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***Official Wisconsin is Overranked Thread*** (1 Viewer)

This reminds me when half the FFA thought voting for Bush was a good idea in 2004...all of the AP voters are taking moron pills.

 
:coffee: They haven't lost yet. Are these unbeaten teams better?

6. South Florida 4-0 1,203 18

7. Boston College 5-0 1,172 12

8. Kentucky 5-0 1,143 14

16. Hawaii 5-0 586 19

17. Missouri 4-0 561 20

18. Arizona St. 5-0 497 23

20. Cincinnati 5-0 377 24

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As you all know, I am about the biggest Wisconsin/Packer/Badger/Buck/Brewer homer on the board, and I NEVER agree with LHUCKS, but he hits the nail on the head here. Having seen the Badgers live vs. UNLV, I can attest with confidence that this is the worst Badger team I have seen since the transitional Morton to Alvarez Badgers.

 
_4_ said:
As you all know, I am about the biggest Wisconsin/Packer/Badger/Buck/Brewer homer on the board, and I NEVER agree with LHUCKS, but he hits the nail on the head here. Having seen the Badgers live vs. UNLV, I can attest with confidence that this is the worst Badger team I have seen since the transitional Morton to Alvarez Badgers.
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Next week Wisky is a dog @ Illinois. Hard to imagine but very telling.
 
Favre breaks Marino's TD record, leads Packers to 4-0 start Sep. 30, 2007MINNEAPOLIS -- The record is his, for now, and Brett Favre can return his focus on two other numbers: 4-0. To hear him tell it over and over, this is all he has ever worried about: helping Green Bay win. Favre became the NFL's all-time leader in career touchdown passes with a couple of vintage third-down zingers Sunday, and the Packers stayed unbeaten with a 23-16 victory over the Minnesota Vikings. "To win, and get this behind us, is a great feeling," said Favre, who threw No. 421 in the first quarter to Greg Jennings and No. 422 in the fourth quarter to rookie James Jones. He also went interception-free against a defense determined to make him the league's all-time leader in that category. Favre remained three picked-off passes away from topping George Blanda on the career list. Former teammate Darren Sharper had one in the first quarter that was wiped out by a penalty. He congratulated Favre after the game that left the frustrated Vikings 1-3. The Packers joined the Dallas Cowboys as the NFC's only undefeated teams. Favre was the obvious difference in the decision over pass-deficient Minnesota. "He's making all the proper decisions. You don't see him making some of the decisions he made in the past," Sharper said. "They're putting a lot on him, throwing the ball a lot, and he's not making too many bad throws. He's playing at the MVP level that he has played at before." Kelly Holcomb is, well, not quite in Favre's class. He threw a touchdown pass to Sidney Rice with 1:55 left to pull the Vikings within seven, and a nearly disastrous fumble gave Minnesota a chance to tie it. Favre's handoff to Ryan Grant wasn't clean, and Chad Greenway fell on it at the Minnesota 46. But Holcomb's tipped pass from the Packers 34 was intercepted by Atari Bigby, with the Vikings screaming unsuccessfully for an interference call on Charles Woodson. "They can't blatantly hold you," Holcomb said. Minnesota also argued at another crucial point that Korey Hall fumbled when Antoine Winfield hit him hard out of the backfield. Greeenway picked up the ball and would've scored an easy touchdown, but the incomplete pass ruling was not allowed to be challenged by coach Brad Childress. "I'm not in the business of being a referee, but it seemed like he caught and turned," Greenway said. Ultimately, the Vikings had bigger concerns. Holcomb went 21-for-39 for 258 yards, but those numbers were boosted by the late rally. Adrian Peterson rushed 12 times for 112 yards and had a 51-yard kickoff return in the second half, and Chester Taylor ripped off a 37-yard run, too. All they had to show for all that in the first 58 minutes was Ryan Longwell's three field goals. "I'd be lying to say we're not disappointed," Peterson said. Winning for the fourth time in the last five meetings here, Favre went 32-for-45 for 344 yards. Green Bay is 4-0 for the first time since 1998. "He cares about the record, but it's not the most important thing," defensive end Aaron Kampman said. "He cares about winning. That's when you know you have a special teammate." The Packers don't really have a running game this season. Punter Jon Ryan had the longest carry in the first three quarters, a 7-yard dance on a called fake that made several Vikings miss and extended the opening drive of the second half. Favre fired a 16-yard pass to a wide-open Ruvell Martin on third-and-11 and moved the Packers close enough for a 44-yard field goal by Mason Crosby, who went 3-for-3. "We're in a throw mode right now," Favre said. Minnesota can sure run the ball, thanks to Peterson, the rookie with the quick moves and the power to run right through the secondary. The Vikings have a stout defense, too, especially against the rush. But for the second straight season, that's not leading to success. The Packers, led by Kampman, applied a strong, steady rush, but Holcomb didn't show much poise in the pocket. He threw balls into the line, held onto others too long, and nearly had multiple interceptions. As if Green Bay needed more reason to appreciate Favre. "I'm so glad we won the game. There was so much emphasis on this record and not the game itself," he said. "Everyone's like, 'What are you going to do? Are you going to have a big celebration?' Put yourself in my shoes. I want to help this team win. I do not want us to get blindsided by this record and what we're actually here for." AP NEWSThe Associated Press News Service
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Neither Wisconsin nor Ohio State are legit top 5's. OSU's defense is excellent, but Boeckman doesn't have enough experience, and the O-line is suspect to me.

