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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

how is it that none of these communities and outposts were discovered by Alexandrains on their 2-week supply runs and recruitment runs?  

 
snogger said:
My guess.. They stole them from an outpost..

But, as I posted just above you, it is a question, and probably the only thing worth discussing, about the whole :yawn: 70 minute episode.
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Ah, sorry I didn't see your least sentence.  Maybe they'll explain where they found the guns.  

 
Every season they go to the walker that sorta looks like my friend well.  Weak.

A whole episode about Tara meeting a group we'll likely never see again (outside chance she decides to try and steal their guns or align with them).

It is no wonder why this show is down in the ratings.  Manufactured cliff hanger followed by a slew of poor episodes... all leading up to the next manufactured cliff hanger.  If it wasn't for the zombies (who haven't even killed a no name person yet this season), I'd be out.  I still contend that the show sorely misses Darabount, and it has been a slow ride downhill since he left.  Literally the only poignant moment since his departure was the look at the flowers scene.

 
I think I'd rather see it GoT style with 5-10 min each week on somehow these storylines father than full episodes to crap like this or Maggie 

 
snogger said:
so.. seeing as @packersfan disliked the Dwight/Daryl episode due to no interest in Dwight, he must have been on a major :rant: last night....

70 minute episode to find out the Saviors kill to take control ... I think we figured that out a few episodes before but maybe some missed it..
The only item that could come back to "help" later is...

Natania tells Tara she and her people fled from the Saviors with nothing but the clothes on their backs. So how and where did they get that big cache of guns? 
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I actually like Tara but that's mainly cuz I think Alanna Masterson is seriously hot but this episode was not good. Definite filler. A Tara-centric episode was not a good idea. We needed to find out what was going on with her and Heath but I don't think we needed to spend an entire episode on it. And introducing a new community was not something I think was necessary (at least not for an entire episode) either although I see the plan was to introduce more guns for the inevitable war against Negan. I'm assuming the all-chick brigade will factor into that in some fashion although based on how horrible they were at killing Tara I'm not sure how effective they'd be in any battle you'd wage against Negan.

Basically it's time to start bringing all the major characters together, tying all the storylines together and have a unified storyline again. The season's becoming a bit too fragmented. Time to narrow the focus and hopefully that will begin to occur next week.   

 
packersfan said:
I actually like Tara but that's mainly cuz I think Alanna Masterson is seriously hot but this episode was not good. Definite filler. A Tara-centric episode was not a good idea. We needed to find out what was going on with her and Heath but I don't think we needed to spend an entire episode on it. And introducing a new community was not something I think was necessary (at least not for an entire episode) either although I see the plan was to introduce more guns for the inevitable war against Negan. I'm assuming the all-chick brigade will factor into that in some fashion although based on how horrible they were at killing Tara I'm not sure how effective they'd be in any battle you'd wage against Negan.

Basically it's time to start bringing all the major characters together, tying all the storylines together and have a unified storyline again. The season's becoming a bit too fragmented. Time to narrow the focus and hopefully that will begin to occur next week.   
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Yeah it's gonna be like some ####ty star wars battle with all these ragtag groups coming together 

 
packersfan said:
I actually like Tara but that's mainly cuz I think Alanna Masterson is seriously hot but this episode was not good. Definite filler. A Tara-centric episode was not a good idea. We needed to find out what was going on with her and Heath but I don't think we needed to spend an entire episode on it. And introducing a new community was not something I think was necessary (at least not for an entire episode) either although I see the plan was to introduce more guns for the inevitable war against Negan. I'm assuming the all-chick brigade will factor into that in some fashion although based on how horrible they were at killing Tara I'm not sure how effective they'd be in any battle you'd wage against Negan.

Basically it's time to start bringing all the major characters together, tying all the storylines together and have a unified storyline again. The season's becoming a bit too fragmented. Time to narrow the focus and hopefully that will begin to occur next week.   
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Oddly I think there is something hot as hell about Tara as well. 

 
TLEF316 said:
Wait...people think Tara is hot?
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Tara not so much. Alanna Masterson, absolutely.

