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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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buster c
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
Where's the "Moss' future is in doubt" talk coming from? I'm not saying he's a guy this team can lean on, but I don't see why Bryant would automatically pass him. Production-wise, they are very similar. Bryant is two years younger, but I don't think Moss is too old to be affective yet.I'd welcome Bryant to the receiving corp. For now, I still think the future at WR rests on Thomas' and Kelly's shoulders. They both need to take another step or two forward this year and it would be really nice if one of them could turn into a reliable starter by 2011.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Moss needs to play fewer snaps so he can stay fresh and uninjured through an entire season. He's not a "go-to" WR anyway who is used to move the chains - he's more of a big play threat - so he doesn't need to be in on every play. Adding a guy like Bryant, who BTW has supposedly matured a LOT since his early days in the NFL, would enable them to do that and it would also enable Shanny to put Thomas and Kelly in advantageous positions/matchups.
buster c
Footballguy
initially, yes. then, after JC "leads" the team to a 2-6 start, Hill can come in, go 5-3 and everybody will be saying that ol' buster cherry sure can scout ex-Terp QB's
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Ok, so for the first ever...we are not signing the top named FA's. Now we keep bringing in 2nd & 3rd tier FA's, but they are all leaving without contracts. What are we really doing? We did cut a lot of guys, so naturally we can't all replace them with the few draft picks we have, right?
I can understand that we are setting up our salary cap situation for years to come by this one uncapped year, but at some point we are going to actually sign somebody.
At this point it appears we are only interested in minimum type deals cuz looking at everyone and then watching them sign elsewhere is for the birds at this point.
I have to chalk this one down to one of the most boring NFL FA periods ever...yuck!
I can understand that we are setting up our salary cap situation for years to come by this one uncapped year, but at some point we are going to actually sign somebody.
At this point it appears we are only interested in minimum type deals cuz looking at everyone and then watching them sign elsewhere is for the birds at this point.
I have to chalk this one down to one of the most boring NFL FA periods ever...yuck!
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Who's up for an intervention with Bizkiteer?Ok, so for the first ever...we are not signing the top named FA's. Now we keep bringing in 2nd & 3rd tier FA's, but they are all leaving without contracts. What are we really doing? We did cut a lot of guys, so naturally we can't all replace them with the few draft picks we have, right?I can understand that we are setting up our salary cap situation for years to come by this one uncapped year, but at some point we are going to actually sign somebody.At this point it appears we are only interested in minimum type deals cuz looking at everyone and then watching them sign elsewhere is for the birds at this point.I have to chalk this one down to one of the most boring NFL FA periods ever...yuck!
fatness
Footballguy
He's really jonesing, isn't he?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Well, it looks like they'll probably be getting a non-comp pick, so, you know, that's one less FA to worry about.
Ok, so for the first ever...we are not signing the top named FA's. Now we keep bringing in 2nd & 3rd tier FA's, but they are all leaving without contracts. What are we really doing? We did cut a lot of guys, so naturally we can't all replace them with the few draft picks we have, right?I can understand that we are setting up our salary cap situation for years to come by this one uncapped year, but at some point we are going to actually sign somebody.At this point it appears we are only interested in minimum type deals cuz looking at everyone and then watching them sign elsewhere is for the birds at this point.I have to chalk this one down to one of the most boring NFL FA periods ever...yuck!
so you would prefer them to have signed Dansby and Peppers? I don't think it would be prudent to have almost $200 million tied up in two players on our D-Line.It's a pretty tenuous position, but if he is right, we get to draft Mr. Irrelavent.
fatness
Footballguy
We just cut several of those.
fatness
Footballguy
buster c
Footballguy
Philly was up 27-7 at that point.
on fatso for unsportsmanlikeconducthe made some big plays for us and conducted himself as a man of high character. it's just that he was overpaid by $25m
buster c
Footballguy
for mature audiences only: Redskins Nation will be interviewing these guys in the coming days:
Mike Bass
Ted Vactor
Len Hauss
John Wilbur
Pat Fischer
Roy Jefferson
Billy Kilmer
Walter Rock
Witnessing the Snyder era feels like payback for the good old days. I'm sorry for those who missed it.
Mike Bass
Ted Vactor
Len Hauss
John Wilbur
Pat Fischer
Roy Jefferson
Billy Kilmer
Walter Rock
Witnessing the Snyder era feels like payback for the good old days. I'm sorry for those who missed it.
fatness
Footballguy
LOL at defending an incredibly stupid mistake.on fatso for unsportsmanlikeconduct
Buster you confuse me. Right now they are doing exactly what you said you wanted them to do last year. Do you want them to buy all the over priced Free Agents or take a more prudent move to building through the draft?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
What do you guys need a WR for?
Devin Thomas, Kelly, and Moss...pretty solid if you ask me.
