***OFFICIAL*** WHITE SOX THREAD (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

Ohhh man that bullpen was just tearing it up AGAIN last night. 20 something frigging games under .500 and we give that bum in the dugout a raise? More proof that Kenny Williams is a moron and has run this team into the ground but then again Einsteins up here think this is acceptable- remember never go out on a limb to think that the bullpen was bad. A truly pathetic season all around- the team, the coaches, the announcers (free pass for Farmer), the idiotic fans that love to see losing baseball....pathetic!

We?

We: people who pay to go to games?Great job Kenny, way to give Guillen 5 more years. This is going to be great.

 

[Widbil83]

Ohhh man that bullpen was just tearing it up AGAIN last night. 20 something frigging games under .500 and we give that bum in the dugout a raise? More proof that Kenny Williams is a moron and has run this team into the ground but then again Einsteins up here think this is acceptable- remember never go out on a limb to think that the bullpen was bad. A truly pathetic season all around- the team, the coaches, the announcers (free pass for Farmer), the idiotic fans that love to see losing baseball....pathetic!

We?

We: people who pay to go to games?Great job Kenny, way to give Guillen 5 more years. This is going to be great.

Spoken like a true Cub fan. Have fun winning the world series.

 

[Widbil83]

 

[Power Monster]

Yeah maybe we can get to that elusive 72 win season:

24.5 games back

34-41 at home

34-47 on the road

destroyed by the Cubs

laughed at and peed on by the Yankees and Red Sox

worst bullpen performance in the history of MLB

gave our manager a big raise for all his great work

keep putting trust in a foolish GM

I am certain that Limp Boy will be out there on fan appreciation day with his black and silver pom poms just hoping to get a glimpse of his man love Kenny!

 

[Limp Ditka]

Yeah maybe we can get to that elusive 72 win season:24.5 games back34-41 at home34-47 on the roaddestroyed by the Cubslaughed at and peed on by the Yankees and Red Soxworst bullpen performance in the history of MLBgave our manager a big raise for all his great workkeep putting trust in a foolish GM I am certain that Limp Boy will be out there on fan appreciation day with his black and silver pom poms just hoping to get a glimpse of his man love Kenny!

We?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Yeah maybe we can get to that elusive 72 win season:24.5 games back34-41 at home34-47 on the roaddestroyed by the Cubslaughed at and peed on by the Yankees and Red Soxworst bullpen performance in the history of MLBgave our manager a big raise for all his great workkeep putting trust in a foolish GM I am certain that Limp Boy will be out there on fan appreciation day with his black and silver pom poms just hoping to get a glimpse of his man love Kenny!

This sounds like a job for The Ambiguously Gay Duo of Steve Stone and A RodThey'll surely be able to solve all of the White Sox problems.

 

[Green94]

I'm going to the game on Friday, can't wait!

 

[Power Monster]

Tied for last now!

No one hitting close to .300 that I can see

2 more errors

Another great showing from the bull pen

Time for some more raises right Limp one?

Gee I wonder what they will do if players actually play up to their million dollar potential? It does not matter because limp guys go out there and applaude the rewards of a hard season's toil.

I bet they raise their ticket prices next season.

 

[Widbil83]

All great teams are allowed 90+ lose seasons every now and then.

 

[Power Monster]

All great teams are allowed 90+ lose seasons every now and then.

Yes but you have to find the problem and fix it. So based on this you think that the Sox can go into next year with the same team and turn it around? I have an issue with the leadership on this team. I was able to see clearly in May that Ozzie lost the heart of his players. This is not a team this is a meandering crew of over paid babies that did not care about playing hard. All you have to do is look up and down the lineup to see that. Garland, Cintron, the entire bull pen sans Bobby Jenks and Uribe all come to mind. Just dreadful. Dye gets a fat raise and he sure played up to it. I will be happy when the season is over and they sign A-rod! Ohhh they cannot do that. He is a loser. Carry on....

 

[Green94]

 

[Limp Ditka]

All great teams are allowed 90+ lose seasons every now and then.

Yes but you have to find the problem and fix it. So based on this you think that the Sox can go into next year with the same team and turn it around? I have an issue with the leadership on this team. I was able to see clearly in May that Ozzie lost the heart of his players. This is not a team this is a meandering crew of over paid babies that did not care about playing hard. All you have to do is look up and down the lineup to see that. Garland, Cintron, the entire bull pen sans Bobby Jenks and Uribe all come to mind. Just dreadful. Dye gets a fat raise and he sure played up to it. I will be happy when the season is over and they sign A-rod! Ohhh they cannot do that. He is a loser. Carry on....

Only an idiot would point out Garland as being a problem on this team. We'll let tonight be exhibit A.

 

[Widbil83]

All great teams are allowed 90+ lose seasons every now and then.

Yes but you have to find the problem and fix it. So based on this you think that the Sox can go into next year with the same team and turn it around? I have an issue with the leadership on this team. I was able to see clearly in May that Ozzie lost the heart of his players. This is not a team this is a meandering crew of over paid babies that did not care about playing hard. All you have to do is look up and down the lineup to see that. Garland, Cintron, the entire bull pen sans Bobby Jenks and Uribe all come to mind. Just dreadful. Dye gets a fat raise and he sure played up to it. I will be happy when the season is over and they sign A-rod! Ohhh they cannot do that. He is a loser. Carry on....

I was only kidding.

 

[Power Monster]

All great teams are allowed 90+ lose seasons every now and then.

Yes but you have to find the problem and fix it. So based on this you think that the Sox can go into next year with the same team and turn it around? I have an issue with the leadership on this team. I was able to see clearly in May that Ozzie lost the heart of his players. This is not a team this is a meandering crew of over paid babies that did not care about playing hard. All you have to do is look up and down the lineup to see that. Garland, Cintron, the entire bull pen sans Bobby Jenks and Uribe all come to mind. Just dreadful. Dye gets a fat raise and he sure played up to it. I will be happy when the season is over and they sign A-rod! Ohhh they cannot do that. He is a loser. Carry on....

I was only kidding.

I know just venting...

 

[Widbil83]

The team is finally starting to gel.

 

[Power Monster]

90 loss season! In the books. Big fat raise for AJ. I need to work for the Sox- you don't produce you get a big fat raise. Ohhh well let's see if Kenny boy can do something in the off season....

 

[Green94]

Terrible year

 

[Bobcat10]

The team is finally starting to gel.

Was this before or after the 10 run loss to close it down?Either way, it was a :very good posting:.

 

[Widbil83]

The team is finally starting to gel.

Was this before or after the 10 run loss to close it down?Either way, it was a :very good posting:.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

If Cleveland makes the World Series, that'll make it three straight seasons the AL Central leads the way.

I have faith in the White Sox minor league system. Chris Young has looked awesome in the post season.

 

[Green94]

Any chance the Sox can get Chris Young back?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Any chance the Sox can get Chris Young back?

About as likely as Grid watching game 6 of the 2005 ALDS in HD.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Tony Grafanino prevented that from happening.

 

[Power Monster]

If Cleveland makes the World Series, that'll make it three straight seasons the AL Central leads the way.I have faith in the White Sox minor league system. Chris Young has looked awesome in the post season.

Too bad that idiot Kenny Williams trades away all the talent or hires people on the major league level to run that talent into the ground. These guys fire Razor Shines? Yeah- the third base coach is to blame for that stinky lousy bullpen and those soft as honey hitters. Great decisions continue to show the intelligence of this team's upper management. Yeah- Hey Kenny- that's Chris Young tearing it up in the post season! He USED to be in our organization!

 

[Limp Ditka]

If Cleveland makes the World Series, that'll make it three straight seasons the AL Central leads the way.