 
Lone said:
LHUCKS said:
This reminds me when half the FFA thought voting for Bush was a good idea in 2004...all of the AP voters are taking moron pills.
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Yeah well, at least they knew how to spell patriotism in their sigs.
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Otis asked me to spell Patriotism incorecctly so he could search threads more efficiently.But good one...you really got me there. :lmao:

 
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_4_ said:
As you all know, I am about the biggest Wisconsin/Packer/Badger/Buck/Brewer homer on the board, and I NEVER agree with LHUCKS, but he hits the nail on the head here. Having seen the Badgers live vs. UNLV, I can attest with confidence that this is the worst Badger team I have seen since the transitional Morton to Alvarez Badgers.
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Thank you for your objectivity...wtf are the voters thinking here. I'm pretty sure they haven't been watching the Badgers skate by some of these mediocre teams.
 
LHUCKS said:
_4_ said:
As you all know, I am about the biggest Wisconsin/Packer/Badger/Buck/Brewer homer on the board, and I NEVER agree with LHUCKS, but he hits the nail on the head here. Having seen the Badgers live vs. UNLV, I can attest with confidence that this is the worst Badger team I have seen since the transitional Morton to Alvarez Badgers.
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Thank you for your objectivity...wtf are the voters thinking here. I'm pretty sure they haven't been watching the Badgers skate by some of these mediocre teams.
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It has to be more an indictment of college football collectively than any particular program. Even USC looked vulnerable yesterday. The fact that the Badgers have the long winning streak keeps them up there in the minds of the voters. Bielema has only the one loss (Michigan) on his record - that looks very shiny from afar.
 
If Melheim is a person then no, but if melheim is a term of endearment for great and wise individual then yes.

 
Anybody who has watched the Badgers this year KNOWS that they are overrated at #5. The defense is pathetic - 2 weeks in a row they haven't been able to defend the "screen left". Both Iowa and Michigan St would have dominated....if only either team had a QB who could throw well downfield. The DB opposite Ike is terrible - #17 - can't remember his name. He'll get picked on during the entire Big Ten season.

Donovan is erratic - and seems at times incapable of looking beyond his first read. The O-line isn't opening as many holes as recent years. PJ Hill is a beast, but he'll get worn down eventually.

Frankly, a #5 ranking is a gift. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Badgers homer, so don't group me with the PAC-10 freaks like LHUCKS. I'm just calling it like I see it.

