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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

The situation has pretty much become a national laugh.
FWIW, I heard Charley Casserly interviewed the other day and he said the most other teams aren't really talking about it. Sure, other media outlets in other cities might be, but the league doesn't consider this organization to be a joke anymore and how this is being handled is one reason for that.
 
What's the "national laughter" over?
People are laughing at the Redskins, at Haynesworth for not passing the test, at Shanahan for needing Haynesworth to practice and being stopped by an arbitrary barrier of his (Shanahan's) own making. It's not nearly to the extent of the laughter at the Redskins for their woeful performances and mismanagement last year. But it's building.
 
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What's the "national laughter" over?
People are laughing at the Redskins, at Haynesworth for not passing the test, at Shanahan for needing Haynesworth to practice and being stopped by an arbitrary barrier of his (Shanahan's) own making. It's not nearly to the extent of the laughter at the Redskins for their woeful performances and mismanagement last year. But it's building.
I view that as an issue existing on the fan side, predictably being encouraged by the media during the otherwise relatively slow early preseason, and not the football side. This isn't a substantive issue any way you cut it. I'm more concerned about Haynesworth's knee than anything about a stupid conditioning test.
 
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Chris Russell was on the Sports Reporters and said that all 4 QB's looked bad today, and that McNabb hasn't been good in practices.
Bye Jason, we hardly knew ye. :banned:
Is that McNabb's history --- not being a good practice QB? I'm not sure if it's something to worry about.
That and not being a good game QB.
Is this schtick?
A little. I've been hating on him for 11 years. Can't change that overnight. It doesn't when The Network keeps showing the Pats-Eagles Super Bowl. He might be better than Jason Campbell, but he is going to skip and sail his share of balls to open receivers. If he beats Dallass week 1 I'll be right on board. Either way I need to see some wins in burgundy and gold before I really believe in the guy.
 
Studs & Duds 8/4/2010

McNabb made the stud list today. He's been reading your posts, Sebowski. :thumbup: Orakpo made it too but that's not surprising; he's already one of their best players.

Snippets:

C Edwin Williams. He’s better at center than at guard and his strong lower base allows him to anchor. In the one-on-ones he was solid and he did a nice job helping Chad Rinehart in pass protection. Williams picked up one blitz and did so with power.

DL Jeremy Jarmon. When I looked back at my notes, kept seeing stuff like this: “90 went right past 77; speed….90 gets past 63; holding.” So that means only one thing: a good day for Jarmon. He really focuses on staying low. On occasion he gets a little too low and it’s then hard for him to get much going, yet he keeps driving. However, I’d rather have that issue than occasionally getting too high. In full-team work Jarmon was fine, but in one-on-ones he was pretty good.

QB Donovan McNabb. He was a little ragged early, but once it became a competitive, game-like situation he was much, much different. Had some throws that were spot-on bullets, like a seam throw to Chris Cooley in which he first looked right and came back to the left. Earlier McNabb hit Roydell Williams on a deep cross just in front of LaRon Landry. Maybe that’s the key for McNabb; put him in competitive situations.
RT Stephon Heyer. I was going to leave this one alone today, but couldn’t. On one rush in a full-team drill, Adam Carriker went around Heyer’s right. Heyer wanted to slow him down, but instead of moving his feet even a little bit he simply stuck out his arm. That’s not going to cut it against someone who is 315 pounds.

LS Nick Sundberg. Continues to have some issues on his snaps. Left a couple short – and that was without a rush. Trust me on this: Ethan Albright is staying sharp and working out just in case. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve stayed in contact with him. Listen, it’s tough for long snappers to gain footing in the league and Sundberg is only in his first year. They will give him a game or two, but after watching him this week I can’t imagine the leash is too long.

C Will Montgomery. I lost count of the number of times Montgomery resorted to holding during the one-on-one work. That’s two days in a row where he’s had that issue. Like they say, it is what it is.
Countdown to the return of Ethan Albright...................
 
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Notes from camp

News and analysis from John Keim.

Snippets:

1. The Albert Haynesworth situation has become a circus.

2. It’s amazing how many conspiracy theories are forming about this situation. I don’t believe this has become a stand-off. I do think that Haynesworth is genuinely hurt, or at least has a rather sore knee. Maybe I’m naïve, but if he wants out of here it’s not exactly good marketing to fail a conditioning test and then miss time because of a knee injury.

