***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Marvelous]

I see little merit in comparing the accomplishments Schaub and Kyle had together with their accomplishments apart when they aren't all even close to similar situations.

My point is that Schaub is doing fine without Kyle, and Kyle is not doing fine without Schaub.Schaub

wow, pretty ballsy to post a link that shows Schaub's numbers regressing after Kyle left HTN. not the best way to prove your point

Those numbers also show a big jump in Schaubs production in 2007 when Kyle was the qb coach, and another big jump in 2008 when Kyle become the OC. Remember, in 2008 adn 2009, Houston had one of the top offenses in the NFL and Kyle was generally considered a big part of it.

 

[Marvelous]

I see little merit in comparing the accomplishments Schaub and Kyle had together with their accomplishments apart when they aren't all even close to similar situations.

My point is that Schaub is doing fine without Kyle, and Kyle is not doing fine without Schaub.Schaub

wow, pretty ballsy to post a link that shows Schaub's numbers regressing after Kyle left HTN. not the best way to prove your point

Schaub's numbers haven't declined that much at all. Not too the point that I would give Kyle credit for Schaub and Johnson's success. I would give more credit to the rise of Foster rather than Kyle's departure.I'd just like to hear what Kyle brings to the table. So far all I have seen is an unwillingness to adapt his system to fit the players he has. That's typically not something good coaches do.

According to NFL.com, Shaub currently has the 7th highest passer rating in the league, after: Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Stafford and Fitzpatrick. He's completing 60% of his passes and has thrown 13 TDs vs. 5 Interceptions. As to why his numbers are "down," has anyone considered the fact that Andre Johnson has missed multiple games due to injury?

I think, all things considered, Shaub is in fact doing fine without Kyle Shanahan. I'm not saying I "hate Kyle" or that "he ought to be fired," but the times of living off of past reputation are done. He needs to show something now.

And yes, good coaches DO change their offensive and defensive schemes to fit the players. Perfect example: In San Francisco, apparently Harbaugh came in and changed the offense to fit Alex Smith's strengths. Lo and behold, Smith is playing well this year and the 49ers look like a vastly improved team.

I am tired of hearing about the "scheme." The scheme is not the star. The scheme should match your talent. If you want to slowly get players to match your scheme, fine, do that. But in the meantime, you have to adjust so you are working toward your scheme incrementally.

I think the coaching staff should be given beyond this year to fix things, but seriously, they need to adopt the same kind of personally accountable attitude that they demand from their players. If a player like Haynesworth or McNabb is dug in and refuses to change, even if they are floundering, they should be held accountable. But the same is true for a coach. It's fine to want everyone to be patient and wait for your scheme to work, but it's also ok with fans and ownership to expect to see some kind of incremental improvement along the way. Defensively, I still think we have that...offensively, I just do not see it.

I am apparently in the minority here, but I beleive in Kyle Shanahan. Prior to Kyle, the offensive playcalling for the Redskins was inept at best. Zorn was a disaster. Al Sauders never looked that good. Gibbs tried to bring back an offense from the 1980s. Steve Spurrier was out of his league. The playcalling under Marty looked ok, but he was sorely lacking in personnel (sounds familiar). You have to go back to Norv Turner as the last decent offensive playcaller for the Redskins.This offense looked decent early in the season and at time last year under Grossman. And the talent level is very lacking still. The Shanahans is the best we have had in a long time (and I do believe Mike is very heavily involved in the offense). We need to stick with it and get some better players. Depth takes a few years to build up and we don't have it yet.

 

[dhockster]

I have one theory about Mike Shanahan and his offensive success. From 1995-2005 The Broncos under Shanahan ranked in the top 10 in offense 9 times in 11 years. Even without John Elway and Terrell Davis, from 2002 to 2005, they were in the top ten 4 times, leading the league in yardage 3 straight years. Then a funny thing happened. Gary Kubiak, who had been Shanahan's OC for those 11 years, left. From 2006 to 2008, the Broncos offense was ranked in the top ten only 1 out of the 3 years in yardage and never was ranked above 16th in points scored.

Houston, under Kubiak, has developed into a very good offensive team. It is interesting that Kyle Shanahan had his success as OC under Kubiak. Houston has continued to be productive, as someone else pointed out above, without Kyle. Both Mike and Kyle's offensive numbers without Gary Kubiak standing next to them are far less then they were with him.

