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***Officialish Detroit Tigers Thread*** (3 Viewers)

I love Granderson, but not on this team. They need depth, not another high priced OF unless of course it's Choo. :wub:

Seems like the Cubs and Granderson are a marriage made in heaven.

Tigers have now thrown Fister's name into the trade bait. Fister is entering his arbitration years I suppose, but trading him doesn't make sense to me.

 
I saw where Max said he would love to sign an extension with the tigers for the right price. I wonder what kind of numbers he is thinking

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Sanchez 5/69 offer? I don't know, I'm extremely indifferent here since I'd like them to give Scherzer an extension now and they also need another bench/depth bat. I like Sanchez, have from the day they got him but I like Scherzer better if I had to choose. Not my money though.
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scrumptrulescent said:
I do not follow Dr. D on the warpath to resign Max. I like him a lot but maybe there are things the organization knows..
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:coffee:

Should have locked him last year for 5/$100mm

Now that ship has sailed. :bye:

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Sanchez 5/69 offer? I don't know, I'm extremely indifferent here since I'd like them to give Scherzer an extension now and they also need another bench/depth bat. I like Sanchez, have from the day they got him but I like Scherzer better if I had to choose. Not my money though.
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scrumptrulescent said:
I do not follow Dr. D on the warpath to resign Max. I like him a lot but maybe there are things the organization knows..
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:coffee:

Should have locked him last year for 5/$100mm

Now that ship has sailed. :bye:
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That's Ervin Santana money nowadays :shrug:

 
Detroit – The fourth member of Brad Ausmus’ coaching staff is in place.

Wally Joyner, a sweet-swinging left-handed hitter in the 1980s and 1990s, will become the team’s new hitting coach, Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reported Sunday night.

The Tigers have yet to confirm the hire.

Joyner joins third-base coach Dave Clark as new additions to the Tigers’ coaching staff, while pitching coach Jeff Jones and bench coach Gene Lamont are the holdovers.

Joyner replaces Lloyd McClendon, the Tigers’ hitting coach since 2007. Earlier this month, McClendon was named manager of the Seattle Mariners.

This would be the second hitting-coach job for Joyner, 51, who also served in that role with the San Diego Padres from 2007-08. He was the assistant hitting coach for the Philadelphia Phillies in 2013, before being moved over to first-base coach after the hiring of new manager Ryne Sandberg.

The Tigers also hired Mick Billmeyer as bullpen coach; he was with the Phillies in the same role in 2013.

Joyner played 16 years in the major leagues, mostly with the then-California Angels. He played mostly first base, and was an All-Star his rookie year, in 1986. His best season was 1987, when he hit. 285 with 34 home runs and 117 RBIs. For his career, he was a .289 hitter with 204 homers and 1,106 RBIs in 2,033 games, including time with the Padres, Kansas City Royals and Atlanta Braves.

He does have some history with the Tigers, by the way. As a rookie, in August 1986, he broke up Walt Terrell’s no-hit bid with a double with two out in the ninth. Earlier in the season, against the Texas Rangers, he foiled a Charlie Hough bid, with one out in the ninth.

Following his career, he admitted to briefly using steroids, after consulting with Padres teammate Ken Caminiti.

The Tigers have yet to hire a first-base coach, bullpen coach and – if they choose to – an assistant hitting coach.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131117/SPORTS0104/311170043#ixzz2l0j06Xn7
 
If the Tigers are going to deal Max I would have liked to see them take a run at Josh Johnson on a short term contract.. Johnson just signed a 1 year 8 million dollar deal with the Padres. Johnson had some injuries and struggled last year but has a good track record. You would think that Johnson would have like to sign with a winner to boost his potential future earnings..maybe even at a discounted rate.

 
Fielder for Kinsler blockbuster is on the table November 20, 2013 7:44 pm ET
The Rangers and Tigers are discussing a blockbuster deal that would send Prince Fielder to Texas for Ian Kinsler, CBSSports.com has learned.

One person involved in the talks called it a "possibility." There could be another player involved in the trade as potential well, but that hasn;t been confirmed.

The Rangers made a play for Fielder when he was a free agent a couple years ago before the Tigers signed him for $214 million over nine years.

Trading Kinsler would open second base for Jurickson Profar. Texas has been looking for added punch to its lineup.

