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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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fatness
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John Keim, with lots of other draft thoughts. He specifically mentions that their defense is old and will still need help next year.
fatness
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nittanylion
Footballguy
Well, at least I'm somewhat on the same page as Tandler, in the sense that the only two picks I like are Breeland and Seastrunk...
fatness, you asked earlier for the detractors (and I'm probably Chief among them) would post their 'might have done's', which is fair, and I absolutely intend to do it at some point. Between Cheffing, Mother's Day, stepson's baseball schedule, and, Commissioning a very complex 16-Team Dynasty League that's about to move from it's Legislative Phase into it's RFA period in the next 48 hours, I'm a little pressed for the time to put in a proper effort, but at some point I will. I'm not the hit-and-run type, and criticism with the amount of venom I attach to it is just #####1ng if it doesn't have some context.
Regarding Seastrunk, back in the day when the Chargers were sporting Tomlinson, and Michael Turner, and eventually Sproles as well, my buddy was full-on working on the Redskins staff at the time, and his specialty was speed. According to him, it didn't matter the Coaching Staff (he was around through 3 of them), everyone was enamored with speed, and the common thread was if a Player has natural speed, you go after him, regardless of any other concerns about him. A young Michael 'The Burner' Turner didn't catch the ball at all, but he had blazing speed and served a complimentary role well enough that it eventually landed him a starting gig. Seastrunk may lack a lot of things (and he REALLY has to work on his pass blocking), but he is a nitro with the ball in his hands, and RB is the easiest position to learn in the NFL. 'Change of pace' literally can mean anything you want it to, including a much, MUCH faster version of the guy you have toting the rock most of the time. If he transitions well and starts playing the game 'fast' relatively quickly, he'll be a home run threat almost every time he touches the ball. With the acquisition of DSJackson, I think we're seeing Gruden address what's probably the most glaring hole in the Redskins offense, and one, that if properly fixed, makes Griffin that much more dangerous.
fatness, you asked earlier for the detractors (and I'm probably Chief among them) would post their 'might have done's', which is fair, and I absolutely intend to do it at some point. Between Cheffing, Mother's Day, stepson's baseball schedule, and, Commissioning a very complex 16-Team Dynasty League that's about to move from it's Legislative Phase into it's RFA period in the next 48 hours, I'm a little pressed for the time to put in a proper effort, but at some point I will. I'm not the hit-and-run type, and criticism with the amount of venom I attach to it is just #####1ng if it doesn't have some context.
Regarding Seastrunk, back in the day when the Chargers were sporting Tomlinson, and Michael Turner, and eventually Sproles as well, my buddy was full-on working on the Redskins staff at the time, and his specialty was speed. According to him, it didn't matter the Coaching Staff (he was around through 3 of them), everyone was enamored with speed, and the common thread was if a Player has natural speed, you go after him, regardless of any other concerns about him. A young Michael 'The Burner' Turner didn't catch the ball at all, but he had blazing speed and served a complimentary role well enough that it eventually landed him a starting gig. Seastrunk may lack a lot of things (and he REALLY has to work on his pass blocking), but he is a nitro with the ball in his hands, and RB is the easiest position to learn in the NFL. 'Change of pace' literally can mean anything you want it to, including a much, MUCH faster version of the guy you have toting the rock most of the time. If he transitions well and starts playing the game 'fast' relatively quickly, he'll be a home run threat almost every time he touches the ball. With the acquisition of DSJackson, I think we're seeing Gruden address what's probably the most glaring hole in the Redskins offense, and one, that if properly fixed, makes Griffin that much more dangerous.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I feel the biggest blow during the draft came when Houston took SuaFilo rather than a qb. I'm sure they found out after round 1 who Houston was taking and worked out the trade will in advance of day 2 starting. And who knows if SuaFilo would have been redskins pick anyway.
But as a fan I would have felt a lot better if SuaFilo was our 2 pick and then we still got Moses or Gabe Jackson in 3. SuaFilo is a long term starter.
The team really didn't fix the S position this offseason in my opinion.
I also think Hankerson can pack his bags.
I'm sure we will inprove over last season and will be more interesting to watch. Hopefully gruden can bring some creativity to the offense. I think we have a lot of weapons there.
defense? I think it depends on what thy can get from hatcher orakpo and Kerrigan as far as qb pressures.
But as a fan I would have felt a lot better if SuaFilo was our 2 pick and then we still got Moses or Gabe Jackson in 3. SuaFilo is a long term starter.