I have faith in the White Sox minor league system. Chris Young has looked awesome in the post season.

Too bad that idiot Kenny Williams trades away all the talent or hires people on the major league level to run that talent into the ground. These guys fire Razor Shines? Yeah- the third base coach is to blame for that stinky lousy bullpen and those soft as honey hitters. Great decisions continue to show the intelligence of this team's upper management. Yeah- Hey Kenny- that's Chris Young tearing it up in the post season! He USED to be in our organization!

You again show how little you really know about baseball and the White Sox with these inane postings.All that talent Kenny traded away and the only one you can name is Chris Young. There is no other talent. The best there could possibly be, outside of Chris Young, is Brandon McCarthy if he can rebound from a injury filled year. He's kept all of the other talent in house. Fields, Sweeney, Broadway, the cream of the Sox system, still here, still in the pipeline to play at 35th and Bill Veeck Drive for years to come.

But you wouldn't know that unless you heard it on The Score

Oh, and BTW, guess whose post season just ended with yet another lacklaster effort to lead his team to yet another losing playoff series?

That's right, its your boy ARod

The same Arod that just finished this Ocotber with a robust .267 BA and one whole extra base hit, which was a meaningless jack tonight after the game was pretty much already out of hand. And in case you weren't paying attention, that RBI was his only one of the series, and first in 57 post season ABs. He hit .000 in 3 ABs with runners in scoring position during this series. And you know what he did each time he batted with a RISP? A big freakin K each and every time. And those 3 Ks weren't enough as he K'd 6 out of the 15 official ABs he had in this series.

3 ABs isn't a lot you say, well let's look at when they happened.

The first two were in game 2. A game that the Yankees lost 2-1 in extra innings. Both times A-rod could have made the difference in the game. That run the Indians scores in the bottom of the 8th, which allowed the game to go into extras, would have been meaningless. But A Rod K'd both times he had a chance to make a difference. Who could have predicted that?

3rd AB was tonight in game 4. Cleveland already scored 2 in the top of the 1st and the Yankees needed to answer. 1st and 2nd, one out and what does ARod do? Unbelievable, he K's again. This one was extra special too as it was against Paul Byrd who struck out a whole 88 batters this year in just under 200 innings of work. (Only 12 pitchers with 100 IPs had a lower K/9 rate this year 4.12) Arod decided to K in his next plate appearance agains Byrd too. And guess how manys K's Paul Byrd had tonight. That's right, it was 2.

So again, A Rod is a loser and is now 3-7 in post season series and 1-4 while with the mighty Yankees, probably the only team in baseball that can afford him while still fielding a team that is capable of making the playoffs.

And here's a little something I stumbled across on the MLB stats page while looking up some numbers on ARod tonight....

World Series Hitting Stats:

There is no World Series data available

Something tells me that's going to stay intact for quite some time. But hey, he'll have another regular season MVP to look at come November.

 

[Widbil83]

Limp what the heck? We need a player like A-rod to put up stud #'s all year and lay eggs in the post season. I hope he goes to the Scrubs, he will be a great fit. They can also have fun giving up the kings randsome to get him

 

[Power Monster]

If Cleveland makes the World Series, that'll make it three straight seasons the AL Central leads the way.

I have faith in the White Sox minor league system. Chris Young has looked awesome in the post season.

Too bad that idiot Kenny Williams trades away all the talent or hires people on the major league level to run that talent into the ground. These guys fire Razor Shines? Yeah- the third base coach is to blame for that stinky lousy bullpen and those soft as honey hitters. Great decisions continue to show the intelligence of this team's upper management. Yeah- Hey Kenny- that's Chris Young tearing it up in the post season! He USED to be in our organization!

You again show how little you really know about baseball and the White Sox with these inane postings.All that talent Kenny traded away and the only one you can name is Chris Young. There is no other talent. The best there could possibly be, outside of Chris Young, is Brandon McCarthy if he can rebound from a injury filled year. He's kept all of the other talent in house. Fields, Sweeney, Broadway, the cream of the Sox system, still here, still in the pipeline to play at 35th and Bill Veeck Drive for years to come.

But you wouldn't know that unless you heard it on The Score

Oh, and BTW, guess whose post season just ended with yet another lacklaster effort to lead his team to yet another losing playoff series?

That's right, its your boy ARod

The same Arod that just finished this Ocotber with a robust .267 BA and one whole extra base hit, which was a meaningless jack tonight after the game was pretty much already out of hand. And in case you weren't paying attention, that RBI was his only one of the series, and first in 57 post season ABs. He hit .000 in 3 ABs with runners in scoring position during this series. And you know what he did each time he batted with a RISP? A big freakin K each and every time. And those 3 Ks weren't enough as he K'd 6 out of the 15 official ABs he had in this series.

3 ABs isn't a lot you say, well let's look at when they happened.

The first two were in game 2. A game that the Yankees lost 2-1 in extra innings. Both times A-rod could have made the difference in the game. That run the Indians scores in the bottom of the 8th, which allowed the game to go into extras, would have been meaningless. But A Rod K'd both times he had a chance to make a difference. Who could have predicted that?

3rd AB was tonight in game 4. Cleveland already scored 2 in the top of the 1st and the Yankees needed to answer. 1st and 2nd, one out and what does ARod do? Unbelievable, he K's again. This one was extra special too as it was against Paul Byrd who struck out a whole 88 batters this year in just under 200 innings of work. (Only 12 pitchers with 100 IPs had a lower K/9 rate this year 4.12) Arod decided to K in his next plate appearance agains Byrd too. And guess how manys K's Paul Byrd had tonight. That's right, it was 2.

So again, A Rod is a loser and is now 3-7 in post season series and 1-4 while with the mighty Yankees, probably the only team in baseball that can afford him while still fielding a team that is capable of making the playoffs.

And here's a little something I stumbled across on the MLB stats page while looking up some numbers on ARod tonight....

World Series Hitting Stats:

There is no World Series data available

Something tells me that's going to stay intact for quite some time. But hey, he'll have another regular season MVP to look at come November.

A-rod the loser. Yes another MVP. A-rod will be lighting cigars with $100 bills while you just run yer mouth. A-Rod has played in all these post seasons while the mighty Sox have gone to how many? I will take A-rod any day of the week over any player on the WS. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK 7 DAYS A WEEK. Any time. Any place. Any field. Any clubhouse. Anywhere know it all. He is better than any player we have. You name me a better player on the WS? And that is Chris Young going to the NLCS and maybe the WS pal. Tearing it up and as you like it in the PLAYOFFS where it counts! BUT he is on a TEAM with PITCHING and a BULLPEN that can PITCH know it all. Get it? He is on a team that won more games than we LOST. He is not on the WS he is LONG GONE. You can try to eat my lunch all you want but all these GREAT players in OUR system have shown little and the one guy that has shown a lot is about to be shipped off to the learn to play LEFT FIELD and this could be a disaster. So while I post about how the SOX have fired coaches to save face and how they have given RAISES to players and MANAGERS that deserve a pink slip you go on and on and on about A-Rod.

Where was all that GREAT talent at this YEAR? LAST YEAR? Where will they be NEXT YEAR? You fill in the blanks. We have holes- the entire bullpen- fill that roster for me. I will give you a start BOBBY JENKS is the CLOSER. You fill in the rest with all that great talent and DO NOT EVEN COME HERE AND GIVE me those mayo arms that were just urinated on over and over from every team in the AL and the NL. Who is going to play left field? Center field? 2nd base, third base, short stop? Who is going to coach 3rd base? You have a lot of foam and bark but you offer NOTHING but venom. GRACE us with yer knowledge and I will be listening to the SCORE to get my info. MARK IT DOWN....

