***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[southeastjerome]

Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and he said (and I paraphrase) "For the Redskins taking the tackle is the obvious move, but let's just say they have something up their sleeve". He also mentioned that they definitely want to trade down, but it is unlikely because they don't have any partners.

Eric Berry?

That was my first thought too.

 

[fatness]

The surprise?

Sources told FanHouse on Wednesday night that the Washington Redskins are still in discussions with the Rams and trying to make a deal for Bradford, who would then sit for a year in Washington behind Donovan McNabb and develop under new Redskins coach Mike Shanahan.

One of the sources said that Washington was the only team still in the mix to trade for Bradford, who has told the Rams he won't sign a contract until after he is drafted. The Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns -- two teams that had interest in Bradford -- are no longer making the effort to try to trade up and get him. And the gathering strength of Stan Kroenke's Rams ownership bid may alleviate the financial concerns that have threatened the Rams' ability or willingness to sign Bradford, meaning they might just draft him and keep him. But as of Wednesday night, even with McNabb on board, the offensive line a lingering concern and no picks in the second or third rounds, the Redskins were apparently still working on a way to come away with the draft's biggest QB prize.

What the Redskins would have to surrender in such a deal (in addition to their current pick, which is No. 4 overall) is unclear. Washington has some current players it has been trying to trade, such as DT Albert Haynesworth, safety LaRon Landry and deposed starting QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins could conceivably package one or more of those players along with their first-round pick in a deal for Bradford. Such a deal would only seem to make sense for the Rams if they're not sold on Bradford or don't want to give him the contract he's seeking (more than the $41.7 million guaranteed that last year's No. 1 pick, Matthew Stafford, got from the Lions).

But Shanahan apparently does love Bradford, and McNabb is signed for just one more season, so Washington will continue to try, possibly even after the Rams have selected Bradford and right up until it's their turn to pick at No. 4. If they don't swing a deal for Bradford, the Redskins are expected to use that No. 4 pick on an offensive tackle, either Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Oklahoma State's Russell Okung.

I hope they do not do this.

 

[dgreen]

I 100% don't believe all these "Redskins still trying to get Bradford" rumors. But, if they do, the "benefit of the doubt" I've been giving Allen and Shanahan really starts to erode.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and he said (and I paraphrase) "For the Redskins taking the tackle is the obvious move, but let's just say they have something up their sleeve". He also mentioned that they definitely want to trade down, but it is unlikely because they don't have any partners.

Eric Berry?

Admittedly that would be totally s!ck having Landry and Berry. If Bradfords there at 4, I'd take him. He would be my BPA. Let Bradford develop for a couple of years while Donovan does the best he can with this o-line. Build the o-line through free-agency and with 2011s full slate of draft picks. By 2012 the line could be alot better and Bradford would be just about ready to take over.

 

[fatness]

I 100% don't believe all these "Redskins still trying to get Bradford" rumors. But, if they do, the "benefit of the doubt" I've been giving Allen and Shanahan really starts to erode.

Faith in them would erode for me also. A team with gaping needs at multiple positions and with few draft picks does not need to be wasting multiple hihg draft picks for 2 franchise QB's.

 

[dgreen]

Holy crap, is Landry getting moved to LB!?

Steinberg:

"It's gonna be interchangeable, strong safety and free safety, I need to know both positions," he said. "I'm also gonna play a little linebacker."

 

[fatness]

All I know is the Redskins better come away with a very good offensive lineman or a batch of picks with the fourth overall selection, because the only certain thing about NFL draft history is this: When you have one of the top five picks, you better get it right.

3-page article by Mike Wise

 

[fatness]

Despite their recent public denials, the Redskins have actively tried to trade Haynesworth since shortly after a January meeting with coaches at Redskins Park in which the Pro Bowler made it clear he had no interest in becoming a 3-4 nose tackle, multiple people familiar with the situation have said for weeks.

The Redskins have known for some time what they could expect to receive from other teams in exchange for the two-time all-pro. And to be sure, there is a market for Haynesworth, arguably the league's most dominant defensive player during the 2007-08 seasons. But the Redskins, obviously, have not received the type of offers they want. They are believed to be seeking at least a second-round pick for Haynesworth.