The team really didn't fix the S position this offseason in my opinion.
I also think Hankerson can pack his bags.
I'm sure we will inprove over last season and will be more interesting to watch. Hopefully gruden can bring some creativity to the offense. I think we have a lot of weapons there.
defense? I think it depends on what thy can get from hatcher orakpo and Kerrigan as far as qb pressures.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Not sure what to think of this draft class. I remember Allen a couple weeks ago saying this draft would be used to look towards the future.
The Murphy pick is nice, but I didn't like taking him there in the 2nd. We had some other needs besides OLB early in the draft. Seems like he'll be a solid contributor, just thought that pick could've been used elsewhere.
Like the Moses pick. We need OL help and he could play Day 1. Long also filled a need at OG. Although it sounds like he can play C too which is nice.
Don't know much about Breeland, but we need secondary help so he can fill a need there. Sounds like there is a possibility he can be moved to safety.
I do like the Seastrunk pick. Talk before the combine was that he could be one of the top RBs in the draft. His speed his amazing. If he can work on his catching ability, he could be a steal for us.
The Murphy pick is nice, but I didn't like taking him there in the 2nd. We had some other needs besides OLB early in the draft. Seems like he'll be a solid contributor, just thought that pick could've been used elsewhere.
Like the Moses pick. We need OL help and he could play Day 1. Long also filled a need at OG. Although it sounds like he can play C too which is nice.
Don't know much about Breeland, but we need secondary help so he can fill a need there. Sounds like there is a possibility he can be moved to safety.
I do like the Seastrunk pick. Talk before the combine was that he could be one of the top RBs in the draft. His speed his amazing. If he can work on his catching ability, he could be a steal for us.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
There's a part of me that is still bitter at this guy for bailing on PSU. I hope Evan Royster keeps his roster spot and sends Redd packing...Royster sucks too...but at least he's a PSU grad and not a defector. I know it's not right to get mad at the guy for doing what he thought was best, but...well...I'll hold a grudge and it doesn't mean I have to root for him.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I don't have a particularly good feeling about this draft but what do I know. I will let it play out and hope these guys contribute and improve the team.
The Murphy pick is growing on me. He brings a nastiness and physicality with his attitude that this defense needs, he should be good in the locker room, provides a long term alternative to Orakpo and Kerrigan and OLB, and should be able to contribute on special teams. I still would have liked them to have stayed at 34 and got one of the O-linemen but if they didnt like the ones that were there and feel good about the lineman they got later than so be it.
This takes me to the Moses pick. He is from the same county a grew up in and played for one of my rival high schools. I'd love few things more than for him to become a quality starter at RT but I have some major concerns. Milkman has said rather simplistically that he sucks ###. I won't go that far but after looking at his tape, especially at RT, there is A LOT of need for improvement. The most concerning things are that is is terribly slow off the snap and plays way too high. These are pretty bad traits for an NFL o-lineman. He's also a waist bender who relies on his length way too much and ends up reaching for blocks and doesnt fully engage defenders. Also, seems to lack the nastiness and desire to finish blocks. Time will tell but Moses has a lot of bad habits/traits that need to get corrected.
But apparently the Skins feel comfortable than can coach him up and passed on several other O-line prospects. Apparently, Koundajio failed the Skins physical, which is amusing since Dr. Andrews gave him a clean bill of health.
I was hoping for someone who could step in, compete, and take Polumbus' job from day one. I don't think Moses will do that.
The Murphy pick is growing on me. He brings a nastiness and physicality with his attitude that this defense needs, he should be good in the locker room, provides a long term alternative to Orakpo and Kerrigan and OLB, and should be able to contribute on special teams. I still would have liked them to have stayed at 34 and got one of the O-linemen but if they didnt like the ones that were there and feel good about the lineman they got later than so be it.
This takes me to the Moses pick. He is from the same county a grew up in and played for one of my rival high schools. I'd love few things more than for him to become a quality starter at RT but I have some major concerns. Milkman has said rather simplistically that he sucks ###. I won't go that far but after looking at his tape, especially at RT, there is A LOT of need for improvement. The most concerning things are that is is terribly slow off the snap and plays way too high. These are pretty bad traits for an NFL o-lineman. He's also a waist bender who relies on his length way too much and ends up reaching for blocks and doesnt fully engage defenders. Also, seems to lack the nastiness and desire to finish blocks. Time will tell but Moses has a lot of bad habits/traits that need to get corrected.