 
Michael J Fox said:
Anybody who has watched the Badgers this year KNOWS that they are overrated at #5. The defense is pathetic - 2 weeks in a row they haven't been able to defend the "screen left". Both Iowa and Michigan St would have dominated....if only either team had a QB who could throw well downfield. The DB opposite Ike is terrible - #17 - can't remember his name. He'll get picked on during the entire Big Ten season. Donovan is erratic - and seems at times incapable of looking beyond his first read. The O-line isn't opening as many holes as recent years. PJ Hill is a beast, but he'll get worn down eventually.Frankly, a #5 ranking is a gift. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Badgers homer, so don't group me with the PAC-10 freaks like LHUCKS. I'm just calling it like I see it.
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yet another Badger homer chiming in with some objectivity...very impressive. :goodposting:
 
To more clearly answer Furley - The reason it is important is because just as a high ranking can buoy a program, if they trip up, which the Badgers will, the fall is all the harder. The Badgers are ranked #5? If they lose to Illinois, or Northwestern, they are shredded in the press, polls and watering holes - whereas, if they are ranked appropriately (closer to 21-25), should they lose it isn't a blip on the National radar.

Taking that hit from the five spot will affect more than the record, it will affect recruiting.

 
_4_ said:
To more clearly answer Furley - The reason it is important is because just as a high ranking can buoy a program, if they trip up, which the Badgers will, the fall is all the harder. The Badgers are ranked #5? If they lose to Illinois, or Northwestern, they are shredded in the press, polls and watering holes - whereas, if they are ranked appropriately (closer to 21-25), should they lose it isn't a blip on the National radar. Taking that hit from the five spot will affect more than the record, it will affect recruiting.
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you guys are buying in to LHUCKS fishing trip. if that's what you enjoy.. then so be it.
 
2 things:

1. Yes, they are overrated, but this year's #5 ranking is a far cry from some other year's #5. I have them at #7, but there isn't a big difference from #3 to #18 or so.

2. They are winning. It's winning ugly, and messing up enough to keep it close, but they are also doing the right things at the end of the games to win, and that deserves a bit of respect.

 
I used to live in the midwest and and seen them play a lot over a span of a few years and the impression I always got from them they were the ultimate at playing down or up to their competition. They always seemed to play crappy against bad teams and would get caught from time to time and play better against the quality teams. In my opinion that is why they have recently went into bowl games and beenb expected to get crushed only to rise to the occasion and handle Arkansas last year and crush Auburn the year before. Before those games they were supposed to be crushed cause people chimed in about how they barely beat people and whatever. I haven't looked it up but over recent years it always seem like the Badgers start the year underranked compared to what they end at.

When living in other areas of the country it seems like people have this dislike for the Badgers. They don't win pretty enough I guess or spectatular enough. I wonder if people just get annoyed that the Badgers are better than what they 'should' be. This is a school that isn't a major player in any one of the recruiting areas. They get a little from Ohio and Texas and Florida but never get the top guys, probably just some leftovers who will get playing time faster at Wisconsin than if they stayed in state at Florida, Texas, Ohio State, whatever. A good portion of their roster comes from Wisconsin and Wisconsin isn't known as a powerful state at turning out top college talent especially at the skill positions. As I recall, Wisconsin got their last Heisman winner because they were one of the few schools that told Ron Dayne that he would be put at the tailback and not fullback spot.

Wisconsin is that dorky looking kid dribbing a basketball down the street that doesn't look like a player but then steps on the court and shows some good game yet people still think he looks dorky so they want to rip their game apart. They don't look pretty, aren't flashy so since they don't 'look' the part according to a lot of people, they just don't deserve the credit.

The Badgers aren't pretty, flashy, and don't pull in top recruit after top recruit. People tuning in for a national televised game don't know much about their players compared to tuning in for a game including Ohio State or Michigan or USC or Florida or another top power. This seems to annoy people in my experience cause they shouldn't be able to hang with teams that are pretty and flashy and pull in top player after top player.

That said, the Badgers, in the games I have been able to see here in Oregon, have not been impressive but they have been winning. I don't see a problem with them squeaking by because that is better than losing like Michigan has, or Notre Dame has, or any number of teams who have lost yet consistantly year after year have a better recruiting class. I have often wished they would play a tougher OOC schedule but do top teams want to play them OOC? If they beat Wisconsin people will just say they have better athletes and should win as the recruiting classes say they have a top 10 or 15 class and Wisconsin is what, usually near the late 20s, early 30s?