After all, it probably would be difficult for owner Daniel Snyder to accept receiving a pick lower than that after having paid Haynesworth $32 million in 14 months. So the reality is Haynesworth might remain on the roster. Haynesworth likely will be with the team for the 2010 season if he is not moved during the draft, one of the sources said.

Jason Reid

 

[southeastjerome]

Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and he said (and I paraphrase) "For the Redskins taking the tackle is the obvious move, but let's just say they have something up their sleeve". He also mentioned that they definitely want to trade down, but it is unlikely because they don't have any partners.

Eric Berry?

Admittedly that would be totally s!ck having Landry and Berry. If Bradfords there at 4, I'd take him. He would be my BPA. Let Bradford develop for a couple of years while Donovan does the best he can with this o-line. Build the o-line through free-agency and with 2011s full slate of draft picks. By 2012 the line could be alot better and Bradford would be just about ready to take over.

I agree. I like Bradford. I just do not want to give up the farm to get him. That's probably the only way in my mind that they could totally blow this draft. That or draft Clausen. In order of preference assuming the DT's are gone:1. Trade down, get more picks2. Draft Okung3. Draft Williams4. Draft Bradford5. Draft Berry

 

[buster c]

OKUNG!

 

[Hang 10]

I think it's fantastic that noone truly knows what Allen & Shanahan's plans are. That's exactly how it should be.

 

[southeastjerome]

I think it's fantastic that noone truly knows what Allen & Shanahan's plans are. That's exactly how it should be.

 

[Sebowski]

I 100% don't believe all these "Redskins still trying to get Bradford" rumors. But, if they do, the "benefit of the doubt" I've been giving Allen and Shanahan really starts to erode.

Trading for a 33yr old choke artist did that for me.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Adam Schefter was on Mike and Mike this morning and he said (and I paraphrase) "For the Redskins taking the tackle is the obvious move, but let's just say they have something up their sleeve". He also mentioned that they definitely want to trade down, but it is unlikely because they don't have any partners.

Eric Berry?

Admittedly that would be totally s!ck having Landry and Berry. If Bradfords there at 4, I'd take him. He would be my BPA. Let Bradford develop for a couple of years while Donovan does the best he can with this o-line. Build the o-line through free-agency and with 2011s full slate of draft picks. By 2012 the line could be alot better and Bradford would be just about ready to take over.

I agree. I like Bradford. I just do not want to give up the farm to get him. That's probably the only way in my mind that they could totally blow this draft. That or draft Clausen. In order of preference assuming the DT's are gone:1. Trade down, get more picks2. Draft Okung3. Draft Williams4. Draft Bradford5. Draft Berry

I think I agree with your list although I would pretty much just trust in whatever they do if Okung is gone by the time we pick. I'm not sold on Williams and really don't wanna reach for him.

 

[fatness]

With so much going on this week, the possible trade of Albert Haynesworth is almost getting overlooked. The most likely candidate to acquire Haynesworth in our eyes remains the Tennessee Titans. And Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean believes that a trade would likely have to happen today if it's going to happen at all.

The reasoning is simple. Acquiring Haynesworth would likely change Tennessee's draft strategy. With Haynesworth back in the fold, the team may have the luxury to move recently Jason Jones back to defensive end. They would have less of a need for a first round defensive lineman.

Then again, the other teams reportedly interested in Haynesworth -- St. Louis and Detroit -- don't have the same deadline. Since their second-round picks could be in play for Haynesworth, the teams could work on a trade throughout the day Friday.

link

 

[fatness]

John Keim's draft day memories

1. Talking on a conference call with center Cory Raymer, who sounded as if he, um, had had a couple beers before talking to us -- his family was having a draft day party. Can't imagine an OL from the midwest having a beer on a Saturday.

5. Now for the Steve Spurrier section. It's a long one. There is a somewhat clouded memory of this, but it's splitting hairs. During his first draft, he was in the media room talking to reporters -- he was a good guy -- and he looked up at the TV screen. The Redskins were either on the clock or about to make a pick and his reaction? "Guess I'd better go!" The head coach was not involved.