But apparently the Skins feel comfortable than can coach him up and passed on several other O-line prospects. Apparently, Koundajio failed the Skins physical, which is amusing since Dr. Andrews gave him a clean bill of health.
I was hoping for someone who could step in, compete, and take Polumbus' job from day one. I don't think Moses will do that.
fatness
Footballguy
The pick I don't like is Long. He was hurt too much and I think there's a good chance that continues in the pros. The Skins constantly lose young players to injuries -- Crawford, Jarvis Jenkins, Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Hankerson --- and we don't need anyone one hurt and waiting to see next season if he'll ever make it as a pro.
The pick I like is Lache Seastrunk, because his first name is pronounced "Lake". All he needs is a better last name, like Superior or Tahoe. Or Lache Charles Lousiana.
I don't think there's any way they'll be able to keep Murphy off the field. The guy plays too hard and learns too much to let that happen. I think Moses, even with all the supposed holes in his game, will replace Polumbus as starter. I think Breeland will turn into a decent CB.
Really enjoying hearing what everyone else thinks, and why.
The pick I like is Lache Seastrunk, because his first name is pronounced "Lake". All he needs is a better last name, like Superior or Tahoe. Or Lache Charles Lousiana.
I don't think there's any way they'll be able to keep Murphy off the field. The guy plays too hard and learns too much to let that happen. I think Moses, even with all the supposed holes in his game, will replace Polumbus as starter. I think Breeland will turn into a decent CB.
Really enjoying hearing what everyone else thinks, and why.
To really evaluate the draft, you need to wait 3 years to see the results.
Murphy looks like he will contribute immediately, although he may not be a starter. The Redskins really need to improve their pass rush. And Hatcher and Murphy should help a lot.
From what I have read, Moses and Long both need time to develop. Both are most likely not starting this year unless there are injuries. People are itching to have Polumbus replaced. I actually think replacing Chester is a greater issue and he has a much larger salary.
There is a good chance every draft pick makes the team. I think all of the picks except Moses and Long play special teams. The least likely are the two 7th round draft picks. It looks like TE Ted Bolser will be battling Niles Paul for a roster spot. K Hocker could make the team as a kick off specialist, although there will not be enough roster spots for all the players the Redskins want to keep.
Murphy looks like he will contribute immediately, although he may not be a starter. The Redskins really need to improve their pass rush. And Hatcher and Murphy should help a lot.
From what I have read, Moses and Long both need time to develop. Both are most likely not starting this year unless there are injuries. People are itching to have Polumbus replaced. I actually think replacing Chester is a greater issue and he has a much larger salary.
There is a good chance every draft pick makes the team. I think all of the picks except Moses and Long play special teams. The least likely are the two 7th round draft picks. It looks like TE Ted Bolser will be battling Niles Paul for a roster spot. K Hocker could make the team as a kick off specialist, although there will not be enough roster spots for all the players the Redskins want to keep.
fatness
Footballguy
Speaking of TE, if Jordan Reed gets hurt again there isn't really a receiving TE on the roster. The guy they drafted is built like a run blocker, Paul has never been any good at TE (or WR), and Paulson will get his one or two lumbering catches a game but isn't someone who really breaks anything open.
MattFancy
Footballguy
That's why I was hoping they would have signed Owen Daniels. He would've been nice depth to have an could've even had him out there in 2TE sets.
Previously, people were asking what we would have preferred to Redskins to do in the draft. I don't have an opinion on this, but we can make some easy comparisions based on what other teams did.
Dallas traded up to #34, and drafted a pass rusher, something the Redskins need. So in the future, we can compare DeMarcus Lawrence vs. Trent Murphy and Spencer Long
The Dallas picks also happened to be right in front of the Ravens, who have a reputation of drafting very well. They picked players in need positions of the Redskins. Of course, I think the Redskins need players in just about every position.
Round 2: Trent Murphy vs NT Timmy Jernigan
Round 3: Spencer Long vs. FS Terrence Brooks
I also thought NT Louis Nix was highly rates and available at pick 78. So we can look at:
Spencer Long vs. NT Louis Nix
Dallas traded up to #34, and drafted a pass rusher, something the Redskins need. So in the future, we can compare DeMarcus Lawrence vs. Trent Murphy and Spencer Long
The Dallas picks also happened to be right in front of the Ravens, who have a reputation of drafting very well. They picked players in need positions of the Redskins. Of course, I think the Redskins need players in just about every position.