9. I don’t know what the Redskins truly think about Stephon Heyer, but they have to be concerned about their backup right tackle situation. He just gets beat by everyone; even Rob Jackson got him today. If something happened to Jammal Brown now, I’d move Artis Hicks outside and put Chad Rinehart at right guard. Or I’d move Will Robinson to the right side (he worked some there today) and leave Hicks at guard. Either option is better.
 
Chris Russell is at camp all day every day and gives a report on the Sports Reporters, usually beginning around 5 pm or so. Today he explained that the medical staff and others with the team are increasingly concerned about Haynesworth's knee. Czabe and Andy were doing their usual "he must be faking" and Russell was very definite that it's a real injury and has become a real concern.

 
Andy Pollin's blog about training camps, which used to last 2 1/2 months followed by 6 exhibition games.

Breaking curfew was the mischief of the day. Sonny Jurgensen remembers sneaking out of camp during the mid-60's with coach Otto Graham's son who was working as a training camp assistant. That way if they got caught, the punishment wouldn't be severe. Sonny and the Skins didn't have much respect for the coach anyway. Behind his back they called him "Toot", Otto inside out.
 
Interview with Dan Snyder, part 2

HH: This past season, you expressed regret and sorrow to the fanbase. This broke your traditional in-season silence policy. Can you talk about what you were feeling that prompted you to make that statement?

DAN: Yeah...you know, I felt like people needed to know how I felt as well about the fans and the terrible season. It was my worst experience as owner of the team and it was shocking...one that I said, OK, I have to re-evaluate and start by looking in the mirror and surround myself with some people that can really help me and help the organization go in the right direction. And that's what I did. Shortly afterwards, I think I made the move and brought in Bruce Allen. That was during the season, about a month to go and it was just exciting to get this thing turned around. You can see what these guys are doing (Shanahan and Allen). They're both workaholics, Bruce and Mike, and they're unbelievable. Bruce slept here a couple days doing the deal for Trent Williams, and he just works...he's a worker, just a workhorse. It's fun to watch for me and I really enjoy it. I had a lot of that with Joe Gibbs, you know, high level of competence, where I just support him. It's what I really think I'm good at.
HH: So there is a gap in the middle there, between Gibbs and Mike...

DAN: (smiles and kind of chuckles) Mike wasn't available two years ago. (everyone busts out laughing) I wish he was.

HH: Would it be fair to say then that somewhere in there where you came to that moment and you looked in the mirror and broke your silence, that-as good of a man as Jim Zorn is-maybe he is not the right coach for this team, right now?

DAN: Sure. Absolutely. But it starts with me. It starts with really understanding where we were as a franchise, understanding that hey, I made a wrong decision...admitting that to yourself.
HH: Well...a lot of people comment that they are no longer a fan, they can't go to the stadium any more. It's tough.

DAN: Because of last year?

HH: Yeah.

DAN: Well, we hope to get things going in the right direction.

HH: At what point of the year-last year-did you say I'm going to start looking for a new coach?

DAN: Well, I think the first thing I was doing was actually looking for a General Manager. That was step one. Bruce and I spent a lot of time together before I hired him and then I got Bruce in here and we started obviously.

HH: So, even before the season started?

DAN: No, no, no...not before the season started. We were all optimistic. You know if you go back and read what Jim Zorn said...we were expecting to have a great season. We were going to improve and all this great stuff and it just didn't come to fruition.

HH: We were all optimistic...then that Detroit game...uhhhh...

DAN: (painful look on his face) Oh man...don't bring that up!

HH: The progression of Vinny Cerrato reporting to Joe Gibbs and then being elevated to GM. Would it be fair to say that his promotion was a way for you to give him that responsibility as a--I don't want to use the term "last straw" or "final chance"--but that is kind of where I am going...