 

[Widbil83]

It's a long offseason.

 

[Power Monster]

Brandon McCarthy if he can rebound from a injury filled year

Ohhhh the excuses here from the Limp one. Injuries? INJURIES? He SUCKED! How many times did he go on the DL? Come on Limp. Let's see it. You have all the sources. You know it all. You prove over and over that you know baseball better than anyone on the Score. What do you work for ESPN? The WS? I am starting to think that you work for the WS. It sure makes sense. Are you that glorified WS spinster the RANGER? Could be with the nonsense that flows out of yer keyboard defending this lousy season put together by a GM that is 1 and DONE.

90 losses and you jump my boat anytime and everytime I post something. Let's see it. You tell me what we are going to do. I will be waiting and if I agree I will tell you I AGREE but if I do not I will blow it up. Grace us with your knowledge. It is a long off season when you just lost 90 games and you just about showed MLB that you were one of the bottom feeders of the league. BUT how dare anyone have ANYTHING to say about it.

Come on Limp- give me your solutions, your resolutions, your FIXES, your cunning strategies. A-rod is a loser but we now have the great Buddy Bell in the organization. Razor Shines is to blame for a 90 loss season. He coached third base but the manager of this ship wreck gets a BIG FAT RAISE. That makes sense in your world but not mine. Maybe you can call yer BOY Kenny. You seem to be on his speed dial. Enlighten me!

Don't bother coming here to tell me to relax or to get my facts straight. I want to hear it from you. The Limp one's game plan for 2008. You have the stage. You have the mic- yeah your dime yer dance floor. Make Stoney proud. Show me that you are better than Mac, Yurko and Harry. Make Mike North take a back seat. Run rough shod on Bruce Levine and Ed Farmer. Bores and Bernstein have nothing on you. Yer man love for Kenny will grow in leaps and bounds when he gushes with pride over your manifestations. You have all those studs down on the farm. All the free agents out there. You fix it know it all. Rock and roll 2008. Rowand? Hunter? Glavine? Eckstein? Uribe? A-rod (ohhh forget that loser).... ohhhh and speaking of A-Rod- I am still waiting for you to tell me who we have that is even worthy of holding his jock strap. Anyone? I will wait for that one. I will even go so far as to say that A-Rod is probably better than 98% of all the player in the history of the WS but he is not good enough for you. Go CLEVELAND!

 

[Limp Ditka]

Brandon McCarthy if he can rebound from a injury filled year

Ohhhh the excuses here from the Limp one. Injuries? INJURIES? He SUCKED! How many times did he go on the DL? Come on Limp. Let's see it. You have all the sources. You know it all. You prove over and over that you know baseball better than anyone on the Score. What do you work for ESPN? The WS? I am starting to think that you work for the WS. It sure makes sense. Are you that glorified WS spinster the RANGER? Could be with the nonsense that flows out of yer keyboard defending this lousy season put together by a GM that is 1 and DONE.

90 losses and you jump my boat anytime and everytime I post something. Let's see it. You tell me what we are going to do. I will be waiting and if I agree I will tell you I AGREE but if I do not I will blow it up. Grace us with your knowledge. It is a long off season when you just lost 90 games and you just about showed MLB that you were one of the bottom feeders of the league. BUT how dare anyone have ANYTHING to say about it.

Come on Limp- give me your solutions, your resolutions, your FIXES, your cunning strategies. A-rod is a loser but we now have the great Buddy Bell in the organization. Razor Shines is to blame for a 90 loss season. He coached third base but the manager of this ship wreck gets a BIG FAT RAISE. That makes sense in your world but not mine. Maybe you can call yer BOY Kenny. You seem to be on his speed dial. Enlighten me!

Don't bother coming here to tell me to relax or to get my facts straight. I want to hear it from you. The Limp one's game plan for 2008. You have the stage. You have the mic- yeah your dime yer dance floor. Make Stoney proud. Show me that you are better than Mac, Yurko and Harry. Make Mike North take a back seat. Run rough shod on Bruce Levine and Ed Farmer. Bores and Bernstein have nothing on you. Yer man love for Kenny will grow in leaps and bounds when he gushes with pride over your manifestations. You have all those studs down on the farm. All the free agents out there. You fix it know it all. Rock and roll 2008. Rowand? Hunter? Glavine? Eckstein? Uribe? A-rod (ohhh forget that loser).... ohhhh and speaking of A-Rod- I am still waiting for you to tell me who we have that is even worthy of holding his jock strap. Anyone? I will wait for that one. I will even go so far as to say that A-Rod is probably better than 98% of all the player in the history of the WS but he is not good enough for you. Go CLEVELAND!

It's not my job to put the game plan together your blathering fool. That's Kenny Williams job and I never said that I had the solutions, so why do you keep asking me for them? I also don't know the budget Kenny Williams has and I don't go around predicting the future anyway. I know what they need, and its so obvious, that even you have hit most of the major areas.I trust Kenny Williams to right the ship. He's won a World Series and was responsible in some way, shape or form of every single piece of that team. He's been an major part of this organziation for 13 years. Here's a quick breakdown of his positions within the White Sox over that time.

1995 - 1997: Director of Minor League Operations

1997 - 1999: Vice-President of Player Development

2000 - Current: General Manager

Do you know how many losing seasons they had in those 13 years? I do. You look up the answer and learn something yourself for once.

As for what you are wrong about.......

1. What's happened in the past

You want me to prove to you how to fix it. How about this? How about you answer my question and that's about what talent Kenny Williams has traded away. You rant and rave about it, yet all you got is one name, Chris Young. And we might as well just forget the fact that the ace of the White Sox staff for 2007 was what they got in return. Your little diatribe about McCarthy, that just proves my point, if he wasn't hurt, he really, really sucks and isn't major league talent. PSST, who traded him away? Kenny Williams did. Is this the talent you are talkingranting about being traded away? And since McCarthy was hurt, 2 DL stints during 2007 since you asked , my point about him is 100% valid he does have a chance to rebound from an injury plagued season. And if he does, it only helps bolster your case, but of course you're swinging and missing on this one like ARod in October.

So please, give me a list of talent Kenny Williams has traded away. You have to know them, you wax poetic about them non stop. GIVE ME NAMES!!!!!!!! Someone, anyone, besides of Chris Young. I know the other names, but I refuse to hand them out to you anymore. And do you know how I know that these names aren't ML talent? Because they aren't performing at the major league level and if by chance anyone is, they got a viable commondity in return for them (Rowand for Thome).

2. That A Rod and Steve Stone are the solution to the problem.

I will go and predict the future here. I know it's not my job, but since it's more common sense than anything, I'll go out on the limb. A Rod will eat up too much payroll (please listen this time, I'm starting to sound like a broken record because you're too damn dim to realize what you've been told 15 other times) for them to field a competitive team. How many holes have you pointed out here? You really think sinking about $30M into one player is going to fix all of them. It's not. It's basic common sense. This is the same situation that would happen with about 27 other teams. The White Sox simply can't afford to pay him and he will remain a loser if he comes here. And my posting about Arod just proves he's a loser. He' a choke artist. He can't perfrom when it counts most. And you know what you call someone that can't perform when the chips are down? That's right, a loser.

I'm not even going to address the Steve Stone thing again outside of this. He's done everything he can to get into a front office position with a ML team for about 20 years and has failed miserably. If that doesn't say enough about him, I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Power Monster]

It's not my job to put the game plan together your blathering fool. That's Kenny Williams job and I never said that I had the solutions, so why do you keep asking me for them? I also don't know the budget Kenny Williams has and I don't go around predicting the future anyway. I know what they need, and its so obvious, that even you have hit most of the major areas.

