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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (4 Viewers)

So Rick knows already that Negan and his crew know about the Hilltop, since they Hilltoppers are the ones that told them about Negan in the first place.  Maggie is at the Hilltop with the doctor.  So why in the world would Rick think I was a good idea to lie to Negan when he asked where Maggie was, and tell him that Maggie was dead? Even showed Negan a fake grave...  All it takes is for Negan or one of his guys who was at the beating in the woods to go to the Hilltop for a pickup and see Maggie there, and boom now Negan knows Rick lied  

There must be something I'm missing there...why would the writers have Rick lie about that? 
Because..   as far as Negan is concerned, Rick and Alexandria have no idea what "Hilltop" is.. If you reveal that you are already working with Hilltop you become more a threat then you already are.. best to keep quiet about who you know and who you are working with so as to keep Negan and the Saviors thinking you are a lone wolf and hope he doesn't visit Hilltop and see Maggie. :mellow:

 
So here's what I don't get. Rick and co thought ahead enough to "fake" Maggie being dead, but didn't think about hiding weapons? Seems odd.
They didn't think ahead.. Father Gabriel did..

Not really sure what Rick would have done if he didn't get "saved" by Gabriel.. See what I did there? ;)

 
True, it was Gabriel's lie first.  Not sure how much he knows about what goes on outside of Judith's diapers these days.  But Rick went along with it, and ultimately Negan is going to hold Rick accountable as we've seen.  
If it wasn't a planned and coordinated lie, that is so, so stupid. All Neegan had to do was ask some of the other Alexandrians where Maggie is.  When they say that she's at Hilltop, or that they don't know where she is, the jig is up. Because if a pregnant woman died right there in the town and was thereafter buried in the town cemetery, people would know about it. 
Easily covered by saying she died right after they left the :deadhorse: and they didn't want to upset all of Alexandria with the news.. The few that know the truth would have continued the lie. 

 
Because..   as far as Negan is concerned, Rick and Alexandria have no idea what "Hilltop" is.. If you reveal that you are already working with Hilltop you become more a threat then you already are.. best to keep quiet about who you know and who you are working with so as to keep Negan and the Saviors thinking you are a lone wolf and hope he doesn't visit Hilltop and see Maggie. :mellow:
Of course Negan knows the Alexandrian's know about Hilltop.  His plan to capture Rick and crew was to constantly intercept them as they tried alternate routes to Hilltop. 

 
Rick had his chance in the RV to kill Negan and everything that has happened since then has been Ricks fault.
It would have been cool to see Rick kill Neagan with the axe,  pull up in the RV, wait a few minutes and then waste Neagan's group with a machine gun.  

If not that then he should have killed him when he and Corallll were alone with Neagan in doctor's office.  Would have been super easy...

 
Because..   as far as Negan is concerned, Rick and Alexandria have no idea what "Hilltop" is.. If you reveal that you are already working with Hilltop you become more a threat then you already are.. best to keep quiet about who you know and who you are working with so as to keep Negan and the Saviors thinking you are a lone wolf and hope he doesn't visit Hilltop and see Maggie. :mellow:
Of course Negan knows the Alexandrian's know about Hilltop.  His plan to capture Rick and crew was to constantly intercept them as they tried alternate routes to Hilltop. 
Hmmm. Interesting thought.. I guess it could be they knew they were heading to the Hilltop.. I just assumed the Saviors just blocked all roads heading away from Alexandria, no matter where the roads lead.. Thus the reason those in the RV kept looking for alternative routes. :shrug:

 
Hmmm. Interesting thought.. I guess it could be they knew they were heading to the Hilltop.. I just assumed the Saviors just blocked all roads heading away from Alexandria, no matter where the roads lead.. Thus the reason those in the RV kept looking for alternative routes. :shrug:
And when they were all gathered to meet the group as they carried Maggie on a litter from the road directly towards Hilltop?

 
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Hmmm. Interesting thought.. I guess it could be they knew they were heading to the Hilltop.. I just assumed the Saviors just blocked all roads heading away from Alexandria, no matter where the roads lead.. Thus the reason those in the RV kept looking for alternative routes. :shrug:
And when they were all gathered to meet the group as they carried Maggie on a litter from the road directly towards Hilltop?
As I said.. good thought.. :thumbup: Again, could have been blocking all roads, or all roads to Hilltop.. The fact they surrounded them in the woods could have been because they knew they were heading to Hilltop, or they had spies watching them using the Radios as we saw them use before.

Back to the original question on why they would take a chance to lie about Maggie.... 

