Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
3 hitters and 3 starting pitchers are sometimes all it takes.I'm not counting them out. Not with the way the Rangers have looked lately. Josh is completely lost up there. :(
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***Official Texas Rangers 2012 Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Denial and sour grapes.
Bogart
Footballguy
Trout is doing stupid good things and seems to really be relaxing that team as a whole.The way Josh is looking and the way the pitching staff is taking longer and longer to get healthy, I will not count anyone out. Hell, even Oakland is putting on some pressure.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
No, I definitely see Oakland as the bigger threat than LA right now.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Do you mind me asking why?Think of it in a playoff series. If pitchers and position players are all healthy, how do you not fear the Angels at least somewhat? I think they match up well against Texas. Pitching, hitting, base running, defense...the Angels are solid.No, I definitely see Oakland as the bigger threat than LA right now.
culdeus
Footballguy
I don't fear LA because there are giant holes in that lineup. You can really rest through the 7-8-9 guys. Texas has issues too in some dead lineup spots, but there are options to resolve them LA doesn't have. Oak has the wrong mix for Texas of soft tossing lefties and nibbler righties. Just compare the way NYY handled both squads this month. I watched parts of all of those games and it looks night/day to me in many regards. NYY probably would have gotten the sweep if the Yankees didn't have their head up their asses on the basepaths that day.Do you mind me asking why?Think of it in a playoff series. If pitchers and position players are all healthy, how do you not fear the Angels at least somewhat? I think they match up well against Texas. Pitching, hitting, base running, defense...the Angels are solid.No, I definitely see Oakland as the bigger threat than LA right now.
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/23/one-and-done-colby-lewis-is-back-on-the-disabled-list/Lewis out for season... at least for now not another tommy John (edit)'ctdub said:
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oso diablo
Footballguy
i think you are way off base. Compare the Angels lineup to the Athletics lineup.Oakland goes sub-500 from here on out.'culdeus said:I don't fear LA because there are giant holes in that lineup. You can really rest through the 7-8-9 guys. Texas has issues too in some dead lineup spots, but there are options to resolve them LA doesn't have. Oak has the wrong mix for Texas of soft tossing lefties and nibbler righties. Just compare the way NYY handled both squads this month. I watched parts of all of those games and it looks night/day to me in many regards. NYY probably would have gotten the sweep if the Yankees didn't have their head up their asses on the basepaths that day.
culdeus
Footballguy
Well ####.Was up for a contract next year too. Sucks to be that guy. Was looking at at least 3/25 or so.
scoobus
Footballguy
Bogart
Footballguy
What happened?
coolnerd
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/nolan-ryan-says-josh-hamilton-is-giving-at-bats-away/
Nolan on Josh's approach
Nolan on Josh's approach
I would love that, but I think Philly would have to eat about $15 million to make that happen. I'm scared to think what Cliff would cost in prospects? Olt, Perez, Garcia, Feliz? Is that too much, not enough?If we end up trading for a pitcher I think Greinke is the most likely followed by Garza, followed by something crazy like Lee or Shields or someone we aren't even thinking about...The Tigers made a real nice trade yesterday, not sure when they get Voctor Martinez back, but that will feel like a trade deadline move when/if it happens. I'm most worried about Detroit and the Yankees. Although if the Ranger bats come to life in the last quarter of the season I think they will be fine.ETA: I feel for Colby. The guy was about to get paid. Only made ~$8mm in career earnings... I really hope he gets healthy and has a chance to get that contract from someone.Sucks to lose Colby. Guy has been a horse.It's not the most likely scenario, but I have a feeling we're going to be welcoming Cliff Lee back into the fold.
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culdeus
Footballguy
He is arbitration eligible so I think that means that if he can be cleared for opening day he'd be due at least 1/10 to 1/15 even. Don't quote me on how that all works as it's pretty far over my head (as are most things of that nature)I would love that, but I think Philly would have to eat about $15 million to make that happen. I'm scared to think what Cliff would cost in prospects? Olt, Perez, Garcia, Feliz? Is that too much, not enough?If we end up trading for a pitcher I think Greinke is the most likely followed by Garza, followed by something crazy like Lee or Shields or someone we aren't even thinking about...The Tigers made a real nice trade yesterday, not sure when they get Voctor Martinez back, but that will feel like a trade deadline move when/if it happens. I'm most worried about Detroit and the Yankees. Although if the Ranger bats come to life in the last quarter of the season I think they will be fine.ETA: I feel for Colby. The guy was about to get paid. Only made ~$8mm in career earnings... I really hope he gets healthy and has a chance to get that contract from someone.Sucks to lose Colby. Guy has been a horse.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I worked the AZL Rangers game against the Padres on Monday night which was in Peoria Stadium (spring training home of the Padres and Mariners if that helps recall it). Joey Gallo was up with two runners on and hit a home run to RF that cleared the berm behind the right field fences by a good margin. It was his 12th of the season which is about a month old.
