Keith Williams, G, Nebraska

Another quality pick. The Steelers have to keep adding solid offensive linemen to the roster, and Keith Williams fits the range. (Pick Grade: B)

 
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'Kenny Powers said:
128. Cortez Allen, CB, The Citadel Another solid cornerback selection for the Steelers. Cortez Allen fits the range at the bottom of the Round 4, and he figures to improve the secondary sometime in the near future. (Pick Grade: B) 162. Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State Kevin Colbert continues to dominate the 2011 NFL Draft. Chris Carter could have gone as high as the bottom of the second round, so this is a major steal. Carter won't contribute right away, but he could step in once James Harrison moves on. (Pick Grade: A)
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I know absolutely nothing about Cortez Allen. :mellow: As far as Chris Carter, he was certainly a higher rated prospect. But most teams don't look for a 6'1 250# OLB who played most of the time with a hand in the dirt. But his body type is very similar to James Harrison, as is his relentless attack of opposing QBS. I usually am not a fan of Fresno St linebackers or linemen. They typically do a much better job coaching their secondary and seem to really have front 7 personnel issues from an NFL standpoint. But this is late 5th round pick who had 11 sacks last year and 21 on his career.If you watch his videos, its pretty damn impressive. Coverage? I dont think he has done much covering at all. Though his combine numbers are terrific.
 
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'BigSteelThrill said:
'Kenny Powers said:
128. Cortez Allen, CB, The Citadel Another solid cornerback selection for the Steelers. Cortez Allen fits the range at the bottom of the Round 4, and he figures to improve the secondary sometime in the near future. (Pick Grade: B) 162. Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State Kevin Colbert continues to dominate the 2011 NFL Draft. Chris Carter could have gone as high as the bottom of the second round, so this is a major steal. Carter won't contribute right away, but he could step in once James Harrison moves on. (Pick Grade: A)
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I now absolutely nothing about Cortez Allen. :mellow:
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Me either...if they wanted to go CB again, i dont know why they passed on Burton..I remember Burton shutting down Baldwin that 1st game last yr. FWIW, walterfootball gave Burton & Cannon an A for their picks
 
Not that I know anything (at all) but another guy and I did a mock. Here is where the Steelers players were picked. I was odd picker so I guess I made most of these picks. So by our picks, Heyward and Williams were right on, Brown and Carter were steals, Allen and Gilbert were a slight reach.

1.30 Heyward

4.03 Gilbert

2.12 Brown

5.37 Allen

3.19 Carter

6.19 Williams

 
I'd be pretty happy if we took a flier on a kicker (Forbath, Jasper)at this point.

But I think we may go for a WR/TE with height and hands.

 
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Looks like they went after a potential replacement for Moore. Over 130 catches the past three seasons. I know next to nothing about the guy other than that.

 
Typical steelers and Tomlin draft. AlWays a flier on a de/olb conversion. Quality character guys positions of need.

Zero complaints here.

The standard is the standard.

 
'Steel Dillo said:
My predicted order for the draft:1st - OL2nd - CB3rd - DL4th - LB 5th - DB6th - OL7th - QB/WR/RBThey address obvious needs with the first 6 picks & take a flyer on either an athletic jack of all trades type QB, a tall WR or a 3rd down RB with the 7th pick.
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I didn't get the 1st 6 in the exact order, but i'm suprised i was that close.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'5-ish Finkle said:
Looks like they went after a potential replacement for Moore. Over 130 catches the past three seasons. I know next to nothing about the guy other than that.
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He pretty strong for shifty running back with good hands. If he is a stout blocker, he may serve a good purpose.Enjoy this video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17t6-YQ7T0 :thumbup:
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Pretty impressive young man. Looks like an unselfish hard worker. Starting his own non-profit organization 2ndhandimages and a pretty solid football player. Has potential to be a role player. Watching his
shows he catches passes cleanly on screens and uses his blockers well. Doesn't waste time dancing around either. One cut and heads down hill. Looks like he runs through tackles pretty well and isn't shy about contact. Don't have a clue if the kid can block though.
 