I give Kubiak a lot of grief as a head coach, but as an offensive coach, he does very well. It will be interesting to see if the Shanahan's can build a successful offense without the aid of Gary Kubiak.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I've been critical of Kyle Shanahan's playcalling, but I find it laughable that people here actually think he's the primary reason the offense is struggling. As others have stated, look at what the Houston offense did before and after he got there. And Houston is running the same exact system (with the same personnel) this year as they were when he was there. Why would there be a significant dropoff or bump just because he left?

The #1 reason Kyle's system is so successful in Houston is the #1 reason the Redskins offense stinks right now. It's not mainly about having Schaub, AJ, and Foster vs. Beck, Gaffney, and Torain (although having the former trio helps). It's about Houston having arguably the best offensive line in the league and the Redskins very likely having the worst OL in the league right now.

If you've been paying attention, Houston's receiving core isn't any better than Washington's when AJ is out of the lineup. And Foster isn't an elite talent (imo). Yet their offense is still very productive right now. Why? Because they have a great oline.

Washington started the year with an average starting oline and terrible depth behind them. It's no coincidence that the offense took a significant nosedive once the left side of the oline went out in the Philly game.

Unfortunately, building a very good oline generally takes longer than building any other position group. Until the Skins develop a good starting oline with decent depth (which is going to take at least the next 2 drafts and FA classes imo) this offense isn't going to be very good no matter who the OC is.

The bottom line is you could choose any OC in the history of the nfl to replace Kyle with, and the offense still wouldn't be very productive right now.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I have one theory about Mike Shanahan and his offensive success. From 1995-2005 The Broncos under Shanahan ranked in the top 10 in offense 9 times in 11 years. Even without John Elway and Terrell Davis, from 2002 to 2005, they were in the top ten 4 times, leading the league in yardage 3 straight years. Then a funny thing happened. Gary Kubiak, who had been Shanahan's OC for those 11 years, left. From 2006 to 2008, the Broncos offense was ranked in the top ten only 1 out of the 3 years in yardage and never was ranked above 16th in points scored.Houston, under Kubiak, has developed into a very good offensive team. It is interesting that Kyle Shanahan had his success as OC under Kubiak. Houston has continued to be productive, as someone else pointed out above, without Kyle. Both Mike and Kyle's offensive numbers without Gary Kubiak standing next to them are far less then they were with him.I give Kubiak a lot of grief as a head coach, but as an offensive coach, he does very well. It will be interesting to see if the Shanahan's can build a successful offense without the aid of Gary Kubiak.

I don't completely discount that theory (I simply don't think there's enough hard evidence to fully stand behind it), but one monkey wrench in it is that it's hard to separate the offensive success Kubiak has seen in Houston from the emergence of Schaub and Kyle. I imagine the OL steadily improved, as well.In Kubiak's first year ('06), the Houston offense was at least as bad as it was prior to Kubiak, but you'd certainly expect that with a new coach/system and with David Carr as your QB and Ron Dayne as your RB. The following year ('07), the offense takes a big step forward, at least in terms of relative production, but that also coincides with the arrival of Schaub and Kyle moving to QB coach. The next season ('08) sees Houston's offense take another big step forward, which also coincides w/ Schaub having a season of experience in the new system and Kyle's move to OC. Finally, in '09, Houston leads the league in passing yards and is #5 in passing TDs, but that's also the season that Kubiak handed over play calling duties to Kyle.So, I'm not ready to believe it was all Kubiak. It seems more like having a good HC, a good OC, a good QB and a good OL goes a long way towards providing offensive success. We know for a fact that the 'Skins don't have two of those (QB and OL) but there is plenty of evidence to believe they have the other two (HC and OC).

 

[dhockster]

A couple of question about the Redskins offense. Are they developing the same zone blocking scheme that Shanahan used in Denver and that Kyle worked with in Houston? If so, who is the Oline coach who is implementing it? Has he run it before and had success with it?

 

[dhockster]

I have one theory about Mike Shanahan and his offensive success. From 1995-2005 The Broncos under Shanahan ranked in the top 10 in offense 9 times in 11 years. Even without John Elway and Terrell Davis, from 2002 to 2005, they were in the top ten 4 times, leading the league in yardage 3 straight years. Then a funny thing happened. Gary Kubiak, who had been Shanahan's OC for those 11 years, left. From 2006 to 2008, the Broncos offense was ranked in the top ten only 1 out of the 3 years in yardage and never was ranked above 16th in points scored.Houston, under Kubiak, has developed into a very good offensive team. It is interesting that Kyle Shanahan had his success as OC under Kubiak. Houston has continued to be productive, as someone else pointed out above, without Kyle. Both Mike and Kyle's offensive numbers without Gary Kubiak standing next to them are far less then they were with him.I give Kubiak a lot of grief as a head coach, but as an offensive coach, he does very well. It will be interesting to see if the Shanahan's can build a successful offense without the aid of Gary Kubiak.