The Tigers had been floating Max Scherzer as a trade possibility. But a deal of Fielder could possibly free up extra cash to try to sign Scherzer long-term.

Fielder has a limited no-trade clause, but it isn't known if it includes Texas.
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I think I like this a lot....Things fall into place nicely without Prince there. If the Tigers could keep Max long-term, that would be a great thing.

 
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jon_mx said:
Fielder for Kinsler blockbuster is on the table November 20, 2013 7:44 pm ET
The Rangers and Tigers are discussing a blockbuster deal that would send Prince Fielder to Texas for Ian Kinsler, CBSSports.com has learned.

One person involved in the talks called it a "possibility." There could be another player involved in the trade as potential well, but that hasn;t been confirmed.

The Rangers made a play for Fielder when he was a free agent a couple years ago before the Tigers signed him for $214 million over nine years.

Trading Kinsler would open second base for Jurickson Profar. Texas has been looking for added punch to its lineup.

The Tigers had been floating Max Scherzer as a trade possibility. But a deal of Fielder could possibly free up extra cash to try to sign Scherzer long-term.

Fielder has a limited no-trade clause, but it isn't known if it includes Texas.
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I think I like this a lot....Things fall into place nicely without Prince there. If the Tigers could keep Max long-term, that would be a great thing.
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This would be an awesome trade for the Tigers.

 
This should be a win-win for both teams. Kinsler could bat leadoff and keep A-Jax down in the 6-7-8 spot. Now we need to sign Beltran to a 2 year 25 million dollar deal.

 
I assume this means Cabrera back to 1B and Castellanos at 3B. If so, that's a great move - even losing some of the offense.

I hope this means they can re-sign Max and Cabrera to an extension.

 
Greco said:
how many games, on average, does kinsler miss a year to injury?
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You get 133 games a year out of him. But he's due for a nice 60 game DL stint.

Kinsler is one of my favorite Rangers of all time. Underrated in the field and reliable at the plate. Just be ready to throw stuff at the TV when he dips his shoulder and pops up everything for about a week at a time.

 
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how many games, on average, does kinsler miss a year to injury?
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kinslia01.shtml

for me Kinsler's value is that he pretty good offensive player at non-offensive position. Very streaking as hitter. does have excellent range at 2nd and a great arm for that position. he is a running airhead and did not steal bases as he used to. I think he is miscast as headoff hitter, should bat about 6th...imo.

as for the trade, I think this helps both in that they get player at a position they were weaker at and move parts around to make the line-up to be better overall.

 
Love this deal, especially if the TIgers don't have to eat Fielder's salary. In another couple of years, that contract is going to be bruuuuutal.

Plus they were able to trade a poor-fielding first baseman who hits 194/284/333 in the postseason for a good-fielding second baseman who hits 311/422/484 in the postseason.

 
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Bogart said:
Greco said:
how many games, on average, does kinsler miss a year to injury?
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You get 133 games a year out of him. But he's due for a nice 60 game DL stint.

Kinsler is one of my favorite Rangers of all time. Underrated in the field and reliable at the plate. Just be ready to throw stuff at the TV when he dips his shoulder and pops up everything for about a week at a time.
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You get a huge fatass who can't play the field and can't hit in the playoffs. Sounds like an even trade.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Bogart said:
Greco said:
how many games, on average, does kinsler miss a year to injury?
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You get 133 games a year out of him. But he's due for a nice 60 game DL stint.

Kinsler is one of my favorite Rangers of all time. Underrated in the field and reliable at the plate. Just be ready to throw stuff at the TV when he dips his shoulder and pops up everything for about a week at a time.
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You get a huge fatass who can't play the field and can't hit in the playoffs. Sounds like an even trade.
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THERE HE IS!

 
nysfl2 said:
Love this deal, especially if the TIgers don't have to eat Fielder's salary. In another couple of years, that contract is going to be bruuuuutal.

Plus they were able to trade a poor-fielding first baseman who hits 194/284/333 in the postseason for a good-fielding second baseman who hits 311/422/484 in the postseason.
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Tigers are sending a reported $30 million back with Fielder. They will end up paying $92 million for four years of Kinsler I guess, but save $76 million on a guy that we probably should ahve never signed in the first place. Mr I wanted Prince, I'm not sure Dombrowski ever did.

