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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Captain, we're taking on water! Bail, bail, bail,...whoops, this boat is sinking, ABANDON SHIP ABANDON SHIP!!!!
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
You forgot to list the most unique part to Graham signing with Buffalo, he was sitting at Redskins park when the announcement came...literally in Redskins park...OUCH x2!!!!!
FA and draft time is really about the only time I've managed to get excited about the skins the past several years. This year, don't even seem to have that. No notable signings happening. No first round pick. Oh well, on the bright side, lowered expectations just mean less of an emotional fall by week 3 or 4 if things go in the normal direction.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Fine with adding him in FA, but don't see the point of trading for him. He's be more of a luxury than anything.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Spencer is an OLB/DE, where would he play? Behind Kerrigan? Doubt Spencer wants to come in cheap and be backup, cheap 1 yr deal to show teams he healthy and can play is understandable, but he'd have to start for a team to show the other teams he's still got something left in his tank. THis makes no sense to me, unless he by miracle he's transformed and can play Safety.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
#confused #Redskins willing to trade picks for Sproles, but not spend $5-6 mill for a starting Safety when they have zero Safeties? Hmm...if this is true, my fears about the current state of affairs of our front office is more than justified and worse than I thought. We appear to be the ghost ship that is aimlessly sailing the seven seas without any at the helm. #scary #terrified
MattFancy
Footballguy
There was an article on Bleacher Report about the Skins and their FA moves so far. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1990185-what-weve-learned-about-washington-redskins-after-the-start-of-free-agency#articles/1990185-what-weve-learned-about-washington-redskins-after-the-start-of-free-agency
Basically it's saying that the only difference maker in FA was Byrd. Now, I don't necesaarily agree 100% with what he said, but it does make sense. Plus, you have to remember RG3, Trent, Kerrigan, Morris and Garcon will all probably be getting new deals soon. It seems like the FO is trying to reward the guys that have played well instead of always bringing in the next big name. What better way to attract future talent than to sure your loyal to the guys that have played well for you?
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
I moved out the DMV about 9 years ago and have been a Sunday Ticket holder (not for FF) all that time just to watch Redskins games. It's been tuff with all the loses and spending money to see that, but been a fan since I can remember, so never thought twice about it. In an odd way, I kind of consider myself a season ticket holder in a way. I know, not really the same, but you get my point.
That said, after last season...it is the first time I've ever wondered if I would invest money again to buying the Sunday Ticket to watch every game of the Redskins. My tank is running on empty and history is showing that we are just not that organization that can come from last to first or pull out of the decade plus tail spin. My kids are 'Skins fans, but my son (senior in HS) really has only seen 2, maybe 3 winning seasons. Sad! Basically, can't say 100%, but I might be done investing money into having to see this product because it is so flawed. Maybe this will change, maybe it won't. If I don't re-up, I'll surely watch any nationally televised game though and stick to just reading about all the others.
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SeanTaylor21
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#confused #Redskins willing to trade picks for Sproles, but not spend $5-6 mill for a starting Safety when they have zero Safeties? Hmm...if this is true, my fears about the current state of affairs of our front office is more than justified and worse than I thought. We appear to be the ghost ship that is aimlessly sailing the seven seas without any at the helm. #scary #terrified
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm sick to my stomach to watch the names like Byrd, Ward, Whitner, and even Malcolm Jenkins sign with other teams. We're gonna be left with Roman Harper or injured Patrick Chung and its gonna be Brandon Merriweather all over again. Even Ryan Clark is a 2-3 year fill at max.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm sick to my stomach to watch the names like Byrd, Ward, Whitner, and even Malcolm Jenkins sign with other teams. We're gonna be left with Roman Harper or injured Patrick Chung and its gonna be Brandon Merriweather all over again. Even Ryan Clark is a 2-3 year fill at max.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Sproles to Philly. Weird.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Sorry to be downer, but my mood has nothing to do with Gruden or anyone in particular...just been reflective and realized that no matter who is at the wheel (had multiple different people and personalities) and the one thing that has not changed...we are flawed. LOL, someone might need to talk me from the ledge...
MattFancy
Footballguy
It's going to be alright lol
For years we went with the big splah FA route. What did that get us? Every offseason we spent big in FA, we failed the following season. The 2005 team surprised a few and we all thought we were just a few big names away. Going into 2006, we signed a bunch of big names thinking it would put us over the top. What happened? We went missed the playoffs.
This current team isn't a Jarius Byrd, Aqib Talib, Mike Mitchell, Anthony Collins, etc. away from winning anything. We have a ton of holes at ILB, S, CB, OL, DL, WR. Pretty much the only spots were okay are QB, RB and TE. Why spend big on Byrd and Talib when we have so many other needs? Accorfing to most, Byrd was really the only differene-maker out there. I can't say I'm upset we didn't get him for $9M/yr.