Devin Thomas, Kelly, and Moss...pretty solid if you ask me.
fatness
Footballguy
The only consistent opinions buster has are in who he hates: Snyder, Portis, Hall (and I think I might have made the list). Other than that, his football opinions are all over the place.
fatness
Footballguy
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Uh, he wasn't defending the mistake. He was putting it in proper context and frankly, making you look a bit foolish.LOL at defending an incredibly stupid mistake.on fatso for unsportsmanlikeconduct
fatness
Footballguy
I am foolish. I don't believe being behind 27-7 is a good reason for catching a punt with your facemask.I also am foolish because I don't believe it shows "character" when a player is benched, goes over the coach's head and whines to the GM (Cerrato), and gets his job back.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
:( I liked ARE and thought that he was never used to his optimum effect by the coaching staff. He should have been our Wes Welker, running 9-yard crosses, ins and outs and moving the chains. He almost never was, and was way out of his depth as a 2nd rather than a 3rd WR in the slot, but that was also due to the team having no good alternatives at the WR position. He was, however, a lousy PR after having been pretty good at Pittsburgh, and his contract was grossly inflated. His contract wasn't his "fault", but I don't really know what happened to his PR skills, which were a huge part of why he was signed to begin with.
fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Oof. I really hope they were blown away by his current state of recovery and prognosis. That sounds like a lot of money to be giving a guy that big (and that old) with a lower leg injury. Granted he's a stopgap at best in an uncapped year, but if he goes down week 1 (or isn't even ready by week 1) that would seem to put a major crimp in the D's ability to run the 3-4.
NickyHatton
Footballguy
I like the Kemo signing. He was a good NT from the games I saw him play. Hopefully he'll be ready at some point in the first 6 weeks
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Of the season!?
If he can get and stay healthy, I like the signing, too. Everything I've heard up until now, though, has me feeling that's a big "if".Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I like the signing. It's a good calculated risk. Only a 2 year deal. If he doesn't work out this season they can cut him with little or no consequence.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
Yup. The Baltimore part of his resume is promising and points directly at the transition to a 3-4.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
This is the part that worries me. I think the worst kept secret in the NFL right now may be that the 'Skins will be moving a to 3-4. This signing would seem to make Kemoeatu the default starting NT (he's the only guy on the roster with 3-4 NT experience). I'm no 3-4 guru, but from what I understand, the NT is probably the most important position to a successful 3-4. And now the 'Skins #1 NT is on the wrong side of 30 and struggling to recover from a lower leg injury (a bad thing, IMO, for someone hanging around 350 lbs, and who may play closer to 400).Again, if he can get and stay healthy for at least one season, I really like the signing. I'm just not feeling good about the "if" right now.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
I think Montgomery can play NT too at 330 lbs. He's a 4-3 DT with a gap-stuffing stuffing rather than shoot-the-gap undertackle style, and I don't think the transition for him will be all that great.
dgreen
Footballguy
They have visited with a lot of players so far. Most have left with no deal. They've only signed two guys. I don't think bringing him in means a whole lot right now.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
They also need another RB. LJ's past his prime but is better than most if not all other FA options aside from Sproles, but he'd also be a lot less expensive than Sproles. I'm indifferent but LJ's worth at least a look.
buster c
Footballguy
this sounds like the perspective of someone who probably thinks inside a box, never wanting to deviate too much from the norm, where it is safe and the risks are known. and I guess you don't hang on my every word or you'd know that I favor an approach that has been the opposite of what Snyder has followed since he took over. That is, a long-term view. Build through the draft. Pay "yours," not "others." Focus on the lines first.fatness said:
But in football, as in life, you must be adaptable to the changing circumstances and make a move or two that serve the best interest despite the appearance of contradicting the long term goal. Example: the Skins have no OL. While drafting and developing these types of players is the way to go, if all of a sudden the rules are suspended and you're allowed to sign anyone - cost be damned - I think they need to do it. Otherwise, Stephon Heyer and Mike Williams are getting your boy JC killed again and you complain that we need to be patient with Campbell as he approaches his 30th birthday.
You see Fatty, it's the ability to be adaptable that is so important. With Snyder, I think this offseason he was determined to show everybody he's changed and try to make amends for his past mistakes in devaluing this franchise to Lion/Bengal levels. There's huge irony in this as he now seems unwilling to spend big on hugely needed O-linemen, when overpaying doesn't matter, unlike in prior capped years.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
You didn't say any of that. You posted a silly link showing Randle El making one mistake. When you provide more clarity - like in this post above - it's far more helpful to figure out what you mean.fatness said:
dgreen
Footballguy
There are pages and pages and pages of stuff in this thread and the Regular Season Thread that provide clarity to that one simple link. This is a thread of Redskins fans who all know the background.
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
I don't disagree about needing to rebuild the line with both rookie draft picks and vets. If you don't you simply can't reasonably expect to replace 4-5 placeholders with starters in less than at least 3-4 years, and that's with both excellent drafting and development. You can't wait that long. Besides, it's good for the young guys to be playing alongside competent vets for learning purposes.
NickyHatton
Footballguy
yeah I dont think they signed Kemo thinking he's gonna be ready to play by Week 1. I dont think he's even running yet after his achilles surgery. but it wasnt big money and he could really help out the run D at some point
fatness
Footballguy
I don't think it's guaranteed that he'll even play again, much less get in shape to make the team and earn some playing time. This guy's huge and injured, and is probably more of a longshot Mike-Williams-type reclamation project without too much money at stake. I don't see him as anything near a guaranteed starter. He was talented before. It's worth a few bucks (not a ton) to see if he can be talented again (enough to help the team).
Peggy Starfish
Footballguy
It's also my impression that players, particularly those who don't rely upon speed, tend to recover very well from Achilles injuries.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
The Redskins have signed 2 free agents so far, one of them on the O-line. They don't seem unwilling to pay. The seem unwilling to overpay, which was one of the habits that was devaluing the team.The other thing we have to get used to besides not overpaying is not rushing out to sign people real fast. That's what makes it seem like nothing's being done --- Redskins fans are used to fast and expensive signings. But that's not the way more successful teams do it, and we've got some re-learning to do as fans I think.
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