I wonder where Kinsler hits? 2nd? Guess it depends who they bring in to play LF. Gotta think they sign someone i the OF now, maybe Granderson not out of the question. Interesting to see what happens next. Dombrowski is a genius.

 
nysfl2 said:
Love this deal, especially if the TIgers don't have to eat Fielder's salary. In another couple of years, that contract is going to be bruuuuutal.

Plus they were able to trade a poor-fielding first baseman who hits 194/284/333 in the postseason for a good-fielding second baseman who hits 311/422/484 in the postseason.
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This. Plus, like coolnerd notes, it really helps both teams in their respective ways. I agree with whoknew in that the Tigers could move Cabrera back to first and use some of the savings to extend contracts or fill other needs with less fear. I like it a lot.

 
I like this deal for Detroit, although I'm not sure how much better Kinsler will be compared to Infante's career year last year. Much better in the field and on the basepaths I suppose.

 
Max has even gone so far to post on Twitter how much he wants to remain in Detroit. I'd like to think they go after Choo now but if Max will take less than market to stay in Detroit, I would guess this is the #1 priority. It does give them flexibility though because now they can go after a 3Bman or a LF/RF. Also makes it much less likely they trade max because they had a glaring need they couldn't fill in FA at 2B, that problem is now solved.

What this also does is extend the window of opportunity. Prince's contract tied us down after 2014, now I think they gain much more flexibility. I don't see them extending Cabrera, but I didn't think they'd extend JV either and they did.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
nysfl2 said:
Love this deal, especially if the TIgers don't have to eat Fielder's salary. In another couple of years, that contract is going to be bruuuuutal.

Plus they were able to trade a poor-fielding first baseman who hits 194/284/333 in the postseason for a good-fielding second baseman who hits 311/422/484 in the postseason.
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Tigers are sending a reported $30 million back with Fielder. They will end up paying $92 million for four years of Kinsler I guess, but save $76 million on a guy that we probably should ahve never signed in the first place. Mr I wanted Prince, I'm not sure Dombrowski ever did.
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...or you could say the Tigers paid $76M for two years of Fielder

 
Eephus said:
Doctor Detroit said:
nysfl2 said:
Love this deal, especially if the TIgers don't have to eat Fielder's salary. In another couple of years, that contract is going to be bruuuuutal.

Plus they were able to trade a poor-fielding first baseman who hits 194/284/333 in the postseason for a good-fielding second baseman who hits 311/422/484 in the postseason.
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Tigers are sending a reported $30 million back with Fielder. They will end up paying $92 million for four years of Kinsler I guess, but save $76 million on a guy that we probably should ahve never signed in the first place. Mr I wanted Prince, I'm not sure Dombrowski ever did.
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...or you could say the Tigers paid $76M for two years of Fielder
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Actually better to look at it that way. Mr I made money the past two years and this was always said to be his decision. The team needed a few drastic changes and now Leyland and Fielder are gone, and they have money to sign a FA like Choo if they so desire. Locking in Max seems like the best maneuver, and as I said...I see no reason whatsoever to trade him now.

 
Prince Fielder Trade Gives Tigers Flexibility
One of my biggest shocks as a Tigers fan came the day the Tigers signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year $216 million contract as a free agent in 2012. The Tigers needed a bat to replace designated hitter Victor Martinez, who would miss the whole season with a knee injury, but who would have guessed that they would acquire one of the premiere sluggers in the game? It was hard not to get excited about the acquisition and it worked out well the first season with Fielder posting a .940 OPS, but the deal never made sense long-term.

With Martinez returning in 2013, the Tigers had three immobile players in the starting line-up including superstar Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera handled a move to third better than many predicted in 2012, but he was a below average defender and Fielder was awful at first base. Fielder would have worked out better as a designated hitter, but that spot was reserved for Martinez. Cabrera's injuries last year highlighted their lack of positional flexibility even further. It sure would have been nice if they could have moved him to the designated hitter spot before his health deteriorated to the point where he could barely move in the field or at the plate.

With the the trade of Fielder to the Texas Rangers for second baseman Ian Kinsler, the Tigers will no longer have to play players out of position. Cabrera can play either of the corners, but I suspect he'll end up at first. If he gets injured or needs a rest, he can go to designated hitter while Martinez switches to first base.