Disagree with the whole show has gone downhill since Darabont left thinking Hulk. Can't believe people still cling to that. I think the show got significantly better after he left. This season definitely needs to tighten up the storylines though. I liked the idea of expanding the universe. But now's the time to pull the reigns in and have a unified storyline rather than a bunch of fragmented storylines that are going off in a bunch of different directions. I'm really hoping that Rick and Aaron's road trip ends up taking them to the Kingdom so they can meet Ezekiel and get back with Morgan and Carol. 

 
"Jumping the Shark" is the most overused / misused phrase in this thread and isn't anywhere close to the Fonzie debacle. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
She just had a baby, so perhaps she isn't as "thick" normally.
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I'll definitely give her credit for doing all of her own stunts despite just having a baby. In real life she's much better looking than on the show. 

That being said, her story should have been just one storyline this week intertwined with something else. Maybe Jesus and Carl. 

 
Brutal episode.. Agree that it may be the worst TWD episode so far..

I knew it wasn't good during the "previously on TWD" and I was like, oh yeah.. I forgot about them..

 
Jayrok said:
Tara can not carry a whole episode, obviously.  She's just not a good actress.  That was so boring.  And she is so not funny.  

If the Saviors lined up their men and shot them, why would they leave that arsenal of weapons to the women?  The producers took great care in showing the viewer that they had a large amount of weapons and ammo.  I suppose those weapons will end up helping our gang at Alexandria.  

But seems pretty stupid for Negan to leave them that heavily armed.. or armed at all.  
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:fistbump:

 
RenegadeGM said:
I'll definitely give her credit for doing all of her own stunts despite just having a baby. In real life she's much better looking than on the show. 

That being said, her story should have been just one storyline this week intertwined with something else. Maybe Jesus and Carl. 
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Yup, like the Dwight episode they didn't need to devote as much time to her as they did. Definitely could have found more screen time for more pertinent issues to bring the storylines together. For all of this to pay off, they will need to revisit the Oceanside community and bring their guns into the seemingly inevitable war against Negan. Otherwise that entire plot will have proven to be pointless. 

 
playin4beer said:
Brutal episode.. Agree that it may be the worst TWD episode so far..

I knew it wasn't good during the "previously on TWD" and I was like, oh yeah.. I forgot about them..
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I figured it was going to be a "bad" episode when all the trailers the previous week just kept saying "in the coming weeks"..

So went in not expecting much, and got what I expected. ;)

 
Yeah, guessing the guns were found by the Lady group. They said they left their last camp with nothing so they must have found a cash somewhere. Interested to see where that angle goes.

Tara storing some serious milk in those ample fun bags.  :o

 
It was needed. It is setting up the different groups that will band together for the all out carnage when they try to take out Negan's empire.

I thought it was a meh episode, but certainly not the worst ever in this series.

 
It was needed to establish more guns for the war against Negan - assuming Oceanside returns and teams up with Rick in said war. But again, I think the problem now is the season has become too fragmented and it's time to reign everything in. Like I said before I really liked the idea of expanding the universe but it may be opening up a bit too broadly now and we have too many tangents going on and that could be why the ratings are down. That and I think there's been a reaction to Negan's oppression of the core group.

I think a couple things need to happen - 1) I think the storylines need to converge into one primary storyline which I'm assuming will occur into a war against Negan but that needs to happen quickly and 2) The core group needs to start having some "victories." I think the latter may be needed from a ratings perspective as much as anything. I've said all along that MoroseRick is fine for a few episodes but it can't go on for too long. At some point he needs to snap back to attention and that goes for the rest of the group too. Daryl's been a mopey ******* too and I think some of the fan reaction has been to him. He's a huge fan favorite and I think a lot of fans don't like to see him being beaten down like he has been so at some point soon he needs to rise up and show some fight. The sooner this happen and the sooner the storylines show some fight against Negan the more life the ratings may show as well. 

Bottom line - if Carl's the only one showing any spunk against Negan we got some problems.

 
Truth is, they could have taken the last month or so and made one 90 minute episode.. then of course, they still have the other weeks to fill..