Round 2: Trent Murphy vs NT Timmy Jernigan
Round 3: Spencer Long vs. FS Terrence Brooks
I also thought NT Louis Nix was highly rates and available at pick 78. So we can look at:
Spencer Long vs. NT Louis Nix
werdnoynek
Footballguy
This is pretty amusing. Most likely, Darrel Young will line up at FB on the first offensive play of the season. But the article wanted talk about Andre Roberts.Faust said:
They made Moses Morgan and Spencer Long starters on the OL. Both are unlikely. Note that is Chris Chester is on the team, he will start. He will be cut if he is not the starter. Polumbus can be a backup.
And for some reason, they want the Redskins to start the season with a classic 3-3 nickel defense.
The nickel defense will probably at Orakpo and Kerrigan at DE, Hatcher and Cofield at DT, Murphy and Riley at LB. They could possibly swap Kerrigan and Murphy. But they rate to rush 5 a lot in this alignment.
fatness
Footballguy
UDFA's signed.
Tulane nose tackle Chris Davenport
Southern University wide receiver Lee Doss
Brigham Young wide receiver Cody Hoffman
Indiana wide receiver Kofi Hughes
Northwestern wide receiver Rashad Lawrence
Texas El-Paso tight end Kevin Perry
Southern California running back Silas Redd
North Dakota State defensive back Bryan Shepherd
Arkansas nose tackle Robert Thomas.
Tulane nose tackle Chris Davenport
Southern University wide receiver Lee Doss
Brigham Young wide receiver Cody Hoffman
Indiana wide receiver Kofi Hughes
Northwestern wide receiver Rashad Lawrence
Texas El-Paso tight end Kevin Perry
Southern California running back Silas Redd
North Dakota State defensive back Bryan Shepherd
Arkansas nose tackle Robert Thomas.
fatness
Footballguy
Useless news
Second-round linebacker Trent Murphy got in trouble for being too rough with Andrew Luck
Third-round tackle Morgan Moses has a beard that tweets
Third-round guard Spencer Long wants to be a surgeon, and has never lived in a big city:
Fourth-round cornerback Bashaud Breeland has his own day in Allendale SC
Fifth-round wide receiver Ryan Grant accounted for 43.31% of his team’s receiving yards
Lache Seastrunk’s name is pronounced “Lake”
Second-round linebacker Trent Murphy got in trouble for being too rough with Andrew Luck
Third-round tackle Morgan Moses has a beard that tweets
Third-round guard Spencer Long wants to be a surgeon, and has never lived in a big city:
Fourth-round cornerback Bashaud Breeland has his own day in Allendale SC
Fifth-round wide receiver Ryan Grant accounted for 43.31% of his team’s receiving yards
Lache Seastrunk’s name is pronounced “Lake”
fatness
Footballguy
Most will not make the team.
From last year, Nick Williams and Will Compton are still on the roster.
From 2012, Chase Minnifield is still on the roster.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I'm with you 100%, Fat Nick. FTR, my connections with the football program at the University, who I know have accurate inside scoop, said, when it came to Redd, that USC competely whored themselves out to him to get him to defect. I'm sure if a certain degree of scrutiny was applied, all kinds of interesting things would come out of that situation. Some real shady shenanigans went on, on campus, especially with bottom-feeding football B1G schools blatantly showing up in full Team regalia actively trying to get our Players to leave. Not because of any morality issues with the scandal, but just because they had the opportunity. Like carrion vultures or hyenas. Really says a lot about the overwhelming percentage of kids who stayed and honored their commitment.
I'm going off on a tangent, sorry...back to your regularly scheduled Thread.
...and fwiw, I WILL eventually dissect the Draft, as I said I would. It's going to take a chunk of time that I don't have right now, though. Sorry. My initial opinions about this Draft haven't changed, though. Still regard it as very subpar effort. I will re-iterate this point later when I post my thoughts, but my opinion is heavily based upon my view of where the Redskins are at this particular moment in time, and what I think they ought to be trying to accomplish inside the 'Griffin Window'. Hope that helps to explain my stance.
FWIW, for those same reasons, I'm very glad Cousins went nowhere.
Pretty interesting, by the way, to track the careers of the defectors. From a career perspective, they all probably would have been better off staying at State.
ETA: I LOVE Breeland, ftr...
...IIRC, Chase Minnifield has a tremendous pedigree - Frank Minnfield was one of the best CB's I ever saw play in the 80's. If I'm not mistaken, that's his Dad. Love stories like that, if that's the case.
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fatness
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fatness
Footballguy
First look at Gruden coaching the Skins.