DAN: I didn't see it that way. I saw it more that we came off a playoff game, we went through one of the most terrible tragedies and adversity that any team has ever faced, and this guy (Cerrato) was there the whole time, and worked for Joe, and if you asked Joe, did a good job for Joe. So, I promoted him. Whether it was the wrong decision, obviously he is no longer here and we're going in a fresh new direction. And it's as simple as that.
HH: I'll say this. It seems to be a bit of a dead issue, but ONLY BECAUSE-and I'm being point blank honest-when Vinny Cerrato was no longer here, Redskins fans were...

DAN: excited...

HH: Yeah, excited. You know, none of us know Vinny personally, not a single one of us know him that way, but he was so inextricably linked to what has gone on here the last decade, that the mere subtraction of him from the equation was something that magically gave people that feeling. Was there any part of that decision of moving on-not firing or blaming him, but turning the page-was there any part of that decision that was meant to inspire hope in Redskins fans?

DAN: That wasn't the driver. For me the driver was: my intentions are pure. I'm trying to win, OK? I'm trying to do good in the community. I'm trying to be a good father for my kids, trying to be a good family man. I'm also trying to get this franchise to where it belongs which is the Super Bowl and championships, and the highest level both on and off the field. And we were headed in the wrong direction. It's very simple. And the first thing you have to do is look in the mirror and you have to say-and be honest with yourself, you can't say well, "Hope springs eternal and it's going to get better and what Vinny Cerrato or Jim Zorn says is going to be great." No, reality is reality. You know, I didn't call two fake field goals in a row.
 
This won't be popular but it's informative.

A lot of people are wondering why the Redskins would pay Haynesworth a $21 million bonus in April when they knew he did not want to play in their new 3-4 defense. Although Haynesworth did not grumble publicly about the defensive switch and his potential role this season, he expressed concerns to defensive coordinator Jim Haslett during a meeting at Redskins Park in February. So the team was aware there were potential problems with Haynesworth.

The Redskins could have declined to pay the bonus, but the $21 million was guaranteed as part of $41 million initially guaranteed in the seven-year, $100-million deal owner Daniel Snyder gave Haynesworth in February of 2009. If Washington chose not to pay the bonus, future base salaries in Haynesworth's contract, up to $21 million, would have become guaranteed, according to two league sources who have reviewed Haynesworth's contract.
Although Allen probably would have preferred not to pay the bonus, doing so was a better option than owing Haynesworth guaranteed money over several seasons. No one knows what the salary-cap situation will be next season -- assuming there is a 2011 NFL season -- and beyond, so it made sense for the Redskins to get the $21 million off their books as soon as possible, especially in an uncapped year.
 
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Interview with Dan Snyder, part 2

HH: This past season, you expressed regret and sorrow to the fanbase. This broke your traditional in-season silence policy. Can you talk about what you were feeling that prompted you to make that statement?

DAN: Yeah...you know, I felt like people needed to know how I felt as well about the fans and the terrible season. It was my worst experience as owner of the team and it was shocking...one that I said, OK, I have to re-evaluate and start by looking in the mirror and surround myself with some people that can really help me and help the organization go in the right direction. And that's what I did. Shortly afterwards, I think I made the move and brought in Bruce Allen. That was during the season, about a month to go and it was just exciting to get this thing turned around. You can see what these guys are doing (Shanahan and Allen). They're both workaholics, Bruce and Mike, and they're unbelievable. Bruce slept here a couple days doing the deal for Trent Williams, and he just works...he's a worker, just a workhorse. It's fun to watch for me and I really enjoy it. I had a lot of that with Joe Gibbs, you know, high level of competence, where I just support him. It's what I really think I'm good at.
HH: So there is a gap in the middle there, between Gibbs and Mike...

DAN: (smiles and kind of chuckles) Mike wasn't available two years ago. (everyone busts out laughing) I wish he was.

HH: Would it be fair to say then that somewhere in there where you came to that moment and you looked in the mirror and broke your silence, that-as good of a man as Jim Zorn is-maybe he is not the right coach for this team, right now?

DAN: Sure. Absolutely. But it starts with me. It starts with really understanding where we were as a franchise, understanding that hey, I made a wrong decision...admitting that to yourself.
HH: Well...a lot of people comment that they are no longer a fan, they can't go to the stadium any more. It's tough.

DAN: Because of last year?

HH: Yeah.

DAN: Well, we hope to get things going in the right direction.