Ohhh yeah well you sure defend this guy with the gusto of a pauper looking after his prince. Come on Limp- easy to hit and run when someone jumps this chump for the great 90-loss season. What is in it for you? NOTHING- but one of the worst records in the history of the WS. Brutalized by so many teams this year. 90 losses is acceptable to you? Great. Are you in business? Do you run a business? BUDGET? Does this guy even know what to do with it? And ohhhh now you know what they need but in May when I jumped the team for what they needed you jumped me like I was attacking your little sister. The biggest thing this team needed was HEART but the leadership failed miserably and it showed in the box score, the bullpen, the dugout, the win loss record and up and down every city that the team bus pulled into waiting the beating that they were going to take. Everywhere but in the box office receipts. Business 101 FRIEND tells me that without leadership you FAIL! But what does Kenny do? He gives the leader of this team a big fat raise! Yes you have no clue about solutions but anything that is offered up you come a pouncing like a rabid dog. How dare anyone challenge the WS? Any Sox fan must know that they HAVE to accept a 90 loss season or else. The Yankees cruised into the playoffs but that was not enough to save the manager’s job. When you fail in the big city you go. The same with the Cards- see ya. Not here. We give out raises and fire the third base coach!

I trust Kenny Williams to right the ship.

I don’t! Right his own ship! That is classic. I trust the man that drove it into the ground to come back and right the ship. KC was pushing us to the last game of the season for last place and righting the ship means hiring the manager that just guided the Royals to last place. Ohhhh boy!

He's won a World Series and was responsible in some way, shape or form of every single piece of that team. He's been a major part of this organization for 13 years.

Great but we are talking about two seasons removed and we went from being the peacock to the feather duster fast. You are tripping over your man love to give him credit but when he blew this thing up you defend him as if your life depended on it. What gives ohhh Limp one?

Do you know how many losing seasons they had in those 13 years? I do. You look up the answer and learn something yourself for once.

All I know is one thing- 1 WS championship in those years, which means he failed 12 years. And now we are still tossing the lime on the stench of that great 90-loss season but you keep singing his praises.

As for what you are wrong about.......

1. What's happened in the past

You want me to prove to you how to fix it. How about this? How about you answer my question and that's about what talent Kenny Williams has traded away. You rant and rave about it, yet all you got is one name, Chris Young. And we might as well just forget the fact that the ace of the White Sox staff for 2007 was what they got in return. Your little diatribe about McCarthy, that just proves my point, if he wasn't hurt, he really, really sucks and isn't major league talent. PSST, who traded him away? Kenny Williams did. Is this the talent you are talkingranting about being traded away? And since McCarthy was hurt, 2 DL stints during 2007 since you asked , my point about him is 100% valid he does have a chance to rebound from an injury plagued season. And if he does, it only helps bolster your case, but of course you're swinging and missing on this one like ARod in October.

Hmmmm well THAT is Chris Young leadoff hitter with 30 HRs. That is one piece of the pie missing from our 90-loss team. Wow! We get our ace. 15 game winner in a year in which we had 90 losses. Where was Mr. 15 game winner last year when we needed him? Ohhh he was Mr. 11-12 with a 4.84 ERA so what does yer boy do? Well in grand Kenny boy fashion- he gives him a big FAT RAISE 34.5 million dollar deal. Nice. Like I said- I need to work for these guys.

Then there is the great McCarthy move. The cunning crafty move of yer boy. WoW! He just knew that he was going to be fleecing the Rangers. We get John Danks but the great thing here is they had very similar stinky seasons. Two stints on the DL? So what. You moan on and on like this guy was in ICU all year. Two stints on the DL and he still managed to put up the same numbers as Danks but you owned me? OK- Kenny traded him away. In a 90 loss season when he dished out raises to all the guys that deserved a raise you pull out this gem. If this is his major accomplishment I just do not know what to tell you other than to get a clue. Yeah you owned me. Cute. Ohhh I forgot about Nick. He really helped solidify that bullpen this year! Thumbs up champ!

Aaron Rowand. Yes this is a 1st round pick. A young up and coming player we did not need. Plays sound defense and has the ability to hit 25 plus HRs. Has HUGE heart and playoff experience and WS experience. So what does our BOY do? He breaks up the chemistry of that WS team and decides to get a DH when we already had a DH. The last time I checked Rowand helped his team to the playoffs and posted the same numbers as Mr. 500. Incidentally- the man that WAS our DH was bum rushed out of town as fast as the champagne dried because Kenny had no need for him. He just went out there and posted some solid numbers two years in a row. So we had our DH and center fielder (another missing piece of the pie) shuffled out for a DH and a mess in center field. Which reminds me- how is your guy goldie locks doing this year? Ohhh and that tribute to Big Frank from the WS was just something that brought a tear to my eye. Tears for watching him get run out of town on a rail. But we did have that great day for big Jim. That was one of the two top highlights of the year!

Mags Ordonez. Well we did not have to watch Kenny boy just make trades to screw us out of the homegrown talent that we had. The current AL champ is just KILLING pitching in the AL but Kenny just could not see fit to pay him that extra bit to keep him around. While Dye helped us get to the WS and he did drive in that big run showcasing OZZIE BALL at it’s best we sure did let go of a huge piece of the pie. Bad move Kenny very bad move! Mags wanted a little bit more but you needed that money for the guys that were not producing.

Carlos Lee is yet another missing piece of the pie. Our left fielder went packing to get the speed we needed for OZZIE BALL and while I like Pods I thought we gave up WAY too much and the proof is again in the pudding. BAD trade!

So I will take Lee in left, Thomas at DH, Rowand in center, Mags in right!

Mike Cameron and Paulie appear to be a wash.

2. That A Rod and Steve Stone are the solution to the problem.

I will go and predict the future here. I know it's not my job, but since it's more common sense than anything, I'll go out on the limb. A Rod will eat up too much payroll (please listen this time, I'm starting to sound like a broken record because you're too damn dim to realize what you've been told 15 other times) for them to field a competitive team. How many holes have you pointed out here? You really think sinking about $30M into one player is going to fix all of them. It's not. It's basic common sense. This is the same situation that would happen with about 27 other teams. The White Sox simply can't afford to pay him and he will remain a loser if he comes here. And my posting about Arod just proves he's a loser. He' a choke artist. He can't perfrom when it counts most. And you know what you call someone that can't perform when the chips are down? That's right, a loser.

A loser? Talk about a broken record. The man just hit .314, 54 HR and 156 RBI and he is a loser. OK. You win. Again name me one player on this WS team that can even come close to A-Rod? NO ONE. No one can. Like I said- he cannot do it all but I guess that when you say that he should he must have been the man that single handedly got the YANKEES to the playoffs. What were we doing with our spare time after the glory of 90 losses? Giving out raises to the guys that needed a pink slip- all the money that we could use to get him here. In baseball there is a scenario where one man makes a difference and that is the GM. Our GM sacked up and was taking the blame. I will give him that. You seem to igone it but I do not! While I want him gone- I know he is here so I have to deal with it. If he can turn it around I will be the first one here eating crow but he MUST gt us to the playoffs or else....

The Sox cannot afford A-Rod? Ohhh I thought that you were not up on budgets hot shot? You sure talk in circles. They can afford it. They sold a lot of beers and cokes this year plus we have the great John Danks and all that talent coming up to fix those holes and keep payroll down. You said it yourself. We are loaded and that is why I keep asking you to fill in the blanks. But you can’t because you know it is a mess. The Astros can toss C. Lee 100 million a year after going to the WS (and losing) but we cannot give A-Rod 30? I have even heard on the SCORE that Kenny would love to have A-Rod here. You might want to check into that one. Get back to me.