Yes, I'd like to see them try an bring in some help for the secondary, but there's still some solid guys out there and it's day 3 of FA. It's March. We still have the draft in May. If come Training Camp this is our roster, then yes there is reason to worry. But we're 4 months away from anything meanigful football wise. Let's let the guys in charge work their magic. If they can't, then we can be upset. But I'm not worried yet.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
That is the problem though, as losing franchise, we have to overspend or trade to get any real talent. Not go bananas crazy spending, but money is the only lure for a player to come to Redskins, unless they are from the area. Until this franchise shows real hope of putting together some winning seasons, this will be the case point blank. Value signing are great, when talent is through out the roster, but unfortunately we are not at the place and don't have that luxury.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Archer
Footballguy
True, but there were a lot of risks with all 3 of those picks coming into the league. I'd say the trio I mentioned is MUCH safer and far less likely to bust.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Exactly. When is the last time going all in on free agency has built a sustainable winner? It damn sure hasn't worked for Snyder's redskins. All it has ever done is reduce the importance of the draft and mortgage the teams future. Definition of insanity, anyone?
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Fair enough and let's hope so, if one is taken. Of course, drafted WRs (other than high no brainer picks) don't usually start to bloom/help until year 3, maybe some in year 2 if they start to "get it."
dehaven123
Footballguy
this. if i was the short leash type, as some of u r, wouldn't it make sense to give them at least one off season?
i suppose even that is too measured of an approach i guess.
False Start
Footballguy
I use to live in DC and follow the team still. Some of you Skins fans need to calm down a bit, its brutal and just pathetic how some of you are acting towards a team that just began free agency and has a new regime. Are you guys ever happy or always this miserable?
dehaven123
Footballguy
i see brandon browner is coming to town for a visit.
dehaven123
Footballguy
i guess they think we should pay byrd 9m or wahtever it was.
maybe revis for 12m, too.
they prolly also went ape#### when we jumped for haynesworth. i guess that's the kind of stuff they prefer.
Swing 51
Footballguy
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
LMFAO...and you don't stop as this off-season free agency gets better and better...Bruce Campbell has now decided to not sign with Redskins. 
Even those coveted value players are running away from Redskins park...I think the Burgundy and Gold plague is an official epidemic.
Even those coveted value players are running away from Redskins park...I think the Burgundy and Gold plague is an official epidemic.
dgreen
Footballguy
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Dys·func·tion·al - adjective 1. not operating normally or properly.
We truly take after our team.
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fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/11/2014-redskins-free-agency-tracker/
- OT Bruce Campbell has not actually signed with Skins, Mike Jones reports, noting he agreed to terms, his contract was on record with the NFLPA, but problems with his physical caused a snag. Deal was reportedly one-year, $645K.
- Mike Jones reports the Redskins will meet with former Cowboys Anthony Spencer on Thursday, and Jason Hatcher on Friday. Also, Seahawks corner Brandon Browner will meet with the Skins.
- Despite being tied up with flight
delays Wednesday evening, safety Ryan Clark is scheduled to meet with the Skins on Thursday
- Seattle corner Walter Thurmond to visit Washington and Tampa, via Jason La Canfora. Previously met with Jacksonville. Still in contact with Seattle.
- “As strange as it sounds, Carlos Rogers is the most likely to end up in Washington by the end of the day,” Michael Phillips, Richmond Times-Dispatch
- After an extended meeting with the Skins on Wednesday, Antonio Smith (formerly Texans) has reportedly moved on to Tennessee.
- Skins may still have interest in corner Captain Munnerlyn, who visited the Vikings on Wednesday, Ben Goessling says.
fatness
Footballguy
I think the Redskins seriously misjudged the market for safeties this year and were not offering what other teams were. Without talking "too much money" or "reasonable", in FA you pay what you pay each year, and each year's market defines itself as it goes along. I think they guess wrong at what their competitors would offer, and got shut out
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
It appears other unsuccessful teams like the Browns and Bucs realized the only lure was money and they found a way to get FA's, it appears this front office is unprepared, have no real plan in place and hope it is not a sign of more to come. They misjudged the entire market (multiple positions). Think you nailed it on the head though...
Sebowski
Footballguy
Disagree. That is how you over pay and get caught in terrible contracts. For examples of this see: Redskins, Washington 1995-2013
fatness
Footballguy
It depends on who you pay. During most of those years there was nobody in the Skins front office who could evaluate talent; they just went after big names.
