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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter goonsquad
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I get what they mean with the plot, really you don't need to explain it to me anymore, I'm just trying to say it's stupid. Especially stupid as far as zombie movies go.In season 2, not many walkers were near the farm. It wasn't until the show showed us the helicopter and the sound, along with other sounds (gunshots) that more showed up and found their way there. That is what is happening now, only we don't know what this years "helicopter" is. We don't know why they are all advancing on the prison. We know it's something as the show itself has alluded to numerous times. So, yeah, I think during season 3 and in beween that season and this season (not shown), they were just trying to keep the numbers in check. Nothing up to this point has made them think to do otherwise.I'm not skipping over anything. I just think it's stupid to think more zombies aren't going to show up. As a viewer can you say you never saw that one coming? When you saw them occasionally killing zombies at the perimeter did you think they were trying to eventually kill them all or just keep the numbers in check?Please re-read what I wrote. I think you are skipping things over. As I said, the show is clearly making the viewer aware that the zombies are showing up en masse for a reason. I am sure we will find out why soon enough. If not for this "reason" that the viewer will be presented with, I think it would have been status quo as far as number of zombies at the fence (the amount they had shown all during season 3).Yes it does. World taken over by zombies = Always expect more zombies to show up. Zombie survival 101.This doesn't make what I said any less true.
Hey don't get me wrong, WD is one of the 4-5 TV shows I make sure I watch every week. I love horror/zombie stuff. I just think for one of the top cable series right now they need to do a better job to not insult the intelligence of their viewers. Episode 2 dropped 13% off the series premier in number of viewers (16 million to 14 million) and I have to think it was because of the lack of plot and story line. I don't think any one expects it to be real, but, I think at a minimum they'd make it fell real by covering the "what would I do in that situation basics" for the viewers that have seen a zombie horror movie or two.
Mile High
Footballguy
Promo with thousands of walkers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-j7wSFYD2PY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-j7wSFYD2PY
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
3 black people in a car with the show's most popular character. One of them is dying.
Zaxxon
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Nothing more annoying than when people make a point like this, and I think most will agree on that. As if any discussion about the show is off the table because we're not talking about a show set in the real world.Copeman said:
Would you have been ok if the Star Wars trilogy had ended with Palpatine deciding that he would settle the outcome of the rebellion via a game of thumb war with Luke? I mean, the whole premise of Star Wars is ridiculous. There's no such thing as Jedi's or Sith or even spaceships with lasers. So anything goes, right?
The show should adhere to the laws of the universe they've set up.
The Walking Dead isn't the first zombie material to get popular. However, the reason it got SO popular is because of the realistic approach it took to the way people acted once you got past the premise. It was what real people would do if they were caught up in a world with a bunch of slow moving zombies, and people could relate to it because we've all thought about what we would do. Now, the show really isn't what everyone bought into anymore. It's still entertaining, but it doesn't feel real. It doesn't grip us the way it did because we know everything that happens is just arbitrary and is done, not because it's what people would really do in that situation, but because the writers/new showrunners have gotten too lazy to properly set up a difficult situation and instead have fallen back on unrealistic character stupidity to manufacturer moments of action cheese. It's the same path that Dexter followed and the same path that Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones have avoided.
tdoss
Footballguy
These zombie dumb@zzes walk right into the barricades and get stuck. You can't tell me that putting about 50 of those bad boys spread out all over won't assist with this nonsense.
But it doesn't matter...the writers OBVIOUSLY want us to believe there's no way to stay at the prison...our group has to lose a few peeps while hitting the road to the next plot device.
tdoss
Footballguy
They mentioned that this batch is not as bad as last month.Copeman said:
They've already been attacked by one-eyed superman Govna...why can't he return? Why can't another half-crazed individual with weapons and friends not attack?
There's no reason not to line that field outside that fence with those barriers, broken down vehicles and traps. There's no reason not to have a nightly watch. There's no reason not to lock the stinking doors and use the security of the prison itself.
All except...the writers have a plot point to reach and don't care how they get there...someone is sabotaging the place from the inside...and the zombies are mounting on the outside...and there's disease inside and out...time to move them along because if it were anyone but these created ignorant characters...they'd have secured that facility to the point where it would take the National Guard a few days to infiltrate it.
tdoss
Footballguy
Honestly...this damn comment just needs to stop.Copeman said:
I have no idea how you and others who keep posting this nonsense cannot see what we're saying here.
Put the fanboy rationalization on hold for a moment and realize we're just saying that there are SERIOUS holes in this writing.