HH: At what point of the year-last year-did you say I'm going to start looking for a new coach?

DAN: Well, I think the first thing I was doing was actually looking for a General Manager. That was step one. Bruce and I spent a lot of time together before I hired him and then I got Bruce in here and we started obviously.

HH: So, even before the season started?

DAN: No, no, no...not before the season started. We were all optimistic. You know if you go back and read what Jim Zorn said...we were expecting to have a great season. We were going to improve and all this great stuff and it just didn't come to fruition.

HH: We were all optimistic...then that Detroit game...uhhhh...

DAN: (painful look on his face) Oh man...don't bring that up!

HH: The progression of Vinny Cerrato reporting to Joe Gibbs and then being elevated to GM. Would it be fair to say that his promotion was a way for you to give him that responsibility as a--I don't want to use the term "last straw" or "final chance"--but that is kind of where I am going...

DAN: I didn't see it that way. I saw it more that we came off a playoff game, we went through one of the most terrible tragedies and adversity that any team has ever faced, and this guy (Cerrato) was there the whole time, and worked for Joe, and if you asked Joe, did a good job for Joe. So, I promoted him. Whether it was the wrong decision, obviously he is no longer here and we're going in a fresh new direction. And it's as simple as that.
HH: I'll say this. It seems to be a bit of a dead issue, but ONLY BECAUSE-and I'm being point blank honest-when Vinny Cerrato was no longer here, Redskins fans were...

DAN: excited...

HH: Yeah, excited. You know, none of us know Vinny personally, not a single one of us know him that way, but he was so inextricably linked to what has gone on here the last decade, that the mere subtraction of him from the equation was something that magically gave people that feeling. Was there any part of that decision of moving on-not firing or blaming him, but turning the page-was there any part of that decision that was meant to inspire hope in Redskins fans?

DAN: That wasn't the driver. For me the driver was: my intentions are pure. I'm trying to win, OK? I'm trying to do good in the community. I'm trying to be a good father for my kids, trying to be a good family man. I'm also trying to get this franchise to where it belongs which is the Super Bowl and championships, and the highest level both on and off the field. And we were headed in the wrong direction. It's very simple. And the first thing you have to do is look in the mirror and you have to say-and be honest with yourself, you can't say well, "Hope springs eternal and it's going to get better and what Vinny Cerrato or Jim Zorn says is going to be great." No, reality is reality. You know, I didn't call two fake field goals in a row.
########while I understand that the boys at HH couldn't ask questions that your ol' pal buster would ask -if they ever wanted a 2nd interview- only Larry Michael could have gone easier on the short boy. Snyder was all but begging them to ask tougher questions

 
I didn't even post part 1 of the interview because the interviewers said it was full of softball, suck-up questions.

I was surprised to even see that much criticism of Zorn and Cerrato from Snyder, actually.

 
Jason Reid

With his knee still sore Thursday and the field slick, Albert Haynesworth apparently did not take the conditioning test he must pass to participate fully in practice. As he has done throughout training camp, the two-time all-pro reported to Redskins Park at 6 a.m. to begin a daily workout designed to improve his conditioning. Haynesworth has worked closely with strength coach Ray Wright in an attempt to please Coach Mike Shanahan and return to work.

The Redskins have denied reporters permission to interview defensive coordinator Jim Haslett on any subject until Haynesworth is permitted to practice. Haslett, one of Shanahan's top lieutenants, is in complete agreement with his boss's handling of Haynesworth, team sources familiar with the situation said late Tuesday night.

But Haslett and Haynesworth are developing a good working relationship, the sources said, and Haslett would prefer to have Haynesworth participate in 11-on-11 drills as soon as possible.
One source suggested Haynesworth may be able to end the testing process if he essentially apologizes to Shanahan for his offseason conduct and requests to practice. The source, however, doubts Haynesworth would apologize to Shanahan.
Is that all this is about --- getting an apology?
 
Jason Reid

Coach Mike Shanahan has made many changes along the offensive line in an effort to upgrade a group that was considered the weakest unit on the team the past two seasons.

