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[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well. Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

I think we have seen this before.Hot first half, followed by a 2nd half swoon. Im super skeptical this year, but the "good" teams in this division are so bad.

 

[JZilla]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well. Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

I think we have seen this before.Hot first half, followed by a 2nd half swoon. Im super skeptical this year, but the "good" teams in this division are so bad.

Hey you can collect your Incubus in the request thread at the hoof

 

[Ilov80s]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well.

Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

Last night was definitely on the great side. Penny actually has been really good his last 5 starts: 35.2 innings, 6 earned runs, and just 9 walks. Phil Coke is the 1 guy that worries me the most. I really hope Coke can go back into the pen and Oliver can move into the rotation before the year is over.

 

[Apple Juice]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well.

Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

Last night was definitely on the great side. Penny actually has been really good his last 5 starts: 35.2 innings, 6 earned runs, and just 9 walks. Phil Coke is the 1 guy that worries me the most. I really hope Coke can go back into the pen and Oliver can move into the rotation before the year is over.

This is the consensus of fans because it seems to solve two problems at once, but he hasn't been bad enough yet. As a number five he's been more on the good side, I'd say. I'll take a sub-5 ERA from a number five starter no questions asked. The other starters have been lights out so his performances have seemed worse than they are. He hasn't gotten the run-support or defense the others have so far IMO. Oliver and Furbush are too unproven, it's too much of gamble at this point. If who they brought up struggled mightily it could set them back and then there wouldn't be an easy fix. I'd rather the Tigers be forced to make that move than simply risk it hoping a good thing becomes better.

 

[Greco]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well. Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

I think we have seen this before.Hot first half, followed by a 2nd half swoon. Im super skeptical this year, but the "good" teams in this division are so bad.

i'm right there with you.

 

[igbomb]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well.

Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

Last night was definitely on the great side. Penny actually has been really good his last 5 starts: 35.2 innings, 6 earned runs, and just 9 walks. Phil Coke is the 1 guy that worries me the most. I really hope Coke can go back into the pen and Oliver can move into the rotation before the year is over.

This is the consensus of fans because it seems to solve two problems at once, but he hasn't been bad enough yet. As a number five he's been more on the good side, I'd say. I'll take a sub-5 ERA from a number five starter no questions asked. The other starters have been lights out so his performances have seemed worse than they are. He hasn't gotten the run-support or defense the others have so far IMO. Oliver and Furbush are too unproven, it's too much of gamble at this point. If who they brought up struggled mightily it could set them back and then there wouldn't be an easy fix. I'd rather the Tigers be forced to make that move than simply risk it hoping a good thing becomes better.

I agree. Coke is still getting comfortable starting again and has not been bad. Way too early to pull the plug in favor of two kids with no meaningful big league experience.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well. Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

I think we have seen this before.Hot first half, followed by a 2nd half swoon. Im super skeptical this year, but the "good" teams in this division are so bad.

Hey you can collect your Incubus in the request thread at the hoof

Thanks Jzilla

 

[Da Guru]

Magglio on 15 day DL for right ankle weakness and Dirks was called up.

I would love for a healthy Maggs to start knocking the ball around, but putting him on the DL is the best thing for this team right now. And that is one young outfield now. Jackson, Raburn, Boesch, Wells and Dirks. Bunch of kids.

Love Maggs but the best thing would have been to let him walk and have all that cash waiting and ready if we needed to get a player in mid-season. 10 million was too steep for an older player coming off a broken ankle.If DD would have let Inge and Maggs walk we would have been in a nice spot money-wise.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Magglio on 15 day DL for right ankle weakness and Dirks was called up.

I would love for a healthy Maggs to start knocking the ball around, but putting him on the DL is the best thing for this team right now. And that is one young outfield now. Jackson, Raburn, Boesch, Wells and Dirks. Bunch of kids.