This year they had more of a clue who to target. They wanted Mitchell at safey, who would be good here and is young. He ended up getting $5 million/yr. somewhere else. $5.5 million/yr. would not be too much for the Skins to have offered him in my opinion, since it would have taken the pressure off the need for higher quality CB's and since it would not have forced them to look for a S high in the draft at the possible cost of bypassing a better player at another position. I think they underestimated what it would take to get Mitchell, and overestimated the harm payiing him $5.5 million would do.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
No, that is when the Redskins organization were fooled (making playoffs) in thinking they were better than they were and needed to just add a major impact player. They also haven't signed a "terrible" contract for over two years, but that I'm sure was due to cap penalty holding them back. Again, when you're a perpetual losing team the only way to get or lure real FA talent is to overpay, we have nothing else going for us to bring them in. Don't have to insane with money, but unrealistic to think that overpaying will not have to occur.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
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As a lifetime (42 years) fan of the Skins I have been joyed by Superbowls, great teams, and great coaches. But none of those have come in the last 20 years. I've stuck with them for this long for God knows what reason. I hate money grabbing, legal wrangling Dan Snyder. I don't think much of Brruce Allen but I'll give him a couple more years. Gruden I need to see in action before judging. No matter who is at the helm, you aren't going to recover from 20 years of atrociousness in 1 year or with a couple of players.
People say Dan Synder ruined this franchise. I do not think much of him, but he did not. The Redkins inability to adapt to a salary cap era ruined this franchise, and that salary cap era just happened to come around in the last few years of JKC's life. He and his GMs did a poor job with it. Their records from 1994 - 1998, when the cap first started until JKC's death, were 3-13, 6-10, 9-7, 8-7-1, and 6-10. So the pain started before Snyder.
Snyder ended up the owner, and so it was his responsibility to improve the franchise from 1998 - present. Based on any conceivable measure other than Snyder's pocketbook, he has failed. But like many fans that would take over their team, he tried for quick fixes and buying championships. So while he bought an franchise in disarray, he made it even worse. So I do blame the last 5-7 years squarely on him.
Now, everything I've said makes you want to jump immediately. Me too. So the positive to keep me from jumping is 1) they have finally gotten out of the pain cause by the Haynesworth and other deals, 2) they are finally beyond the salary cap penalty, 3) they aren't saddling themselves with bad contracts (of course one can also argue that's becasue they don't have good players), but I'll stick to the positive side of this one.
Last thing that keeps me from jumping is that I expect to outlive Dan Snyder, and there's always hope that the next owner is better.
I will try to talk you down from the ledge.
As a lifetime (42 years) fan of the Skins I have been joyed by Superbowls, great teams, and great coaches. But none of those have come in the last 20 years. I've stuck with them for this long for God knows what reason. I hate money grabbing, legal wrangling Dan Snyder. I don't think much of Brruce Allen but I'll give him a couple more years. Gruden I need to see in action before judging. No matter who is at the helm, you aren't going to recover from 20 years of atrociousness in 1 year or with a couple of players.
People say Dan Synder ruined this franchise. I do not think much of him, but he did not. The Redkins inability to adapt to a salary cap era ruined this franchise, and that salary cap era just happened to come around in the last few years of JKC's life. He and his GMs did a poor job with it. Their records from 1994 - 1998, when the cap first started until JKC's death, were 3-13, 6-10, 9-7, 8-7-1, and 6-10. So the pain started before Snyder.
Snyder ended up the owner, and so it was his responsibility to improve the franchise from 1998 - present. Based on any conceivable measure other than Snyder's pocketbook, he has failed. But like many fans that would take over their team, he tried for quick fixes and buying championships. So while he bought an franchise in disarray, he made it even worse. So I do blame the last 5-7 years squarely on him.
Now, everything I've said makes you want to jump immediately. Me too. So the positive to keep me from jumping is 1) they have finally gotten out of the pain cause by the Haynesworth and other deals, 2) they are finally beyond the salary cap penalty, 3) they aren't saddling themselves with bad contracts (of course one can also argue that's becasue they don't have good players), but I'll stick to the positive side of this one.
Last thing that keeps me from jumping is that I expect to outlive Dan Snyder, and there's always hope that the next owner is better.
Outside of Gibbs 1.0 and a few years under George Allen, the Redskin's history is really pretty bad. As soon as Gibbs left the first time, the team fell apart and all the roster problems were exposed. Charlie Casserly was a new GM and was learning on the job. At least he was a professional.