6. The Redskins made a huge mistake putting Spurrier out in front of the cameras after the pick. They drafted Robert Royal and Spurrier went to the podium, pulled out Royal's bio and started reading from it. Didn't know anything about him. Saw how many passes Royal had caught in college (59) and said, "I guess he can catch the ball." Later, they picked Andre Lott, a safety from Tennessee -- who had played in the same conference as Spurrier's Gators. So he would have gone against him - and he was on defense! But Spurrier knew nothing about him. And he snapped at a reporter who couldn't believe this was the case.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

The NFL Network seems to think the pick will be Eric Berry.

 

[DCThunder]

I know how we're going to get the pick to take Bradford. We're going to trade McNabb to the Rams for that pick straight up and then draft Bradford #1 and either Okung or Williams at #4. Then Campbell, Grossman and Bradford will fight it out for the start this year. Can you say SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!! It's foolproof!

 

[fatness]

I like this dream from someone on Extremeskins:

Here's how this WHOLE convoluted ordeal plays out with the Redskins involvementittsburgh trades Ben to Seattle for #14Pittsburgh Packages #14 & #18 to Washington for #4Pittsburgh takes Clausen at #4Seattle takes tackle at #6Washington goes tackle @14Washington trades #18 for 2nd & 3rd this year and 2nd or 3rd next year with Cleveland

 

[fatness]

The NFL Network seems to think the pick will be Eric Berry.

I don't think anyone has any idea of what they'll do with the pick. I don't think they'll pick Berry, then wait until Saturday to make another pick. Too many needs would be neglected that way, and safety is not a need no matter how good Berry is.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I only post this because words can not express how happy I am that this fool is gone:

Thursday morning, he was on Mike and Mike, and he was asked about the third and fourth QBs in this draft.

"You cannot play in this league without a quarterback," Cerrato said. "Trust me, I know that. You cannot win without a franchise quarterback, and everybody's always looking for a franchise quarterback. When I was in San Fran, we had Joe Montana, Steve Young. When I was in Washington, we never had a franchise quarterback, and that's why I'm joining the ESPN team again."

Yes, that's exactly why you got fired. Because Jason Campbell is not a franchise QB.

 

[fatness]

I only post this because words can not express how happy I am that this fool is gone:

Thursday morning, he was on Mike and Mike, and he was asked about the third and fourth QBs in this draft.

"You cannot play in this league without a quarterback," Cerrato said. "Trust me, I know that. You cannot win without a franchise quarterback, and everybody's always looking for a franchise quarterback. When I was in San Fran, we had Joe Montana, Steve Young. When I was in Washington, we never had a franchise quarterback, and that's why I'm joining the ESPN team again."

Yes, that's exactly why you got fired. Because Jason Campbell is not a franchise QB.

"They kept forcing all these bad QB's on me!"

And yeah, it will still be embarrassing 10 years from now that he was in the Redskin front office. The guy is a joke every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Rich Tandler on Twitter

Vinny Cerrato on @1067thefanDC: #Redskins will take Russell Okung fourth overall over Trent Williams.

Vinnie doing his best to interfere with the new front office.

And, while discussing that pick, he also said this:

Going back to who I think that pick will be, to me the most glaring need is replacing Chris Samuels.

:shakesheadindisgust:You're seeing this about 3 seasons too late, Vin. Only you would wait until after a player retires to find his replacement.

ETA:

And apparently he kept saying Orap-ko throughout the entire interview.

 

[Sidewinder16]

And yeah, it will still be embarrassing 10 years from now that he was in the Redskin front office. The guy is a joke every time he opens his mouth.

I'm so tempted to listen to ESPN radio during the draft just to hear the hilarity that will undoubtedly ensue.

 

[jbz]

The surprise?

Sources told FanHouse on Wednesday night that the Washington Redskins are still in discussions with the Rams and trying to make a deal for Bradford, who would then sit for a year in Washington behind Donovan McNabb and develop under new Redskins coach Mike Shanahan.