Love Maggs but the best thing would have been to let him walk and have all that cash waiting and ready if we needed to get a player in mid-season. 10 million was too steep for an older player coming off a broken ankle.If DD would have let Inge and Maggs walk we would have been in a nice spot money-wise.

Again, the Inge contract was fine for the market and there were no better options based on past performance than Maggs was. Based on what Boesch did in the second half last year, no one was clamoring for him to be our only option in RF on opening day (unless I missed those posts). We also got Peralta for a very reasonable price (especially if he continues to play like he has), Penny for almost nothing and the farm system is now overflowing with pitching prospects. Benoit looks like the worst offseason signing, but that might change in the coming months and next year. I didn't really want Inge back either if you check what I said in this thread, but he's a #8/#9 hitter and his contract was not ridiculous at all. And even if Maggs looked to be on the decline with his power numbers down, no one can predict a drastic and steep fall like he's had this year. Losing power I get, not being able to get the ball out of the infield I don't. We'll see, Inge will end up putting up around what he usually does but Maggs might be done. I hope not, but I'm not very optimistic watching him ground out to the pitcher all year.

 

[Ilov80s]

If the starting pitching continues to be strong, they are going to win the division. Penny is meh sometimes, good sometimes, terrible every once in a while and great every once in a while. That by definition is a #5 starter on a good team, so he's giving the team what it needs. Coke is up and down and Porcello is quietly pitching well.

Plus they aren't chasing the White Sox or Twins right now, they are chasing the Indians. Other people think they are for real, but I think their pitching takes a giant dump in the second part of the season.

Last night was definitely on the great side. Penny actually has been really good his last 5 starts: 35.2 innings, 6 earned runs, and just 9 walks. Phil Coke is the 1 guy that worries me the most. I really hope Coke can go back into the pen and Oliver can move into the rotation before the year is over.

This is the consensus of fans because it seems to solve two problems at once, but he hasn't been bad enough yet. As a number five he's been more on the good side, I'd say. I'll take a sub-5 ERA from a number five starter no questions asked. The other starters have been lights out so his performances have seemed worse than they are. He hasn't gotten the run-support or defense the others have so far IMO. Oliver and Furbush are too unproven, it's too much of gamble at this point. If who they brouIght up struggled mightily it could set them back and then there wouldn't be an easy fix. I'd rather the Tigers be forced to make that move than simply risk it hoping a good thing becomes better.

Coke doing a good job tonight!I still think ultimately that the best case scenario for Detroit is Oliver at 5 and Coke in the pen.

 

[MAC_32]

Magglio on 15 day DL for right ankle weakness and Dirks was called up.

I would love for a healthy Maggs to start knocking the ball around, but putting him on the DL is the best thing for this team right now. And that is one young outfield now. Jackson, Raburn, Boesch, Wells and Dirks. Bunch of kids.

Love Maggs but the best thing would have been to let him walk and have all that cash waiting and ready if we needed to get a player in mid-season. 10 million was too steep for an older player coming off a broken ankle.If DD would have let Inge and Maggs walk we would have been in a nice spot money-wise.

Benoit was this past offseason's biggest mistake, given the youth and uncertainty in the outfield Maggs at least made some sense if the doctors gave him a thumbs up. We don't sign Benoit and we might have a #2 hitter instead, at odds whether I'll like a deadline deal to fix this problem at the expense of our farm or not. Inge's bat is lousy and getting worse but given the pit at 3B league wide it isn't like we could have found better, just need Castellanos to be ready this time in two years. I'm still not behind Peralta who reminds me more of Roger Dorn every day and Raburn playing defense, I hope it isn't our back breaker.I guess you could say I think if our off season didn't suck that we might be winning the division right now and be the prohibitive favorite.

 

[Greco]

Two guys in the line up can hit. Two. Doesn't matter what your pitching does with this line up.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Two guys in the line up can hit. Two. Doesn't matter what your pitching does with this line up.