Although veteran tackle Stephon Heyer was demoted to second string in the shakeup, he is preparing to serve as the primary backup for projected starting tackles Trent Williams and Jammal Brown.
We still need more quality backups on the O-line. Heyer has been doing terrible in camp.
 
fatness said:
Jason Reid

With his knee still sore Thursday and the field slick, Albert Haynesworth apparently did not take the conditioning test he must pass to participate fully in practice. As he has done throughout training camp, the two-time all-pro reported to Redskins Park at 6 a.m. to begin a daily workout designed to improve his conditioning. Haynesworth has worked closely with strength coach Ray Wright in an attempt to please Coach Mike Shanahan and return to work.

The Redskins have denied reporters permission to interview defensive coordinator Jim Haslett on any subject until Haynesworth is permitted to practice. Haslett, one of Shanahan's top lieutenants, is in complete agreement with his boss's handling of Haynesworth, team sources familiar with the situation said late Tuesday night.

But Haslett and Haynesworth are developing a good working relationship, the sources said, and Haslett would prefer to have Haynesworth participate in 11-on-11 drills as soon as possible.
One source suggested Haynesworth may be able to end the testing process if he essentially apologizes to Shanahan for his offseason conduct and requests to practice. The source, however, doubts Haynesworth would apologize to Shanahan.
Is that all this is about --- getting an apology?
If it's about an apology then this is just the very same stupid power play I thought it was and I think less of Shanny for it, as I would imagine a number of players do too. I think Haynesworth's handling of this offseason has been atrocious, but both sides need to simply move on and prepare for the season. There's no reason to believe that Haynesworth is "acting out" at this point; you can't say the same thing about Shanny.

 
fatness said:
One source suggested Haynesworth may be able to end the testing process if he essentially apologizes to Shanahan for his offseason conduct and requests to practice. The source, however, doubts Haynesworth would apologize to Shanahan.
If it's about an apology then this is just the very same stupid power play I thought it was and I think less of Shanny for it, as I would imagine a number of players do too. I think Haynesworth's handling of this offseason has been atrocious, but both sides need to simply move on and prepare for the season. There's no reason to believe that Haynesworth is "acting out" at this point; you can't say the same thing about Shanny.
Some key words in that report are: "One source", "suggested", and "may be able to".I'm not saying Shanahan is above that, but it's not like Reid is presenting some rock solid reporting here.

 
Jason Reid

Coach Mike Shanahan has made many changes along the offensive line in an effort to upgrade a group that was considered the weakest unit on the team the past two seasons.

Although veteran tackle Stephon Heyer was demoted to second string in the shakeup, he is preparing to serve as the primary backup for projected starting tackles Trent Williams and Jammal Brown.
We still need more quality backups on the O-line. Heyer has been doing terrible in camp.
:thumbup: The best thing anyone can say about Heyer is that he has experience at both tackle positions. Unfortunately, he's not very good at either position. But, hey, he has experience!

 
Jason Reid

Coach Mike Shanahan has made many changes along the offensive line in an effort to upgrade a group that was considered the weakest unit on the team the past two seasons.

Although veteran tackle Stephon Heyer was demoted to second string in the shakeup, he is preparing to serve as the primary backup for projected starting tackles Trent Williams and Jammal Brown.
We still need more quality backups on the O-line. Heyer has been doing terrible in camp.
:thumbup: The best thing anyone can say about Heyer is that he has experience at both tackle positions. Unfortunately, he's not very good at either position. But, hey, he has experience!
I haven't seen a single pic or frame of video of Heyer this preseason, but these consistent reports from multiple sources about his awful play make it sound like he's a guy whose head's not in it and who doesn't have the heart or work ethic to prepare the right way this past offseason.
 
Jason Reid

Coach Mike Shanahan has made many changes along the offensive line in an effort to upgrade a group that was considered the weakest unit on the team the past two seasons.

Although veteran tackle Stephon Heyer was demoted to second string in the shakeup, he is preparing to serve as the primary backup for projected starting tackles Trent Williams and Jammal Brown.
We still need more quality backups on the O-line. Heyer has been doing terrible in camp.
:rolleyes: The best thing anyone can say about Heyer is that he has experience at both tackle positions. Unfortunately, he's not very good at either position. But, hey, he has experience!
I haven't seen a single pic or frame of video of Heyer this preseason, but these consistent reports from multiple sources about his awful play make it sound like he's a guy whose head's not in it and who doesn't have the heart or work ethic to prepare the right way this past offseason.
Also consider these quotes from Heyer:
"Every year I've come down with something," he said. "Right now, I'm playing really healthy and with a lot of energy. So I'd say it's the best shape I've been in.