There's an assessment of each drafted player by Gruden in the article as well.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Repo 5,000 cars a year? Yeah right. That's 13-14 per day.
fatness
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fatness
Footballguy
OK, here's what I don't get. According to multiple sources I read, and according to Chris Russell on the radio, either Moses got the better of Murphy at minicamp, or Moses got the better of him early and Murphy got the better of Moses later. In other words, either Moses came out on top or it was a wash.
Yet there's been far more press about what Murphy did well, and what Moses didn't do well.
Seems like the media ignoring their own reports and adopting a favorite.
Yet there's been far more press about what Murphy did well, and what Moses didn't do well.
Seems like the media ignoring their own reports and adopting a favorite.
PinkydaPimp
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fatness
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fatness
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And this is completely weird. The Skins have had less roster turnover than any other team since 2011 (tied with Green Bay). Teams on that list with the most roster turnover are generally bad teams. Teams with the least roster turnover are generally good teams. Bizarre.
PinkydaPimp
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well to be fair most teams with little turnover have such little because they have strong talent on the roster at many positions. In our case, we simply had cap issues and missing draft picks so we were limited. :sigh:
steveski
Footballguy
Have you guys heard anything or have any ideas about how Seastrunk is going to fit into this offense? I'm having a hard time imagining it. Morris isn't going anywhere as a pure runner and he can't replace Helu if he can't catch the ball.
I know I read that Seastrunk caught the ball well at the combine, but hearing that doesn't help shake the thought of him never being used in the passing game at Oregon. Also, he struggles blocking. It seems like he would be in the Morris role, but just not as good at any aspect except speed.
l like Seastrunk, but this is just one of the harder situations to imagine him seeing any playing time without injuries ahead of him.
I know I read that Seastrunk caught the ball well at the combine, but hearing that doesn't help shake the thought of him never being used in the passing game at Oregon. Also, he struggles blocking. It seems like he would be in the Morris role, but just not as good at any aspect except speed.
l like Seastrunk, but this is just one of the harder situations to imagine him seeing any playing time without injuries ahead of him.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I think we, first, need to keep in mind that Seastrunk is a 6th round pick. There will be very few expectations from him, as far as on-field production, this season. I'm pasting a couple of quotes from various posts on John Keim's blog below, some of which strongly suggest as much.
IMO, a realistic expectation of Seastrunk is that he becomes a good COP back somewhere down the road. I don't expect anything from him this season, and just hope he's ready to replace Helu as the backup next season when Helu is a FA. If he happens to develop in to starter material, it's just icing on the cake, given what little is invested (6th round pick) in him.
Most of the Redskin draft picks are projects and Seastrunk is definitely a project. He has speed and that is something you can't coach. He needs to learn pass catching and pass blocking schemes. Fortunately, there is no hurry for him to do it.
I think he can get some carries as a change of pace back this season. And play on special teams.
From what I am reading, the draft pick that is mostly likely to start week 1 is Spencer Long. Trent Murphy will definitely have a role. But he won't be a starter unless Orakpo or Kerrigan is injured.
I think he can get some carries as a change of pace back this season. And play on special teams.
From what I am reading, the draft pick that is mostly likely to start week 1 is Spencer Long. Trent Murphy will definitely have a role. But he won't be a starter unless Orakpo or Kerrigan is injured.
Dan Hope at Bleacher Report thinks the Redskins should have taken G Gabe Jackson instead of Spencer Long.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2068327-the-player-each-team-will-most-regret-passing-on-in-the-2014-nfl-draft/page/33
Not much discussion on Morraco Brown leaving. Some of the talk I heard:
Brown is well respected in NFL circles.
Brown was under Scott Campbell and there was no really way to promote him. This move is a promotion for Brown.
A.J. Smith is still with the Redskins in a pretty vague role.
There is a general thought that the Redskins have too many cooks in the personnel kitchen.
Brown is well respected in NFL circles.
Brown was under Scott Campbell and there was no really way to promote him. This move is a promotion for Brown.
A.J. Smith is still with the Redskins in a pretty vague role.
There is a general thought that the Redskins have too many cooks in the personnel kitchen.
dgreen
Footballguy
It's my understanding that it used to be pretty common to not even start discussions with higher draft picks until a couple weeks before training camp. Not sure why that was, though.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think it's hard for us to have a conversation about someone like Morraco Brown. None of us really know anything about him other than the bits we get from the media. All the Redskins reporters seem to speak highly of him, for whatever that's worth. Other than that, what we can say about him?
MattFancy
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