***Officialish Detroit Tigers Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Doctor Detroit]

It's not my money. All signings are great signings in a league without a salary cap, imo.

Yes, Guillen's contract and spot on the roster is great.Glad to see there won't be a Dunn, still should swing for Werth. Really like the V Mart signing and contract, big step up from that Benoit head scratcher.

Not sure why there is such little love for Dunn. Yes, he is a horrid fielder. So isn't V-Mart. But Dunn is about as consistent a hitter you will find. He will play in 160 games, and will strikeout out 200 times, but he will have an OBP right at the .380 mark and will hit 40 homeruns and drive in a 100 runs.

Because he simply doesn't fit into the field any where because we can't play him at first. I would also worry about him at Comerica where RF is negative for HRs.

 

[Premier]

It's not my money. All signings are great signings in a league without a salary cap, imo.

Yes, Guillen's contract and spot on the roster is great.Glad to see there won't be a Dunn, still should swing for Werth. Really like the V Mart signing and contract, big step up from that Benoit head scratcher.

I'll take him as my utility player for someone else's money.

The thing you seem to be missing (and I can't figure out why) is that while, yes, it is somebody else's money...that somebody else has a budget, and bad, crappy, overpaid players take up valuable spots in that budget and on a roster that only has 25 spots.

 

[Premier]

Yes. Quarterback.

touché

A few years ago, my sisters (now ex) boyfriend was one of the guys who served as "judge" for the Buccaneers cheerleader tryout. There was nothing about him that said he should get such an assignment. Worked at Raymond James financial, ordinary guy all-around. Think he knew somebody in the organization and dumb-lucked his way into it. Said it was without a doubt the greatest day of his life. Nothing but unbelievably hot chicks in their underwear dancing around and trying to get him to like them enough to give them a high score.

lol, that's good stuff.When I worked for FSN they would always stuff us in this waiting area in the Palace and the Pistonettes or whatever they were called were always back there. They would be stretching, throwing their pom poms around and generally being great whores. After the Malice at the Palace I was there for every game for like a month, and actually ended up getting to know a few of them after work. They made $75 a game, and weren't allowed to talk or associate with the players at all. Preggo cheerleaders=bad business model. At least the NFL cheerleaders get calendars, Pistonettes get to be in the background of Anderson window commercials.

Damn, $75 bucks a game? For all the work they put in, that has to be like 2 bucks an hour.One cool thing is, when the Bucs won the Super Bowl, all the cheerleaders got a ring. I saw one...pretty nice gift.

 

[the moops]

Damn, $75 bucks a game? For all the work they put in, that has to be like 2 bucks an hour.

Minnesota Viking cheerleaders dont get paid a cent. A friend of mine's sister is a cheerleader. The only thing they get are 2 complimentary tickets to every home game.

 

[the moops]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.

12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

 

[skillz]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

After hearing Dombrowski say Avila is going to catch 4-5 games per week I am not real thrilled with the signing. We could sign Magglio or another decent bat to play DH and have Martinez be an upgrade at the catcher position. Guillen could periodically DH too. Last thing we needed was to sign a player who will mostly DH. We need to upgrade the position players we had last year and having Avila in the lineup as catcher most of the week doesn't do that.

 

[MAC_32]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

We have no backup catcher and no backup 1B, injuries happen in baseball...a lot. V Mart will start the season at DH, but how Avila plays and how healthy the team is will dictate how much time he actually spends at DH. This isn't like a typical DH signing, he has the flexibility to be used in the field too.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

martinez has a "decent" bat? Really?

 

[Eephus]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

martinez has a "decent" bat? Really?

The Replacement level bar for DH is set much higher than for catchers. If Martinez plays every day, hits at 2010 levels and doesn't take a big XBH hit for the Fenway-Comerica switch, he's a good but not great DH. We'll see where he's at in four years.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

martinez has a "decent" bat? Really?

The Replacement level bar for DH is set much higher than for catchers. If Martinez plays every day, hits at 2010 levels and doesn't take a big XBH hit for the Fenway-Comerica switch, he's a good but not great DH. We'll see where he's at in four years.

Well the problem here is you are assuming that his numbers won't be better as a full time DH, which I think is TBA. As a catcher he's a ++ hitter, as a part-time catcher/first basemen and a part-time DH his numbers relative to the money are probably right. We'll see, but I would guess his numbers as a five day a week DH will be better.