"Of course, you've just got to keep playing and hope and pray you stay healthy for the course of the season. It's tough, because we're always banging. The thing I've learned the most is that if you're healthy 100 percent of the time you can play to the best of your ability."
So, he's claiming he's fully healthy and admits that means he's playing his best.
 
I haven't seen a single pic or frame of video of Heyer this preseason, but these consistent reports from multiple sources about his awful play make it sound like he's a guy whose head's not in it and who doesn't have the heart or work ethic to prepare the right way this past offseason.
Also consider these quotes from Heyer:
"Every year I've come down with something," he said. "Right now, I'm playing really healthy and with a lot of energy. So I'd say it's the best shape I've been in.

"Of course, you've just got to keep playing and hope and pray you stay healthy for the course of the season. It's tough, because we're always banging. The thing I've learned the most is that if you're healthy 100 percent of the time you can play to the best of your ability."
So, he's claiming he's fully healthy and admits that means he's playing his best.
I don't believe him. Not one bit.
 
I'm not sure anything will compare to the Art Monk standing ovation, but I'll definitely make an effort to see his induction speech.

 
Another player who's been pretty consistently bad in camp is Rex Grossman. Looking at Chris Russell's camp updates this morning there's more of it:

using play clock in 11s. Rex with bad throw into traffic on boot swallowed up by Wilson.
Carlos Rogers with a pick in 11s on Rex Grossman with bad Footwork under pressure
 
Another player who's been pretty consistently bad in camp is Rex Grossman. Looking at Chris Russell's camp updates this morning there's more of it:

using play clock in 11s. Rex with bad throw into traffic on boot swallowed up by Wilson.
I saw him do the exact same thing when I was at camp on Monday. He rolled right and both receivers were covered. Instead of just throwing it out of bounds, he turned back towards the middle of the field and pretty much threw it to nobody. The closest people were some DL.
 
Studs and Duds, 8/5/2010 from John Keim.

Studs

WR Roydell Williams. He beat Kevin Barnes down the right side in a one-on-one drill and then later beat DeAngelo Hall. On the latter play, the pass was just off his fingertips; but he had Hall by a couple steps.

CB Carlos Rogers. He’s played tight coverage all of camp (of course, aside from Santana Moss, it’s not exactly a dangerous group) and today had his second pick of camp. One reason the Redskins like him covering inside is because he’s physical and perhaps it will give him a better chance to pick off tipped passes, etc. Today, though, he intercepted the pass as he ran to his left. He also seems to be reading receivers better; doesn’t mean he won’t get beat because they all do. But it’s a good start.
Also Kevin Barnes, Orakpo again, and Terrence Austin.
Duds

QB Donovan McNabb. Just all over with his throws again. Today was the Bad Donovan. Was behind people on bootleg throws and missed on deep passes. I’d love to see film of him to see why he’s up one day and down the next. Sadly, they haven’t invited me in the room yet.

QB Rex Grossman. We saw the guy who was chased out of Chicago today. Grossman did not make good decisions under duress, which is how he threw the pick to Rogers. Eat the ball. Instead, under pressure, he threw off his back foot as he tumbled backwards. Had no chance of being completed. None.

WR Devin Thomas. Needs to take more advantage of matchups and opportunities. Justin Tryon covered him well on one play and Kevin Barnes had him on another in which he prevented Thomas from running a crossing pattern with his positioning. Thomas also had a drop. He clearly has more talent than all but a couple receivers, and maybe surpassed only by Santana Moss, but he’s getting few if any reps with the starters. Bad sign. He needs to win more one-on-one matchups.
Also Selvish Capers and Byron Westbrook.
 
An Ode to Colt and Yoder, by Chris Cooley :lmao:

"Taking a look closer at what Todd Yoder can do for a team is more impressive than Megan Fox's ###"

"Yoder takes the same hit Lawerence Taylor put on Theisman while simultanously chewing up a beer bottle and he still has the wherewithal to piss on my broken ankle."
 
