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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)

JuniorNB said:
Bossman said:
Ah, yes .... just happy to be there. It's a win for PHI already.
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Sorry if that bothers you. We were picked to finish in third place in our division. This season has been a fairy tale. Out of the 53 points Philly has scored in the playoffs, not a single one has been scored by a player who was on last year's roster. 

I won't go as far as saying 'just happy to be here'. We've gotten this far, of course I'd love to finally get a ring. But the Patriots were supposed to be here. There wasn't a single Philly fan expecting this before the season started. Or after Wentz went down.  This has been an awesome season regardless of Sunday's outcome. I'm sorry if that takes some of the fun away for you.  :(  
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:goodposting:   Yes, a loss at this point would be devastating in the short term.  But what a ride after just hoping for a 9-win season.  There were a lot of fans, and national talking heads, who weren't even sure if Doug P. was going to survive to year #3.  And we needed to see if Wentz was going to be a good QB after fading down the stretch of '16.  Then after he went down the narrative was "you can't go anywhere with Foles", "they'll never beat the Falcons", "OK you got lucky with the Falcons, but Minn has the #1 defense will completely expose the Eagles as frauds".  So yeah, I've had a great time watching this team exceed all expectations.  OTOH, NE's season is a failure if they get beat by a couple of nobodies in Pederson and Foles.

Eagles' future is bright win or lose.  NE is coming to a cross-roads in the near future.

 
Thunderlips said:
This is good schtick.

I think I'm going to go with a version of the Woody Harrleson schtick at the beginning of White Men Can't Jump when he beats Wesley Snipes on the beach court...... " I can't believe the GOAT QB and the GOAT HC got beat by a slow, white, geeky, backup QB chump (Nick Foles).
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Can you imagine being a New England fan if the eagles win?  Totally healthy and losing to a team with four starters on IR? Pro-Bowl caliber starters, yet.  It could force Brady into thinking about retirement. 

Of course, they're the favorites, so I can't see that happening.   :coffee:

 
Anarchy99 said:
As has been discussed, the line is moving based on PHI blowing out MIN and NE squeaking by JAX. I mentioned earlier that historically a blowout paired with a close game is not really indicative of much of anything, and if anything might show that the teams barely won might have had an advantage based on how things played out. In the SB era, here were the years when one team won by three possessions (17 points or more) in a championship game paired with a team that won in a single possession game in a championship game:

2017 NE +4
2017 PHI +31

2015 DEN +2 defeated CAR +34
2014 NEP +38 defeated SEA +6
2006 IND +4 defeated CHI +25
1999 STL +5 defeated TEN +19
1991 WAS +31 defeated BUF +3
1990 NYG +2 defeated BUF +48
1986 NYG +17 defeated DEN +3
1981 SFO +1 defeated CIN +20
1977 DAL +17 defeated DEN +3
1975 PIT +6 defeated DAL +30
1972 MIA +4 defeated WAS +23
1968 NYJ +4 defeated BAL:+34
1967 GBP +4 defeated OAK +33
1966 GBP +7 defeated KCC +24

In 14 other SB's, the team that won by 17 or more points the game before went 4-10.

Clearly that has no direct impact on what happens on the field on Sunday, but it certainly does show in the past a trend that the blow out winners often did not perform as well after a convincing victory.
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I think you're overthinking.  The Brady/Belichick Pats have been in 7 Superbowl games so far.  Every one of those games has been decided by a single score.  That doesn't have any impact on what will happen Sunday.  But I think it influences betting..

 
Anarchy99 said:
Which brings us to the $64,000 question: how to assess the Eagles defense . . . are they really one of the rare, uber elite defenses from the past 40 years (like they have played the past month)? Are they the team that was on pace to allow 19.2 ppg (making them a Top 6 or 8 defense from this year . . . not a Top 6 or 8 defense over the past 40 years)? Something in the middle?

Add that to the burning questions involving the Eagles. The first one is which Nick Foles will show up (the one with passer ratings of 69, 59, and 9 against the Rams, Raiders, and Cowboys . . . or the one with passer ratings of 115, 100, and 141 against the Giants, Falcons, and Vikings).

