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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

Solid pick. I think some teams are going to regret not picking Berry, but the Skins had a need and filled it.

Night over for Skins fans. My TV is already off.

 
Watching NFL network. Mariucci says the guy plays CENTER! as well. Also said he's very good at calling protections/reading defense.

And how about LaCanfira calling the pick. He seems to have some legit connections.

p.s.- nice bling

 
nittanylion said:
Live from Radio City Music Hall, it's your ol' pal, nittany...here to help out Cecil and Company with their Draft Coverage.In front of me: Jay Glazer, FOX Sports.To my left, running the show for DraftGuys.com and KKFN in Denver: Andrew Garda, aka: NoFBinLA......to my right...John Clayton, ESPN - and when I say 'to my', I mean literally 'to my'. I could have an 'inside voices conversation with any of them from where I'm sitting......which leads me to my next 'neighbor', and you'll all LOVE this...to John Clayton's immediate right......my eternal nemesis.....Vinny.It's a good thing (for me, and him, but mostly me) that they don't serve booze at this thing (but based on how I was able to breeze through security, it would have been feasible to have walked in with a keg in my luggage).What to do, what to do...
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please report back as to wtf is happening with the back of the Professor's head. hair weave? dreds? rat tail?
 
Trent Williams was a very good pick. Okung would have been also. :doh:

And Iwannabeacowboybaby! is a decent guy. I don't mind him posting here at all.

 
I like Williams, he's a huge improvement over what we've got and hopefully he can add some strength. I really hope we hold on to Big Al though, I think his absence from the D will hurt more than anything we get for him could help. I'm also psyched that the Giants didn't get Spiller or McLain, and that the eagles gave up all those picks to take an undersized pass rusher in Graham. Also happy that the eagles or cowboys didn't get Earl Thomas

 
buster c said:
just seems to be a gamble at a position where we need a sure thing
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I don't think it's a gamble. He and Okung were rated far above the other tackles this year. Okung is stronger; Williams is faster, more versatile, and they believe he can build up his strength. I think whichever one they chose they got a hell of a tackle.edit: The offensive line just got noticeably less bad.
 
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NickyHatton said:
I like Williams, he's a huge improvement over what we've got and hopefully he can add some strength. I really hope we hold on to Big Al though, I think his absence from the D will hurt more than anything we get for him could help. I'm also psyched that the Giants didn't get Spiller or McLain, and that the eagles gave up all those picks to take an undersized pass rusher in Graham. Also happy that the eagles or cowboys didn't get Earl Thomas
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fatness said:
buster c said:
just seems to be a gamble at a position where we need a sure thing
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I don't think it's a gamble. He and Okung were rated far above the other tackles this year. Okung is stronger; Williams is faster, more versatile, and they believe he can build up his strength. I think whichever one they chose they got a hell of a tackle.edit: The offensive line just got noticeably less bad.
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lol

 
buster c said:
nervousseems like a reach23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!bust potential here = 50%
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If Williams is athletic and versitile, he could always end up at a different position if LT does not work out. RT is also a glaring need for the team. And Rabach is no spring chicken. The Redskins need offensive linemen, and lots of them. Hopefully, Williams will be a great LT and the OL just got a whole lot better.
 
Marvelous said:
buster c said:
nervousseems like a reach23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!bust potential here = 50%
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If Williams is athletic and versitile, he could always end up at a different position if LT does not work out. RT is also a glaring need for the team. And Rabach is no spring chicken. The Redskins need offensive linemen, and lots of them. Hopefully, Williams will be a great LT and the OL just got a whole lot better.
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With the cash he's gonna get I sure as hell hope he plays a good LT for a while. If they have to play him at RT this year I'm ok with that, but we don't have anyone on the roster I'd feel good about playing there. Maybe Flozell or someone else who gets cut could be a stopgap in case that happens
 
buster c said:
fatness said:
buster c said:
nervous

seems like a reach

23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!

bust potential here = 50%
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He's Human Excrement! :lmao:
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look, I'm gonna start this new relationship with :wub: just seems to be a gamble at a position where we need a sure thing
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I have to admit that I wasn't jumping at the pick, but happy that finally we got a OL...let alone a LT. After reading this below, I felt better.
Not only is Williams the third Oklahoma lineman to go in the first round in the past 10 years, his former offensive coordinator says he could be the best of the group.