From Keim this morning:

Shanahan is trying to remake a guy who already has been formed. Joe Gibbs used to say, when others would tell him he could change someone, "What makes you think I can do it in one year when he's been that way for 20?" Point being, this is who he is. If Shanahan indeed wants to push him as no one has ever done before, as Jason Reid of the Washington Post wrote this morning, then I can't see how it's going to work. I also wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan starts to amp up his public comments about the matter. The guy is good at sending messages.
 
From Keim this morning:

Shanahan is trying to remake a guy who already has been formed. Joe Gibbs used to say, when others would tell him he could change someone, "What makes you think I can do it in one year when he's been that way for 20?" Point being, this is who he is. If Shanahan indeed wants to push him as no one has ever done before, as Jason Reid of the Washington Post wrote this morning, then I can't see how it's going to work. I also wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan starts to amp up his public comments about the matter. The guy is good at sending messages.
I'm not so sure Shanahan is trying to "remake" anyone. Shanahan has been given control of the team, therefore he's going to run the team under his control/rules/methods/ideals/etc. You either buy in and get on board or you don't. Haynesworth, or anyone else, doesn't have to change anything. They just have to make a decision.
 
Shanahan wants Haynesworth to play and practice through a knee injury Haynesworth has had before, and which was treated by resting it before. Shanahan changed the team defense from 4-3 to 3-4, though Haynesworth signed with the Skins because he was told they wouldn't run a 3-4. So yeah, there's a "remaking" attempt going on.

 
Frustration with Albert Haynesworth Mounting

A Jason Reid article based on his recent contacts with people in the Skins organization. It's a decent article, though it's hard to say what Haynesworth's side of this is since he's not talking to the press about it.

I think this situation may be turning ugly by next week. If the front office is starting to go back to using the press to deal with Haynesworth then they're frustrated and don't quite know what to do. Meanwhile Haynesworth is doing all that's asked of him except re-taking the test, and isn't talking.

It's not crazy to imagine this turning into an attempt to recoup salary on one hand, and an injury grievance on the other hand.

 
Shanahan wants Haynesworth to play and practice through a knee injury Haynesworth has had before, and which was treated by resting it before. Shanahan changed the team defense from 4-3 to 3-4, though Haynesworth signed with the Skins because he was told they wouldn't run a 3-4. So yeah, there's a "remaking" attempt going on.
The quote from Keim was specifically about "remaking" people. Is the team/organization being remade. Absolutely, and rightfully so. It was a hellacious mess. But Shanahan isn't trying to force any individual player to be remade into something he's not. He's simply saying they have to decide to be a part of his team, which requires following his rules, or not.Haynesworth needs to make that decision, because the options aren't changing.
 
Shanahan wants Haynesworth to play and practice through a knee injury Haynesworth has had before, and which was treated by resting it before. Shanahan changed the team defense from 4-3 to 3-4, though Haynesworth signed with the Skins because he was told they wouldn't run a 3-4. So yeah, there's a "remaking" attempt going on.
The quote from Keim was specifically about "remaking" people. Is the team/organization being remade. Absolutely, and rightfully so. It was a hellacious mess. But Shanahan isn't trying to force any individual player to be remade into something he's not. He's simply saying they have to decide to be a part of his team, which requires following his rules, or not.Haynesworth needs to make that decision, because the options aren't changing.
He's going more than "simply saying". He's stamping his feet, insisting, pouting, etc. Figuratively of course, but he's doing these things with his "my way or the highway" approach. It looks more like insecurity on Shanny's part than leadership/control, especially because he's got a legit injury as Shanny himself acknowledge, backed up of course by that very history. Let him get healthy and then insist upon rules, but to demand he jeopardize his health and potentially his career just for "rules" is stupid.
 
Let him get healthy and then insist upon rules, but to demand he jeopardize his health and potentially his career just for "rules" is stupid.
That's one of the 2 areas in which the Redskins have to be careful in dealing with Haynesworth. 1. If Haynesworth continues doing all that is asked, and won't take the test again due to injury concerns about his knee, and is forced to take it and the injury worsens, the Redskins are in a very shaky situation of causing a more severe injury when they knew that might happen. 2. Haslett being forbidden to talk to the press until Haynesworth passes the test is in violation of NFL rules. No one's made an official complaint about it, but coordinators have to be made reasonably available to the press on a regular basis. Haslett had some good things to say about Haynesworth, Shanahan muzzled him, and it's a matter of time until someone files a complaint with the league about it.
 