Even more important than positional flexibility is payroll flexibility. Fielder was owed $168 over the next seven years, while Kinsler is guaranteed just $62 million over the next five years (includes a $ 5 million buy out in an option year in 2018). The Tigers will be sending $30 million to the Rangers, but they still save $76 million in this deal. That money can be used to add pieces this off-season and also for a long-term contracts to Cabrera and perhaps pitcher Max Scherzer.

What about next year though? Fielder hit for just a .819 OPS in 2013, but was likely to bounce back closer to his .916 lifetime mark next year. So, that leaves a big void in the middle of the line-up. They may not want to dip back into the free agent market with a big priced acquisition such as center fielder Jacoby Ellbury or outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, but they will get another big bat, most likely of the left-handed variety. They are probably going to trade a pitcher - either Rick Porcello or Doug Fister or even Scherzer this winter and I'm going to guess that's where the hitter comes from.

Kinsler fills a void by replacing Omar Infante at second base and stops the talk of rookie Hernan Perez getting a starting job. Kinsler has batted .262/.341/.438 over the the last three seasons and is a solid defender. Some are concerned about his lifetime home/road split - .898 at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington and .710 on the road. The Texas ballpark is a hitter's haven, but it's not that much better than other parks, so I'm guessing the .710 does not quite reflect is true talent. I think sometimes players adjust their game to an extreme home park and might suffer on the road because of it. Even if he is a low .700s OPS hitter though, that's about what you'd expect from Infante and that's not terrible.

Will Cabrera remain at third or move back to first? That depends on how well he recovers from his groin injury and what other moves they might make. There is some talk though that the Tigers might now move highly-touted rookie Nick Castellanos back to third. They seemed intent on having him stay in the outfield, but if Cabrera needs to play first and they can't find a third baseman, Castellanos could be the best solution. I would expect to see him playing some third in winter ball fairly soon.

The deal is far from a slam dunk in the short-term. The Tigers still have a lot of work to do this winter - most notably a bat to replace Fielder and multiple relievers. Long-term though, this is a great deal for the Tigers freeing up money that will help them lock up their stars, add pieces and stay in contention for years to come.
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Great analysis here

 
George Sipple ‏@GeorgeSipple 12m

DD on possibility of Peralta at LF or 3B: "I don't know. I'm not really sure about that."'

George Sipple ‏@GeorgeSipple 23m

DD said Cabrera will play 1st base in future. Victor Martinez could play also play 1st base. Castellanos could move to 3B.

George Sipple ‏@GeorgeSipple 23m

DD said it "makes it more possible" to re-sign Max Scherzer.


George Sipple ‏@GeorgeSipple 27mDD said the trade happened fast. Called Texas and "kicked this one around."

ETA:

Tom Leyden ‏@TomLeyden 7m

Saber people will note Ausmus referred very casually and without hesitation that Miggy will have two people batting in front of him.

 
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What an absolute ####### home run of a trade. Dombrowski is a genius.

Miggy back to first. Castellanos at 3b. And $76 million to sign LF/Closer/Max/Miggy (extension).

Awesome, awesome trade.
 
Could sign any of OF/3B/1B/DH to replace Prince's production, but you need to sign a bat. If they got Choo, I would crap myself.

Right now, they are still a worse team than last year's. No bullpen and a hole at first (Kinsler basically replaces Infante's 2013 production and defense).

 
Just read last night that Miggy wants to finish his career in Detroit and is willing to talk right now about extending.

 
igbomb said:
Could sign any of OF/3B/1B/DH to replace Prince's production, but you need to sign a bat. If they got Choo, I would crap myself.

Right now, they are still a worse team than last year's. No bullpen and a hole at first (Kinsler basically replaces Infante's 2013 production and defense).
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Plenty of good relievers out there, plenty.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
igbomb said:
Could sign any of OF/3B/1B/DH to replace Prince's production, but you need to sign a bat. If they got Choo, I would crap myself.

Right now, they are still a worse team than last year's. No bullpen and a hole at first (Kinsler basically replaces Infante's 2013 production and defense).
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Plenty of good relievers out there, plenty.
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I'm with you. That's why I say 'right now' they aren't as good. I'm sure Dombrowski has plans to add a bat and reload the bullpen (still not sure why they let Veras go).

 
I give a lot of credit to Dombrowski and Daniels for keeping this under wraps until it actually happened. Both are true professionals and I like how both go about their business.

 
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