I don't completely discount that theory (I simply don't think there's enough hard evidence to fully stand behind it), but one monkey wrench in it is that it's hard to separate the offensive success Kubiak has seen in Houston from the emergence of Schaub and Kyle. I imagine the OL steadily improved, as well.In Kubiak's first year ('06), the Houston offense was at least as bad as it was prior to Kubiak, but you'd certainly expect that with a new coach/system and with David Carr as your QB and Ron Dayne as your RB. The following year ('07), the offense takes a big step forward, at least in terms of relative production, but that also coincides with the arrival of Schaub and Kyle moving to QB coach. The next season ('08) sees Houston's offense take another big step forward, which also coincides w/ Schaub having a season of experience in the new system and Kyle's move to OC. Finally, in '09, Houston leads the league in passing yards and is #5 in passing TDs, but that's also the season that Kubiak handed over play calling duties to Kyle.So, I'm not ready to believe it was all Kubiak. It seems more like having a good HC, a good OC, a good QB and a good OL goes a long way towards providing offensive success. We know for a fact that the 'Skins don't have two of those (QB and OL) but there is plenty of evidence to believe they have the other two (HC and OC).

I agree that it is too early to say conclusively who's more responsible for the offensive success of the teams that these guys have coached. I think it is also really hard to say whether Kyle is or will be a good OC. I say that simply because it is hard to judge how much of what he has done under Kubiak and his dad are his decisions and how many are theirs. They are both former OC's who still have major input into how the offense works. We would know a lot more if Kyle was OC for a team that had a defensive minded head coach.The other thing I wonder about Kyle from an OC standpoint is how well does he relate to the players. To Kubiaks credit as an OC (and to his detriment as a Head Coach) he is very relational with his players. I remember hearing an interview with Rod Smith about how Kubiak stuck with him through some hard times and helped him develop into the great receiver he was. He is very loyal and I think that is a great trait of a coordinator because they don't make the decisions on what players to let go. The head coach does. That is why I think Kubiak fails sometimes as a head coach because he sticks with guys too long hoping they can turn things around.The only thing I know about Kyle and how he relates to his players is that he didn't particularly get along with McNabb and that situation did not end well. I know that is a very small sample size so I am not drawing any conclusions. It is just something else to consider.

 

[Sebowski]

I've been pretty pessimistic about this year (and last), but I think we will beat the overrated 49ers this week.

Who's with me?

 

[thayman]

I've been pretty pessimistic about this year (and last), but I think we will beat the overrated 49ers this week. Who's with me?

With the current patchwork OLine I don't see them beating anyone. It is what it is, there was only a few people in the offseason thread predicting records north of .500. So far the season has been close to what I expected. They need a few more playmakers and I would like to see them fight and gut out the season, that should say alot about the character of the team.

 

[Sidewinder16]

A couple of question about the Redskins offense. Are they developing the same zone blocking scheme that Shanahan used in Denver and that Kyle worked with in Houston? If so, who is the Oline coach who is implementing it? Has he run it before and had success with it?

Yes, the 'Skins use Shanahan's zone blocking scheme and Chris Foerster is their OL coach. I'm not sure what his experience with the ZBS was before coming to Washington, although it doesn't look like much. He bounced around a lot spending a little time each with San Fran (OL), Baltimore (OL), Miami (OC; 1 season), Indianapolis (TE), Tampa Bay (OL) and Minnesota (OL/TE) going back to '93. I have a sneaking suspicion (aka, I have almost nothing concrete to base this on) that the Shanahan's do most of the scheme coaching, while Foerster helps out with individual player skills/technique.Shanahan also brought Bobby Turner over from Denver. I imagine he could help coach the ZBS to some extent, too.

 

[Sebowski]

I've been pretty pessimistic about this year (and last), but I think we will beat the overrated 49ers this week. Who's with me?

With the current patchwork OLine I don't see them beating anyone. It is what it is, there was only a few people in the offseason thread predicting records north of .500. So far the season has been close to what I expected. They need a few more playmakers and I would like to see them fight and gut out the season, that should say alot about the character of the team.