One of the sources said that Washington was the only team still in the mix to trade for Bradford, who has told the Rams he won't sign a contract until after he is drafted. The Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns -- two teams that had interest in Bradford -- are no longer making the effort to try to trade up and get him. And the gathering strength of Stan Kroenke's Rams ownership bid may alleviate the financial concerns that have threatened the Rams' ability or willingness to sign Bradford, meaning they might just draft him and keep him. But as of Wednesday night, even with McNabb on board, the offensive line a lingering concern and no picks in the second or third rounds, the Redskins were apparently still working on a way to come away with the draft's biggest QB prize.

What the Redskins would have to surrender in such a deal (in addition to their current pick, which is No. 4 overall) is unclear. Washington has some current players it has been trying to trade, such as DT Albert Haynesworth, safety LaRon Landry and deposed starting QB Jason Campbell. The Redskins could conceivably package one or more of those players along with their first-round pick in a deal for Bradford. Such a deal would only seem to make sense for the Rams if they're not sold on Bradford or don't want to give him the contract he's seeking (more than the $41.7 million guaranteed that last year's No. 1 pick, Matthew Stafford, got from the Lions).

But Shanahan apparently does love Bradford, and McNabb is signed for just one more season, so Washington will continue to try, possibly even after the Rams have selected Bradford and right up until it's their turn to pick at No. 4. If they don't swing a deal for Bradford, the Redskins are expected to use that No. 4 pick on an offensive tackle, either Oklahoma's Trent Williams or Oklahoma State's Russell Okung.

I hope they do not do this. :whoosh:

The logic of this article is ridiculous if true. So the Skins plans are to go for Bradford and sit him for ONE year behind McNabb. So they basically traded away valuable high 2nd round pick and future 3rd or 4th pick to rent the choke artist McNabb for ONE stinkin year? That's the big plan? Geezus. If that was the plan they could have just kept Campbell or let Sexy Rexy start and then bring in Bradford and keep the damn picks.

 

[buster c]

more draft day rumors:

NYT

1. Washington trades Albert Haynesworth and Clinton Portis to Detroit for pick #66 in the 2010 Draft and Cliff Avril

Why It makes sense for Washington: Haynesworth has no desire to play nose tackle in a 3-4 defense, he’s not a good fit at defensive end, and the prospect of a disgruntled, overpaid half-effort Haynesworth can’t excite Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. Shanahan has already traded Portis once when given the chance back when both were in Denver, and jettisoning his 6+ million dollar price tag would help offset the 21 million dollar bonus the Redskins gave Haynesworth less than a month ago. Avril can’t seem to crack the starting lineup for the Lions because he is undersized for a 4-3 DE and the coaches have been disappointed with his progress. But he would get a fresh start in a 3-4 defense that could allow him to blossom as an OLB the way former Purdue teammate Anthony Spencer has in Dallas. The #66 pick would get the Redskins back into the top 75 of a deep draft after they traded away their second-round pick to get Donovan McNabb and used their third-round pick in last year’s supplemental draft to take Jeremy Jarmon.

Why it makes sense for Detroit: If anyone knows how to get the best out of Albert Haynesworth, it’s Detroit Coach Jim Schwartz. Haynesworth’s deal is very reasonable over the next three seasons (cheaper than the #2 overall pick’s eventual deal), and his acquisition would free up the Lions to

use the #2 overall pick to land a blindside protector for their

franchise QB Matthew Stafford (or even better, trade down with a team

coveting Ndamukong Suh, pick up more capital, and still land a coveted

LT prospect later in the top 10). Portis would be a quick fix for a

shorthanded backfield in the wake of Kevin Smith’s knee injury, and the

addition of Haynesworth would create a buzz around a franchise that has

been morose for a while now. Haynesworth’s presence would create

externalities for the opposition throughout the defense that could

ignite young playmakers like DeAndre Levy and Louis Delmas. The free-agent pickup Kyle Vanden Bosch also had his best years playing next to Haynesworth in Tennessee.

2. Washington trades Jason Campbell to Oakland for pick #106 in the 2010 Draft

Why it makes sense for Washington: Campbell is only going to be with the

team for one more year, and he has not been attending the new regime’s

first minicamp, so one assumes that he is not in their plans.