Just because we have Zombies...doesn't mean people should be able to miraculously fly, right?
Or...if one of the characters decided he wanted to fly...just by simply choosing to do so...with no reasoning or anything to help us understand why this guy can now fly within this zombie infested universe...would you still defend the show with this canned response when we come in here to question it and call it ridiculous?
You know exactly what people are saying here and it's not unreasonable. Pretty much all of us watch Game of Thrones...but you don't see the same level of vitriol pointed at that show because even though they have magic, dragons, walking dead, etc...it's STILL WELL WRITTEN...and there's simply NO REASON why this can't be as well thought out...or at the very least, CONSIDERED...but the nonsense we have to swallow each week gets larger and larger with no foot off the gas.
We're just asking for a little common damned sense...you don't have to have military geniuses or zombie apocalypse experts to know you should find a damn way to secure your sleeping quarters...it's a DAMN PRISON FOR GOD'S SAKE...use it's inherent freakin qualities!
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tdoss
Footballguy
Exactly...and what I found odd was the producer making a comment about a new Zombie spinoff they're working on where he's not limited by the source material to explore. My first thought was, "YEA, RIGHT!" The guy isn't sticking with the source material other than maybe character names, locations and maybe a few plot points...other than that...they've got free reign to make Cutty into one of the lamest wimps on screen, just so we can see "his transformation" once he finds his girl is a burnt french fry...they continue to take liberties with the "source material" so I don't buy his BS with the new show's focus. I'll probably still watch it...but I'm dying for a post apocalyptic zombie universe with a story that makes sense and the characters will SOMETIMES do something that make some sense instead of constantly selling the character's and the audience out in order to make it from plot A to plot B. It's like the damned girl who ALWAYS trips in the woods when being chased...after she went investigating the sound she heard outside by herself, only moments after finding her boyfriend cut into two halves by a machete wielding masked man.
It's my contention that "Jumping the Shark" should now be replaced and updated to "Rained Zombies".
I really think Dexter "rained zombies" somewhere around the 4th-5th season and never recuperated.
the moops
Footballguy
I would think they didnt feel the need to lock each individual cell because the doors to the outside were always locked at night. I didn't think about the possibility of someone dying by "natural" causes or something and turning on folks inside the locked block.
I thought this was a pretty damn good episode. And I am not even a real big fan of the show
I thought this was a pretty damn good episode. And I am not even a real big fan of the show
tdoss
Footballguy
I think we could probably sing a duet with harmonies rivaling Hall & Oates at this point...completely spot on, brother.
tdoss
Footballguy
How many times have we seen characters flip on you? Forget disease and zombies...you're in a prison with a bunch of people you've been forced to live with...I don't know you, man...unless you grew up in my house with me...I'm locking my cell door and not giving anyone the combo/key. When I was in Marine Corps boot camp, we locked up our footlockers...and even though our rooms were on a well protected and fenced in base...we always locked our wall lockers and our front doors. It's purely common human freaking nature...but not ONE of these characters have that common nature. Oh, except the one guy who sleep walks...and we had to get hit by a brick with that line to explain why he locked his door. When we all knew it was just done so the survivors could figure out it had to be disease. There's SO many other more intelligent ways to accomplish that task...all the while, retaining human nature and common sense.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Anybody considered the possibility that the doors weren't locked at night because of the following:
The prison is secured from the outside as far as they know. So there isn't much fear of being atacked in your cell/room
IF however, by some chance there is a breach or an attack from the governor or zombies get inside or whatever, they'll need to be able to get out quickly. Would think it's not ideal to have to unlock and open dozens of prison doors in the middle of the night if/when you need to get everyone out in a hurry.
At least you can use this logic to make the sequence of events more plausible
The prison is secured from the outside as far as they know. So there isn't much fear of being atacked in your cell/room
IF however, by some chance there is a breach or an attack from the governor or zombies get inside or whatever, they'll need to be able to get out quickly. Would think it's not ideal to have to unlock and open dozens of prison doors in the middle of the night if/when you need to get everyone out in a hurry.
At least you can use this logic to make the sequence of events more plausible
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tdoss
Footballguy
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
Let us not forget the season 2 gang of marauders as well. So Rick and the group know that there are just generic groups of people out there who are willing to do anything to scavange a living and are not nice people, so that is just another reason to maintain a night patrol. Not only are there roving bands of zombies looking to eat you, but any humans that find you in that prison will be looking to take what you have one way or another.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Weren't Glen and Maggie in the watch tower? I presume they are the first line of defense as long as they are not sleeping after boning each other.
snogger
Footballguy
Not sure why there is so much hatred for this show and why you'd continue to watch a show that you hate the characters and the writing.
