***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (2 Viewers)

[RGIII HTTR]

I seriously doubt Shanny caves in to what Snyder says should be done on the field. Shanny has too big of a ego and is too controlling to be told what to do with his lineups. I say pure speculation and what we call "stirring the pot!"

 

[Ted Mullins]

Yeah, I completely wrote off the thing about Shanny wanting to keep Robert off for the first few games when it was Eskin saying it - I give it more credence when the Junkies say it since they know people locally, had the story about McNabb and the wristbands with the plays, etc. FWIW, I think Eskin said 6 weeks, Junkies claimed 4 weeks. Ultimately, that's more gossip than anything else and not overly impactful now even if true - I really only found it interesting as I have perceived Shanny as not putting up with Snyder's BS and Snyder being more hands off.

 

[Marvelous]

I wanted to make one comment on the salary cap penalty. The $36M comes directly from the cap hits the Redskins took for restructuring Albert Haynesworth's and DeAngelo Hall's contracts. The Redskins were required to take the cap hits at some point. They tried to restructure them so they all fell into the uncapped year. And the league did not allow it.

If they played it straight, they would have taken Haynesworth's cap hit in 2011 and 2012 when they traded him. They would have taken Hall's cap hit in 2011, 2012, 2013 and possibly 2014 since he was cut last offseason.

The Redskins really are that much worse off than if they did nothing. The did lose control of when the cap hit would be.

The bottom line: there is a big price to pay when a team give Albert Haynesworth $40M and he does nothing and they need to get rid of him after two year. They tried to get out of it, but the league would not allow it.

Thank you for the details, I appreciate it. And you're right --- they did lose control of when the cap hits would take place when they gambled and lost on dumping all the hit into one season.

Going by your information, they didn't truly take a $36 million hit over the last 2 years. This was the hit they took:

2011: $18 million minus the Haynesworth cap hit minus the Hall cap hit

2012: $18 million minus the Haynesworth cap hit minus the Hall cap hit

If the league had done nothing this is what they would have faced in the way of cap hits:

2011: Haynesworth hit plus Hall hit

2012: Haynesworth hit plus Hall hit

2013: Hall hit

2014: Hall hit

If Haynesworth was still traded before the 2011 season, his cap hit would be all in 2011 or if they can designate him a June 1 transaction, it would mostly be in 2012. Whenever it hit, there would have been almost no free agent signings that year, and possibly cutting players to stay under the cap.

When a big contract does not work out, it really limits what a team can do for a while. The old regime ended up with too many of these contracts, and then would keep players on the roster until the salary cap hit would become manageable. There were also times they would extend a player near the end of his career just to postpone the cap hit. The Redskins really were in a salary cap mess when Shanahan took over. They thought they had a get out of jail free card with the uncapped year, but the league first allowed it, then retroactively penalized them for doing it.

 

[fatness]

Remember getting excited about games?

 

[dgreen]

Remember getting excited about games?

I remember the '80s fondly.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Remember getting excited about games?

I remember the '80s fondly.

i really hope we dont get embarrased tonight

 

[MattFancy]

This is the kind of game the Skins usually win. No one is expecting a win tonight. I see them either getting blown out or winning a close one. I don't think there's a middle ground. Either the wheels are about to completely fall off or they are going ro rally.

 

[fatness]

This is the kind of game the Skins usually win. No one is expecting a win tonight. I see them either getting blown out or winning a close one. I don't think there's a middle ground. Either the wheels are about to completely fall off or they are going ro rally.

I was thinking the same thing -- close win or blowout loss. And here's the hard part: It's always better when your team wins, always. I can't root against them, ever. Yet a bad loss moves Shanahan that much closer to being out of town which I think is in the team's longterm best interests. He's brought them as far as he can, and this year looks awful. A close win moves things a little towards "keep Shanahan", which I don't think helps the team in the long run.

It's just a conflicted situation for me. I still will root for them to win, but I'd honestly like to see the coach gone.

 

[fatness]

Remember getting excited about games?

I remember the '80s fondly.

The tail end of last year was exciting as hell too.

 

[dgreen]

Remember getting excited about games?

I remember the '80s fondly.

The tail end of last year was exciting as hell too.

I was more nervous than excited. Up until Morris' game-locking TD, I thought they'd blow the game against Dallas in week 17. Even after going up 14-0 on Seattle, I was more nervous than excited. For me, excitement comes out of confidence and I haven't mad much confidence in a Redskins team in a long time.

So, for me, I'd say: Remember getting nervous about games?

I'm not nervous about tonight because I have no expectation of winning. If they start to play well and get a lead, I'll become nervous...but probably not excited.

 

[Ted Mullins]

This is the kind of game the Skins usually win. No one is expecting a win tonight. I see them either getting blown out or winning a close one. I don't think there's a middle ground. Either the wheels are about to completely fall off or they are going ro rally.