Let him get healthy and then insist upon rules, but to demand he jeopardize his health and potentially his career just for "rules" is stupid.
That's one of the 2 areas in which the Redskins have to be careful in dealing with Haynesworth. 1. If Haynesworth continues doing all that is asked, and won't take the test again due to injury concerns about his knee, and is forced to take it and the injury worsens, the Redskins are in a very shaky situation of causing a more severe injury when they knew that might happen.

2. Haslett being forbidden to talk to the press until Haynesworth passes the test is in violation of NFL rules. No one's made an official complaint about it, but coordinators have to be made reasonably available to the press on a regular basis. Haslett had some good things to say about Haynesworth, Shanahan muzzled him, and it's a matter of time until someone files a complaint with the league about it.
Good point. I'm surprised this hasn't been a bigger deal as I recall it was last year when Blache refused and Gray stepped right in. I actually am surprised we haven't really had an interview from Kyle yet as well. Can't wait to hear these two give some insight on the new systems.
 
Haynesworth needs to make that decision, because the options aren't changing.
Keim's point seems to be that if Shanahan is trying to "remake" Haynesworth, it won't work. That leaves Shanahan as the one who needs to make decisions.
If that is what Shanahan is trying to do, I agree. It won't work. I don't believe Shanahan has any interest in that, though.Shanahan has already made the decisions he needs to make, and that he has every right and prerogative to make. This is his ship. If Haynesworth doesn't want to be on it, he needs to get off. If he does want to be on it, he needs to fall in line. A football team should never be a democracy. It should always be an autocracy.

 
2. Haslett being forbidden to talk to the press until Haynesworth passes the test is in violation of NFL rules. No one's made an official complaint about it, but coordinators have to be made reasonably available to the press on a regular basis. Haslett had some good things to say about Haynesworth, Shanahan muzzled him, and it's a matter of time until someone files a complaint with the league about it.
Good point. I'm surprised this hasn't been a bigger deal as I recall it was last year when Blache refused and Gray stepped right in. I actually am surprised we haven't really had an interview from Kyle yet as well. Can't wait to hear these two give some insight on the new systems.
The Blache/Gray situation had to be cleared through the NFL because it happened during the season. I'm not sure the same rules about media access to coordinators applies during training camp.
 
There's a difference between trying to change who someone is and trying to get someone to take certain actions through incentives. Trying to change who someone is won't happen. But, it is possible to find the right incentives to get someone to take certain actions. However, you don't want to offer an incentive that will then damage something else with the team.

I would assume Gibbs' quote and philosophy refers to trying to change who someone is. But, he definitely believed in motivation, which generally uses incentives to lead to a desired action.

In other words, Shanahan can't do anything to change Albert's philosophy on life. The stance he's taking isn't going to make Albert someone who desires to play in the 3-4 and simply occupy blockers without receiving credit because that's not who he is. What Shanahan is doing, though, can change certain actions Albert takes. The coach can provide incentives to get him to line up at NT even if he doesn't want to. It's possible that Shanahan simply hasn't found the right incentives yet to get Albert to do something he's capable of doing (the conditioning test, assuming he is capable).

 
For all of the bashing on Haynesworth, since he arrived for camp, he has only had mistake: He did not know or train properly for the conditioning test. He actually may be in fine condition. The first day, the initial reports were he "killed" the first half of the test. I take that to mean he ran the shuttle significantly faster than 70 s. Of course, there are no bonus points for running it faster. Then he inexplicable took a 10 minute bathroom break (I guess that's a 2nd mistake). So he has to start over and then failed the test.

The second day, he ran the first half in 71 seconds, possibly saving energy for the 2ndf half. This is smart, but he should have practiced this BEFORE he got to Redskin Park.

On Day 3, his knee started acting up and the hasn't taken the test since.

But from all accounts, he is doing what is asked of him and he is not having a bad attitude, at least publicly.

 

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