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***OFFICIAL*** USC v Texas GameThread (1 Viewer)

Man I just cannot get over that, why not use a frigging timeout to get the play reviewed Mack?They would've had the ball at midfield with a chance to go into the half up 23-7. Instead it's 16-10 at the half and UT had to sit on their 3 timeouts.Terrible.

 
Matt Lienart = Chad PennigtonNeither one can make a throw over 10 yards without looking like they are throwing a javelin. He will probably be a good NFL QB but way overvalued if he goes to the Saints at the 2 spot.
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:goodposting: Both are Lollipoppers with weak NFL arms
 
Matt Lienart = Chad Pennigton

Neither one can make a throw over 10 yards without looking like they are throwing a javelin. He will probably be a good NFL QB but way overvalued if he goes to the Saints at the 2 spot.
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:goodposting: Both are Lollipoppers with weak NFL arms
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I have been one of the guys questioning Leinart's arm, but he's actually showed me tonight plenty of arm strength. The timing of the pass plays and the speed of the Texas DB's are the problem, not Matt's arm. 2nd half should be great. If USC can tackle, I think they'll settle down, execute on offense, and win. That's a big if though..
 
Matt Lienart = Chad Pennigton

Neither one can make a throw over 10 yards without looking like they are throwing a javelin. He will probably be a good NFL QB but way overvalued if he goes to the Saints at the 2 spot.
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:goodposting: Both are Lollipoppers with weak NFL arms
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I have been one of the guys questioning Leinart's arm, but he's actually showed me tonight plenty of arm strength. The timing of the pass plays and the speed of the Texas DB's are the problem, not Matt's arm. 2nd half should be great. If USC can tackle, I think they'll settle down, execute on offense, and win. That's a big if though..
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Agreed. He has been throwing with better velocity late in the year, but he still floats passes he should zing. The pick at the goal line is six if he puts it on a rope. His accuracy suffers when he throws harder. In past games when he and the offense have struggled in the first half, they just pound it on the ground in the 3rd quarter. Should be some battle coming up.

 
Matt Lienart = Chad Pennigton

Neither one can make a throw over 10 yards without looking like they are throwing a javelin. He will probably be a good NFL QB but way overvalued if he goes to the Saints at the 2 spot.
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:goodposting: Both are Lollipoppers with weak NFL arms
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I have been one of the guys questioning Leinart's arm, but he's actually showed me tonight plenty of arm strength. The timing of the pass plays and the speed of the Texas DB's are the problem, not Matt's arm. 2nd half should be great. If USC can tackle, I think they'll settle down, execute on offense, and win. That's a big if though..
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I agree, the second half should be great. As far as his arm goes, a play or two before the interception he made a low throw that was caught(great catch BTW). I think, from seeing him throw quite a bit that that was a classic example of his weak arm. He had to take a few steps to his left and could get into his throw. So the ball was down and away, a 10 yard pass. When he is moving, or just not able to clearly step into a throw the ball dies on him quite a bit. See you in the second half. :)
 
Anyone else think that Young looks like the better of the two quarterbacks tonight? Nice arm strength with a tight spiral Culpepper-like ability to withstand a hit and make the pass. Has speed and moves of a poor man's Mike Vick.Maybe I'm overstating it, but he looks better than Lynert to me.

 
Anyone else think that Young looks like the better of the two quarterbacks tonight?

Nice arm strength with a tight spiral

Culpepper-like ability to withstand a hit and make the pass.

Has speed and moves of a poor man's Mike Vick.

Maybe I'm overstating it, but he looks better than Lynert to me.
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Who's Lynert?
 
Anyone else think that Young looks like the better of the two quarterbacks tonight?

Nice arm strength with a tight spiral

Culpepper-like ability to withstand a hit and make the pass.

Has speed and moves of a poor man's Mike Vick.

Maybe I'm overstating it, but he looks better than Lynert to me.
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I just said the same in the QB Draft thread. Leinart just made a nice throw though.
 
I'd say Leinart's arm looked good on that one...
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Yeah it looked good, 10 seconds to throw and two skip steps to get some pop on the ball, just like a javelin. And it was still only a 15yd pass. :P

 
Anyone else think that Young looks like the better of the two quarterbacks tonight?

Nice arm strength with a tight spiral

Culpepper-like ability to withstand a hit and make the pass.

Has speed and moves of a poor man's Mike Vick.

Maybe I'm overstating it, but he looks better than Lynert to me.
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I think that Leinert did not put enough zip on the ball on a couple passes, the INT earlier in the game, it sort of hung and it was picked off. That doesn't mean he can't put more on it, I think he underestimated the speed of the DB.....which most young Qb's do in the NFL, underestimate the speed of the game, something he'll have to do.As far as Young......he's impressed me with running the ball, basically running thru arm tackles where most guys would go down. However, he too IMO has lofted up a few deep balls, not really accurate and floating.

In the NFL, he'll get tackled and tackled hard. For him to be successful, he's going to have to become a better or more accurate deep ball passer. Leinart to me looks to be the better NFL QB at this point.

 
Anyone else think that Young looks like the better of the two quarterbacks tonight?

Nice arm strength with a tight spiral

Culpepper-like ability to withstand a hit and make the pass.

Has speed and moves of a poor man's Mike Vick.