Add the Eagles defense to that. Will the defense perform like the one with Wentz (over 19 ppg over 13 games with Wentz) . . . or the one over the past 4 games with Foles (8.25 ppg)?
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Eagles defense is really good.  Not top 10 of all-time good, but good.

I have no worries about Foles.  The guy missed training camp with an injury and then got no reps during the season.  Now with nearly 2 months of work, he'll be fine.  

 
Niles Standish said:
I think you're overthinking.  The Brady/Belichick Pats have been in 7 Superbowl games so far.  Every one of those games has been decided by a single score.  That doesn't have any impact on what will happen Sunday.  But I think it influences betting..
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Just read the comments in this thread. Or listen to talk radio or sports tv. Plenty of people are explaining that the line is moving because the Eagles blew out the Vikings and the Patriots barely squeaked by the Jaguars.

 
JuniorNB said:
Can you imagine being a New England fan if the eagles win?  Totally healthy and losing to a team with four starters on IR? Pro-Bowl caliber starters, yet.  It could force Brady into thinking about retirement. 

Of course, they're the favorites, so I can't see that happening.   :coffee:
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I get that a lot of the commentary in here has been shtick, but the Patriots are far from healthy. Edelman, Hightower, Cannon, Bennett, Mitchell and 10 other guys on IR. Gronk still not cleared from a concussion. Multiple starters and contributors still banged up. NE has as many important players out as PHI does with the huge exception of QB.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Just read the comments in this thread. Or listen to talk radio or sports tv. Plenty of people are explaining that the line is moving because the Eagles blew out the Vikings and the Patriots barely squeaked by the Jaguars.
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I think it's less that "Eagles blew out the Vikings" as it is "Nick Foles proved he could be effective".  If this was a Wentz-led Eagles team, it would probably be close to a pick-em, although Patriots probably would still be favored by a point or two due to the experience they have.  Patriots squeaking by the Jags is irrelevant - they're a good defense, no one expected a blowout.  The line directly correlates to how effective the perception of the Eagles QB situation is - the lingering impression had still been the last 2 games of the season when he struggled.  That perception is now slowly lifting, but still uncertain (as it should be, with such a small sample size).

 
JuniorNB said:
Normally, that would be crushing and extremely discouraging. But with Brady's age and the fact that the league MVP isn't even in the Eagles' lineup, I'd still leave the experience knowing that we have many great years ahead.  I'll be watching with extreme excitement and little to no stress. Hell, New England should win easily, no?  There's no way that coach and quarterback can get beat by a team with a backup quarterback that, right? 
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Because you have a good team doesn't mean you're going back anytime soon. Believe me

 
JuniorNB said:
Can you imagine being a New England fan if the eagles win?  Totally healthy and losing to a team with four starters on IR? Pro-Bowl caliber starters, yet.  It could force Brady into thinking about retirement. 

Of course, they're the favorites, so I can't see that happening.   :coffee:
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Yup, "totally healthy" not counting Patriots starters Edelman and Hightower on IR (a top 25 WR and best pass-rushing linebacker as graded by Profootball Focus).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-10-best-players-who-could-hit-free-agency-in-2017

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-wr-julian-edelman-signs-an-extension-with-the-patriots

Only pathetic football fans use injuries as an excuse.  Did Patriots fan complain about Gronk being injured last year when they lost to Atlanta in the SB??  Oh wait, nevermind, the Patriots won.  :lmao:

 
JuniorNB said:
Can you imagine being a New England fan if the eagles win?  Totally healthy and losing to a team with four starters on IR? Pro-Bowl caliber starters, yet.  It could force Brady into thinking about retirement. 

Of course, they're the favorites, so I can't see that happening.   :coffee:
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They aren't totally healthy (best wr & lb r missing) but fwiw, if they lose its not going to bother me anymore than playoff the losses to Indy, Den, Bal , Nyg etc. Personally I think the wins can be sweeter such as 07 would have been and 2014 was. But the 07 loss bothers me no more than any of those i listed or if NE loses this one. The other team is getting paid too and Philly is a pretty good. It's not like NE is an overwhelming favorite in this game anyway, I think if the betting public felt a little more confident Foles would continue to play as well as he has (IE as good or better than Wenz) this game would be pretty much even. 