It wasn't Rick's plan to hide Maggie, no idea what he would have said if not for the "save" .... he just went with it when Father Gabriel gave it as a way to protect Maggie.. When you have a thug saying he has plans for a widow you'd being wiling to take a chance for now to save her from him.. 

 
one thing that has bothered me for the last few seasons, is we have these established communities out there, (I'm assuming) not too far from Alexandria- yet when we were first introduced to Alexandria, they were going out on 2 week supply runs, and Darryl and LL Bean were recruiting within a 50 mile radius..  how do they not stumble upon the other communities?   :confused:

 
I still say Carol comes in and saves the day.  And then Rick will go back to his old BMOC self.  I hate that mother####er. 
I'm sure it will be Carol and Morgan together...  They will either bring the King to Rick, or have Rick come to the Kingdom..

I REALLY can't wait to see Rick's reaction to the tiger on a leash..  :lol:

 
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Survival ain't living.  I would rather die free than live in servitude that includes daily humiliation and subjugation.
But what if that humiliation only lasts for a couple weeks? What if you can bide your time and come up with an actual plan in the near future? I think just saying screw it and hoping you get lucky in what is at best a 50-50 shot would be foolish. Especially since its obvious Negan has no intention of killing Rick.

 
Survival ain't living.  I would rather die free than live in servitude that includes daily humiliation and subjugation.
But what if that humiliation only lasts for a couple weeks? What if you can bide your time and come up with an actual plan in the near future? I think just saying screw it and hoping you get lucky in what is at best a 50-50 shot would be foolish. Especially since its obvious Negan has no intention of killing Rick.
yep, and In this case it has only been a few days.. Can't expect people to witness what they did and recover and make up a plan in a couple of days.. Pretty much the reasoning for Negan to show up when he did.. Don't give them a chance to recover.. Keep on with the  :pokey:   to keep control.

 
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Why not just take the guns and get out of dodge?

Guy threatens to cut your kids arm off you run amd take your chances.
Remember that before they found Alexandria that they were road weary and almost starved to death. The constant living off of nothing and being almost dead had gotten to them and they had almost given up. 

 
Why not just take the guns and get out of dodge?

Guy threatens to cut your kids arm off you run amd take your chances.
That was my first thought as well. All I can come up with is this world really does away with the 'grass is greener on the other side of the fence' mentality. Whether it is Governor, Terminus, those guys they met in the bar with Herschel or the saviors, there is danger under every rock. It stands to reason the each man for himself apocalypse kills the weak and becomes a breeding ground for the most ruthless. Still, I don't know any other dangers would be worse than co-existing in the same zip code as Negan.

 
Yes. It was Game's plan, not Rick's.
I think that is the theme of the season. Rick is broken down and all of his sheep will rise up and fight. Rosita, Eugene, Maggie, Gabriel. The tension is going to be the tension of "getting caught" by Rick or Negan as Rick has a fight with Spencer. 

 
You have to be the dumbest people on the planet, zombies included, to keep a paper list of all your weapons when someone is coming to take your stuff.  I mean I get having it before, but once you've made the deal with Negan it seems like you could find 5 seconds out of your busy schedule to set that thing on fire.

It'd better be a fake list with a hidden cache stored somewhere.  Otherwise...yeesh.

 
this is wishful thinking on my part, but how do we know that they don't have a cache of weapons hidden somewhere, and the log was fake to make Negan think they got all of their guns - and giving up the hunting rifle was icing on the cake of the ruse..   
i'm sure this is 100% spot on

 
You have to be the dumbest people on the planet, zombies included, to keep a paper list of all your weapons when someone is coming to take your stuff.  I mean I get having it before, but once you've made the deal with Negan it seems like you could find 5 seconds out of your busy schedule to set that thing on fire.

It'd better be a fake list with a hidden cache stored somewhere.  Otherwise...yeesh.
maybe it was intentional, eh?

 
I think that is the theme of the season. Rick is broken down and all of his sheep will rise up and fight. Rosita, Eugene, Maggie, Gabriel. The tension is going to be the tension of "getting caught" by Rick or Negan as Rick has a fight with Spencer. 
that's the act he's putting on, but he's got the long con in mind

 
Why not just take the guns and get out of dodge?

Guy threatens to cut your kids arm off you run amd take your chances.
even better, if we're hypothesizing about what could have been.

when negan and his crew come into the gates, and just saunter in.  They were bunched up.   If Alexandria had 3 snipers in position and all of their people with pistols or knives hidden, then all of the Negan crew and Negan himself would be dead in 10 seconds.   Would have been a turkey shoot.   Might have lost a couple good guys in the melee but so what.   Negan dead, 1/3 of his followers dead.   

Wait for the next wave of Saviors to come by, rinse repeat

 
Just watched the last episode.  Started reading some posts and just stopped after a few.  So much delusional blah blah.  Not surprised I guess.

Anyway, thought that was a great episode capped off by "I just slid my #### down your throat and you said thank you". 