Maybe I'm overstating it, but he looks better than Lynert to me.
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I think that Leinert did not put enough zip on the ball on a couple passes, the INT earlier in the game, it sort of hung and it was picked off. That doesn't mean he can't put more on it, I think he underestimated the speed of the DB.....which most young Qb's do in the NFL, underestimate the speed of the game, something he'll have to do.As far as Young......he's impressed me with running the ball, basically running thru arm tackles where most guys would go down. However, he too IMO has lofted up a few deep balls, not really accurate and floating.

In the NFL, he'll get tackled and tackled hard. For him to be successful, he's going to have to become a better or more accurate deep ball passer. Leinart to me looks to be the better NFL QB at this point.
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This sounds about right. The fact that Young can stand in the pocket take one step and toss the ball 30yds is the big differance. He can learn to be accurate by practicing. Lienart cannot learn to have a stronger arm. And dont get me wrong I still think Lienart can be a good NFL QB, but should be drafted about where Pennington was, late teens.
 
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One thing I'll say about Vince Young and I thought the same thing last year.......he just looks different than everyone else on the field. The way he trots, moves he's just bigger and stronger. He makes everything looks easy.As a big U of M fan, I had my first real glimpse of him last year when he had just a spectacular game vs. Michigan.And everytime I see him, as good as USC is, he just is a better athlete. I don't really know anything about his work ethic, but if he has one, he looks to me like a NFL player.This guy looks like he good play QB, WR or RB.

 
Vince young is sick. Nice play calling as well, allowing him to read the D and react. About time Mack Brown turned the big game over to his players, they dont choke like he does.Here goes USC into the end zone, this is going to be a shootout

 
How do the Texas OLinemen rate as NFL prospects? They seem to be doing a darn good job against pretty good competition.

 
Lots of comparing between Leinert and Young, deservedly so.However, who's the Heisman Trophy winner on USC. I know who looks like the better back tonight.Reggie Bush is going to be the No.1 pick overall?

 
Lots of comparing between Leinert and Young, deservedly so.

However, who's the Heisman Trophy winner on USC. I know who looks like the better back tonight.

Reggie Bush is going to be the No.1 pick overall?
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:goodposting: X 2
 
Lots of comparing between Leinert and Young, deservedly so.

However, who's the Heisman Trophy winner on USC. I know who looks like the better back tonight.

Reggie Bush is going to be the No.1 pick overall?
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:goodposting: I think this thread has been Lienart,Young,White,Young,White,Lienart.

Bush = :missing:

 
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Lots of comparing between Leinert and Young, deservedly so.

However, who's the Heisman Trophy winner on USC. I know who looks like the better back tonight.

Reggie Bush is going to be the No.1 pick overall?
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HA! Exactly what I was thinking! Hmmmm Young or Carr, Young or Carr.....I know, just one game snipit....

 
Arm strength is key, but touch and but able to put air under a pass is critical for a QB to have success. Many strong arm quarterbacks never learn to throw underneath coverages, or in seams between linebackers and DB's. They throw flat bullets that get picked off. Leinart's arm strength is plenty good enough...

 
Sorry, a little non-football comment here.I have to laugh every time I see the Texas band in those dorky "We're going to a Woody convention!" uniforms. :P

 
No. 16 David Thomas, the TE for Texas is having a good night. That clutch 3rd down catch he dove for was great. But he's also made some other solid catches with the pressure on in a huge game. He's just solid, catches the ball and moves forward.

 
The fact that Young can stand in the pocket take one step and toss the ball 30yds is the big differance. He can learn to be accurate by practicing. Lienart cannot learn to have a stronger arm. And dont get me wrong I still think Lienart can be a good NFL QB, but should be drafted about where Pennington was, late teens.
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Young, as I have argued all year, IS ACCURATE. He's been excellent in this regard tonight. He's made a few very tough throws across his body, under pressure, etc., and they hit the mark. He looks a little odd, but he IS accurate. He's 19-23 right now!Brees developed more arm strength by strengthening his torso. Leinart can do the same.

 
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Two things:1 I'm still very impressed with Young's speed and moves. Kind of reminds me of the Matt Jones college highlight reel. Makes DBs and D-ends look fat and slow. He just earned a spot in the top 10 in next years draft if the right team is seeking a QB, IMO.2. Also, I think L. White has the upside of Shaun Alexander. The guy has speed, power, the ability to break tackles, and the size to be a machine at the pro level.

 
What is with all these crappy NCAA kickers. My goodness one would think a top caliber program would have a leg on scholarship. Ridiculous!!
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My sentiments exactly...NFL kickers stink these days, too. I was just telling a buddy today - "If you have a son, spend an hour a day teaching him to kick a football. Make a 40 yard fieldgoal consistently, earn $1MM a year for 10-12 years."
 
The fact that Young can stand in the pocket take one step and toss the ball 30yds is the big differance. He can learn to be accurate by practicing. Lienart cannot learn to have a stronger arm. And dont get me wrong I still think Lienart can be a good NFL QB, but should be drafted about where Pennington was, late teens.
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Young, as I have argued all year, IS ACCURATE. He's been excellent in this regard tonight. He's made a few very tough throws across his body, under pressure, etc., and they hit the mark. He looks a little odd, but he IS accurate. He's 19-23 right now!Brees developed more arm strength by strengthening his torso. Leinart can do the same.
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I understand your point, but Brees was the top pick in the second not #2 overall.
 
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