Another pick can only help Shanahan/Allen stock the roster with “their guys,” and the team has already signed Rex Grossman to back up Donovan McNabb. The team would be remiss if they don’t deal Campbell by the end of draft weekend.

Why it makes sense for Oakland: 2009 late-season hero Bruce Gradkowski recently tore a pectoral muscle while working out, JaMarcus Russell is one of the laughingstocks of the league, and Charlie Frye is, well, Charlie Frye. That’s the current QB outlook in Oakland. Campbell’s athleticism and big arm fit Al Davis’s QB fetishes to a tee, and even though he would be in yet another offensive system, Campbell would surely look like an all-pro in the Raiders’ vertical passing game next to Russell. Jimmy Clausen isn’t really Oakland’s type of QB, even if he will be there at #8, and there are too many other glaring needs for the team to take a project QB in the 2nd round.

 

[Sebowski]

Screw Okung. Screw what the team actually needs. Let's take Berry.

 

[Sidewinder16]

more draft day rumors:

Those aren't really rumors. They are pure speculation from Bloom.

 

[(HULK)]

I 100% don't believe all these "Redskins still trying to get Bradford" rumors. But, if they do, the "benefit of the doubt" I've been giving Allen and Shanahan really starts to erode.

They're only rumors, probably manufactured by Shannahan to drive up the price to trade up to 4 in the event Bradford falls to us.If other teams actually think we're interested in the kid, they'll offer more for him than if they thought we wouldn't take him anyways.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Someone started another thread about a rumor that the Skins will trade 1.04, Big Al, and Landry to St. Louis for 1.01 so they can take Bradford.

 

[dgreen]

Prediction time:

Bradford, Suh, and McCoy go top three as expected. After a lot of talk about a lot of different things, nothing really happens in the top three picks. The Redskins then get the Chiefs to swap spots and add a 3rd round pick. The Chiefs desperately want Berry and are worried that other teams are looking to get to 4 to take him. Redskins take Okung at 5.

 

[southeastjerome]

Here is a huge reach, but just tossing it out there. Is the surprise that the skins have up their sleeve Dez Bryant? Shanny hasn't shied away from character issue guys and has always went based on a players talent. He also has always had a top flight WR in his offense. Again, not likely, but it would be a massive surprise to all!

 

[Marvelous]

Here is my prediction on the huge Redskin surprise: They stay at 1.04 and pick Okung. It's a little anticlimatic, like the first day of free agency.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Here is my prediction on the huge Redskin surprise: They stay at 1.04 and pick Okung. It's a little anticlimatic, like the first day of free agency.

+1It's pretty clear they're doing everything they can to try and entice a team to move up and trade with them, but in the end I think they don't find a partner and take Okung. Was happy to see Gosselin has Okung going to the Skins in his last mock, as opposed to many of the latest mocks by others who have Williams as the pick.

 

[southeastjerome]

Here is my prediction on the huge Redskin surprise: They stay at 1.04 and pick Okung. It's a little anticlimatic, like the first day of free agency.

I'm with you. There's been talk about them loving Bradford and Clausen, now today the buzz is Berry, Trent Williams is supposedly favored because he's better for Shanahan's system. There really has been very buzz about the Skins loving Okung like there was with other players. Sure lots of mocks have Okung going there, but that's because it is what makes sense, not the buzz. Also worth noting that Okung came to visit the morning after the big McNabb trade, so it was pretty much overshadowed by all of the McNabb coverage. I think he's the pick if they don't trade back.

 

[fatness]

The Vikings are after Haynesworth according to PFT.

If the Redskins hold on to their picks and acquire no other ones I'm going to call this a poor draft. Having only 1 pick above the 4th round is abysmal; especially so since the current regime traded away a 2nd rounder on a QB past his prime to lead a team that needs to be rebuilt.

BTW, no team will trade for Haynesworth and Portis together. That's just silly thinking.

 

[fatness]

Prediction time:Bradford, Suh, and McCoy go top three as expected. After a lot of talk about a lot of different things, nothing really happens in the top three picks. The Redskins then get the Chiefs to swap spots and add a 3rd round pick. The Chiefs desperately want Berry and are worried that other teams are looking to get to 4 to take him. Redskins take Okung at 5.