Davin Joseph and Jammal Brown have both gone on to Pro Bowl appearances, but Oklahoma's Kevin Wilson thinks Williams could be better than either.

"They were pretty good," Wilson said. "Trent, to me, is more talented. He has a lot of upside."

He says Williams is "just scratching the surface" of his potential.

"I don't think he's close to playing up to his talent level yet," Wilson said.

Wilson didn't anticipate Williams struggling to adapt to the Redskins' blocking scheme. In fact, Wilson said he and fellow Sooners' coaches visited Shanahan's team in Denver a couple of years ago to learn more about their zone-blocking scheme. When the coaches returned to Norman, Okla., they adopted some of the same principles Shanahan had used for years.
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John Keim article on Trent Williams, with plusses and minuses.

7. Williams is versatile -- he even played center for one game. The GM said he could play any spot along the line. Though he might be a risk -- Pro Football Weekly said he has bust potential in their draft guide -- he at least fills a gaping hole and he was not a reach. He was too talented to not go in the top 10.

8. His athleticism has drawn comparisons to another Shanahan draft pick, Ryan Clady. But the GM said there's a big difference. He said Clady was more of a true tackle, while he said Williams is more of a true guard. But his size and athleticism puts him on the edge.
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Watch the second round tonight. That's the pool of players from which we would have chosen 5th if the McNabb trade had not been made. Regardless of your feelings now about that trade, it makes sense to look at what we gave up (this year and next year) to see if it was worth it.

 
The Redskins didn't trade Albert Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Jason Campbell and all their draft picks in 2019 for Sam Bradford. The team that, for a decade, has lived to make headlines, even if it didn't always win games, did not trade up, trade down or stand on its head with the fourth overall pick in the NFL draft, either. Instead, at last, the Redskins acted like a well-run pro franchise, not a fantasy-league team operated by an impulsive marketing-driven owner and a general manager sidekick always eager to read the boss's preferences.

As 99 percent of the Washington metro area exhaled, the Redskins filled their most desperate need -- left tackle -- with 315-pound Trent "Silverback" Williams of Oklahoma, an exceptional physical talent who is remarkably graceful for an offensive lineman and capable of a 4.8-second 40-yard dash.

In doing so, they bypassed Russell Okung of Oklahoma State, who could lift more weight and had better college work habits and, perhaps, superior technique. But a tackle such as Williams, who looks agile enough to play tight end if there were a higher league than the NFL, screamed "more potential." So, the Redskins gambled on that promise.

"There are not many athletes who are 315 pounds and run a 4.8 40-yard [dash]," said Coach Mike Shanahan, addressing the media alone at a Redskins lectern that has, at times, been overcrowded at drafts. "A very agile offensive tackle is something we look for and is hard to find unless you have a first-round pick. You're looking for speed and quickness in a zone blocking scheme. Now we get to see if Trent can do it."

If not at left tackle, Williams also has played right tackle and center and, according to Shanahan, could be a guard, too. Why care about that? Because in the last 30 years, more than half of all linemen taken in the top five picks in the draft have never made even one Pro Bowl -- those NFL all-star games that more than 100 players make every year. So Williams's versatility increases the chances he will be a great player somewhere, though left tackle is certainly where the Redskins pray he ends up. "Trent is penciled in at left tackle" in the beginning, said Shanahan, who hopes that he will develop "as fast as a rookie as Ryan Clady did in Denver."
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Tom Boswell
After weeks of wild, but entertaining speculation that the Redskins might be the draft day "wild card," they simply did the boring but proper thing and made a tough decision between two fine offensive tackles.
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More Boswell:

How orderly. It's almost disorienting. Like writing about a team with a future. What a far cry from just two years ago when rookie coach Jim Zorn came out of the Redskins' "war room" looking like he'd just seen a ghost -- or perhaps the true shape of his future. Owner Daniel Snyder and ex-GM Vinny Cerrato crowed about how they'd used their three highest picks in the draft for three receivers -- almost a triplicate pick.