We might have gotten stuck with weeks and weeks of "let's search for supplies here.. no here.. no I swear they have to be here.." 

You know, much how we got weeks and weeks of searching the woods for Sophia.. :pokey:

 
For a second, I thought "this just got good!" when Tara told the Oceanside group that they killed everyone at the outpost and I thought that it would turn out to be Rick's group that killed all their men. No such luck. 

 
packersfan said:
It was needed to establish more guns for the war against Negan - assuming Oceanside returns and teams up with Rick in said war. But again, I think the problem now is the season has become too fragmented and it's time to reign everything in. Like I said before I really liked the idea of expanding the universe but it may be opening up a bit too broadly now and we have too many tangents going on and that could be why the ratings are down. That and I think there's been a reaction to Negan's oppression of the core group.

I think a couple things need to happen - 1) I think the storylines need to converge into one primary storyline which I'm assuming will occur into a war against Negan but that needs to happen quickly and 2) The core group needs to start having some "victories." I think the latter may be needed from a ratings perspective as much as anything. I've said all along that MoroseRick is fine for a few episodes but it can't go on for too long. At some point he needs to snap back to attention and that goes for the rest of the group too. Daryl's been a mopey ******* too and I think some of the fan reaction has been to him. He's a huge fan favorite and I think a lot of fans don't like to see him being beaten down like he has been so at some point soon he needs to rise up and show some fight. The sooner this happen and the sooner the storylines show some fight against Negan the more life the ratings may show as well. 

Bottom line - if Carl's the only one showing any spunk against Negan we got some problems.
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I'm ok with expanding the universe, and I'm ok with it being as broad as they are wanting to make it (Alexandria, Oceanside, Hilltop, Kingdom, Sanctuary, maybe future others?).  But the way they are going about it just feels very choppy.  The introduced us to the Kingdom in S6E2, and now we're heading into E7 and have yet to see or hear from them again.  Ezekiel has promise as an interesting character, but we've basically forgotten he exists now.  We saw fan favorite Daryl broken down at the Sanctuary, and briefly during the Alexandria raid lugging furniture and guns, but nothing for two weeks now. Now we meet the Oceanside community, with their armory of guns, and surely that will play into the future (I really hope we didnt just watch 70 minutes of that episode just to find out that the Saviors executed all the men from some random village). But at their current pace we wont see the Oceanside community again until March 2017. 

To me its the way they are laying out this season.  Show me 20 min of something at Hilltop, then Alexandria, then Sanctuary, then check in on Tara on the bridge if you want to.  An entire episode of Tara just screams of filler fluff. It dawned on me while watching last night that our mainmost character, Rick, has only been in two episodes out of 6 so far this season.  

 
wlwiles said:
packersfan said:
It was needed to establish more guns for the war against Negan - assuming Oceanside returns and teams up with Rick in said war. But again, I think the problem now is the season has become too fragmented and it's time to reign everything in. Like I said before I really liked the idea of expanding the universe but it may be opening up a bit too broadly now and we have too many tangents going on and that could be why the ratings are down. That and I think there's been a reaction to Negan's oppression of the core group.

I think a couple things need to happen - 1) I think the storylines need to converge into one primary storyline which I'm assuming will occur into a war against Negan but that needs to happen quickly and 2) The core group needs to start having some "victories." I think the latter may be needed from a ratings perspective as much as anything. I've said all along that MoroseRick is fine for a few episodes but it can't go on for too long. At some point he needs to snap back to attention and that goes for the rest of the group too. Daryl's been a mopey ******* too and I think some of the fan reaction has been to him. He's a huge fan favorite and I think a lot of fans don't like to see him being beaten down like he has been so at some point soon he needs to rise up and show some fight. The sooner this happen and the sooner the storylines show some fight against Negan the more life the ratings may show as well. 

