Yes. Losing the superbowl is better than not making the superbowl or losing a round earlier.
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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter East Coast Bias
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Know who else went 5-3 in championships? Magic. Not too shabby, but still not Jordan (Montana).
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You would MAYBE have a point if those SB loses where on the Qb and they played like crap. 1st 2 loses he took the lead at the end of the game, just happened the other team took it back and won. Yesterday the dude threw for 505 and 3TDs - the fumble was a great play on D. This is just nuts (and probably a fishing trip).
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Tom Brady left no doubt in my mind that he is the GOAT with that performance. I haven't seen the Eagles D get carved up like that all season. Brady was perfect for 58 minutes. Any other QB and I think the Eagles win that game by 20.
Thanks to icon and Anarchy, I really enjoyed the banter back and forth. It's good to get a perspective from opposing fans. Would love to hear what happened with Malcolm Butler.
Thanks to icon and Anarchy, I really enjoyed the banter back and forth. It's good to get a perspective from opposing fans. Would love to hear what happened with Malcolm Butler.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If you go back to the first few pages of this thread, I posted my adjusted season scoring and projection for the game. PHI was a half point favorite. I said it was a coin toss and with the TB/BB combination that might give the Pats a 55/45 advantage. In multiple threads I mentioned NE would be lucky or fortunate to win.
I did make a case that the NE defense was getting overlooked, which was completely wrong. However, I also felt Brady would have a huge day given how well Ei played against PHI. I got that one right. The real difference in the game was NE’s inability to tackle anyone. There were a ton of plays where they seemed to have someone contained but didn’t. Give credit to the Eagles players for being elusive or barreling thorough tackles, but man the Pats couldn’t bring anyone down.
I also think the Pats got too cute on offense. They were moving the ball all game. Just keep doing what was working and I think they would have ended up with more scoring opportunities.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
What's the word out of NE on why Butler was pulled right before the game. Seems like a tactical error to make a switch like that pre-game. Rowe got burned bad in the first half by Alshon Jeffrey.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The word is no one knows much at this point. One thought someone had was he missed the team flight to MIN earlier in the week and that might be against team rules.
But B.B. and Patricia both said he was not benched for disciplinary reasons. If he had been, they would have known that ahead of time. The whole thing is really odd.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Didn't Brady just throw for 500 yards 3 TDs and 0 INTs? Now if you want to argue that Brady won several of his Super Bowls on the leg of his kicker and his defense, and not his arm, then I'll buy into that, but Brady was fantastic tonight.
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Insoxicated
MAN I am kinda still drunk 
HUGE props to Philly on the win. You guys came to ball and you balled hard. Very very well deserved win. Congrats on not only this title, but what I’d likely a very competitive foundation for the future.
Damn fine football team IMO, I don’t care what the cowboys fans say
HUGE props to Philly on the win. You guys came to ball and you balled hard. Very very well deserved win. Congrats on not only this title, but what I’d likely a very competitive foundation for the future.
Damn fine football team IMO, I don’t care what the cowboys fans say
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Yeah, Brady really wasn't the reason why NE didn't win this year. Averaged 377 passing yards in the playoffs with 8 TD, 0 INT, and a 108.6 rating. Oddly enough, he actually averaged 379 passing yards a game last postseason. In 8 Super Bowls, NE won 5 of them, was ahead with a minute to go in two of them, and still had the lead with just over two minutes to go last night.
In his 8 SB appearances (basically the equivalent of half a season), Brady's numbers: 65.8% completion percentage, 7.2 YPA, 2576 passing yards, 18 TD, 5 INT, 97.1 rating.
satch
Footballguy
Can a person make a statement like this and still be called sane? No. No he can’t, because it’s asinine to suggest that a QB generally accepted as the greatest of all time would see that staus jeopardized by setting Super Bowl passing records after leading his team to yet another AFC Championship title.
Yes, he certainly can. He wasn't the reason why NE lost.
The dude just threw for 500+ yards against a very good defense.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Yes. He was sick and did not take the team flight to MIN (but that was a week ago). In the past, typically if you didn't travel with the team, you didn't play. At least those not named Brady.
I heard that he was also late to a meeting. I am sure we will hear a lot of speculation this week.
Workhorse
Footballguy
The answer is one game. Last night was the first time it has happened in NFL history.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
I was wondering it out loud at the SB party I was at last night...