Exactly how I feel too. I expect them to win or lose by 2 TDs+

 

[jbz]

I hope they rally around RG3. He's been ##### on all week and he needs to answer his critics. I just hope he doesn't try to be Superman and blows the game or his knee out.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

LOL, Doctor told 49ers offense to play one game vs Redskins Defense and call me in the morning. Hazlett's defense the miracle cure for any offense!!!

I think it is only fair that Shanny's leadership now be questioned instead of the QB's...horrible is an understatement at this point.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The one thing that absolutely shocks me about living in this market is the excuses and the media makes for Shanny the fanny and this particular team. They predict them to win every single week, they were trying to tell us this defense was good up to three weeks ago, and they somehow kept thinking this would turn around. The Chargers handed them a win a few weeks back and they were going back to the Super Bowl, incredible.

Shannahan needs to go, clean them all out. The personnel is there on offense, they have two really good RBs, an elite WR and a good TE. The line is pretty decent to good. The defense is a ####### and the secondary might be one of the worst groups in the NFL. Didn't they draft two safeties? Rambo and I forget the other guy. What a mess. Special teams are horrible also, not sure what else to say. If this was a bucket I'd dump out everything but the offensive personnel.

 

[jbz]

Other rookie safety is on IR. The OL is not pretty decent. RG3 is getting David Carr syndrome due to all the hits he's taking. Part is his fault, but the OL pass protection is not very good

 

[fatness]

Dead team. Lifeless.

Last night Shanahan looked like Spurrier on the sideline -- shellshocked and powerless. The Skins looked pretty much the same way. This cart has no wheels.

 

[MattFancy]

Well I called it. Wheels have come off. I've been a Shanahan support, but this team just isn't responding. Back against the wall, at home, on MNF, and you score 6 points? That's terrible. This team has nothing left to give Shanahan. It's time to move on.

We have some guys we can build around like RG3, Trent, Alf, Garcon, Reed, and Kerrigan. I don't care what you do with the rest of the team, but please keep them.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins have played with a lead less than any team in the league, including Jacksonville.

 

[fatness]

Josh Wilson was in a boot this week. He was out there last night getting targeted repeatedly and successfully by the 49ers. The Redskins didn't put in a backup, and didn't provide him with any help. That's some great coaching and roster-building there.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You guys know you weren't supposed to win last night, right ?

I'm a little confused by the outrage and shock at the loss.

 

[fatness]

Except for part of th esecond quarter there was no sense the Redskins were even competing. Losing to a better team can be expected. Failing to compete --- that's a lot bigger thing. And worse.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

You guys know you weren't supposed to win last night, right ?

I'm a little confused by the outrage and shock at the loss.

You know this ,it's not about the loss it's how they lost. The ineptness and lack of certain fundamental parts is more than concerning, I don't think anyone is fooled with the loss over win that beating the drum at this point.

 

[fatness]

First time I've seen John Keim say this.

4. Afterward, coach Mike Shanahan said, “It was one of the poorest performances since I've been here.” Yes it was. That's what is disturbing. They had a lot to prove after two losses and a week of controversy. A win was needed, but really they just needed to play well. They did not. Shanahan is an accomplished NFL coach and a smart man, but he should be coaching for his job over the next five weeks.

 

[hammerva]

Much worse than the Zorn era because at least if you got rid of him there were plenty of better options at coach. If you get rid of the Red Lobster you are left with:

1. A coach who was fired at the end of this year (not many Andy Reid's in that list)

2. Art Briles or some other college coach that will pander to RG3 even more than Synder does

3. Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher

Might as well give Shanny the extension with the idea that he is fired if they don't win a NFC divisional playoff game. All of the excuses that Skins fans have used this year (the salary cap, RG3 being injured, etc) won't be there

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Cowher has been waiting to get the New York Giants job. That's the only place he's going to coach.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

So last year Shannahan gave the "We are in evaluation for next year mode" and it seemed to inspire the team to win. Anything he can do this year?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

Following Monday night's win over the Redskins, 49ers LB Ahmad Brooks said Robert Griffin III "shouldn't be playing."

Yes, Griffin is making awful decisions with his arm and not reading coverages correctly. But perhaps the bigger issue is that he's not able to mask those issues because his surgically-repaired knee isn't near 100 percent. The Redskins called just one designed run on Monday. "He's a man, he has the heart of a warrior and is going to go out there and play regardless of the circumstance," Brooks said. "Everybody can see it. Everybody can see it. He shouldn't be playing." Wearing a bulky brace, Griffin has rushed for just 33.3 yards per game and zero touchdowns on the season.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Cowher has been waiting to get the New York Giants job. That's the only place he's going to coach.

Neither Cowher nor Gruden are ever going to coach again IMO. They both enjoy what they do now and don't want to partake in the grind of coaching anymore. I think Cowher's wife dying especially impacted him and made him realize how much of his life he missed due to coaching. Being an analyst gives him time to be with his family and actually enjoy life. They've both been gone from the coaching game for so long that I just don't envision either one deciding to go back to the grind at this stage in their life.

