BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
That 8 million cap doesn't reflect the 2.7 already set aside for Wallaces tender. I think the front office is NOT showing all its cards, purposefully.
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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2012 Thread (2 Viewers)
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treat88
Footballguy
Actually it does reflect Wallace's 2.7 mil as well as all other RFA's and ERFA's.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No, what Im saying is this.... The first 2.7 million that will come from Wallaces impending contract is already accounted for. And then there is 8 million "free" space. Thus the 8 million cap doesnt leave the reader to understand that the first 2.7m wont have to be deducted from the 8m.
treat88
Footballguy
OK. Gotcha. Thanks.
pghrob
Footballguy
What impact does Mike Wallace staying or leaving have on performance of Antonio Brown? Brown has shown tremendous poise and posted impressive stats as a 2nd year player after being drafted as a 6th rd pick from Central Michigan. If Wallace leaves, which looks less likely at least for 2012, is Brown good enough to share wr1 and wr1a status with Sanders? Curious if Steelers coaches and front office are completely sold on their young yet somewhat proven 3rd year receivers and how if at all they relate to his negotiations with them. It has to be somewhat of a factor, right?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Yeah, as much as I like Mendy, I can see the Steelers not re-signing him and if they would sign Tolbert, hed be a HB/FB that would be here for 5+ years. He's not the best complement to a RB like Redman, but thats a solid, hard running, and tough RB duo.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
If Wallace leaves, I dont think anyone can really say how it effects Brown until we see them on the field. If Wallace were to guy, AB's and Sanders production in 2012 would be one of the most intriguing storylines for me. Aside from that, if would give both of them the chance to prove their worth before getting new contracts in 2013. If a team does make Wallace an offer, Im guessing at this point the fact that AB and Sanders are RFA's next year wont impact if they match the offer or not.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What about Michael Bush?
The Hank
Footballguy
He's a Redman clone,I doubt he ends up hereI think a guy like Justin forsett ends up in Pit.Some small shifty back that can catch out of the back field.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Bush is better than Redman and maybe Mendenhall IMO.Rumors flying now that Denver will be pushing for Mike Wallace.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
It's nice to see him retire as a Steeler and not try to hang on 1-2 more years with another team.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. Too bad he couldn't have announced his retirement before the Steelers released him but I guess in the long run no big deal.Thanks Hines, you'll always be one of the all-time great Steelers.It's nice to see him retire as a Steeler and not try to hang on 1-2 more years with another team.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Peezy called Tim Tebow the Justin Bieber of the NFL. Love it. 
Eagles just traded for Ryans from Texans so there is some hope.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Nice.
Indy - Luck
Wash - Griffin
Min - Kalil
Clev = D Jackson
Tampa = M Foster**
StL = Laurinaitis
Jax = Posluzny
Mia = Dansby & Burnett
Car = Beason
Buf = N Barnett & K Sheppard
KC = D Johnsons J Belcher** (D Williams)
Sea = ??? (Hawthorne is a FA)
Ari = D Washington & P Lenon (S Bradley)
Dal = S Lee & B James
Phi = D Ryans
NYJ = D Harris & B Scott
Cin = R Mauluga**
SD = D Butler & T Spikes
Chi = Urlacher
Ten = C McCarthy (B Ruud is a FA)
Cin = R Mauluga**
Clev = D Jackson
Det = S Tulloch (just resigned for 4 years)
PIT
C Lofton, D Hawthorne and L Fletcher sit in free agency.
The RED are certainly considerations. The ** could show some interest.
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He was a TE with a bit of WR hybrid.He took the year off and got JACKED and focused.
matttyl
Footballguy
Yeah, he did look jacked from the numbers he was putting up. 30 reps and 4.49 speed?! For a guy his size that's crazy.Anyway, anything to see here? Will he see the field? How will he be used? (lead blocking, receiving fullback, blocking TE)?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He's camp fodder.But so were people like Willie Parker and James Harrison. Athletes that they took a few years to mold into players.Maybe he will be lucky enough to be allowed time to develop.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
How much time for each pick this year in the first round? 10 min?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Speculation is that he may not be healthy enough to contribute in 2012, necessitating an IR. His contract is up after this year, so the idea is that they may let him walk.