I predicted 4-12, I'm just really really not sold on the 49ers. They were one if the 4 wins I thought of, and I'm sticking with it.

 

[dgreen]

I can only think of one thing the Redskins have going for them this weekend: The infamous WC team going on the road to the EC for a 1 PM game.

 

[Dexter Manley]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/kyle-shanahan-shutout-vs-buffalo-was-embarrassing/2011/11/03/gIQAxbiVkM_blog.html

Kyle Shanahan: Shutout vs. Buffalo was ‘embarrassing’’

By Mike Jones

Speaking to the media on Thursday for the first time since Sunday’s 23-0 blanking by the Buffalo Bills, Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan described himself as embarrassed over the shutout, said his unit has missed numerous opportunities for big plays and that he and his offensive players must redeem themselves this week.

The Redskins on Sunday mustered only 178 yards, surrendered 10 sacks and didn’t score a single point, giving Mike Shanahan the first shutout of his coaching career (head coach or assistant, pro or college) and subjected both father and son to heightened scrutiny.

The younger Shanahan, who spent two seasons directing Houston’s offense, which ranked third in the NFL in 2008 and fourth overall in 2009, said the criticism over Washington’s ineffectiveness hasn’t fazed him.

“That’s life. Any time you get shut out, I expect to get criticized,” Shanahan said. “ I expect it from you guys, I expect it from my wife and I expect it from myself. It’s embarrassing. I’ve never been shutout before and I don’t want it to ever happen again. But it is what it is and you’ve got to man up and deal with it.

“Really, what matters to me is whether the players believe in me or not – that’s really what it all comes down to. If the players have confidence in you and they believe in what you’re doing, then you have a chance. I believe in these guys and I think they believe in me and we just have to go to work.”

Shanahan said the day after Washington fell to Buffalo, he led his unit through a film session in which he pointed out 25 plays in Sunday’s game alone in which opportunities for big plays were missed.

“We put 25 clips together where we had a lot of opportunities. We just didn’t get it done,” Shanahan said. “I know I’m disappointed and I know they are too. We’ve got to come back and redeem our self here on Sunday.”

But Sunday’s game won’t feature a small task for Shanahan and the offense. Paying the Redskins a visit on Sunday are the San Francisco 49ers, who have limited opponents to a league-leading 15.3 points a game while yielding only 73.4 rushing yards per outing, which also ranks first in the NFL.

“They’ve got a really good front seven,” the offensive coordinator said. “They’re talented. They have a tough scheme with that 3-4. It’s similar to our defense. They’ve got some good players and, schematically, [they’re] very sound.”

 

[dhockster]

A couple of question about the Redskins offense. Are they developing the same zone blocking scheme that Shanahan used in Denver and that Kyle worked with in Houston? If so, who is the Oline coach who is implementing it? Has he run it before and had success with it?

Yes, the 'Skins use Shanahan's zone blocking scheme and Chris Foerster is their OL coach. I'm not sure what his experience with the ZBS was before coming to Washington, although it doesn't look like much. He bounced around a lot spending a little time each with San Fran (OL), Baltimore (OL), Miami (OC; 1 season), Indianapolis (TE), Tampa Bay (OL) and Minnesota (OL/TE) going back to '93. I have a sneaking suspicion (aka, I have almost nothing concrete to base this on) that the Shanahan's do most of the scheme coaching, while Foerster helps out with individual player skills/technique.Shanahan also brought Bobby Turner over from Denver. I imagine he could help coach the ZBS to some extent, too.

Thanks for the info. The only reason I ask is because Kubiak brought Alex Gibbs, who he had worked with in Denver, in from 2008 to 2009 to help coach the Oline. I don't think that it is a coincidence that the offense and the offensive line took a step forward in 2008. I wonder if Washington's line will develop the same way without a zone blocking "guru" like Gibbs coming in and helping. Not saying it won't, just throwing out something to consider because, as you pointed out above, a lot of the success of this style of offense has to do with the performance of the offensive line.

 

[thayman]

I can only think of one thing the Redskins have going for them this weekend: The infamous WC team going on the road to the EC for a 1 PM game.

They have won at Phlly at Cinci and at Detroit so far this year

 

[dgreen]

I can only think of one thing the Redskins have going for them this weekend: The infamous WC team going on the road to the EC for a 1 PM game.