Seems you'd find something better to do with your time then waste it watching something you don't like
As for not locking the cell doors..
They've been in the prison for months with no incidents inside.. You have people outside watching for any attack. no one has ever penetrated the prison from the outside and no one has died inside the "secured areas" inside the prison.. So you are bound to feel safe inside and stop watching your back..
The writers basically hit you over the head that the people inside the prison felt so safe they wander around alone with no weapons.
Saying that... if we get into this weeks episode, after what happened, and they show no one concerned about their safety Inside the prison then you'll have a legitimate complaint.
Now back to the show!!!
The horde previews look insane.
Seems you'd find something better to do with your time then waste it watching something you don't like
As for not locking the cell doors..
They've been in the prison for months with no incidents inside.. You have people outside watching for any attack. no one has ever penetrated the prison from the outside and no one has died inside the "secured areas" inside the prison.. So you are bound to feel safe inside and stop watching your back..
The writers basically hit you over the head that the people inside the prison felt so safe they wander around alone with no weapons.
Saying that... if we get into this weeks episode, after what happened, and they show no one concerned about their safety Inside the prison then you'll have a legitimate complaint.
Now back to the show!!!
The horde previews look insane.
(HULK)
(Smash)
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
At the end of last season when all the old folks from Woodbury came to live there, my first reaction was "they'd better start locking their cells at night in case one of these fools has a stroke or something". The only real argument against not locking your cell door is being able to get out in a hurry if need be if there are a limited set of keys. But even then I'd find a way to be able to close the door.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Its completely ridiculous to assume that people who have endured all of the trauma that each one of them has would ever have the ability to feel safe again.Not sure why there is so much hatred for this show and why you'd continue to watch a show that you hate the characters and the writing.
Seems you'd find something better to do with your time then waste it watching something you don't like
As for not locking the cell doors..
They've been in the prison for months with no incidents inside.. You have people outside watching for any attack. no one has ever penetrated the prison from the outside and no one has died inside the "secured areas" inside the prison.. So you are bound to feel safe inside and stop watching your back..
The writers basically hit you over the head that the people inside the prison felt so safe they wander around alone with no weapons.
Saying that... if we get into this weeks episode, after what happened, and they show no one concerned about their safety Inside the prison then you'll have a legitimate complaint.
Now back to the show!!!
The horde previews look insane.
If anything, 1/2 of them should be bonkers with PTSD.
Jobber
Footballguy
If that horde makes it to the prison, it's going to bowl right over any defenses in place. Moat, barriers, fences or otherwise. My guess is Rick and Co will bail out of the prison through the tombs and that broken down wall in the back. Losing most of the Woodbury folks they inherited in the process.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Exactly.
How about the doors werent locked because, I dont know, nothing has happened in there previously? Maybe they thought they were safe?
But no, the Guv may break in all by himself even though he couldnt get in with an army before....
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Go find the Lost thread and flip through that for a while. Half of these people are nuts. They'll watch shows for YEARS just to complain about it.Not sure why there is so much hatred for this show and why you'd continue to watch a show that you hate the characters and the writing.
Seems you'd find something better to do with your time then waste it watching something you don't like
As for not locking the cell doors..
They've been in the prison for months with no incidents inside.. You have people outside watching for any attack. no one has ever penetrated the prison from the outside and no one has died inside the "secured areas" inside the prison.. So you are bound to feel safe inside and stop watching your back..
The writers basically hit you over the head that the people inside the prison felt so safe they wander around alone with no weapons.
Saying that... if we get into this weeks episode, after what happened, and they show no one concerned about their safety Inside the prison then you'll have a legitimate complaint.
Now back to the show!!!
The horde previews look insane.
Nuts
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Yep. Feeling safe enough to use sheets as doors doesn't make sense to viewers watching the show for an hour each week. It's easy for us to be alert to any potential dangers for that short period of time. But if you're living in this world for a few years maybe you let your guard a bit when you're living somewhere that feels safe. A feeling of normalcy can't be underrated, which was one of the big points Woodbury made last season.
People randomly dropping dead and turning has always been a possibility, but it isn't one this group has had to deal with. They initially assumed there was a breach that lead to the cell block D attack. If a resident was slowly degrading due to cancer or something this oversight would be tougher to let slide.
I'm not saying they couldn't prepare for situations they haven't seen, but I'll cut them some slack. People make mistakes in real life too. If they were prepared for every possibility and thwarted all danger before it affected them this would be a pretty boring show.