The problems with the Redskins do go way back, before Snyder. But Snyder did not help at all. By all accounts, Snyder is very supportive and wants to do anything to win. Yet every decision he makes backfires on him. Many are obvious, but the more recent decision seem a lot more subtle.
dehaven123
Footballguy
so how do we feel about browner?
risk from suspension aside, what do we think a player of his caliber would cost?
if haslett needs to bring numbers to get to the QB consistently, seems like a good fit. man scheme, big body. he can cover the dez type guys and hold down the fort capably, right?
risk from suspension aside, what do we think a player of his caliber would cost?
if haslett needs to bring numbers to get to the QB consistently, seems like a good fit. man scheme, big body. he can cover the dez type guys and hold down the fort capably, right?
dgreen
Footballguy
For those of us of the right age, we were spoiled in the 80s. We grew up thinking "Yeah, we go to the playoffs just about every year and win a Super Bowl every few years. That's just the way it is." But, that success was arguably more unlikely than our current string of suck.
If we assume all teams have equal chances at winning, we should expect 1 Super Bowl every 32 years.
There's a 37.5% chance (6/16) of making the playoffs in a given year, meaning you should expect 1 playoff appearance every 3 years. (Or you could look at it as 25% for winning division plus 16.7% of being a wildcard team and say there's a 41.7% chance. But, either way, 1 appearance every 3 years is the expected value.)
And, with four teams per division, there's obviously a 25% to win the division in a given year, meaning you should expect 1 division championship every 4 years.
Since Gibbs 2.0, we have 3 playoff appearances in 10 years. That's not far off from realistic expectations (assuming league equality). Since you can't have 3.75 appearances, 10 seasons should lead to 3 or 4 appearances. Where the real failure is is winning the division.
But, as we know, there isn't equality. A real reason for our down years isn't just due to chance. It's influenced by lack of leadership and/or talent at different times, among other things. We know there are decisions that can be made that lead to outperforming the expectations. The Redskins did it in the 80s (and most of the 70s and way back in the 30s and 40s). We see other teams doing that right now. But, the Redskins also balanced out those highs with under-performing vs the expectations, most notably in the 50s and 60s and more recently. Those teams that are riding the good wave right now will someday fall. They won't always outperform the expectations.
I think we all agree it's absolutely ridiculous to expect consistent winning and multiple titles over a long time span. On the flip side, we shouldn't expect continuous losing over the same time period. I'm not typing all of this to argue that "The Redskins haven't been that bad." In many aspects, they clearly have been bad for far too long than should be expected. But, I also think it's helpful to think of it in terms of "Only 1 team gets to win the Super Bowl each year."
If we assume all teams have equal chances at winning, we should expect 1 Super Bowl every 32 years.
There's a 37.5% chance (6/16) of making the playoffs in a given year, meaning you should expect 1 playoff appearance every 3 years. (Or you could look at it as 25% for winning division plus 16.7% of being a wildcard team and say there's a 41.7% chance. But, either way, 1 appearance every 3 years is the expected value.)
And, with four teams per division, there's obviously a 25% to win the division in a given year, meaning you should expect 1 division championship every 4 years.
Since Gibbs 2.0, we have 3 playoff appearances in 10 years. That's not far off from realistic expectations (assuming league equality). Since you can't have 3.75 appearances, 10 seasons should lead to 3 or 4 appearances. Where the real failure is is winning the division.
But, as we know, there isn't equality. A real reason for our down years isn't just due to chance. It's influenced by lack of leadership and/or talent at different times, among other things. We know there are decisions that can be made that lead to outperforming the expectations. The Redskins did it in the 80s (and most of the 70s and way back in the 30s and 40s). We see other teams doing that right now. But, the Redskins also balanced out those highs with under-performing vs the expectations, most notably in the 50s and 60s and more recently. Those teams that are riding the good wave right now will someday fall. They won't always outperform the expectations.
I think we all agree it's absolutely ridiculous to expect consistent winning and multiple titles over a long time span. On the flip side, we shouldn't expect continuous losing over the same time period. I'm not typing all of this to argue that "The Redskins haven't been that bad." In many aspects, they clearly have been bad for far too long than should be expected. But, I also think it's helpful to think of it in terms of "Only 1 team gets to win the Super Bowl each year."
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Thank you brother...I too am from the same era as you, soon to be 45. I agree with all that you have said and found it refreshing that you compiled and put it into perspective. it looks as though several us are from that era by seeing couple responses after too. I guess I'm just tired..real tired of the organization and their BS.
Yes, because signing no one or overpaying are the ONLY two options. No other middle ground in there at all.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He's still a possibility, there was an issue with his physical, FYI.LMFAO...and you don't stop as this off-season free agency gets better and better...Bruce Campbell has now decided to not sign with Redskins.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think it's hard to draw a lot of conclusions about a press corner playing behind a great front seven and in front of the best free safety in football.
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