Why? Well, those were the three highest-ranked names on their board. And, gee, they'd worked so hard to make that board. They made it sound like they were really, really proud of their sixth-grade science project. Was Zorn just sent out for coffee when the Redskins were on the clock?
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It's sad, but :confused:
 
fatness said:
Watch the second round tonight. That's the pool of players from which we would have chosen 5th if the McNabb trade had not been made. Regardless of your feelings now about that trade, it makes sense to look at what we gave up (this year and next year) to see if it was worth it.
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Well, we would have taken a QB. So you tell me if you want Clausen, Tebow, McCoy OR McNabb. I like having my stock in a known commodity that can get us to the playoffs in 2 years. Those guys could all be bust or boom, and none of us knows which. We'll get a QB for the future in the next draft. McNabb gives us leadership this Offense hasn't had since...I guess all the way back to 2-3 good years of Mark Rypien.The only other logical pick might have been Taylor Mays, but then you are stuck with Campbell as your starter.
 
Mike Mayock

"I've said all along I think he's the guy that fits their zone scheme the best," Mayock said. "I love Russell Okung as a football player, but this is the most athletic offensive tackle in the draft. They run that zone scheme, that left tackle on the back side has got to get the cut-off block. He's the most athletic, explosive tackle in the draft. He's got long arms, he's a pass protector. The only knock on this kid coming out was off the field. Why was he not dominant against average players when he was dominant against excellent players? So they need more consistency of effort, but he's an immensely talented young man."
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Mel Kiper

"Trent Williams is arguably the most athletic offensive tackle to come out in recent memory," Kiper said. "Did he always play to that level of his talent? No he did not. And I think this is a gamble on greatness that you take this early, is can you motivate him?

Chris Foerster, the offensive line coach, is gonna be under the gun, under pressure to get the most out of Trent Williams. He was a right tackle when Phil Loadholt was the left tackle two years ago, that great year that Sam Bradford had with 50 touchdown passes. This year he moved to left tackle, did a solid job overall. Some quick pass rushers gave him a little trouble. Moved to center, started at center against Stanford.

"This is a kid, 6-4-and-a-half, 314 pounds, ran a 4.8 at the combine, 4.8. Vertical was 34-and-a-half inches. Now the problem is, only 23 reps [at 225 pounds]. He's got to get stronger, he's got to work harder in the offseason so he can maximize his ability come game day and come the regular season.
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Steve Mariucci

"We know that he's a talented guy, a big guy, an athletic guy for a left tackle, and that's where they would like him to play," Mariucci added. "But when we saw him play center in the bowl game, that says he's got to be a smart guy too. This guy's making calls, with protection, snapping regular, snapping shotgun. What a versatile offensive lineman. I don't know of anybody else who can play tackle and center."
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Dan Steinberg
 
Vinny Cerrato

Over on ESPN Radio, Vinny Cerrato made a final prediction: that the Redskins would take Russell Okung. John Clayton predicted the pick correctly, and then asked how it was that he knows more about the Redskins than Cerrato does. Unanswerable.

"I think they liked the athleticism of Trent Williams," Cerrato said after the pick was made. "He was outstanding at the combine, so I think running a West Coast offense, the zone stuff, I think they like the athleticism."

Maybe his future isn't in radio.
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:lmao:
 
So, as of April 23, here's what we're looking at.

Offense

QB - McNabb

RB - Portis

FB - Sellers

WR - Moss

WR - Thomas/Kelly

TE - Cooley/Davis

LT - T. Williams

LG - Dockery

C - Rabach

RG - M. Williams

RT - Hicks

Defense

DE - Daniels

NT - Haynesworth

DE - Carriker

OLB - Carter

OLB - Orakpo

ILB - Fletcher

ILB - McIntosh

CB - Hall

CB - Rogers

S - Landry

S - Horton/Doughty

 
fatness said:
dgreen said:
Defense

DE - Daniels

NT - Haynesworth

DE - Carriker

OLB - Carter

OLB - Orakpo

ILB - Fletcher

ILB - McIntosh

CB - Hall

CB - Rogers

S - Landry

S - Horton/Doughty
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Playing out of position; won't go well.
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:shrug: Orakpo will be out of position? He seems perfect for the 3-4 OLB as long as he's mostly staying out of coverage. Last year, Orakpo played 922 snaps and was in coverage 189 times. DeMarcus Ware played 1093 snaps and was in coverage 89 times. I think we'll see more of a Ware ratio for Orakpo this year. I've heard quotes about how they'll used Carter (assuming he's still on the team) and they mostly talked about keeping him out of coverage.