Has a team ever given up >35pts and still won a SB?
need2know
Footballguy
All their stats were fantastic and made me smile as we were winning all night long
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
No doubt about it. I wasn't trying to take anything away from anyone - it was a random thought I had while watching both offenses march up/down the field.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
If he was outcoached, I don't think it was anything drastic. I don't think he butchered any calls to be honest. The Patriots just didn't execute on a few plays. If Brady catches the ball, he might have walked in for that TD. The defense couldn't make a single stop but I'm not sure how much of that is on Belichick.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Bart Starr. Guy is 5 and 0 and up until this year and Nick Foles run had the career playoff passer rating and he managed that in an era where passing was extraordinarily difficult, so difficult that the next dozen and a half career playoff passing ratings after his all come from the last 20 years. He was a man outside his era. Brady is a reflection of his time and the changed rules. That said, Brady did well last night. Far better than he had done in some of their wins. He showed me something, not with his throws, anybody could have made those (he had guys running free by three and four yards not more than ten yards from him), but with the rapid decision making to get to the throws and with his masterful control of the safeties with his eyes. In defeat he showed me as much as he ever showed in victory. Good for him.
need2know
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Again, the defense couldn't tackle anyone. Is that on Belichick? What do you mean by offensive adjustments? Did they not just put up 600+ yards on the Eagles defense? Am I missing something here? The Eagles just made one play on defense and the Patriots couldn't. To me, that doesn't mean that he was outcoached.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Let's call things the way things were. Neither defense showed up or made many adjustments. The better team won, but PHI allowed 75 more yards than NE did. The Eagles defense was nothing to write home about. They got a big turnover when they needed it, but the rest of the game they were not all that great.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Exactly this. Neither coach really bumbled the game away. That's what I expected to see with 2 great coaches. Just 2 teams who couldn't execute on defense and 2 teams who played lights out on offense.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I can't stop watching Fletcher Cox on that play. He walks two linemen back into the backfield preventing Brady from escaping forward or to the left. He freed up the other guys and still pinned Brady so the play could be made. He was a man on that play.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Both defenses weren't very good last night but the rules so much favor offenses any more that you can still win giving up 600 yards. The yardage and points being pit up by offenses nowadays were unthinkable in the past.
I would like to see the rules change a little to swing the pendulum back for defense a smidge but people love scoring so that won't happen.
babydemon90
Footballguy
yep. Honestly watching the game, I thought NE was going to pull it out, I didn't think Nicky Foles could keep up with Brady in a shootout. If Brandon Graham doesn't strip Brady there, I don't think anyone had any doubt that NE was in great position to go down the field and win the game.
I was hoping when the Eagles had the ball that previous possession they could somehow burn the entire clock. Just a little too much time left.
There were minor miscuses on offense by both sides, but in general both offenses obviously played stellar. Both defense played horrible. Eagles secondary had no answer for when receivers would change direction - Brady did great, but there were guys WIDE open. I'm not sure how much of that is scheme, how much is the WR ability. (Is Hogan really that good?) He wasn't fitting the ball into tight windows on many of those throws. Foles had to make some real tight passes (that one first down to Agholar on the Eagles TD drive especially).
need2know
Footballguy
Some of nes wrs were so open I couldn't believe they didn't score on some of those catches
Anarchy99
Footballguy
While I agree that Brady was hitting guys that were open, I would guess Brady either aligned guys to where he saw the lapses in coverage were going to be or the receivers are smart enough to break off routes to find the open spot.
Perhaps the best BB interview I ever heard was when he explained that Randy Moss came in and changed the way NE receivers ran routes forever. Moss taught Bill that on every play a receiver needs to have real time adjustments based on where the defensive players were aligned and moved to. Prior to that, NE had been calling plays and audibles with very little changes at the line or during the play.
It was crazy complex (at least to me) that there could be 6-8 variations AFTER the ball was snapped for guys to know where to go. It would also take the QB to know where the defensive puzzle pieces were going and have full trust in the receivers and the QB to be on the same page. That's when we saw the NE offense go from middle of the pack to the top of the league.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Good post by Chase this am: http://www.footballperspective.com/tom-brady-had-the-best-passing-performance-in-super-bowl-in-history/
metoo
Footballguy
I lived in Newport News for about 2 years and I couldn't wait to get out.The job was great but the people were not the most friendly and I'm being nice.