I'm not even going to address the Steve Stone thing again outside of this. He's done everything he can to get into a front office position with a ML team for about 20 years and has failed miserably. If that doesn't say enough about him, I don't know what else to tell you.

Not going to address it? You just did FRIEND. Everything that he can? How many GM positions open up on a regular basis? Not too many. 20 years? OK I will take your word for it. You sure have been on the money all along. Answer this- you have defended this guy like he was a king. Why? Just look at the record- 90 losses!

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[Limp Ditka]

Aaron Rowand. Yes this is a 1st round pick. A young up and coming player we did not need. Plays sound defense and has the ability to hit 25 plus HRs. Has HUGE heart and playoff experience and WS experience. So what does our BOY do? He breaks up the chemistry of that WS team and decides to get a DH when we already had a DH. The last time I checked Rowand helped his team to the playoffs and posted the same numbers as Mr. 500. Incidentally- the man that WAS our DH was bum rushed out of town as fast as the champagne dried because Kenny had no need for him. He just went out there and posted some solid numbers two years in a row. So we had our DH and center fielder (another missing piece of the pie) shuffled out for a DH and a mess in center field. Which reminds me- how is your guy goldie locks doing this year? Ohhh and that tribute to Big Frank from the WS was just something that brought a tear to my eye. Tears for watching him get run out of town on a rail. But we did have that great day for big Jim. That was one of the two top highlights of the year!

I'll give you this one, but.....

To call Rowand up and coming is silly. He was 28 at the time of the trade. And trust me, you weren't #####ing that he was gone last year when he hit .261/12/47

I still don't see this as being a bad move at the time when you talk Rowand v Thome 2005. The lineup needed a left handed power bat and that's what they got. They miscalculated on Brian Anderson and all teams make mistakes. Brian Anderson not performing allowed this to snowball into what could be considered a bad trade.

Mags Ordonez. Well we did not have to watch Kenny boy just make trades to screw us out of the homegrown talent that we had. The current AL champ is just KILLING pitching in the AL but Kenny just could not see fit to pay him that extra bit to keep him around. While Dye helped us get to the WS and he did drive in that big run showcasing OZZIE BALL at it’s best we sure did let go of a huge piece of the pie. Bad move Kenny very bad move! Mags wanted a little bit more but you needed that money for the guys that were not producing.

FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!!!

Mags could be on his 3rd MVP season in Detroit and it still would have been a good move to not sign him considering all of the circumstances involved with the mystery knee surgery and being told no to giving him a physical.

As for Dye vs Ordonez.... Are you kidding me? Please look at the big picture here. Mags has had one great year in Detriot, 2006 was below average for Mags, and he missed the majority of 2005. Here's the 3 year average of each player. We'll just forget about the fact that Dye made half of what Mags did (not a little bit more) over that time span, while winning a WS MVP, and let you be 100% wrong on numbers alone.

Player AB R H 1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA OBP SLG Dye, Jermaine RF CHW 533 88 152 88 28 3 33 95 49 115 7 3 0.2852 0.3491 0.5347 Ordonez, Magglio RF DET 367 51 109 75 19 1 14 62 30 48 0 2 0.2970 0.3515 0.4687Carlos Lee is yet another missing piece of the pie. Our left fielder went packing to get the speed we needed for OZZIE BALL and while I like Pods I thought we gave up WAY too much and the proof is again in the pudding. BAD trade! Wrong And any other trade you want to mention being bad that led to a player, or players, that contributed to them winning it all in 2005 will also be wrong.

It was not a bad trade. It got Pods, it got Vizcaino (convienent of you to forget that. Hell, you probably didn't know it in the first place so how could you forget it?) and it got rid of a clubhouse cancer that was going to cost about 8X what Pods does alone when his FA year came up. The idea is to win, and win now and that trade made 2005 possible. A banner that says World Series Champion is up at The Cell because of it. You also can't predict injuries and injuries have been a big time problem with Pods over the last 2 years.

So I will take Lee in left, Thomas at DH, Rowand in center, Mags in right!

And you'll have zero World Championships.

Mike Cameron and Paulie appear to be a wash.

WRONG AGAIN!!!!

Technically this was a Ron Schueler move, but thanks for showing how little you know, again.

But, A wash? Dear god, you really are this dumb, aren't you? While a fine fielder, Cameron has always had terrible plate discipline and is a lifetime .250 hitter. Meanwhile, Konerko has averaged about .285 with 30 HRs a year while with the WS, played gold glove caliber 1B, and been an anchor for this team for almost a decade. Cameron for Konerko was a flat out steal.

You pointed out 4 players that you think were bad moves by Kenny Williams. I've proven, with facts, that you were wrong on 3 of them.

Will you realize this or just rant and rave some more? I'm guessing its the latter.

 

[Wrigley]

 

[Power Monster]

I'll give you this one, but.....

To call Rowand up and coming is silly. He was 28 at the time of the trade. And trust me, you weren't #####ing that he was gone last year when he hit .261/12/47

I still don't see this as being a bad move at the time when you talk Rowand v Thome 2005. The lineup needed a left handed power bat and that's what they got. They miscalculated on Brian Anderson and all teams make mistakes. Brian Anderson not performing allowed this to snowball into what could be considered a bad trade.

Ohhh up and coming means he has to be young? Even when your stubborn mind admits to NOT being wrong but seeing a different viewpoint you manipulate the facts to suit yourself. Deep down you know you wished that you had this guy back. It was one of the biggest blunders in the history of this team. Goldie locks was a bust as well as the others that he miscalculated all year long in 2007. You can go check the bullpen Limpy. Start with every name after Bobby Jenks. Besides we had FRANK and ROWAND and they both ran numbers around Thome and anything in center the last two seasons.

FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!!!

Mags could be on his 3rd MVP season in Detroit and it still would have been a good move to not sign him considering all of the circumstances involved with the mystery knee surgery and being told no to giving him a physical.

But we move into the 2007 season with Erstad and Crede being nothing but liabilities as well as Pods? Flat out wrong? BS. You can have Dye and I will take Mags. You want to stretch numbers go for it. I will use last year as my indicator. Go post a poll on who anyone would rather have Mags or Dye and watch that thing be 98% in favor of Mags. Church is out on this debate...

Wrong And any other trade you want to mention being bad that led to a player, or players, that contributed to them winning it all in 2005 will also be wrong.

It was not a bad trade. It got Pods, it got Vizcaino (convienent of you to forget that. Hell, you probably didn't know it in the first place so how could you forget it?) and it got rid of a clubhouse cancer that was going to cost about 8X what Pods does alone when his FA year came up. The idea is to win, and win now and that trade made 2005 possible. A banner that says World Series Champion is up at The Cell because of it. You also can't predict injuries and injuries have been a big time problem with Pods over the last 2 years.

Ohhh yeah I knew that got Vizcaino but where is he at these days? What has he done for you lately? Nothing- just like Pods and he knew that he was an injury risk before making that trade. Clubhouse cancer? You ought to know because you are in the clubhouse all day every day know it all. Just like you know that Frank is a clubhouse cancer. While I concede that we won a WS Championship and Pods was a big part of OZZIE BALL I cared very little about that trade and if all we needed was a cheap player that can steal bases it sure did come at a high price. For a guy that ripped me a new one for OZZIE BALL you sure come a running to defend it. Again- who would you rather have Lee or Pods on the WS? I will take Lee.

And you'll have zero World Championships.