Here's a little graphic of what you're talking about. http://www.bbtia.com/the-clubhouse/2012/7/24/joey-gallo-murdered-a-baseball-last-night.html
coolnerd
Footballguy
As if getting only 1 run out having guys in scoring position for 4/5 innings in a row, the 3 outs all on 1st pitches weak swings was poor baseball execution.
Edit: Hoping Beltre is alright. Best offensive player on the team at the moment. Can't afford to any time off.
Edit: Hoping Beltre is alright. Best offensive player on the team at the moment. Can't afford to any time off.
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culdeus
Footballguy
I for one am shocked that MIA is already in firesale mode. Shocked I tell you.
I am sort of resigned about this season. Several vets aren't putting it together this year. I think you just ride this season out and know you have 3-4 mega stud prospects lined up in the pipe.
Still a chance to put together something special. Nothing else in the AL looks as strong as what was there last year.
Too many guys to sign to mortgage the farm for this year.
I am sort of resigned about this season. Several vets aren't putting it together this year. I think you just ride this season out and know you have 3-4 mega stud prospects lined up in the pipe.
Still a chance to put together something special. Nothing else in the AL looks as strong as what was there last year.
Too many guys to sign to mortgage the farm for this year.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Yikes. I get that Johnson has the makeup of being a big time pitcher but he is a serious gamble. An injury riddled gamble. Greinke would be so much better.
Bogart
Footballguy
I think Olt stays. I agree with you. I think they ride out with what they have.
I agree. I prefer greinke too. I think we would actually have a shot at resigning him too. JJ scares me, but I trust JD at this point.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Josh looks lost up there. 
Home "fans" booing him.
Home "fans" booing him.I just rewatched his final at bat to see what you're talking about and didn't notice fans booing. Maybe a few random jeers, but he was definitely not boo'd by fand on the ranger telecast... Not that ranger fans are above that.... Colby and CJ have both been boo'd while wearing the ranger uniform the last 2 years... Just didn't hear fans giving it to Hamilton tonight.Josh looks lost up there.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
AZL Rangers down 4-3 in the bottom of the 9th - Joey Gallo pinch hit home run tied the game and the Rangers won in the bottom of the 10th
And now he has been booed. Some dumb fans.I just rewatched his final at bat to see what you're talking about and didn't notice fans booing. Maybe a few random jeers, but he was definitely not boo'd by fand on the ranger telecast... Not that ranger fans are above that.... Colby and CJ have both been boo'd while wearing the ranger uniform the last 2 years... Just didn't hear fans giving it to Hamilton tonight.Josh looks lost up there.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
As he said after the game - it's the "what have you done for me lately boos"
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Joey closing in on AZL record which is 16 (by Mariners Wladimir Balentien in 2003)
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
Dempster added - no word yet on what they had to give up
Bogart
Footballguy
Bogart
Footballguy
Villanueva makes perfect sense. Blocked by Olt (oh yeah, and Beltre) and you have Gallo coming up right behind him.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Man, how times have changed.
As pointed out by Evan Grant this morning, Pujols has nearly caught Josh in batting average. 284 to 287So the Rangers and Red Sox were discussing a mega deal for Ellsbury, Beckett and Shoppach. Crazy
I also heard from someone yesterday (good source) that Elvis was almost dealt. I think I'm going to shed some grown man tears the day Elvis doesn't put on a Ranger uniform. I really hope he doesn't get traded in the off season.
I also heard from someone yesterday (good source) that Elvis was almost dealt. I think I'm going to shed some grown man tears the day Elvis doesn't put on a Ranger uniform. I really hope he doesn't get traded in the off season.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Honestly the rangers have been playing like a team that should be 10 games back for quite awhile now. There was a lead to play with and the Rangers has managed to jerk it away. Even with the injuries (not minor) and such the biggest difference is that Hamilton thought it was a good idea to go from historic MVP performance to basically being a pitcher batting in the middle of the line-up, while Trout took over the historic MVP stuff. The fact As are scrappy enough to hang around is more an annoyance than a threat.
scoobus
Footballguy
Who does he replace in the lineup? Please tell me it's Young.
One can only hope. If he at least cuts into Youngs time it will be a win.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
The guy at Razzball is predicting he cuts into Young's playing time, and Beltre DH's more.