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
And pure speculation it is. I really like Bouchette, but this seems totally unsubstantiated. I dont expect anything from Mendenhall in the first half of the year, but I think he should be game ready at some point in the 2nd half of the season and able to contribute. How can Bouchette say this less than 3 months after his surgery?!'Evilgrin 72 said:
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I thought it was 15 but if it was 10 last year (dont remember) then its probably 10 this year.Also, I cant believe the draft is still a month away. With all the adjustments the NFL has made to maximize money, fan interest, etc., you would think it wouldnt be 2 months after the combine. Yes, I realize there are pro days, teams bring in a good amount of players for interviews and whatnot, so there needs to be time after the combine, but I dont see how having it the first week of April would cause problems. Plus, dont OTAs/minicamps begin in May? It would make more sense to move up the draft for that as well.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Because Ed has inside sources from the team that include team physicians?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Is that supposed to say Volunteers or Mountaineers?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Even still, this is very early in the recovery from surgery. If it was June, okay, but March? I dont buy it.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I think all this does is make it more likely that Hightower is there for us at 24. If they really want Kuechly and he slips to the late teens, theyll need to trade up to get him.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Didnt know Lofton was a FA. Id love to get him, but I think its a safe assumption that he isnt feasible with our cap situation.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Is he aware of any circumstances that might be considered a setback? Rashard had surgery on Jan 17th.Sept 17th = 8 months.Oct 17th = 9 months and must come off of PUP.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
But he could be helpful to our situation anyhow, just like Ryans.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
True, same with Hawthorne although I dont like him as much. Fletcher while still great (surprisingly) would look like more of a stopgap.Now that I think about it though, cutting Foote ($3.6M IIRC) might make it feasible to sign a Lofton.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I think the team is very willing to cut Foote to make a smarter monetary choice. I also think they are keeping that option very quiet... its a useful chip in keeping Wallace.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So Wallace is insane, right? He wants Fitz money? I doubt he is worth Vjax money really. One trick pony, that had his trick taken away from him of late. I'd like him to remain a Steeler, but I think bringing in 1 or 2 RBs is more important.
If Wallace doesn't sign an offer sheet, will he sign the $2.7m (or did he technically already?) or will he holdout? If he plays for the $2.7M this year, and then he gets franchised next year, and then he walks, I'd be OK with that. No way he is worth a longterm deal that he is talking about. Nor do I think the Steelers would make a WR their highest paid player.
I really think the Steelers should be looking at Michael Bush. He seems meant to be a Steeler. The team needs a big back with the capability to break big runs. Ben needs to have a good running game to play action off of and go deep to Brown/Wallace. If Wallace is signed at the tender figure, they might be able to afford Bush and possibly Forsett as well.
If Wallace doesn't sign an offer sheet, will he sign the $2.7m (or did he technically already?) or will he holdout? If he plays for the $2.7M this year, and then he gets franchised next year, and then he walks, I'd be OK with that. No way he is worth a longterm deal that he is talking about. Nor do I think the Steelers would make a WR their highest paid player.
I really think the Steelers should be looking at Michael Bush. He seems meant to be a Steeler. The team needs a big back with the capability to break big runs. Ben needs to have a good running game to play action off of and go deep to Brown/Wallace. If Wallace is signed at the tender figure, they might be able to afford Bush and possibly Forsett as well.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
NEVER MIND
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
You would think that Bush would have been affordable to us at $3.5M per year that CHI signed him for. That said, Im not sure Bush is good enough to really produce behind our OL, but I could be wrong.NEVER MIND
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matttyl
Footballguy
actually, I think it's suppose to be volunteers (not capitalized). It's a bad word choice, though.
matttyl
Footballguy
With Bush, Tolbert and BJGE all signing elsewhere without much talk of Pittsburgh with any of them, I think it's safe to say that the Steelers are prepared to go into the season with the RBs currently on their roster, no?