MiggyVMartPeraltaThose three can hit, well Peralta hits well enough for a SS anyway (and a .360 OBP). AJAx has been terrible and left the bases loaded last night with yet another K. Avila has been good, Boesch decent. Inge, Maggs, Raburn, whomever is playing second and Wells have all been bad to unwatchable. If they make any trades they need to find a decent hitter who actually walks sometimes(maybe they can deal for Matt Joyce). One very good thing about Sizemore is he draws walks, which this team has never been good at since Leyland has been in charge. Raburn will probably bust out of his slump but man people overestimated his worth this year. I like Peralta and VMart and can't imagine what this team would look like without them. They are wasting good pitching performances, that's a really bad sign. Hopefully Maggs was just hurt and he comes back and can at least get some extra bases and walks out of the line-up. Bat Miggy 3rd, VMart 4th and then Boesch/Maggs either 5 and 6.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Another fine outing by JV, hopefully they can get one of Papeldoosh and get him a win.

 

[MAC_32]

Oof.

Al.

Oof.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Oof.Al.Oof.

Boesch's AB in the 9th was the worst MLB AB I've seen this year.

 

[MAC_32]

Oof.Al.Oof.

Boesch's AB in the 9th was the worst MLB AB I've seen this year.

I was setting my lineup for Friday night during that AB - was deciding between Boesch, Rajai Davis, Austin Jackson, and Jason Heyward. Boesch made the decision very easy.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Two guys in the line up can hit. Two. Doesn't matter what your pitching does with this line up.

On the positive side, the lack of a DH this series might not hurt them too much.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

 

[MAC_32]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

And they spent this season focusing on improving the offense.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

And they spent this season focusing on improving the offense.

What would it take to get Lloyd fired? A rape allegation? I'm serious, it seems like it might take that. He should have been fired two years ago and he's still trudging along when this team should be in first place by three games, and ten ahead of the White Sox. Awful.

 

[Greco]

Why do they hate me?

 

[whoknew]

Tigers need to leave Leyland in Pittsburgh.

How the #### do you pull Porcello?!?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Tigers need to leave Leyland in Pittsburgh.How the #### do you pull Porcello?!?

He's a terrible manager. I've been telling you guys this for years

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tigers need to leave Leyland in Pittsburgh.How the #### do you pull Porcello?!?

He's a terrible manager. I've been telling you guys this for years

He hasn't been a terrible manager for years though. The past year he seems to have lost a step for sure and Porcello was only at 84 pitches today so he should have been sent back out there for the ninth. On Wednesday Leyland went to the mound to talk to Daniel Schlereth and Schlereth offered Leyland the baseball before Leyland said anything. Leyland left him in, next guy doubles.Pretty sure in Baseball Manager 101 they teach to pull the guy who is offering you the ball before you say a word.

 

[Greco]

bobby valentine would be awesome here.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

And they spent this season focusing on improving the offense.

What would it take to get Lloyd fired? A rape allegation? I'm serious, it seems like it might take that. He should have been fired two years ago and he's still trudging along when this team should be in first place by three games, and ten ahead of the White Sox. Awful.

there are 2 people on the staff Leyland isnt firing, Lloyd and Lamont.

 

[Apple Juice]

Not sure it matters who the Tigers' manager is this year. The boys can't hit and Cleveland is unbeatable. The Indians are a war-machine.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Not sure it matters who the Tigers' manager is this year. The boys can't hit and Cleveland is unbeatable. The Indians are a war-machine.

Well we are not even a third of the way through the season. I think Cleveland will hit a wall in the summer months and 86 wins still takes the division, but if they can't hit w/RISP or win on the road they aren't gonna win 76.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

They are what they are, a .500 team.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

And they spent this season focusing on improving the offense.

What would it take to get Lloyd fired? A rape allegation? I'm serious, it seems like it might take that. He should have been fired two years ago and he's still trudging along when this team should be in first place by three games, and ten ahead of the White Sox. Awful.

there are 2 people on the staff Leyland isnt firing, Lloyd and Lamont.