They have won at Phlly at Cinci and at Detroit so far this year

So you're saying they're DUE for a EC loss!!!

 

[fatness]

Those numbers also show a big jump in Schaubs production in 2007 when Kyle was the qb coach, and another big jump in 2008 when Kyle become the OC. Remember, in 2008 and 2009, Houston had one of the top offenses in the NFL and Kyle was generally considered a big part of it.

Combine Schaub's numbers for 2008 and 2009. Now combine his numbers for 2010 and what they'll be (projected) for 2011. He's done the same without Kyle as with Kyle. Texans total offense by year

2011: 6328 projected

2010: 6186

2009: 6129

2008: 6113

They've improved slightly without Kyle Shanahan.

Houston, under Kubiak, has developed into a very good offensive team. It is interesting that Kyle Shanahan had his success as OC under Kubiak. Houston has continued to be productive, as someone else pointed out above, without Kyle. Both Mike and Kyle's offensive numbers without Gary Kubiak standing next to them are far less then they were with him.

 

[fatness]

Unfortunately, building a very good oline generally takes longer than building any other position group. Until the Skins develop a good starting oline with decent depth (which is going to take at least the next 2 drafts and FA classes imo) this offense isn't going to be very good no matter who the OC is.

Good thing the Redskins started addressing this problem so aggressively 2 years ago.

 

[dcgangstas]

Any offensive line that has Sean Locklear as a starter is clearly a pathetic o-line.

You might as well have Heather Locklear on the line.

 

[Marvelous]

Any offensive line that has Sean Locklear as a starter is clearly a pathetic o-line. You might as well have Heather Locklear on the line.

I'd be watching every snap really closely.

 

[Marvelous]

PFT reporting that Peyton Hillis may be available in the offseason or earlier:

Report: Browns are prepared to move on from HillisPosted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2011, 10:51 AM EDT Browns have had enough of Peyton Hillis.That’s the latest report in this bizarre saga, courtesy of Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Cabot says that the Browns are prepared to let Hillis leave via free agency when his contract expires after the 2011 season.“It’s one thing after another, and what’s been out there isn’t even the half of it,” an unnamed source told Cabot.Quarterback Seneca Wallace confirmed to Cabot the recent report from Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that players have grown weary of Hillis’ antics. Among other things, his decision to try to throw footballs off the crossbar prior to the game against the 49ers rubbed other players the wrong way. “Yes, it did get on some people’s nerves that he was throwing balls when he was injured,” Wallace said. “But at the end of the day, it’s his last name on the back of his jersey, and he has to decide how he wants to represent himself.”Wallace also confirmed that players were miffed that Hillis abruptly went to Arkansas to get married instead of receiving treatment on his hamstring. “Of course we’re going to be a little upset if Peyton’s not in there getting his treatment,” Wallace said. “We’re a team, and we rely on each other. But if he felt he wanted to go get married that day, that’s his business. You never really know what a person is going through. You don’t know what type of influences a person might have. I don’t know the stuff that Peyton has going on in his life.”Previously, the Browns seemed to be prepared to let Hillis test the market in free agency, with the goal of letting him see that a single season of 1,177 yards rushing and the presence of his face on the cover of the Madden video game doesn’t equate to $20 million in guaranteed money. But if the Browns had been willing to sign him once he realized that veteran running backs who aren’t among the very best in the business don’t get big contracts, the Browns apparently aren’t now.The next question becomes whether the Browns will decide to let him test the market in 2011, by cutting him.

 

[thayman]

PFT reporting that Peyton Hillis may be available in the offseason or earlier:

Report: Browns are prepared to move on from HillisPosted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2011, 10:51 AM EDT Browns have had enough of Peyton Hillis.That’s the latest report in this bizarre saga, courtesy of Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Cabot says that the Browns are prepared to let Hillis leave via free agency when his contract expires after the 2011 season.“It’s one thing after another, and what’s been out there isn’t even the half of it,” an unnamed source told Cabot.Quarterback Seneca Wallace confirmed to Cabot the recent report from Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that players have grown weary of Hillis’ antics. Among other things, his decision to try to throw footballs off the crossbar prior to the game against the 49ers rubbed other players the wrong way. “Yes, it did get on some people’s nerves that he was throwing balls when he was injured,” Wallace said. “But at the end of the day, it’s his last name on the back of his jersey, and he has to decide how he wants to represent himself.”Wallace also confirmed that players were miffed that Hillis abruptly went to Arkansas to get married instead of receiving treatment on his hamstring. “Of course we’re going to be a little upset if Peyton’s not in there getting his treatment,” Wallace said. “We’re a team, and we rely on each other. But if he felt he wanted to go get married that day, that’s his business. You never really know what a person is going through. You don’t know what type of influences a person might have. I don’t know the stuff that Peyton has going on in his life.”Previously, the Browns seemed to be prepared to let Hillis test the market in free agency, with the goal of letting him see that a single season of 1,177 yards rushing and the presence of his face on the cover of the Madden video game doesn’t equate to $20 million in guaranteed money. But if the Browns had been willing to sign him once he realized that veteran running backs who aren’t among the very best in the business don’t get big contracts, the Browns apparently aren’t now.The next question becomes whether the Browns will decide to let him test the market in 2011, by cutting him.