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Can always draft one, or do what they normally do: Wait until the 11th hour and go after veterans who haven't signed yet(e.g. the Mewelde Moores of the world).
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I guess. I don't like it.
The Hank
Footballguy
As usual 5-ish, you hit the nail on the head here.Steelers were never going to make a big splash at RB in FA (the last time they did that was Duce Staley, and we all know how THAT turned out)
More than likely, Steelers will wait for the draft to add RB depth, dont be surprised the Steelers to use a relatively high pick (#2-4) to do so as well.
If they go the FA route, they will need the MM type back. I think it'll be Justin Forsett. Other possibilities: Ronnie Brown, Jerious Norwood and Chester Taylor
If I'm Kevin Colbert, an interesting name I wouldnt mind them adding would be someone named Ladainian Tomlinson. You may have heard of him. A 3DRB who can catch out of the backfield and spot-start if something were to happen to Redman.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I agree that I think there is a good chance they take a RB in the draft. But if they do, it should be a guy they cant count on being Redman's backup, and if thats the case, it has to be a 2nd-4th rounder as you said. Anything lower, and they likely will be no better than Clay or Dwyer. I wouldnt be opposed to this strategy, but in all honesty I would prefer them signing a FA, especially if its the 2nd and to a lesser degree 3rd pick they would use for a RB. By all accounts, Baron Batch can fill Mewelde's role, so I dont see why theyd sign Forsett or Norwood. Ronnie and Chester dont exactly make me tingly all over either. Id like a RB with prototypical size but more speed than Redman, and I guess that comes in the draft but at what price/round?ETA: Im not sure what Isaiah Pead's round projection is, but he's a guy I would be happy to see the Steelers draft in Id guess the 3rd+ round
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not picking on you Kenny because there is a lot of love for Baron Batch amongst Steelers fans but Batch was a 7th round pick that looked good in a couple practices before he tore his ACL. He has zero NFL games under his belt, not even a preseason game. Mewelde played a key role in the offense and made some big plays. I am not ready to hand the job to Batch just yet and would like to see the Steelers sign a veteran FA, for insurance if nothing else. Forsett and/or Norwood would be a welcome addition assuming they can be had at a bargain basement price.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steeler veterans that were released needed to go. I didn't have the problem with Bruce Arians that a lot of other Steelers fans did but I think a change was needed there as well.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Maybe in 2008. Moore had 33 touches last year. I wouldnt even call 2 touches per game a role. A replacement for him would be nice, and maybe its Batch or maybe not, but I dont think its as vital as just getting another RB in town that is better than the guys behind Redman.'Godsbrother said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Redman took away a lot of playing time away from Moore last season. If Redman is starting then you have the three headed monster of Clay, Dwyer and Batch as backup and 3rd down back. That might work out but certainly isn't a warm and cozy place to be.I think they almost have to sign a veteran FA even if they do take a RB early in the draft.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Duce was a good addition before the wheels totally came off. They didn't sign him to be a world beater. Just bruise with the Bus.'The Hank said:
Steelers were never going to make a big splash at RB in FA (the last time they did that was Duce Staley, and we all know how THAT turned out)
More than likely, Steelers will wait for the draft to add RB depth, dont be surprised the Steelers to use a relatively high pick (#2-4) to do so as well.
If they go the FA route, they will need the MM type back. I think it'll be Justin Forsett. Other possibilities: Ronnie Brown, Jerious Norwood and Chester Taylor
If I'm Kevin Colbert, an interesting name I wouldnt mind them adding would be someone named Ladainian Tomlinson. You may have heard of him. A 3DRB who can catch out of the backfield and spot-start if something were to happen to Redman.