Right now this is what I think they will do.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Washington will most likely take Trent Williams. Time to rebuild from the inside/out. I think Okung has slid some and Trent Williams is the pick.

 

[fatness]

# Teams to monitor that are interested in moving back in the draft: Redskins, Jaguars, Broncos, Dolphins. #nfldraft about 1 hour ago via web

# Teams to monitor that are interested in moving up in the draft: Giants, Titans, Packers, Steelers, Eagles, Chargers. #nfldraft about 1 hour ago via web

Adam Schefter

 

[fatness]

Washington will most likely take Trent Williams. Time to rebuild from the inside/out. I think Okung has slid some and Trent Williams is the pick.

Who or what are the Cowboys looking for in the draft this year?

 

[Dexter Manley]

Washington will most likely take Trent Williams. Time to rebuild from the inside/out. I think Okung has slid some and Trent Williams is the pick.

Who or what are the Cowboys looking for in the draft this year?

Their primary need is S. I'm hearing that they aren't willing to trade up far enough to grab Earl Thomas. JJ would reportedly cream himself if Dez Bryant falls far enough for them to get him.If Dez Bryant doesn't fall, look for them to try and trade down and grab Nate Allen, S out of USF.

 

[Sebowski]

Prediction time:Bradford, Suh, and McCoy go top three as expected. After a lot of talk about a lot of different things, nothing really happens in the top three picks. The Redskins then get the Chiefs to swap spots and add a 3rd round pick. The Chiefs desperately want Berry and are worried that other teams are looking to get to 4 to take him. Redskins take Okung at 5.

I'll play. Detroit takes Okung. Suh falls to us. Miami trades up to get him. We get their 1st, a 2nd.... Get O-Lineman at 11

 

[burgundy and gold]

With the 4th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select ..... ERIC BERRY!

(my prediction)

 

[burgundy and gold]

Wheeeeew!!! That's a relief. No trade up to #1! THANK YOU!!!

 

[nittanylion]

Live from Radio City Music Hall, it's your ol' pal, nittany...here to help out Cecil and Company with their Draft Coverage.

In front of me: Jay Glazer, FOX Sports.

To my left, running the show for DraftGuys.com and KKFN in Denver: Andrew Garda, aka: NoFBinLA...

...to my right...John Clayton, ESPN - and when I say 'to my', I mean literally 'to my'. I could have an 'inside voices conversation with any of them from where I'm sitting...

...which leads me to my next 'neighbor', and you'll all LOVE this...to John Clayton's immediate right...

...my eternal nemesis...

..Vinny.

It's a good thing (for me, and him, but mostly me) that they don't serve booze at this thing (but based on how I was able to breeze through security, it would have been feasible to have walked in with a keg in my luggage).

What to do, what to do...

 

[burgundy and gold]

Great! Okung will be there at 1.04!!! Now just hope the Skins don't screw this up!

 

[dgreen]

Punch Vinny.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Live from Radio City Music Hall, it's your ol' pal, nittany...here to help out Cecil and Company with their Draft Coverage.In front of me: Jay Glazer, FOX Sports.To my left, running the show for DraftGuys.com and KKFN in Denver: Andrew Garda, aka: NoFBinLA......to my right...John Clayton, ESPN - and when I say 'to my', I mean literally 'to my'. I could have an 'inside voices conversation with any of them from where I'm sitting......which leads me to my next 'neighbor', and you'll all LOVE this...to John Clayton's immediate right......my eternal nemesis.....Vinny.It's a good thing (for me, and him, but mostly me) that they don't serve booze at this thing (but based on how I was able to breeze through security, it would have been feasible to have walked in with a keg in my luggage).What to do, what to do...

Cool. Try not to deck Vinny willya.

 

[burgundy and gold]

TRENT WILLIAMS!!!! Kind of a surprise.

 

[dgreen]

TRENT WILLIAMS!!!! Kind of a surprise.

Not really a surprise. He's supposed to be the better fit for them.