In all probability the Bagers will lose to someone(s) they shouldn't and they will drop badly making all their haters happy. Yes, their play makes them overrated but considering the average year has them underrated, why can't they have some time in the sun for once instead of fighting from the shade?

 
Teams that take a loss are penalized in the polls, regardless of how "good" of a loss it is. Is Wisconsin better than Florida or OU? No. It's just how the polls are created. We can only hope that at the end of the season, the two "correct" teams are picked to meet each other.

 
strykerpks said:
:bag: They haven't lost yet. Are these unbeaten teams better?6. South Florida 4-0 1,203 18 7. Boston College 5-0 1,172 12 8. Kentucky 5-0 1,143 14 16. Hawaii 5-0 586 19 17. Missouri 4-0 561 20 18. Arizona St. 5-0 497 23 20. Cincinnati 5-0 377 24 23. Purdue 5-0 218 --
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yet another Badger homer chiming in with some objectivity...very impressive. :bag:
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OK I'll bite. Jeebus I cant believe I'm doing this. Anyhoo, as a Bucky homer, I do not think this is a great team. But again, you skipped my post. Are they better or worse than the other unbeaten teams in the top 25?
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Freaking spectacular posting. I will be quoting this to friends of mine with your permission.
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Teams that take a loss are penalized in the polls, regardless of how "good" of a loss it is. Is Wisconsin better than Florida or OU? No. It's just how the polls are created. We can only hope that at the end of the season, the two "correct" teams are picked to meet each other.
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Again, they haven't lost :unsure:
 
PS I have never had a problem with LHUCKS so I'm not a part of the movement. I stay out of college football threads as much as I can because of him. But as a Wisky homer, I cannot fault the media, nor anyone, for putting the Badger at 5 based on the number of teams that lost this weekend. Are they overranked? Perhaps as they do not win convincingly. But they win. If they were to be one of a couple of undefeated team at the end of the season, do they deserve a NC shot?

 
_4_ said:
To more clearly answer Furley - The reason it is important is because just as a high ranking can buoy a program, if they trip up, which the Badgers will, the fall is all the harder. The Badgers are ranked #5? If they lose to Illinois, or Northwestern, they are shredded in the press, polls and watering holes - whereas, if they are ranked appropriately (closer to 21-25), should they lose it isn't a blip on the National radar. Taking that hit from the five spot will affect more than the record, it will affect recruiting.
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If they drop a game, they're unlikely to slide all the way out of the top 25 from #5 surely? Wouldn't it be better to remain a ranked team for recruiting purposes?
 
Truman said:
_4_ said:
To more clearly answer Furley - The reason it is important is because just as a high ranking can buoy a program, if they trip up, which the Badgers will, the fall is all the harder. The Badgers are ranked #5? If they lose to Illinois, or Northwestern, they are shredded in the press, polls and watering holes - whereas, if they are ranked appropriately (closer to 21-25), should they lose it isn't a blip on the National r adar. Taking that hit from the five spot will affect more than the record, it will affect recruiting.
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If they drop a game, they're unlikely to slide all the way out of the top 25 from #5 surely? Wouldn't it be better to remain a ranked team for recruiting purposes?
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:thumbup:They wouldn't drop all the way out of the top 25 - they'd probably be in the upper to mid-teens
 
strykerpks said:
strykerpks said:
;) They haven't lost yet. Are these unbeaten teams better?6. South Florida 4-0 1,203 18 7. Boston College 5-0 1,172 12 8. Kentucky 5-0 1,143 14 16. Hawaii 5-0 586 19 17. Missouri 4-0 561 20 18. Arizona St. 5-0 497 23 20. Cincinnati 5-0 377 24 23. Purdue 5-0 218 --
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I went to a Big Ten school (Indiana) - and I'd rank South Florida, BC and Kentucky over Wisconsin easily. South Florida just whipped a top 5 team last week. Wisconsin beat a then unbeaten Louisville team (yes, the luster is off that win now, but at the time it was big) and won @ Arkansas. BC has won some big conference games already. Wisconsin will probably end up with a good record, but that is because IMO only one team in the Big 10 is really good (Ohio State - and, yes, I think Purdue will get stomped by Ohio State this Saturday).
 
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