Also, I agree on Haynesworth only if they stick him at NT and play him only at NT. But, I don't think that's what they have planned. Haslett has said he sees him playing in mulitple spots on the line.

 
I think if 2 out of 4 of your linebackers can't pass cover that other teams will hit that weakness all game long. It's like playing 5 defensive linemen with 2 of them offset from the line of scrimmage. If Orakpo is in pass coverage 100 or 200 times, that doesn't mean he's doing it effectively. And I think it's safe to assume that Carter will be worse, since he has a history of doing badly at the position.

Those guys are just displaced defensive ends.

 
How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.

 
fatness said:
I think if 2 out of 4 of your linebackers can't pass cover that other teams will hit that weakness all game long. It's like playing 5 defensive linemen with 2 of them offset from the line of scrimmage. If Orakpo is in pass coverage 100 or 200 times, that doesn't mean he's doing it effectively. And I think it's safe to assume that Carter will be worse, since he has a history of doing badly at the position.Those guys are just displaced defensive ends.
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A) I'm not saying that Orakpo being in coverage that much means he's good at it. I'm saying he was in coverage very little last year as a 4-3 OLB. It will be even less as a 3-4 OLB.B) I agree they'll need one of their OLBs to be decent in coverage. I think there's more moves to come to handle that. Right now, having Carter and Orakpo as the two OLBs isn't good because they're basically the same guy. One of those positions needs to bring a different skill set.C) I don't agree that Orakpo is a displaced DE as a 3-4 OLB. I think he can be a Ware or Suggs type. Keep his coverage duties to small zone in the flat or right in the middle and he'll do ok there.
 
burgundy and gold said:
Silverback?!?
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...rback-williams/

The story behind Trent "Silverback" Williams

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 23, 2010 11:43 AM ET

History will note that the fifth pick of last night's draft was Trent "Silverback" Williams.

The moment was a surprise since we can't remember a nickname ever coming out of Commissioner Roger Goodell's lips, much less one already accounted for.

Trent Williams explained how the announcement came about to Rick Maese of the Washington Post. (Thanks to Brian McCarthy for the heads up.)

The nickname was given to Williams by his teammates in college because Williams is a "beast" on the field. Williams mentioned it to Goodell the other day.

"We had a meeting with him in the office and I was just joking around with him. It was kind of quiet and I just wanted to throw a little joke in. He asked me, did I want him to do it? I said, 'Go ahead.' I really didn't think he would."

We liked it. There's no reason why the reading of picks should be a solemn occasion.

Pete Rozelle, always cracking up at the reaction of Jets and Giants fans, knew that well.
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Brunell4MVP said:
How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.
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OK, we need to draft as many of these guys as we can because of their names. Seriously. And I agree with you, my choice would be Wang. Imagine a sweep to the right and the announcer pointing out that a defender was "flattened by Wang."

These things are important.

 
fatness said:
Brunell4MVP said:
How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.
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OK, we need to draft as many of these guys as we can because of their names. Seriously. And I agree with you, my choice would be Wang. Imagine a sweep to the right and the announcer pointing out that a defender was "flattened by Wang."

These things are important.
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"Wang was giving him the business".Either way I agree with this post

 
NickyHatton said:
fatness said:
Brunell4MVP said:
How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.
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OK, we need to draft as many of these guys as we can because of their names. Seriously. And I agree with you, my choice would be Wang. Imagine a sweep to the right and the announcer pointing out that a defender was "flattened by Wang."

These things are important.
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"Wang was giving him the business".Either way I agree with this post
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That's gonna cost them ten yards Jim. They obviously were grabbing Wang and tugging on him there.
 
NickyHatton said:
fatness said:
Brunell4MVP said:
How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.
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OK, we need to draft as many of these guys as we can because of their names. Seriously. And I agree with you, my choice would be Wang. Imagine a sweep to the right and the announcer pointing out that a defender was "flattened by Wang."

These things are important.
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"Wang was giving him the business".Either way I agree with this post
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or a 15 yard :lmao: on 'Wang with a blow to the head'
 
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