I would only have moderate interest in Hillis. In the NFL things are moving so that a veteran high priced Free Agent RB is not the way to go.

 

[fatness]

Buchanon goes on injured reserve

Crap. A thin secondary gets thinner.

 

[fatness]

Any offensive line that has Sean Locklear as a starter is clearly a pathetic o-line. You might as well have Heather Locklear on the line.

Locklear was pretty bad in the preseason and has been pretty bad during the season so he's consistent. The left side of the O-line has been a wreck since the injuries to Williams and Lichtensteiger (who had been playing better this year, I have to give him credit for that). I still wish they'd move Montgomery back to center and have him, Chester, and Brown at their normal positions and just 2 bad spots on the left instead of 3 now (Montgomery isn't real good at guard).

 

[fatness]

This is the game when either the horror of eight meaningless games is confirmed or a new spark of hope is discovered.

Rick Snider, being a bit melodramatic. His main worry is Snyder getting re-involved in making coaching/personnel decisions. I hope that never happens. If drastic changes are warranted I'd rather see Mike Shanahan making them than Dan Snyder.

 

[Marvelous]

PFT reporting that Peyton Hillis may be available in the offseason or earlier:

Report: Browns are prepared to move on from HillisPosted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2011, 10:51 AM EDT Browns have had enough of Peyton Hillis.That’s the latest report in this bizarre saga, courtesy of Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Cabot says that the Browns are prepared to let Hillis leave via free agency when his contract expires after the 2011 season.“It’s one thing after another, and what’s been out there isn’t even the half of it,” an unnamed source told Cabot.Quarterback Seneca Wallace confirmed to Cabot the recent report from Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that players have grown weary of Hillis’ antics. Among other things, his decision to try to throw footballs off the crossbar prior to the game against the 49ers rubbed other players the wrong way. “Yes, it did get on some people’s nerves that he was throwing balls when he was injured,” Wallace said. “But at the end of the day, it’s his last name on the back of his jersey, and he has to decide how he wants to represent himself.”Wallace also confirmed that players were miffed that Hillis abruptly went to Arkansas to get married instead of receiving treatment on his hamstring. “Of course we’re going to be a little upset if Peyton’s not in there getting his treatment,” Wallace said. “We’re a team, and we rely on each other. But if he felt he wanted to go get married that day, that’s his business. You never really know what a person is going through. You don’t know what type of influences a person might have. I don’t know the stuff that Peyton has going on in his life.”Previously, the Browns seemed to be prepared to let Hillis test the market in free agency, with the goal of letting him see that a single season of 1,177 yards rushing and the presence of his face on the cover of the Madden video game doesn’t equate to $20 million in guaranteed money. But if the Browns had been willing to sign him once he realized that veteran running backs who aren’t among the very best in the business don’t get big contracts, the Browns apparently aren’t now.The next question becomes whether the Browns will decide to let him test the market in 2011, by cutting him.

I would only have moderate interest in Hillis. In the NFL things are moving so that a veteran high priced Free Agent RB is not the way to go.

Hillis may not be that expensive. He has had one good season and one crappy one in Cleveland. And many now think of him as a problem child. And he was one of Shanahan's running backs in Denver. Shanahan usually goes with young running backs, so he probably won't go after Hillis.

 

[Marvelous]

Buchanon goes on injured reserve

Crap. A thin secondary gets thinner.

I thought the Redskins could have put in a waiver claim on Legih Bodden. Given that no one did, I suspect he did some stuff so that no one wants him.

 

[fatness]

Buchanon goes on injured reserve

Crap. A thin secondary gets thinner.

Atogwe is out today.