The "good-old-boys" network at its peak. They will all have to be dragged off at the same time.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Not sure it matters who the Tigers' manager is this year. The boys can't hit and Cleveland is unbeatable. The Indians are a war-machine.

Well we are not even a third of the way through the season. I think Cleveland will hit a wall in the summer months and 86 wins still takes the division, but if they can't hit w/RISP or win on the road they aren't gonna win 76.

YTa keep saying cleveland will hit a wall. But ya know what? it dont matter if the tigers dont get their heads out of their ###

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Not sure it matters who the Tigers' manager is this year. The boys can't hit and Cleveland is unbeatable. The Indians are a war-machine.

Well we are not even a third of the way through the season. I think Cleveland will hit a wall in the summer months and 86 wins still takes the division, but if they can't hit w/RISP or win on the road they aren't gonna win 76.

YTa keep saying cleveland will hit a wall. But ya know what? it dont matter if the tigers dont get their heads out of their ###

They=Tigers in my post above.

 

[Greco]

The lack of hitting is becoming "tragic."

And they spent this season focusing on improving the offense.

What would it take to get Lloyd fired? A rape allegation? I'm serious, it seems like it might take that. He should have been fired two years ago and he's still trudging along when this team should be in first place by three games, and ten ahead of the White Sox. Awful.

there are 2 people on the staff Leyland isnt firing, Lloyd and Lamont.

The "good-old-boys" network at its peak. They will all have to be dragged off at the same time.

I'll help drag if we're doing this.

 

[SofaKings]

At what point does the Leyland "watch" begin? This is horrid. Your bullpen is brutal and you pull your starter so that your closer can embarrass himself yet again with his bush league actions?

 

[whoknew]

I feel the power of the Furbush!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I feel the power of the Furbush!

Fear the Furbush!

 

[Limp Ditka]

I feel the power of the Furbush!

Fear the Furbush!

I'm certain Christo wouldn't fear any female members of the Furbush family.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

Why do this? ####! Valverde pitched yesterday, use someone else for Christ's sake when you are up 6-1! Perfect place for Ryan Perry who has been struggling. Dumb.

 

[meeka]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

Not only that, but he throws almost 30 pitches and will have to be on the shelf for at least a day.

 

[jon_mx]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

Why do this? ####! Valverde pitched yesterday, use someone else for Christ's sake when you are up 6-1! Perfect place for Ryan Perry who has been struggling. Dumb.

My thoughts exactly...idiotic move. When you put your closer in a non-save situation, they are always the suck.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

Why do this? ####! Valverde pitched yesterday, use someone else for Christ's sake when you are up 6-1! Perfect place for Ryan Perry who has been struggling. Dumb.

It's like he's too damn lazy to have someone pick up the phone and call the bullpen to change plans.

You know, I'd tell someone to do it right now if I wasn't in the middle of smoking this Marlboro

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Jimmy playing like this is game number 159, not a good sign. Could understand it had Valverde not pitched recently, but come on.

 

[Greco]

Jim is mailing it in.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Good thing Jimmy got Valverde in this pressure situation

Not only that, but he throws almost 30 pitches and will have to be on the shelf for at least a day.

Jim just wanted to show us Valverde could get the win despite his game ERA of 18.00.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Coke heading to the DL, Wilk called up from minors to take his place on the roster. Andy Oliver will be called up and will start on Saturday.

I have to wonder why Furbush didn't get a chance to start.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Coke heading to the DL, Wilk called up from minors to take his place on the roster. Andy Oliver will be called up and will start on Saturday. I have to wonder why Furbush didn't get a chance to start.

I think because Oliver put in his time last year and he deserves the shot first. I think they are running tandem anyway so if Oliver has issues, like many of us, they will turn to Furbush for comfort.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

if Oliver has issues, like many of us, they will turn to Furbush for comfort.

LOL

 

[jon_mx]

Verlander is having a terrible outing, but at least getting run support.