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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter ChrisCooleyFan
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Well at least last year's "cancers" are off the team now. Let the Andrew Luck sweepstakes begin!
Sidewinder16
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Sidewinder16
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And, the McNabb trade is official.
And, training camp starts today (now, in fact; players starting to arrive at facility).
And, training camp starts today (now, in fact; players starting to arrive at facility).
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Sidewinder16
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Casey Rabach told he will be released.
Sidewinder16
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Evan Royster is signed.
Sidewinder16
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Yep, just saw that, too. Keim tweeting that Aldrick Robinson has agreed, as well.
TobiasFunke
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It's going to be fascinating to see how the media is able to portray him as a good guy and a team player now that he's a Patriot. It's a tall task, but I think they've got enough practice cupping Belichek's junk by now to pull it off.
Sidewinder16
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RBs Chad Simpson and Andre Brown will be released.
Sidewinder16
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Grant Paulsen tweet:
Sidewinder16
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The word is now that Brandon Stokely will not be signing w/ the 'Skins.
Sidewinder16
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The release of Rabach and the trades of McNabb and Haynesworth have to free up a good bit of cap space. Cullen Jenkins and Nnamdi Asomugha are still out there, as well as a couple decent OL.
I agree it's probably the stupidest Redskins trade. There are other contenders though:2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor
3rd for TJ Duckett
4th for Trung Canidate
2nd + Bailey for Portis
And there was almost 2 firsts for OchoCinco. That would have been the winner. Vinnie tried to win this competition but amazingly he did not.
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Sidewinder16
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Also, Sam Paulescu will be released.
VaTerp
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So frustrating to see well run organizations like NE and Philly continue to get good value while the Skins are well... the Skins. Philly is about to get a pro bowl caliber CB and likely a first day draft pick for their backup QB while we just traded away two players who cost over $40 million in cap space and 2nd and 4th round picks. Those picks and $$$ could have been used for true building blocks for this team but instead we get about a combined year's worth of mediocre production, a 6th rounder this year, and a 5th TWO YEARS from now.
The McNabb and Haynesworth situations are much more of an indictment on how poorly this organization is run than it is on either player IMO. Sorry to be so negative but despite doing what it had to do to get rid of these two players/situations, these are situations they brought upon themselves more than anything. Still do not see a clear vision or plan for this organization moving forward.
The McNabb and Haynesworth situations are much more of an indictment on how poorly this organization is run than it is on either player IMO. Sorry to be so negative but despite doing what it had to do to get rid of these two players/situations, these are situations they brought upon themselves more than anything. Still do not see a clear vision or plan for this organization moving forward.
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dgreen
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Sidewinder16
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If he's right, he probably should be. He first tweeted that Jenkins to Washington would be a done deal yesterday afternoon. He says he has a source. Who is that guy ("Mr. Fox"), anyway?
Sidewinder16
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If Cullen Jenkins signs, I think Coefield plays DE (ETA: in base 3-4).
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dgreen
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Based on his picture and having 94 in his name (@sugewhite94; possible jersey number), I'm guessing he was a player on some level at some point.
Sidewinder16
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Phillip Daniels released.
Sidewinder16
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Oops. My bad. Looks like he played DE in Green Bay's 3-4. I thought he was a NTAnd NFL.com has Jenkins @ 305, which is basically the same as Coefield.
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Sidewinder16
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Kemo released.
dgreen
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PFR lists Cofield as a NT in 2008, despite being in NYG's 4-3. He apparently played NT in college and, from what I've heard, lined up like a NT a lot even while in the 4-3. He took on NT duties despite being a 4-3 DT.Hopefully Nield (listed around 320) can provide some quality snaps in situations where more size is needed.
dgreen
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Sidewinder16
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Lorenzo Alexander has been working at ILB this off season, too.
Sidewinder16
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Niles Paul agrees to contract and Roydell Williams cut.