(HULK)
(Smash)
If for whatever reason I was ever living in a prison during the zombie apocolypse, I KNOW that locking up my sleeping quarters every night would be a high priority issue for me. But, I grew up in and around a city and I'm used to locking doors and such. Maybe these small town southern fried folks didn't lock their doors before the walkers so why now?
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Unless you mean break into each individual room, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying to leave the front gates or the interior of the prison open...I'm saying to leave your cell room doors open. In theory, they believed they were safe within the prison walls. I would imagine the need to get out in a hurry would be a priority though just on the very tiny chance that they had to make a move. Would I lock my door at night? Sure I'd like to think I would considering I do it now and there are no zombies around. I'm just providing a way for some people to accept why the doors may not have been locked.
After the ridiculousness of last season, I don't know that this is something to get so hung-up on. This week's episode was probably my favorite since season 2, because it finally felt like they were in some danger from walkers and not nerdy pirate governors.
dhockster
Footballguy
You would thing Darryl has been around look enough to avoid being in this situation.
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VA703
Footballguy
the zombies are all flocking to the sounds of gunshotsCopeman said:Season 2 at the farm was the only big horde, other than on the highway where they all passed by. Again, what would lead them to believe that a horde so big could knock down a fence, when it was plenty enough to hold back what was coming previously? Again, for a horde to come, something needs to draw it in, as we saw in season 2.FreeBaGeL said:Considering they've been overrun by a horde of zombies multiple times throughout the course of the show, I would think that they're beyond the line of thinking of "there's only a couple of zombies out there right now, surely that means there will never ever be more than that".Copeman said:Please re-read what I wrote. I think you are skipping things over. As I said, the show is clearly making the viewer aware that the zombies are showing up en masse for a reason. I am sure we will find out why soon enough. If not for this "reason" that the viewer will be presented with, I think it would have been status quo as far as number of zombies at the fence (the amount they had shown all during season 3).tonydead said:Yes it does. World taken over by zombies = Always expect more zombies to show up. Zombie survival 101.Copeman said:This doesn't make what I said any less true.tonydead said:
Add to the fact that the walkers are all "grouping" now, something is different. They have shown this numerous times.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
So, if the prison is done for, where will the group end up later on? There has to be some ideas as to where they will go.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
See, here's the thing that none of you guys with your great plans seem to be considering: all this stuff has a cost. If you're going to set up anti-zombie barricades around the fence, that's time that you're not spending hunting, or farming, or teaching the kids how to knife-fight. If you want to weld your cell door with a god#### acetylene torch, you're probably not going to just find one laying around the prison. You have to leave the prison, find a hardware store, and bring one back, fighting any zombies that stand in your way the whole time.
In hindsight, it's easy to say "a zombie got into the prison, so they should have done this". When you don't know if that's going to happen, you don't know if preparing for that particular scenario is the best use of your limited resources.
The whole premise of finding a prison in the show was that something built too keep mass murders in would be perfect for keeping zombie hordes out. Leaving the cell doors open at night defeats that premise.
Can any of you defending leaving the doors open honestly say you didn't see that coming?
Can any of you defending leaving the doors open honestly say you didn't see that coming?
Oh, we better teach the little kids how to kill zombies because you never know when a zombie might show up..................but we'll just leave the cell doors open at night. lol
CBusAlex
Footballguy
In a thread dedicated to pointing out plot holes, no one mentioned locking the cell doors at night until after the last episode. I guess we're all just as dumb as the characters.
the moops
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
Sorry I didn't show up sooner. Maybe everyone else just assumed they were because you know 99.9999% of the show is when the characters are awake doing stuff.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Or you can let this go as a plot device in a ### ####ed show
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
No one mentioned it for the same reason that no one mentions that they drink water. It was just assumed that it was something they were doing. It was too obvious not to be. The entire point of them going there was so they could do things like that.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I have always thought that they should lock the doors. Ever since they had an old man who had his leg amputated living with them. Hell, just as an old man who could have a heart attack in his sleep, I'd lock my door.
That said, I don't think it takes away from the show that they didn't. The world is full of stupid people. Why should this show be any different?
That said, I don't think it takes away from the show that they didn't. The world is full of stupid people. Why should this show be any different?
(HULK)
(Smash)
I assumed the stupidest people were already zombie food.I have always thought that they should lock the doors. Ever since they had an old man who had his leg amputated living with them. Hell, just as an old man who could have a heart attack in his sleep, I'd lock my door.
That said, I don't think it takes away from the show that they didn't. The world is full of stupid people. Why should this show be any different?