I would like to quote myself but it was probably 200 pages ago, and I really don't wanna go through all that, but I said there was really zero chance JDM could live up to the expectations of the Negan character.  Well, I may have been wrong there. And as someone pointed out a few pages back, I do think JDM is making this more HIS character than the directors/producers. 

 
Has anyone else seen the morse code blinking theory that has been put out there yet?  They gave one of their classic foreshadowing TWD moments showing the massive Morse code wall art in Rick's house and then it appeared that Daryl was spazzily blinking at Rick during the episode.  If this is true, this is some serious deep thought stuff.

 
tommyboy said:
i'm sure this is 100% spot on
If this is the case then its going to be beyond awesome to watch this play out. ( I seriously doubt it though because they wouldnt give up the bazooka)

As it stands now keeping a list of weapons and simply handing them over is just stupid.

 
tommyboy said:
even better, if we're hypothesizing about what could have been.

when negan and his crew come into the gates, and just saunter in.  They were bunched up.   If Alexandria had 3 snipers in position and all of their people with pistols or knives hidden, then all of the Negan crew and Negan himself would be dead in 10 seconds.   Would have been a turkey shoot.   Might have lost a couple good guys in the melee but so what.   Negan dead, 1/3 of his followers dead.   

Wait for the next wave of Saviors to come by, rinse repeat
dont forget the rocket launcher

Thats my beef after thinking this last episode through.  They spend all these seasons building rick and crew up as bad mothers that fight anyone but in the course of a couple of episodes Rick breaks and simply gives in and gives the weapons over when they had a clear advantage at Alexandria.  Hopefully the writers come back around but this story arc is just weak

 
Has anyone else seen the morse code blinking theory that has been put out there yet?  They gave one of their classic foreshadowing TWD moments showing the massive Morse code wall art in Rick's house and then it appeared that Daryl was spazzily blinking at Rick during the episode.  If this is true, this is some serious deep thought stuff.
haven't seen anything, because I don't look... but I noticed that morse code art thing and figured it had to be something. subtle they ain't.

eta: has anybody translated it yet? (...knowing the answer is yes, but wanting somebody else to google this).

 
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haven't seen anything, because I don't look... but I noticed that morse code art thing and figured it had to be something. subtle they ain't.

eta: has anybody translated it yet? (...knowing the answer is yes, but wanting somebody else to google this).
A lot of people are really buying into this. I noticed the Morse Code sign at the beginning of the episode but didn't think much of it or give it a second thought. Then I saw people talking about Daryl's mad blinking and they really ran with it and here we are with this new theory. Seems pretty far-fetched. I mean did they really hatch a "If one of gets kidnapped in the future we're gonna use Morse Code to communicate with one another" plan at some point in the past? That seems like a pretty convoluted plot point to try and sell us so if that's what Gimple has in mind he had come up with a damn good way of selling it because on the surface it doesn't pass the common sense test in my opinion.

 
A lot of people are really buying into this. I noticed the Morse Code sign at the beginning of the episode but didn't think much of it or give it a second thought. Then I saw people talking about Daryl's mad blinking and they really ran with it and here we are with this new theory. Seems pretty far-fetched. I mean did they really hatch a "If one of gets kidnapped in the future we're gonna use Morse Code to communicate with one another" plan at some point in the past? That seems like a pretty convoluted plot point to try and sell us so if that's what Gimple has in mind he had come up with a damn good way of selling it because on the surface it doesn't pass the common sense test in my opinion.
tbh, I didn't notice darryl's blinking at all, but I agree that's a bit far-fetched. might be something- ala, Homeland S1- or might come into play later. 

 
This show in particular has to be watched live or almost live if you plan on going on social media anytime and like to avoid spoilers.
crazy talk, what from last weeks episode would have been spoiled by watching it on Tuesday like I did?

This show is unwatchable live, towards the end of the show they had 5 straight minutes of commercials.

 
I've noticed that shows have started putting little show related clips in the middles of long commercial breaks to mess with the DVR crowd. F Those guys for messing with my fast forward flow. 

 
I've noticed that shows have started putting little show related clips in the middles of long commercial breaks to mess with the DVR crowd. F Those guys for messing with my fast forward flow. 
Is that what that was? There was one spot where there was no more than two minutes of show before another set of commercials.

 
For me it depends on how good the Sunday night football game is. If it's a really good one (which sadly is rare) I'll DVR Walking Dead completely and watch it after the game is over. Or I'll sometimes flip between the episode and the game during dead (no pun intended) spots during the game. Then at halftime get in more of the show. Then on Monday or Tuesday if I really enjoyed the episode I'll re-watch in its entirety at one sitting so it's not quite as jagged a viewing. 

 
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