 

[Bayhawks]

So last year Shannahan gave the "We are in evaluation for next year mode" and it seemed to inspire the team to win. Anything he can do this year?

Quit?

 

[(HULK)]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Cowher has been waiting to get the New York Giants job. That's the only place he's going to coach.

Neither Cowher nor Gruden are ever going to coach again IMO. They both enjoy what they do now and don't want to partake in the grind of coaching anymore. I think Cowher's wife dying especially impacted him and made him realize how much of his life he missed due to coaching. Being an analyst gives him time to be with his family and actually enjoy life. They've both been gone from the coaching game for so long that I just don't envision either one deciding to go back to the grind at this stage in their life.

I agree with bolded for sure. I think they will be tempted, but ultimately realize the job security they currently have and still being able to be involved with football will suffice. I didn't mention it because it already had, but TIME dedication is surely a main factor for them too.

 

[MattFancy]

If we do get a new coach, I'd want Darrell Bevell.

 

[Timmay]

The Redskins should of thrown more WR screens for 3 yards on 2nd and 3rd and longs last night. What a joke.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Since we are throwing names out there...Jay Gruden.

 

[Ted Mullins]

The Redskins have played with a lead less than any team in the league, including Jacksonville.

I knew they had been really bad, but was surprised when I saw this. Pretty much the worst scenario possible for an offense heavily predicated on running/playaction. Disaster of a season.

 

[fatness]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

 

[fatness]

If we do get a new coach, I'd want Darrell Bevell.

I want a real GM, who will then interview coaching candidates and pick who to hire.

You know, the way real teams do.

 

[MattFancy]

If we do get a new coach, I'd want Darrell Bevell.

I want a real GM, who will then interview coaching candidates and pick who to hire.

You know, the way real teams do.

I think Allen would be fine if he was on his own and not dealing with Shanny. But if Snyder wants to clean house, I'd take a look at Eric DeCosta from the Ravens.

I really like Bevell and hope if we do decide to end the Shanny era, we go after him.

 

[fatness]

I disagree about Bruce Allen, but the Ravens front office is a good place to look for someone. They're a well-run team.

 

[MattFancy]

I disagree about Bruce Allen, but the Ravens front office is a good place to look for someone. They're a well-run team.

I think Allen is alright. I wouldn't be pissed if they kept him and I wouldn't be pissed if they let him go. Just bring in Bevell!

 

[metoo]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

 

[(HULK)]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

So when Shanny says, we have to learn and get better...when does he apply that to himself? Since he's coached, he has never had a top defense. What has he learned all these years? At what point does he say, the current plan is not working and we need to change a few things to try and drive some positive results. How can you hold players responsible to get better if you are not willing to do it yourself?

 

[MattFancy]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but if we go in a new direction at HC, I want Darrell Bevell. Look what he's done with Russell Wilson. He could easily do the same if not more with RG3. Why would we not want to bring him in here? The re-tread coaches obviously aren't working here. Bring in someone new.

 

[False Start]

Saw this on the Twitter this Redskins fan does not seem to be having a good day.

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/the-locker-room/2013/11/26/watch-redskins-fan-get-a-hot-dog-to-the-face-in-nsfw-video

 

[metoo]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

How did Tampa look once he left?

 

[(HULK)]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but if we go in a new direction at HC, I want Darrell Bevell. Look what he's done with Russell Wilson. He could easily do the same if not more with RG3. Why would we not want to bring him in here? The re-tread coaches obviously aren't working here. Bring in someone new.

I know nothing about Bevell. Edumacate me.

 

[(HULK)]

I say bring on Chucky at this point.

God no. Didn't he and Bruce Allen leave Tampa with an empty cupboard? Gruden would just stockpile aging players and make faces on the sidelines.

He's overrated here and I don't understand the love for this guy on footballguys.

Look, the guy turned Rich Gannon into a stud. And then I think another Redskins reject in Tampa.

I feel like we need a coach that can develop our QB. RG3 has the skillset, he just needs the polish. Chucky could do that imo.

I think our next decade's success depends on RG3 much more than anything else.

How did Tampa look once he left?

Like they won a superbowl?

 

[fatness]

Mike Shanahan looks like he won a Super Bowl too. So did Joe Gibbs.

In the two years following Gruden's Super Bowl win, the Bucs went 7–9 and 5–11 respectively, implying to many Dungy supporters that Gruden had simply taken over a strong team and driven it into the ground. However, the high draft picks sacrificed by the team to acquire Gruden, along with salary-cap issues and failed draft choices left by the former general manager Rich McKay (with whom Gruden had a bitter relationship) limited Gruden's ability to field the teams he wanted. With no emerging talent in the fold and no money to afford replacements, the team was decimated by injuries to many of the Super Bowl stars, including Joe Jurevicius, Greg Spires, Shelton Quarles,and Brian Kelly, as well as acrimony with highly paid veterans such as Sapp, Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden#Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers

Gruden would be just like Gibbs and Shanahan the second time around.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Jon Gruden is my nightmare scenario. Please no. Would show that nothing's changed.