So when Free Agency eventually opens again, and we head right into the market looking at a cornerback... are we positive that Ike Taylor must be resigned?

Don't get me wrong. I love what Ike does for us. He really does a terrific job.

But my concern is that he is age 31 in May.

I painfully recall when Chad Scott got his second contract and then at age 29/30 he hit a brick wall.

I also don't think he is going to be "cheap" by any stretch of the imagination. He will get a fair contract based on the past few years and not based on the forthcoming years. Which could, admittedly, continue to be terrific for a few years. And I certainly think that he may very well (outside of Nnamdi Asomugha) gives us the best chances to win a title in 2012.

So how much and for how long?

There are couple options out there:

Nanmdi Asomugha Age:30

Jonanthan Joseph Age:27

Antonio Cromartie Age:27 (total non-Steeler type obviously)

Richard Marshall Age:26

Eric Wright Age:26

and I'll throw in Brandon Carr Age: 25 who was given a large RFA tender by the Chiefs.

I know its almost impossible to get a solid grasp on this without knowing our current salary situaion and the eventual salary cap, but maybe we can guess at it a little bit for discussions sake. Truth be told, what free agent positions do we currently need to sign outside of a CB? Maybe a second CB? Kicker and Punter?

 
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Foxsports:

Pittsburgh Steelers: B

Draft picks: DL Cameron Heyward (first round), OT Marcus Gilbert (second round), CB Curtis Brown (third round), CB Cortez Allen (fourth round), OLB Chris Carter (fifth round), OL Keith Williams (sixth round), RB Baron Batch (seventh round).

Analysis: The Steelers did a nice job of drafting for value, which is usually the case with this team. The first three draftees have a chance to start as rookies.

SportingNews:

Steelers: B

They continue to pick well from the bottom of the board. Cam Hewyard, Marcus Gilbert and Curtis Brown all look NFL-ready.

CBSSports

Grade: B

Pittsburgh Steelers

Best pick: Does Cameron Heyward fit the Steelers or what? He is a perfect 3-4 end in their defense.

Questionable move: Why did they take Florida's Marcus Gilbert when there were better options at tackle? They reached on that one.

Third-day gem: Fifth-round outside linebacker Chris Carter is perfect for their system, a speed player who can rush the passer.

Analysis: Heyward will be a good player, but I worry they over-drafted Gilbert to help fill a major need. But it's hard to argue with Kevin Colbert's success in recent years.

ESPN Mel Kiper



Steelers:

Overall: B+

Summary: This was a typically unflashy draft, but what I consider an effective one for Pittsburgh. (And it's hard to be flashy when you always pick late.) The Steelers needed to get younger at defensive end and they added Heyward within a good value range. They needed a tackle and they added Gilbert. They really needed corner help and got a really good value in Brown at No. 95, then pegged Allen in Round 4. Carter is a guy **** LeBeau can develop. Solid weekend for Pittsburgh.

Needs: A- Value: B

Bleacherreport

Grade: B

Pittsburgh Steelers

Team Needs: CB and offensive line.

How Did They Do: Addressed offensive line concerns with Marcus Gilbert and Keith Williams. Found a strong corner in Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen.

Cam Heyward was a solid value pick. Steelers did not have that many needs, so addressed team depth.

NBC Sports

Pittsburgh Steelers

B+

DRAFT GRADE

The Steelers usually stay in their draft slot, and somehow find contributors players that fit their style. Cameron Heyward could be a unheralded five-technique starter for years. He’ll continue the team’s tradition of late first-round finds. Marcus Gilbert and cornerback Curtis Brown were solid picks where they were taken and fill needs. The Steelers didn’t reach for secondary picks. Pittsburgh’s drafts tend to look better after a few years, which is the whole idea.

WalterFootball.com

Steelers

Average of 7 players: B+

Brown, Carter; A. Heyward, Gilbert, Allen, Williams; B. Batch; C.

 
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