It is a little curious to hear all the underdog stuff be played up constantly (i get it, believe me) and yet listening to Philly radio you wonder if NE should even bother showing up since so many seem to feel they are going to get crushed so bad. It was similar with ATL fans last year but don't remember quite so much of the we are going to crush them talk I am hearing now. Im hoping some of that over confidence filters down to the Eagles themselves and I want to say I can almost sense it but won't since it is most likely just wishful thinking on my part.

Should be a great game.

 
espnespn said:
Yup, "totally healthy" not counting Patriots starters Edelman and Hightower on IR (a top 25 WR and best pass-rushing linebacker as graded by Profootball Focus).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-10-best-players-who-could-hit-free-agency-in-2017

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-wr-julian-edelman-signs-an-extension-with-the-patriots

Only pathetic football fans use injuries as an excuse.  Did Patriots fan complain about Gronk being injured last year when they lost to Atlanta in the SB??  Oh wait, nevermind, the Patriots won.  :lmao:
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I don't use injuries as an excuse. Your butty Bossman decided to try to troll and act like Philly fans are going to be so distraught if they end up losing the game. I had to remind him that we are playing with our backup quarterback and three other Pro Bowlers on IR. I think we would deal with it just fine as the future certainly looks bright. Did you see how the packers played when Rodgers went down? How about the Cowboys two years ago when Romo got hurt?  Most teams fold when they lose their MVP-level quarterback. We're in the Super Bowl.  My post was in response to a troll. Not you. Don't get your panties all in a knot. 

 
JuniorNB said:
LOL  Yes. Most Eagles fans are guaranteeing it. I see you're a Minnesota boy. Sorry about the championship game.  Are you going to watch the Birds on Sunday?
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I'll be watching the Superbowl, yes. I don't get all bent out of shape when "my team" loses. I'd like to see them win someday, but it wont change my life. 

 
JuniorNB said:
I don't use injuries as an excuse. Your butty Bossman decided to try to troll and act like Philly fans are going to be so distraught if they end up losing the game. I had to remind him that we are playing with our backup quarterback and three other Pro Bowlers on IR. I think we would deal with it just fine as the future certainly looks bright. Did you see how the packers played when Rodgers went down? How about the Cowboys two years ago when Romo got hurt?  Most teams fold when they lose their MVP-level quarterback. We're in the Super Bowl.  My post was in response to a troll. Not you. Don't get your panties all in a knot. 
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My post was a message to savor these days leading up to the game ... which then turned to a remembrance of my emotional roller coaster during last years Superbowl.

...  and if PHI fan were distraught after losing the SB ... I wouldn't blame them. I've been in that same place 4 times (vs. Bears, vs. Packers, vs. Giants x2).

Totally sucks ... not only is it ok to be distraught ... it's expected.  You are a strong fan if you're able to hold your head high after losing one.

Down 25-3 last year, I was distraught. I couldn't drink beer fast enough. 

(and if this years game had both teams starting their back up QB's, PHI would be a 11 point favorite ... and win by 20) 

 
There actually would be nothing more "Philly" than Foles winning the Super Bowl after Wentz got hurt and Wentz playing his whole career here and never getting back.  

 
Thunderlips said:
There actually would be nothing more "Philly" than Foles winning the Super Bowl after Wentz got hurt and Wentz playing his whole career here and never getting back.  
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Technically, if we’re being historically accurate, there’s nothing more “Philly” than losing the Super Bowl. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I'll be watching the Superbowl, yes. I don't get all bent out of shape when "my team" loses. I'd like to see them win someday, but it wont change my life. 
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Oh ok.  You seemed a little salty when you made up the thing about people saying they'll win multiple rings with Wentz. 