Bottom line - if Carl's the only one showing any spunk against Negan we got some problems.
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I'm ok with expanding the universe, and I'm ok with it being as broad as they are wanting to make it (Alexandria, Oceanside, Hilltop, Kingdom, Sanctuary, maybe future others?).  But the way they are going about it just feels very choppy.  The introduced us to the Kingdom in S6E2, and now we're heading into E7 and have yet to see or hear from them again.  Ezekiel has promise as an interesting character, but we've basically forgotten he exists now.  We saw fan favorite Daryl broken down at the Sanctuary, and briefly during the Alexandria raid lugging furniture and guns, but nothing for two weeks now. Now we meet the Oceanside community, with their armory of guns, and surely that will play into the future (I really hope we didnt just watch 70 minutes of that episode just to find out that the Saviors executed all the men from some random village). But at their current pace we wont see the Oceanside community again until March 2017. 

To me its the way they are laying out this season.  Show me 20 min of something at Hilltop, then Alexandria, then Sanctuary, then check in on Tara on the bridge if you want to.  An entire episode of Tara just screams of filler fluff. It dawned on me while watching last night that our mainmost character, Rick, has only been in two episodes out of 6 so far this season.  
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:goodposting: As I said above, they could have had a 90 minute episode to cover all that we learned in the last 4 or 5 episodes..

But that would leave them with a lot of weeks to fill so drag it out they must I guess to get to the payoff.

 
wlwiles said:
I'm ok with expanding the universe, and I'm ok with it being as broad as they are wanting to make it (Alexandria, Oceanside, Hilltop, Kingdom, Sanctuary, maybe future others?).  But the way they are going about it just feels very choppy.  The introduced us to the Kingdom in S6E2, and now we're heading into E7 and have yet to see or hear from them again.  Ezekiel has promise as an interesting character, but we've basically forgotten he exists now.  We saw fan favorite Daryl broken down at the Sanctuary, and briefly during the Alexandria raid lugging furniture and guns, but nothing for two weeks now. Now we meet the Oceanside community, with their armory of guns, and surely that will play into the future (I really hope we didnt just watch 70 minutes of that episode just to find out that the Saviors executed all the men from some random village). But at their current pace we wont see the Oceanside community again until March 2017. 

To me its the way they are laying out this season.  Show me 20 min of something at Hilltop, then Alexandria, then Sanctuary, then check in on Tara on the bridge if you want to.  An entire episode of Tara just screams of filler fluff. It dawned on me while watching last night that our mainmost character, Rick, has only been in two episodes out of 6 so far this season.  
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Yup, that's the issue the season is having. It's become too fragmented. There are too many storylines. We've barely seen Rick at all. Barely seen Daryl. I agree with you that Ezekiel seems like a great new character and we have only seen him once and it was several episodes ago. That's the problem with an episode like last night. We didn't need an entire episode devoted to Tara. They could have given us some more of Rick, of Daryl, of Ezekiel or Carol or Morgan of more of the other characters. Same problem with the Dwight episode. Gimple needs to pull the reigns in on everything he's doing and compress the storylines. Hopefully that begins to happen starting next week.  

 
I like this seasons story line, but I am not liking "how" they are showing it.  It's too broken up. If it's a budget thing, which I am sure it is, then shame on them.  They will lose viewers.

 
Doubt it has anything to do with budgets. Guessing it has more to do with building up the tension toward the war vs. Negan or whatever big moment is going to happen in the mid-season finale. 

I think they could've easily combined the Tara and Dwight episodes into one episode. It's great for Alanna Masterson and whoever the guy is who plays Dwight that they get their own episodes but I don't think there was enough there for each of them to get their own episodes. But put them together and you have one strong episode with Tara/Heath/Oceanside, Daryl's breakdown episode and then Dwight's backstory. I think that would've made for one pretty strong episode. Instead you have the two weakest episodes of the season individually so far.

 
knowledge dropper said:
Perhaps this settlement is a Saviors outpost where the women have the Savior babies and protect the children until they are of age?
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so perhaps the chicks are lying about who they are and what their relationship is to the Saviors? 

I will say- that was my first thought midway through the episode... until they explained who they were.

 
packersfan said:
Doubt it has anything to do with budgets. Guessing it has more to do with building up the tension toward the war vs. Negan or whatever big moment is going to happen in the mid-season finale. 