How do you know? I thought you said that you cannot predict the future and you look into a crystal ball more than a fortune-teller. Two of these 4 guys were on a WS Championship team for the 2005 Chicago White Sox. Maybe with these guys we lose 70 games instead of 90. Maybe we can have a guy- just one guy in the lineup that can hit over .300. He gutted the system and the proof is in a 90-loss season.

WRONG AGAIN!!!!

Technically this was a Ron Schueler move, but thanks for showing how little you know, again.

Arrogance will get you no where and this is why you take a beating up and down these boards. You defend a 90-loss season like your life depends on it. I am laughing hard about this one. Why just yesterday- you proudly posted Kenny Boy’s tenure all over the place like a gushing bride but now TECHNICALLY it was Ron Schueler that made this move. OK- it sure has all the ear-marks of a man that wants to deal a quality center fielder away to get a slow footed DH. So is it Kenny or is it Ron? You must know. I will give this one to you.

But, A wash? Dear god, you really are this dumb, aren't you? While a fine fielder, Cameron has always had terrible plate discipline and is a lifetime .250 hitter. Meanwhile, Konerko has averaged about .285 with 30 HRs a year while with the WS, played gold glove caliber 1B, and been an anchor for this team for almost a decade. Cameron for Konerko was a flat out steal.

Flat out steal? One player can steal and one player runs like he has flat feet. We have no center fielder but we have the slowest MLB player in the history of the game. Mr. Double play. 9 years of HRs in the bottom of the 8th when we are getting blown out and 1 year in which we won it all. I see a huge GAP between .250 and .285 just massive! The same with the HRs per average 22 vs 30 is a huge gap but wait know it all- you seem to have forgotten about STOLEN BASES! And ohhhh the Gold Gloves. Who has 3 and who has none?

You pointed out 4 players that you think were bad moves by Kenny Williams. I've proven, with facts, that you were wrong on 3 of them.

Will you realize this or just rant and rave some more? I'm guessing its the latter.

You proved with facts that I was wrong on none of these. But the main thing is we have a banner and there will be no way in heck to say that if these guys were here then that we could have won it all. But the point here is that Kenny gutted the talent here and you proved that he may have not had a hand in the Cam/Paulie deal but I think that he did. I will tell you that with Lee, Thomas, Rowand and Mags this team is a powerhouse for years but the main thrust of this team’s ability to win was always in the pitching and timely or power hitting. Certainly a combo of all three to win it all with OZZIE BALL but now we are old, broken and filled with young players that are not ready. A season in which Kenny BOY said that we were not going to be rebuilding. This is a 90 LOSS SEASON PAL! DEFEND IT until you are blue in the face.

Keep trying to prove to me that some of the best players in MLB are not the victims of Kenny gutting the system. Keep telling me that stiffs like Danks, Goldie Locks, that stinky bull pen (which smells like a shimp scooner in August) and Uribe are the answer. 90 losses pal. You can keep trying. I hope that I am wrong next year with this guy. I will eat crow all day long but I just do not see it unless he breaks the bank!

 

[Power Monster]

You gonna choke on this pop corn the way yer boys did YET AGAIN?

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'll give you this one, but.....

To call Rowand up and coming is silly. He was 28 at the time of the trade. And trust me, you weren't #####ing that he was gone last year when he hit .261/12/47

I still don't see this as being a bad move at the time when you talk Rowand v Thome 2005. The lineup needed a left handed power bat and that's what they got. They miscalculated on Brian Anderson and all teams make mistakes. Brian Anderson not performing allowed this to snowball into what could be considered a bad trade.

Ohhh up and coming means he has to be young? Even when your stubborn mind admits to NOT being wrong but seeing a different viewpoint you manipulate the facts to suit yourself. Deep down you know you wished that you had this guy back. It was one of the biggest blunders in the history of this team. Goldie locks was a bust as well as the others that he miscalculated all year long in 2007. You can go check the bullpen Limpy. Start with every name after Bobby Jenks. Besides we had FRANK and ROWAND and they both ran numbers around Thome and anything in center the last two seasons.

Who the #### in goldie locks? You have some seriosuly ######ed nicknames for these guys.

Would I love to see Rowand back with the White Sox? Yes, I've admitted it before and I'll admit it again. But let's be realisitic, Aaron Rowand has had 2 good seasons in his career and one of them happened to be this year. Jim Thome is a potential Hall of Famer, member of the 500 HR club and still puting up damn good numbers. Outside of the hole it left at CF, you can't tell me that 39HR/102RBIs you've gotten from Thome is worth nothing. Thome has out hit, out slugged, out OBPd and out performed Rowand in every offensive aspect of the game except your beloved SBs. Frank is gone. Frank is history. Why? Because he tried burning the bridge so many times management finally let him do it. He was not coming back to this team no matter what. You can blame it on whoever you want, but the fact is he was never playing another game for this team because of his actions, not someone elses.

FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!!!

Mags could be on his 3rd MVP season in Detroit and it still would have been a good move to not sign him considering all of the circumstances involved with the mystery knee surgery and being told no to giving him a physical.

But we move into the 2007 season with Erstad and Crede being nothing but liabilities as well as Pods? Flat out wrong? BS. You can have Dye and I will take Mags. You want to stretch numbers go for it. I will use last year as my indicator. Go post a poll on who anyone would rather have Mags or Dye and watch that thing be 98% in favor of Mags. Church is out on this debate...

Church is not out. It was not a bad move. It was a bush league move by Mags and his representation to not allow a physical. End of story. Also, convienent of you to cut and splice all of the gory details that show how wrong you are on this. You go ahead and live in 2007. I live in the reality of the time Mags left and what his replacement has done over that timespan.

Wrong And any other trade you want to mention being bad that led to a player, or players, that contributed to them winning it all in 2005 will also be wrong.

It was not a bad trade. It got Pods, it got Vizcaino (convienent of you to forget that. Hell, you probably didn't know it in the first place so how could you forget it?) and it got rid of a clubhouse cancer that was going to cost about 8X what Pods does alone when his FA year came up. The idea is to win, and win now and that trade made 2005 possible. A banner that says World Series Champion is up at The Cell because of it. You also can't predict injuries and injuries have been a big time problem with Pods over the last 2 years.

Ohhh yeah I knew that got Vizcaino but where is he at these days? What has he done for you lately? Nothing- just like Pods and he knew that he was an injury risk before making that trade. Clubhouse cancer? You ought to know because you are in the clubhouse all day every day know it all. Just like you know that Frank is a clubhouse cancer. While I concede that we won a WS Championship and Pods was a big part of OZZIE BALL I cared very little about that trade and if all we needed was a cheap player that can steal bases it sure did come at a high price. For a guy that ripped me a new one for OZZIE BALL you sure come a running to defend it. Again- who would you rather have Lee or Pods on the WS? I will take Lee.

And what has Lee done for the Brewers lately? Look at the trade for what it was at the time and how the teams actually involved in the trade faired because of it. Lee's on his 3rd team post WS. I wonder why. (note the lack of a ? there) Meanwhile, the WS have a World Series. One that was by a team that Kenny Williams constructed in a large part to this trade.

I'd also take a healthy Pods over Lee any day. Especially with the way this team is built. The last thing we need is another swing for the fence, station to station guy on this team. Who's going to hit leadoff for you? Who'd going to set the table for the big boppers? Again, the last thing we need is another big bat in this lineup.

.

And you'll have zero World Championships.

How do you know? I thought you said that you cannot predict the future and you look into a crystal ball more than a fortune-teller. Two of these 4 guys were on a WS Championship team for the 2005 Chicago White Sox. Maybe with these guys we lose 70 games instead of 90. Maybe we can have a guy- just one guy in the lineup that can hit over .300. He gutted the system and the proof is in a 90-loss season.