Didn't Joe Gibbs 2.0 make the decision on all of those trades, aided and abetted by Vinny?
dgreen
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No. Gibbs was Duckett and Portis. Taylor was with Zorn and Canidate was with Spurrier. The rumored Ocho Cinco offer was also under Zorn.
If we are voting, I think the Jason Taylor trade was the worst. Taylor never had the right skills to fit into the Redskins defense. I would claim McNabb had a chance to work if he could learn the offense.Brandon Lloyd for a 3rd and 4th plus signing him to a huge contract should be way up there on the list. I read the 49ers front office were laughing their heads off when they completed that trade.
The offseason moves always look good on paper.Overall, I like what they've done the last couple days. Of course, I think I say that every offseason.
Oh man, I forgot about Brandon Lloyd. 2006 was a good year, we also got Archuleta and Randle-El that year...
Aside from acquiring Lloyd, the Redskins were also busy treating free agent wide receiver Antwaan Randle-El, safety Adam Archuleta, defensive end Andre Carter, and quarterback Todd Collins to dinner and dream seats at last night’s Wizards-Pistons game. http://www.thehogs.net/content/index.php?id=666
Dexter Manley
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I agree that Taylor was easily the worst. The Skins panicked and overpaid for Taylor who had no business playing LDE in their scheme.I also agree that the Lloyd trade was the second worst deal.
I think a lot of people are completely overreacting to how bad the McNabb trade actually was. Was it a bad trade? Sure. But it was far from devastating. I've asked this before and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what great player the Skins would of gotten in the 2nd round last year had they kept the pick instead of trading it for McNabb. And with the crafty draft day maneuvering this year, they recouped the 4th rounder they also spent for McNabb.
The bottom line is they took a shot at fixing their qb problem with McNabb, who apparently didn't fit what Kyle Shanahan wanted to do with his offense, and they whiffed. It seems like they learned from their mistake, Shanny and son not being on the same page about the qb, cut their losses, and have moved on.
This is actually a significant positive change from how the organization has been previously run. For example, had Vinnie C. still been running things and made the McNabb trade, I don't think he would have already cut his losses and moved on. Rather, he would have compounded his mistake by foolishly holding onto McNabb and hoping it would somehow magically work out in the future.
Finally, let's look at the bright side. McNabb and cancer Haynesworth are both gone, the Skins got draft picks in return for each of them, despite all the critics claiming they wouldn't be able to trade either of these guys, and they were also able to keep Haynesworth out of Philly.
And the Skins have actually started stockpiling future draft picks. Not only do the Skins have all their picks next year for the first time in seemingly forever, but they also have the Raider's 4th and the Viking's 6th. In 2013 they have all their picks along with NE's 5th and possibly the Viking's 6th.
Sidewinder16
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Neild, Gomes and White have also signed, now.Someone tweeted that Kerrigan left the building, so no contract there yet. May need a few other 1st rounders to sign before exact numbers can be agreed on.
southeastjerome
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Seems like an awful lot of coin to secure Bowen.
Sidewinder16
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That's what I thought, too, at first. But it should be significantly less than what Jenkins will pull down, and as Rich Campbell tweeted, Bowen is 3 years younger. I'm not sure it's all that horrible.
Dexter Manley
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So does the Bowen signing mean they're done with pursuing Jenkins?
southeastjerome
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True, but how much more? Jenkins is a better player imo, but like you said at least Bowen is younger. Reading some rumors on twitter that the agent for Jenkins has been stringing them along, constantly bringing them offers from other teams and asking them to beat em. Finally the skins had a handshake deal with the agent, then he went out again and asked them to beat another deal and then they told him to pound sand and then signed Bowen. Again, just banter I am picking up from twitter, mostly from ES moles. At this point, Jenkins would be nice, but I don't want to break the bank. Too many other positions to address, (interior olineman, OT and CB) to pour a boatload into a DE.
dgreen
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I read similar rumors.