I think they could've easily combined the Tara and Dwight episodes into one episode. It's great for Alanna Masterson and whoever the guy is who plays Dwight that they get their own episodes but I don't think there was enough there for each of them to get their own episodes. But put them together and you have one strong episode with Tara/Heath/Oceanside, Daryl's breakdown episode and then Dwight's backstory. I think that would've made for one pretty strong episode. Instead you have the two weakest episodes of the season individually so far.
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If it's tension they're trying to build, then they're failing.  I feel zero tension among the Alexandrians. Rick is defeated, and showing no signs of fight in him at the moment.  Michonne is pissed, but she's not doing anything behind Rick's back.  Rosita with one bullet casing isn't a threat to Negan.  There's definitely some tension there at the Hilltop, but it's between Maggie/Sasha and Gregory, and maybe a little now that Jesus and Coral are en route to Negan's house.

I was ok with the Dwight episode, because it was a bit of Dwight's history, plus Daryl's breakdown (or refusal to breakdown), and also showed the amount of power that Negan wields in the Sanctuary, giving some background there as well.  To me that wasn't a "Dwight episode" in the same manner that last night was absolutely a "Tara episode".  I'd have been ok with a Dwight/Tara episode though as you suggested, because individually they did drag a bit.  What worries me is that there's only 2 episodes left in this mid-season, and we're so fragmented now that there's no way they can pull it all back in to give us any sort of cohesive break at the mid-season, so I bet they're just going to continue to jump around all season and start trying to tie it up in the last 3-4 episodes in the spring.  Which will suck. 

I feel like last night's episode was Tara centric in order to introduce Oceanside group, and to develop Tara's character.  Which tells us everything we need to know, because Tara's been in the group for how many seasons now?  Since the prison collapse...  I've been a TWD apologist for the entire run so far, but this season is really starting to wear on me.  I have read the comics, and couldn't wait for Negan to show up, but this season is definitely not living up to expectations. 

 
wlwiles said:
If it's tension they're trying to build, then they're failing.  I feel zero tension among the Alexandrians. Rick is defeated, and showing no signs of fight in him at the moment.  Michonne is pissed, but she's not doing anything behind Rick's back.  Rosita with one bullet casing isn't a threat to Negan.  There's definitely some tension there at the Hilltop, but it's between Maggie/Sasha and Gregory, and maybe a little now that Jesus and Coral are en route to Negan's house.

I was ok with the Dwight episode, because it was a bit of Dwight's history, plus Daryl's breakdown (or refusal to breakdown), and also showed the amount of power that Negan wields in the Sanctuary, giving some background there as well.  To me that wasn't a "Dwight episode" in the same manner that last night was absolutely a "Tara episode".  I'd have been ok with a Dwight/Tara episode though as you suggested, because individually they did drag a bit.  What worries me is that there's only 2 episodes left in this mid-season, and we're so fragmented now that there's no way they can pull it all back in to give us any sort of cohesive break at the mid-season, so I bet they're just going to continue to jump around all season and start trying to tie it up in the last 3-4 episodes in the spring.  Which will suck. 

I feel like last night's episode was Tara centric in order to introduce Oceanside group, and to develop Tara's character.  Which tells us everything we need to know, because Tara's been in the group for how many seasons now?  Since the prison collapse...  I've been a TWD apologist for the entire run so far, but this season is really starting to wear on me.  I have read the comics, and couldn't wait for Negan to show up, but this season is definitely not living up to expectations. 
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I agree they need to tighten the screws and get the focus back on the group and get one primary storyline going rather than all these tangents that are going on at the moment. I think that's becoming a problem and I think it's one of the issues with the season's declining ratings. This is really the first time you've had a lot of storylines all over the place and while I can appreciate what Gimple is trying to do I don't think it's being done as successfully as he would like although I will give him the benefit of the doubt until we see everything in its entirety. 

 
(HULK) said:
The ocean is a pretty fair distance from Alexandria, VA.
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Isn't the implication that Tara walked home, or did I miss her finding transportation? I may have missed a scene changing between SNF, but thought she walked up to the gates at Alexandria.

 
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