 

[fatness]

There's a report that Helu is starting today.

 

[sldonnel]

I just read that Helu is starting @ RB. I know, I know, Shanahan (sp?) is impossible to figure out w/ RBs. But, does Redskin nation have any thoughts on how much Helu will likely carry the ball. My fantasy backfield is littered w/ Hammies and Concussions!

 

[G-Money]

Hankerson starting as well...............

 

[Lester Long]

I just read that Helu is starting @ RB. I know, I know, Shanahan (sp?) is impossible to figure out w/ RBs. But, does Redskin nation have any thoughts on how much Helu will likely carry the ball. My fantasy backfield is littered w/ Hammies and Concussions!

Helu was in on 34 snaps last week and got 0 carries. I think there is no telling. Torain I bet still has the most carries on the team this week.

 

[thayman]

PFT reporting that Peyton Hillis may be available in the offseason or earlier:

Report: Browns are prepared to move on from HillisPosted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2011, 10:51 AM EDT Browns have had enough of Peyton Hillis.That’s the latest report in this bizarre saga, courtesy of Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Cabot says that the Browns are prepared to let Hillis leave via free agency when his contract expires after the 2011 season.“It’s one thing after another, and what’s been out there isn’t even the half of it,” an unnamed source told Cabot.Quarterback Seneca Wallace confirmed to Cabot the recent report from Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports that players have grown weary of Hillis’ antics. Among other things, his decision to try to throw footballs off the crossbar prior to the game against the 49ers rubbed other players the wrong way. “Yes, it did get on some people’s nerves that he was throwing balls when he was injured,” Wallace said. “But at the end of the day, it’s his last name on the back of his jersey, and he has to decide how he wants to represent himself.”Wallace also confirmed that players were miffed that Hillis abruptly went to Arkansas to get married instead of receiving treatment on his hamstring. “Of course we’re going to be a little upset if Peyton’s not in there getting his treatment,” Wallace said. “We’re a team, and we rely on each other. But if he felt he wanted to go get married that day, that’s his business. You never really know what a person is going through. You don’t know what type of influences a person might have. I don’t know the stuff that Peyton has going on in his life.”Previously, the Browns seemed to be prepared to let Hillis test the market in free agency, with the goal of letting him see that a single season of 1,177 yards rushing and the presence of his face on the cover of the Madden video game doesn’t equate to $20 million in guaranteed money. But if the Browns had been willing to sign him once he realized that veteran running backs who aren’t among the very best in the business don’t get big contracts, the Browns apparently aren’t now.The next question becomes whether the Browns will decide to let him test the market in 2011, by cutting him.

I would only have moderate interest in Hillis. In the NFL things are moving so that a veteran high priced Free Agent RB is not the way to go.

Hillis may not be that expensive. He has had one good season and one crappy one in Cleveland. And many now think of him as a problem child. And he was one of Shanahan's running backs in Denver. Shanahan usually goes with young running backs, so he probably won't go after Hillis.

If he isn't pricey I wouldn't mind him. I just don't want to see them break the bacnk on a position that is quickly becoming less important.

 

[fatness]

If he isn't pricey I wouldn't mind him. I just don't want to see them break the bacnk on a position that is quickly becoming less important.

With the Redskins lately, that could mean "any offensive position".

 

[thayman]

If he isn't pricey I wouldn't mind him. I just don't want to see them break the bacnk on a position that is quickly becoming less important.

With the Redskins lately, that could mean "any offensive position".

New Offensive Plan.....just get it to the 40 and kick a FG with Gano.

 

[fatness]

Remaining schedule:

Philadelphia Eagles L

@ Carolina Panthers L

@ Buffalo Bills L

San Francisco 49ers L

@ Miami Dolphins

Dallas Cowboys

@Seattle Seahawks

New York Jets

New England Patriots

@ New York Giants

Minnesota Vikings

@ Philadelphia Eagles

Edited dgreen's post in bold to update where we are now.

 

[dgreen]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

 

[Sidewinder16]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

At least the 'Skins won't be the 'Fins first win!

 

[thayman]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

probably. I'm looking for Marshall to have a huge game.

 

[fatness]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

At least the 'Skins won't be the 'Fins first win!

I dread every time they face a winless team or a rookie QB.

 

[TobiasFunke]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

At least the 'Skins won't be the 'Fins first win!

If we do, maybe we go winless from there on out, get to the #2 or #3 overall pick, and can trade up with Indy for Luck without spending too much? That Rams team is gonna win a couple more games for sure.