 

[the moops]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

martinez has a "decent" bat? Really?

The Replacement level bar for DH is set much higher than for catchers. If Martinez plays every day, hits at 2010 levels and doesn't take a big XBH hit for the Fenway-Comerica switch, he's a good but not great DH. We'll see where he's at in four years.

Well the problem here is you are assuming that his numbers won't be better as a full time DH, which I think is TBA. As a catcher he's a ++ hitter, as a part-time catcher/first basemen and a part-time DH his numbers relative to the money are probably right. We'll see, but I would guess his numbers as a five day a week DH will be better.

Obviously a small sample but he has batted much worse as a DH (.711 OPS) then as a 1B (.867) or as a C (.837).If he catches 3 days a week, and gives the Tigers a lot of flexibility, this is a decent signing. If he is relegated to DH and occasional 1B, it is a bad signing.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Looks like the Tigers signed Martinez to be DH most of the time. Read somewhere he will only catch once or twice a week.

12.5 mill a year is a lot of money for a DH with a decent, but not great bat.

martinez has a "decent" bat? Really?

The Replacement level bar for DH is set much higher than for catchers. If Martinez plays every day, hits at 2010 levels and doesn't take a big XBH hit for the Fenway-Comerica switch, he's a good but not great DH. We'll see where he's at in four years.

Well the problem here is you are assuming that his numbers won't be better as a full time DH, which I think is TBA. As a catcher he's a ++ hitter, as a part-time catcher/first basemen and a part-time DH his numbers relative to the money are probably right. We'll see, but I would guess his numbers as a five day a week DH will be better.

Obviously a small sample but he has batted much worse as a DH (.711 OPS) then as a 1B (.867) or as a C (.837).If he catches 3 days a week, and gives the Tigers a lot of flexibility, this is a decent signing. If he is relegated to DH and occasional 1B, it is a bad signing.

Yeah, 136 PAs is a pretty small sample size. He has 809 games at catcher, 134 at 1B and 34 at DH. Considering a lot of those DH appearances are post injury or rest days, I would say you can pretty much throw them out the window anyway. Boston was gonna give him 4/42 and he would have DH'd a lot on Boston as well. And it can't be a bad contract, this is something you are completely missing. The Tigers absolutely had to have a left-handed power bat, and Martinez was the best or 2nd best bat available in the off-season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

He will catch against LH pitchers, however many of those there are that week.

"Martinez's .400 average against left-handers was the highest by an everyday AL player against lefties in three years, since Magglio Ordoñez hit .410 against them in his batting-title season in 2007."

 

[the moops]

The Tigers absolutely had to have a left-handed power bat, and Martinez was the best or 2nd best bat available in the off-season.

Martinez is a better slugger, and batter from the right side, then the left. He is also nowhere close to as good of a power bat from the left as Adam Dunn is.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Tigers absolutely had to have a left-handed power bat, and Martinez was the best or 2nd best bat available in the off-season.

Martinez is a better slugger, and batter from the right side, then the left. He is also nowhere close to as good of a power bat from the left as Adam Dunn is.

83/433 .363 .462 .825 47/202 .379 .482 .861 Those are pretty close, but thanks for looking them up. Adam Dunn is a full-time DH with Cabrera at 1B, and Martinez being able to hit from both sides makes him a better value IMO.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The Tigers absolutely had to have a left-handed power bat, and Martinez was the best or 2nd best bat available in the off-season.

Martinez is a better slugger, and batter from the right side, then the left. He is also nowhere close to as good of a power bat from the left as Adam Dunn is.

83/433 .363 .462 .825 47/202 .379 .482 .861 Those are pretty close, but thanks for looking them up. Adam Dunn is a full-time DH with Cabrera at 1B, and Martinez being able to hit from both sides makes him a better value IMO.

I think him being able to catch is huge because we don't have to waste a roster spot for some scrub to be a backup catcher.

 

[Eephus]

The Tigers absolutely had to have a left-handed power bat, and Martinez was the best or 2nd best bat available in the off-season.

Martinez is a better slugger, and batter from the right side, then the left. He is also nowhere close to as good of a power bat from the left as Adam Dunn is.