What, there's no proof in the 7 .500 or better seasons leading up to this year? Jesus H Christ are you dim. It's one season out of 8. Do you know how many teams haven't had a 90 loss season in the last 8 years?

WRONG AGAIN!!!!

Technically this was a Ron Schueler move, but thanks for showing how little you know, again.

Arrogance will get you no where and this is why you take a beating up and down these boards. You defend a 90-loss season like your life depends on it. I am laughing hard about this one. Why just yesterday- you proudly posted Kenny Boy’s tenure all over the place like a gushing bride but now TECHNICALLY it was Ron Schueler that made this move. OK- it sure has all the ear-marks of a man that wants to deal a quality center fielder away to get a slow footed DH. So is it Kenny or is it Ron? You must know. I will give this one to you.

But, A wash? Dear god, you really are this dumb, aren't you? While a fine fielder, Cameron has always had terrible plate discipline and is a lifetime .250 hitter. Meanwhile, Konerko has averaged about .285 with 30 HRs a year while with the WS, played gold glove caliber 1B, and been an anchor for this team for almost a decade. Cameron for Konerko was a flat out steal.

Flat out steal? One player can steal and one player runs like he has flat feet. We have no center fielder but we have the slowest MLB player in the history of the game. Mr. Double play. 9 years of HRs in the bottom of the 8th when we are getting blown out and 1 year in which we won it all. I see a huge GAP between .250 and .285 just massive! The same with the HRs per average 22 vs 30 is a huge gap but wait know it all- you seem to have forgotten about STOLEN BASES! And ohhhh the Gold Gloves. Who has 3 and who has none?



"Arrogance will get you no where" Yeah, and ignorance is doing wonders for yourself.

If you don't see a massive gap between .250 and .285, you're a idiot. And since when are power hitting corner infielders expected to steal as many bases as a CF? And if you're going to use the timings of Konerko's HRs as a defense, please give exact details instead of some BS statement like that. It makes you look even more foolish than you are.

You pointed out 4 players that you think were bad moves by Kenny Williams. I've proven, with facts, that you were wrong on 3 of them.

Will you realize this or just rant and rave some more? I'm guessing its the latter.

You proved with facts that I was wrong on none of these. But the main thing is we have a banner and there will be no way in heck to say that if these guys were here then that we could have won it all. But the point here is that Kenny gutted the talent here and you proved that he may have not had a hand in the Cam/Paulie deal but I think that he did. I will tell you that with Lee, Thomas, Rowand and Mags this team is a powerhouse for years but the main thrust of this team’s ability to win was always in the pitching and timely or power hitting. Certainly a combo of all three to win it all with OZZIE BALL but now we are old, broken and filled with young players that are not ready. A season in which Kenny BOY said that we were not going to be rebuilding. This is a 90 LOSS SEASON PAL! DEFEND IT until you are blue in the face.

Keep trying to prove to me that some of the best players in MLB are not the victims of Kenny gutting the system. Keep telling me that stiffs like Danks, Goldie Locks, that stinky bull pen (which smells like a shimp scooner in August) and Uribe are the answer. 90 losses pal. You can keep trying. I hope that I am wrong next year with this guy. I will eat crow all day long but I just do not see it unless he breaks the bank!

I guess it's the latter. Real shocker here.

Who's defending a 90 win season? I'm defending the proven track record of a GM that's coming off ONE bad season.

You call Thome a stiff, yet he's put up numbers better than you're beloved Always Hurt has over the last 2 years. And Aaron Rowand is not one of the best players in the league. He's a great defensive CF that's having a career year. Speaking of career years, I think I saw Mags just walk by with a wallet twice the size of Jermaine Dye's.

I'm done with you. You're as thick and as smart as a brick. Your reading comprehension skills suck, your baseball acumen is pedestrian and even when you are shown you are wrong you refuse to even bend because you don't even understand what you are looking at.

 

[Wrigley]

You gonna choke on this pop corn the way yer boys did YET AGAIN?

 

[Limp Ditka]

OK, I lied. I'm not done with you. Why, you ask? Well, because the ownage continues.

Here's your beloved Steve Stone on the radio today

http://podcast.670thescore.com/wscr/712566.mp3

Exact quote from Steve Stone

"There's a lot of great, young Assistant General Managers that are infinitely qualified, much more so than I......"

So, wait. Is this right? Even Steve Stone knows he doesn't have what it takes to be a General Manager of a major league team.

Now all of baseball knows it, Steve Stone knows it, so tell me, what's your problem in realizing it?

So let's summarize........

ARod has 1 RBI in his last 50 something post season ABs. Is 1 and 4 in post season series while with a team with the highest payroll in baseball history and is not going to have a championship of any kind for yet another year.

and

Steve Stone admits he doesn't have what it takes to be GM.

Thank goodness you have no say in what happens at 35th and Veeck.

 

[Power Monster]

Who the #### in goldie locks? You have some seriosuly ######ed nicknames for these guys.

That is yer boy Brain Anderson...

Would I love to see Rowand back with the White Sox? Yes, I've admitted it before and I'll admit it again. But let's be realisitic, Aaron Rowand has had 2 good seasons in his career and one of them happened to be this year. Jim Thome is a potential Hall of Famer, member of the 500 HR club and still puting up damn good numbers. Outside of the hole it left at CF, you can't tell me that 39HR/102RBIs you've gotten from Thome is worth nothing. Thome has out hit, out slugged, out OBPd and out performed Rowand in every offensive aspect of the game except your beloved SBs. Frank is gone. Frank is history. Why? Because he tried burning the bridge so many times management finally let him do it. He was not coming back to this team no matter what. You can blame it on whoever you want, but the fact is he was never playing another game for this team because of his actions, not someone elses.

Out hit and in every offensive category? Not so fast

Look at the numbers:

Rowand .309 27 HR 89 RBI 105 runs

Thome .275 35 HR 96 RBI 79 runs

39 HRs? 102 RBIs? When? Where? Who?

Rowand is playing center field while Jim is taking a seat in the dugout.

My point here is Frank has close to the same numbers as Thome. Rowand has the same numbers. Rowand + Frank > than Thome + anyone in center field TWO YEARS RUNNING. While Thome is going to the HOF he did his damage pounding our pitching for years. Great guy. HOF. But we had a DH AND a center fielder. Not just a DH.

I can care less if Frank was a problem- he is productive. Is AJ a problem? Was he a saint in that dugout this year? No. It happens. Frank helped us get a RING. Thome is still looking for that.

Church is not out. It was not a bad move. It was a bush league move by Mags and his representation to not allow a physical. End of story. Also, convienent of you to cut and splice all of the gory details that show how wrong you are on this. You go ahead and live in 2007. I live in the reality of the time Mags left and what his replacement has done over that timespan.

Yes it is. You wanted to tell me Dye was the man over Mags. Fine. You can have Dye. I will take Mags. This guy has had 3 of ten seasons where he batted under .300 and by mere points. A lifetime career batting average of .312. All the gory details of what? This is a prime example of another stud long gone and to make matters worse he is now killing us in our division! Dye was a stop gap for Kenny’s disloyalty to Mags and NO ONE even yourself wanted to see Mage go. Kenny got his panties in a bunch just like with Frank. Big Ego because he sucked as a player. Again you can have Dye and I will take Mags all day any day!

And what has Lee done for the Brewers lately? Look at the trade for what it was at the time and how the teams actually involved in the trade faired because of it. Lee's on his 3rd team post WS. I wonder why. (note the lack of a ? there) Meanwhile, the WS have a World Series. One that was by a team that Kenny Williams constructed in a large part to this trade.