 
[icon] said:
Technically, if we’re being historically accurate, there’s nothing more “Philly” than losing the Super Bowl. 
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Is it true that Donavan McNabb was out drinking the night before the super bowl  ... and that's why he was dry-heaving in the huddle during that drive at the end of the game?

Everyone was saying "what the heck are they doing? Why no hurry up?".  Belechick said he had to look at the scoreboard to make sure his team was winning .. because PHI was killing clock.

 
JuniorNB said:
:lmao:   The smart play would have to simply say touche'. 
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Why? It was a logical fallacy. :)  

• The most "Philly thing ever" in Super Bowls is to lose (They have lost every time they've been in a Super Bowl).   
• The most "Patriots thing ever" in Superbowls isn't to get caught cheating. (They've never been "caught cheating" in a Super Bowl) 

:shrug:

To be fair, it's not the most Patriots thing ever" to win the Super Bowl either.... we've only won 5 of 9 finalized appearances with 1 pending.  

Maybe the most Patriots thing ever is to be IN Super Bowls... having been in about 20% of them historically and 8 of the last 17. 

 
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Bossman said:
Is it true that Donavan McNabb was out drinking the night before the super bowl  ... and that's why he was dry-heaving in the huddle during that drive at the end of the game?

Everyone was saying "what the heck are they doing? Why no hurry up?".  Belechick said he had to look at the scoreboard to make sure his team was winning .. because PHI was killing clock.
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Sounds about right

 
[icon] said:
Why? It was a logical fallacy. :)  

• The most "Philly thing ever" in Super Bowls is to lose (They have lost every time they've been in a Super Bowl).   
• The most "Patriots thing ever" in Superbowls isn't to get caught cheating. (They've never been "caught cheating" in a Super Bowl) 

:shrug:  
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You said the words Super Bowl, I didn't.  Again, when you just say touche', you don't have to continue to get beat up.  :coffee:

 
[icon] said:
I know you guys are in unfamiliar territory, but I'll go ahead and point out the obvious: This is the Super Bowl thread.

HTH  :brush:
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It's also a football thread. And I seem to recall a certain team losing a draft pick and having their QB suspended last year for cheating.  :excited:

 
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Bossman said:
and imagine how much better NE would be if they didn't lose a 1st and 4th rd draft pick two years ago because footballs were 0.5 lbs under-inflated.

Maybe we'd be looking at a quality 2nd year DE or OLB with that late 1st rd pick. 
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Well, they didnt lose those picks because the balls were deflated.  The penalty for that is $250, per the NFL rule book..

They lost the picks because they lied about it and attempted to covered it up.

 
JuniorNB said:
Oh ok.  You seemed a little salty when you made up the thing about people saying they'll win multiple rings with Wentz. 
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Made things up? This is a quote from you.

”but Carson Wentz is going to win someSuper  Bowls.”

I think the “s” implies multiple. 

 
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Technically, if we’re being historically accurate, there’s nothing more “Philly” than losing the Super Bowl. 
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Technically, if we're being historically accurate, there's nothing more "Philly" than not getting to the Super Bowl.  Nice try though, Chachi. 

 
JAA said:
Well, they didnt lose those picks because the balls were deflated.  The penalty for that is $250, per the NFL rule book..

They lost the picks because they lied about it and attempted to covered it up.
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The rule is a minimum $25K fine per ball and other considerations of the commissioner. They did not lose picks for covering it up. In fact, NE gave the NFL all their video footage and self reported one of the ball guys stopping to go to the bathroom. The Wells report even mentioned the team fully complying with the investigation except for limiting access to the two ball attendants for a fourth time. 

If you recall, Goodell issued his penalties and then tried to inflate them after Brady’s arbitration hearing. But all the penalties were already handed down and they were not for failure to comply with the investigation. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
Just read the comments in this thread. Or listen to talk radio or sports tv. Plenty of people are explaining that the line is moving because the Eagles blew out the Vikings and the Patriots barely squeaked by the Jaguars.
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yeh, i'm thinking the public money hasn't even started coming in yet. my guess is similar to @Niles Standish and i would guess public comes in later this week on NE depending where the line is

 
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