83/433 .363 .462 .825 47/202 .379 .482 .861 Those are pretty close, but thanks for looking them up. Adam Dunn is a full-time DH with Cabrera at 1B, and Martinez being able to hit from both sides makes him a better value IMO.

I think him being able to catch is huge because we don't have to waste a roster spot for some scrub to be a backup catcher.

If Martinez starts the game at DH, you still need a backup C in case Avila is injured. If you move Martinez to C during the game, the DH slot is lost and the pitcher has to bat. I suppose you could tell Inge to pack his mitt in case this occurs.

 

[Greco]

fizzled

 

[Da Guru]

RedSox interested in Maggs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

RedSox interested in Maggs.

buh-bye

 

[igbomb]

RedSox interested in Maggs.

buh-bye

Not so fast. I think we can safely conclude that the Red Sox are now out on Maggs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

RedSox interested in Maggs.

buh-bye

Not so fast. I think we can safely conclude that the Red Sox are now out on Maggs.

dang it

 

[igbomb]

RedSox interested in Maggs.

buh-bye

Not so fast. I think we can safely conclude that the Red Sox are now out on Maggs.

dang it

This team is still nearly $40 million under the 2010 payroll and Beltre and Maggs are the only good bats left on the market. You really think that it is in the Tigers best interest to NOT sign Maggs? Frankly, even with Maggs they don't look like contenders next year. Without him, they are perhaps worse than the 2010 team.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I agree with igbomb about Mags. Few solid options out there and I'd like not to have to depend on Wells, Bosch, et all taking over right field right away.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I agree with igbomb about Mags. Few solid options out there and I'd like not to have to depend on Wells, Bosch, et all taking over right field right away.

 

[Greco]

I Maggs.

 

[skillz]

My buddy in NY is saying the media is reporting Maggs has re-signed for 1 yr at 10 million. Haven't seen confirmation of that yet.

 

[meeka]

They are reporting it on MLB now.

Maggs for 1 year at 10 mil.

 

[skillz]

So is this the opening day lineup now?:

Jackson - CF

Raburn - LF

Maggs - RF

Cabrera - 1B

Martinez - DH

Guillen - 2B*

Peralta - SS

Inge - 3B

Avila - C

* until he gets hurt during week 2 of the season

And the rotation is?:

Verlander

Scherzer

Porcello

Coke

Oliver/Galarraga, a TBD FA, or whatever player impresses during ST.

 

[igbomb]

So is this the opening day lineup now?:Jackson - CFRaburn - LFMaggs - RFCabrera - 1BMartinez - DHGuillen - 2B*Peralta - SSInge - 3BAvila - C* until he gets hurt during week 2 of the seasonAnd the rotation is?:VerlanderScherzerPorcelloCokeOliver/Galarraga, a TBD FA, or whatever player impresses during ST.

Looks about right to me, though I'm really hoping that Avila can hit his way up to seven.I like Raburn as an every day guy, but I have a lot of doubts about the rotation. I think you can get away with throw-ins for the 5th spot, but counting on Coke at four makes me nervous. I hope he's great, but that's a lot to put on a guy who never started above AA.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Looks like that locks up 3rd place for you guys. Congrats

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Looks like that locks up 3rd place for you guys. Congrats

Minnesota can't continue their smoke and mirrors campaign and our starting pitching>your starting pitching. The middle infield defense has the chance to be epic bad, but they are more likely to be solid and the line-up is exponentially better than a year ago with VMART, Peralta instead of Laird and Everett. I expect them to win the division this year.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

All aboard!

 

[MAC_32]

Looks like that locks up 3rd place for you guys. Congrats

Minnesota can't continue their smoke and mirrors campaign and our starting pitching>your starting pitching. The middle infield defense has the chance to be epic bad, but they are more likely to be solid and the line-up is exponentially better than a year ago with VMART, Peralta instead of Laird and Everett. I expect them to win the division this year.

We have lots of problems, the biggest one being much like last year we're still paper thin across the board so we can't withstand injuries.If there are not any injuries (Ha.) the only problem we really are going to have to just deal with is the defense in the middle infield. Our lack of rotation depth (and Porcello is still just a wildcard) is probably going to bite us too, we're putting a lot of faith in Rick and Max - probably more than we should.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Looks like that locks up 3rd place for you guys. Congrats

Minnesota can't continue their smoke and mirrors campaign and our starting pitching>your starting pitching. The middle infield defense has the chance to be epic bad, but they are more likely to be solid and the line-up is exponentially better than a year ago with VMART, Peralta instead of Laird and Everett. I expect them to win the division this year.