I'd also take a healthy Pods over Lee any day. Especially with the way this team is built. The last thing we need is another swing for the fence, station to station guy on this team. Who's going to hit leadoff for you? Who'd going to set the table for the big boppers? Again, the last thing we need is another big bat in this lineup.

Here we go again. You can have Pods I will take Lee. It is that simple. The price was too high. Lee is a stud as well. Pods is not. When healthy, he is a good player but when he was healthy this year he was dropped in the order and even placed on waivers. Kenny saying goodbye again. The same with Mags I guess- you get hurt you fall out of favor. Look at Crede. Kenny was bent out of shape becaue he did not get his back surgery. HELLO THIS IS THE SPINE we are talking about. You don't go rushinjg into a back surgery KENNY. Lee is yet more proof of what was wrong with what Kenny did. If we needed a leadoff hitter you part ways with your left and right fielder in the same year? These are two studs that are playing very well. How did the Brewers make out on that deal? I see it- time will tell. The studs are gone. End of story. We suck and they are playing great. Again you can have Pods and I will take Lee.

What, there's no proof in the 7 .500 or better seasons leading up to this year? Jesus H Christ are you dim. It's one season out of 8. Do you know how many teams haven't had a 90 loss season in the last 8 years?

Which takes us full circle as to why you jumped my ### in the first place. 90 losses is PATHETIC. You accept it I DO NOT! How do you go from being a major contender to the doormat of the AL? This team has no HEART. They dialed it in pal. Bad leadership. You saw it in the body language. You saw it in the errors and the lack of teamwork. the bullpen and the batting average. They were in the cellar in a lot of offensive cats while the studs we had were filling up the box score night after night after night. Too many guys were playing Lone Ranger on this team. I have never seen a team go from being able to bunt to not bunting at all. I am dim? OK If we come back here next year with 80 losses you will hem and haw about how this was an improvement. 7 of 8 this and 2 of ten that. Hey pal- right here right now. Look at the results. We were done in MAY! You see the holes- you know who we had and where they are at now. We did not get good returns overall. We have been over this. We had very short term results but now we are rebuilding. Kenny has said we are not rebuilding in 2008. Let’s see if that is the case. I hope that I am wrong.

"Arrogance will get you no where" Yeah, and ignorance is doing wonders for yourself.

This is why you go on ignore. You see facts you want comparisons you get them and then you spin it all you want. We are just limp and weak up the middle PERIOD. From hitting to defense to batting. Right now we are looking at the facts of a 90-loss season and with the current players I just do not see it turning around. Maybe Richard at second? Maybe AJ? But that is two more question marks on a 90-loss team loaded with question marks. You can call me stupid, dim and ignorant but the facts are what they are. 90 losses with top studs from our organization tearing it up while we search for answers. If you cannot see that you never will.

If you don't see a massive gap between .250 and .285, you're a idiot. And since when are power hitting corner infielders expected to steal as many bases as a CF? And if you're going to use the timings of Konerko's HRs as a defense, please give exact details instead of some BS statement like that. It makes you look even more foolish than you are.

Yeah that is massive. .035. I am splitting hairs with you about how .035 is a massive gap between two players? And now I am going to go pull more proofs out about how Paulie the overrated one hits meaningless HRs? Mr. Double play? No gold gloves. Lousy season! Mr. Pop up! Another big bat but up top you were using the BIG BAT as an excuse for letting Mags, Frank and Lee fly. You talk in circles. The last I checked I saw Ozzie and AJ running around with fat wallets. One for being the manager to a 90-loss season. The other guy could not throw out Paulie. The guys with the fat wallets are guys like A-Rod, Lee, Mags and soon to be Rowand. They produce! One guy is going to be MVP. One guys is going to be runner up to MVP. But I guess they all had career years. When you are a great player it is a career year but when you suck it is an off year. OK. And where did I say that Thome was a stiff? Child’s play!

Who is next? Is there anyone here that wants to defend Kenny Williams? Is there anyone here that wants to tell me that A-Rod sucks? Is there anyone here that would rather have- Goldie Locks, Erstad, Andy Gonzalez or Owens over Rowand or Chris Young? Anyone want to tell me that we let not ONE BUT TWO starting center fielders go and why that makes sense? Jim Thome over Frank Thomas? Pods over Carlos Lee. Dye over Mags? Anyone else want to come here and defend all those great arms in that stink filled bullpen we got in return? Anyone want to tell me that it is OK to have a 90-loss season? Anyone else want to belly ache about how much money studs get paid for producing year in and year out? Anyone else want to defend giving the manager of a 90-loss season a raise? You go run and hide Limpy. You see the numbers you see the results. You have nothing but the same thing I have 90 losses and a GM that is a bum!

 

[Power Monster]

OK, I lied. I'm not done with you. Why, you ask? Well, because the ownage continues.

Here's your beloved Steve Stone on the radio today

http://podcast.670thescore.com/wscr/712566.mp3

Exact quote from Steve Stone

"There's a lot of great, young Assistant General Managers that are infinitely qualified, much more so than I......"

So, wait. Is this right? Even Steve Stone knows he doesn't have what it takes to be a General Manager of a major league team.

Now all of baseball knows it, Steve Stone knows it, so tell me, what's your problem in realizing it?

So let's summarize........

ARod has 1 RBI in his last 50 something post season ABs. Is 1 and 4 in post season series while with a team with the highest payroll in baseball history and is not going to have a championship of any kind for yet another year.

and

Steve Stone admits he doesn't have what it takes to be GM.

Thank goodness you have no say in what happens at 35th and Veeck.

Like you do. So what- I would rather see Andy the Clown be GM of this team.

 

[Widbil83]

OK, I lied. I'm not done with you. Why, you ask? Well, because the ownage continues.

Here's your beloved Steve Stone on the radio today

http://podcast.670thescore.com/wscr/712566.mp3

Exact quote from Steve Stone

"There's a lot of great, young Assistant General Managers that are infinitely qualified, much more so than I......"

So, wait. Is this right? Even Steve Stone knows he doesn't have what it takes to be a General Manager of a major league team.

Now all of baseball knows it, Steve Stone knows it, so tell me, what's your problem in realizing it?

So let's summarize........

ARod has 1 RBI in his last 50 something post season ABs. Is 1 and 4 in post season series while with a team with the highest payroll in baseball history and is not going to have a championship of any kind for yet another year.

and

Steve Stone admits he doesn't have what it takes to be GM.

Thank goodness you have no say in what happens at 35th and Veeck.

Like you do. So what- I would rather see Andy the Clown be GM of this team.

 

[Limp Ditka]

OK, I lied. I'm not done with you. Why, you ask? Well, because the ownage continues.

Here's your beloved Steve Stone on the radio today

http://podcast.670thescore.com/wscr/712566.mp3

Exact quote from Steve Stone

"There's a lot of great, young Assistant General Managers that are infinitely qualified, much more so than I......"

So, wait. Is this right? Even Steve Stone knows he doesn't have what it takes to be a General Manager of a major league team.

Now all of baseball knows it, Steve Stone knows it, so tell me, what's your problem in realizing it?

So let's summarize........

ARod has 1 RBI in his last 50 something post season ABs. Is 1 and 4 in post season series while with a team with the highest payroll in baseball history and is not going to have a championship of any kind for yet another year.

and

Steve Stone admits he doesn't have what it takes to be GM.

Thank goodness you have no say in what happens at 35th and Veeck.

Like you do. So what- I would rather see Andy the Clown be GM of this team.

Hopefully it's the final He should change his title from Midnight Stalker to Limp Ditka's #####.