 

[Sebowski]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

At least the 'Skins won't be the 'Fins first win!

If we do, maybe we go winless from there on out, get to the #2 or #3 overall pick, and can trade up with Indy for Luck without spending too much? That Rams team is gonna win a couple more games for sure.

we will be in that mix. I think we will lose to the Fins and the Fins have another win or two in them after that. They will also be looking to trade up for Luck though. Indy is going to get a king's ransom if they decide to trade the pick. I think they end up using it on Luck though.

 

[Marvelous]

They're going to lose in Miami, aren't they?

I think so.

At least the 'Skins won't be the 'Fins first win!

If we do, maybe we go winless from there on out, get to the #2 or #3 overall pick, and can trade up with Indy for Luck without spending too much? That Rams team is gonna win a couple more games for sure.

we will be in that mix. I think we will lose to the Fins and the Fins have another win or two in them after that. They will also be looking to trade up for Luck though. Indy is going to get a king's ransom if they decide to trade the pick. I think they end up using it on Luck though.

I think if Indy has the top pick, they keep it and take Luck. There is no team that is more qb-centric than the Colts.

 

[Marvelous]

My buddy just sent this to me.

A man walks into a bar with a dachshund under his arm. The dog is wearing a Washington Redskins jersey, helmet and has Redskins pompoms. The bartender says, "Hey! No pets allowed in here! You'll have to leave!" The man begs him, "Look, I'm desperate! We're both big Redskin fans, my TV is broken and this is the only place where we can see the game!" After securing a promise that the dog would behave, and warning the man that they would be thrown out if there was any trouble, the bartender allows them to stay in the bar and watch the game. The game begins with the Redskins receiving the kickoff. They march downfield, get stopped at the 30 yard line and they kick a field goal. With that, the dog jumps up on the bar and begins walking up and down the bar giving everyone a high-five! The bartender says, "Wow! That is the most amazing thing I've ever seen! What does the dog do if the Redskins score a touchdown?" The man replied, "I don't know. I've only had him for three years!"

When Graham Gano kicked the 59 yard field goal, all I could think of was the dog going up and down the bar giving everyone high fives.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

My buddy just sent this to me.

A man walks into a bar with a dachshund under his arm. The dog is wearing a Washington Redskins jersey, helmet and has Redskins pompoms. The bartender says, "Hey! No pets allowed in here! You'll have to leave!" The man begs him, "Look, I'm desperate! We're both big Redskin fans, my TV is broken and this is the only place where we can see the game!" After securing a promise that the dog would behave, and warning the man that they would be thrown out if there was any trouble, the bartender allows them to stay in the bar and watch the game. The game begins with the Redskins receiving the kickoff. They march downfield, get stopped at the 30 yard line and they kick a field goal. With that, the dog jumps up on the bar and begins walking up and down the bar giving everyone a high-five! The bartender says, "Wow! That is the most amazing thing I've ever seen! What does the dog do if the Redskins score a touchdown?" The man replied, "I don't know. I've only had him for three years!"

When Graham Gano kicked the 59 yard field goal, all I could think of was the dog going up and down the bar giving everyone high fives.

 

[fatness]

Candid camera.

 

[Eastwood]

Candid camera.

Can you blame him? I don't enjoy watching THIS Skins team, AT ALL. Its just no fun. The good news is, even if they don't have the ammo to trade up and get Luck from the Colts, the other bottom teams don't need a QB, so I think they should get the 2nd QB off the board.

 

[Eastwood]

And of course I've already had nightmares about the Colts shopping Manning after they grab Luck, and you know who offering him a HUGE contract only to watch him Deon or Bruce Smith us....

 

[TobiasFunke]

And of course I've already had nightmares about the Colts shopping Manning after they grab Luck, and you know who offering him a HUGE contract only to watch him Deon or Bruce Smith us....

I'm all over this thread praising the team for finally eschewing glamour free agents for youth and draft picks, but I would have no problem with this at all (assuming we don't give up TOO much to get him and assuming we could get a healthy Manning for 2-3 years).I think Manning is the greatest QB in the history of the game- we're just now seeing what a difference-maker he was for the Colts. He would instantly make the Skins an 8-9 win team without a single other personnel change. For this franchise- one that hasn't had an elite QB (except for that one freak Mark Rypien year) since at least the days of Sonny freaking Jurgenson- it would be huge.