We have lots of problems, the biggest one being much like last year we're still paper thin across the board so we can't withstand injuries.If there are not any injuries (Ha.) the only problem we really are going to have to just deal with is the defense in the middle infield. Our lack of rotation depth (and Porcello is still just a wildcard) is probably going to bite us too, we're putting a lot of faith in Rick and Max - probably more than we should.

Well here are Scherzer's 2nd half totals:Max Scherzer's 2nd half totals:6-497 IP2.22 ERA1.08 WHIP93 Ks32 BBsI think there is a lot of reason to be optimistic given his raw skills. If he can locate he has the stuff to be an ace, but he's certainly a great #2 coming into the season. Porcello had a tough sophomore season and a lot of that is just due to being so young. He pitched well late in the season and his cutter is a one of the best pitches on the staff and if he can throw the change-up for strikes he can be effective. I think he'll level out and have a good season but he'll be up and down. After that we just don't know. Coke could be good, he is an intense guy with really good stuff and seems to be willing to make the adjustment. Galarraga is the favorite for the #5 but with Oliver, Turner and Furbush all will get a shot at the roster and the #5 spot. I think Oliver ends up being the #5 and I think he can be a solid back of the rotation guy this year and a middle of the rotation guy going forward. Turner, Furbush and Crosby if we can get him healthy are all guys that have a lot of upside and I think with Oliver this gives the team more depth at starting pitching than they've had since the 80s. Expect some of these guys to be on the Toledo bus back and forth, but I think we'll see some quality starts over the course of the year from all of them. Coke or Galarraga really have to be good though, if one of those two step up I like what this team can put out there day to day.

 

[Captain Hook]

one correction (for now) to the lineup as posted earlier - pretty sure that VMart will platoon with Avila at catcher and DH when Avila is catching

glad they got Maggs back - still a productive hitter

 

[Summer Wheat]

Laird got 3 million??

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Laird got 3 million??

Mama, do let your babies grow up to be catchers...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So is Bonderman gone? he sign on anywhere?

They need a lefty starter so bad they are moving Coke into the rotation.

I predict that Porcello has abetter 2011 than Max.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

RIP Bill LaJoie

 

[Greco]

RIP Bill LaJoie

 

[Green94]

our starting pitching>your starting pitching.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

our starting pitching>your starting pitching.

Bringing Jose Contreas back are ya?

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

]Bringing Jose Contreas back are ya?

Mike Sirotka.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

]Bringing Jose Contreas back are ya?

Mike Sirotka.

Floyd Bannister still out there

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I had no idea that Jeff Petry son of Dan, plays for the Edmonton Oliers.

 

[igbomb]

Tigers may be close to signing Penny. Should know tonight.

 

[igbomb]

Tigers may be close to signing Penny. Should know tonight.

Tigers close to deal with PennyGreat signing if it goes through. Of course there is a low chance that he really turns into anything more than a back-end of the rotation guy, but this is a classic low-risk high-reward signing.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Tigers may be close to signing Penny. Should know tonight.

Tigers close to deal with PennyGreat signing if it goes through. Of course there is a low chance that he really turns into anything more than a back-end of the rotation guy, but this is a classic low-risk high-reward signing.

As far as health concerns go, the #5 starter can be skipped over quite a bit with off days & rainouts.

 

[skillz]

Tigers may be close to signing Penny. Should know tonight.

Tigers close to deal with PennyGreat signing if it goes through. Of course there is a low chance that he really turns into anything more than a back-end of the rotation guy, but this is a classic low-risk high-reward signing.

As far as health concerns go, the #5 starter can be skipped over quite a bit with off days & rainouts.

I like the signing. It's low risk. 1 year for not much money. If he gives us 20 starts that is 20 better starts than we'd otherwise get from Galaragga or whoever else our #5 would be. Every game is going to matter in the AL Central so might as well give us the best chance to win by throwing Penny out there every 5th day in the regular season until his arm falls off. Can't be any worse than Bonderman was last year.