Greco
Footballguy
Ok, it's early July, but Jesus does this team suck or what?
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Footballguy
You have to wonder: If the problems persist for the Motor City Kitties, how much longer can they afford to pretend this is just a really good team off to a slow start?The fact that this squad was the no-brainer pick to win a mediocre division heightens concerns that things aren’t going the way they’d like them to right now. Do you send manager Jim Leyland packing based on the club’s inability to win consistently so far?, or do you stay with Leyland
Greco
Footballguy
Francona 2013
skillz
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
poop festival
Fire Lloyd!
Fire Lloyd!
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Right now, this Tigers team is what it is...a .500 team. They can't hit when they need to hit and can't pitch when they need to pitch. They aren't good enough to win. I'm not all that hopeful that things will change.
skillz
Footballguy
I think this too. A .500 team - can't get everything going at once and the injuries haven't helped. I just hope they don't try to patch it up by trading away a top prospect, or a bunch of prospects in hopes of making a run. I'd rather regroup next year with V-Mart returning, tweak the roster in the offseason, and dump Leyland for a manager that will have this team better prepared to play each day. The team seems way too comfortable with him and he doesn't seem to be changing his approach - time to change it up. That being said I keeping trying to be an optimist and keep thinking to myself that maybe they can squeak in like St. Louis did in 2006 and 2011 and make a run. But their defense and overall team baseball IQ is so terrible I don't see them winning consistently, let alone, against good teams when they need to. This season has been horrible to watch. If they were in any other division they'd be having a firesale right now. The pitiful AL Central is the only thing keeping them relevant right now, not their level of play. The other thing I keep asking myself is who is the leader on this team? Verlander? Seems like he is but it's hard to be the leader being a guy that pitches every 5th day. It's not Cabrera, Avila is too young, and Fielder just got there. Why they haven't had someone call a players only meeting and get things figured out is beyond me. Seems like a rudderless ship. Leyland is obviously not going to call a meeting - funny how in 2006 he took the team out to the woodshed in April before the road trip to Oakland. That was a turning point for that team and set the tone for the rest of the season. I don't see why someone doesn't try that now. The whole mentality keeps being - let's just coast along and then we'll put it together and make a run. This team hasn't won more than 2 in a row since May 25-27. Good luck with that type of mentality. On the Lloyd piece - I will say that the team has been hitting much better of late. My question on that is how much of that is attributable to Lloyd or Toby Harrah. Why Lloyd keeps his job while Harrah is with the team is laughable to me. Just give the job to Toby and be done with it - he's doing Lloyd's job anyway. The silver lining from this season is if it doesn't end up well Leyland will finally be gone.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Porcello giving up 13 base runners to get 11 outs quality shtick
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
What is worse, Porcello giving all that up or the Twinkies getting only 3 runs out of it? 13 hits for Minnesota and they currently lead by 1 run in the 6th.Porcello giving up 13 base runners to get 11 outs quality shtick
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Well, they changed it today with the 7-3 win. Prince comes through with the timely (and big) hit. Young gets a big hit when it's no longer necessary, which is quite typical for him. But the stinkin' Sux pulled out another one. We'll have to take care of them ourselves after the break. AJ and MC still rocking!!!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I like how fast Prince drops the bat when he cranks one. Not bad for a fat guy.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
3 out of 4 detroit pro team stadiums are awesome. Need a new one for the wings now. Hope you enjoy your stay in the D!
Premier
Footballguy
Thanks! Ford Field looks awesome too. Yea, we were just walking on the river, looked to the right...and there's Joe Louis. Caught me by surprise. Looked like another building.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
you going to the game again tonight? you check out greek block? the casinos? Layfayette coney?
Premier
Footballguy
Not going tonight. Heading out to Ann Arbor right now. Saw Greekville, MGM Casino and had Lafayette yesterday. Checking them all off the list. Went to a place called frankenmuth (?) the other day - phenomenal fried chicken.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ah yes, frankenmuth chicken. Ann Arbor must eats - Zingermans and Knights pub
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Its funny, TM, the Young HR was sort of necessary yesterday (and I am a Young hater). Ryno and I were at the game and it was hot as #####. After the Prince HR, there was a decent cheer, but everyone kind of just sat back down. Same thing happened on both plays at the plate for outs earlier in the game. On the Young HR, it was clear to us that it hit the green railing above the yellow line. No idea WTF the umps were seeing yesterday as Rayburn clearly caught the ball he dove for early in the game (we were about 15 yards from him and he dove right towards us). The crowd was jacked after Young's hit was not ruled an a home run, spinning their hands in the air and cheering for them to look at the replay. I took forever to Smokey to come out of the dugout, but when he did and it got them to review the play, the crowd stayed up, went nuts when they called it a home run and stayed into it though Valverde's final K.
Premier
Footballguy
We got taken to Grizzly Peak. Goooooood beer.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Valverde's fastball looked much better last night and had a lot more late movement.
I did not think the Sox were going to be about 10 games over going into the All-Star break, but you can't expect to make the playoffs playing .500 ball. Good to see Leyland lighting a fire under Raburn and Delmon's butt. I am very optimistic about the second half, but the first half was disappointing outside a few. Getting Fister back in form will be the key to a successful second half. That and some clutch hitting. Relief pitching looks to be solid finally.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm hoping this team is playing with some urgency now and not just thinking they are righting the ship by getting back to .500. They've already done this once this season and dropped the ball again. I like that the hitters are finally showing some discipline. Clearly Lloyd was a problem and I still don't like how he has been protected by Leyland but that's what you get with the old chainsmoking dummy.
The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
skillz
Footballguy
This series is why he needs to stay on the roster. Although not ideal, he's a better option to put in the lineup than the likes of Raburn and Boesch. Raburn getting thrown out at first just pisses me off - even if he somehow gets on base he screws up base running. Oh, and he also botched a ball at 2B yesterday. Guy is completely worthless yet they still trot him out there so he can find a way to hurt the team.Jackson saved Valverde's bacon in the 9th.The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
Team MVP through 1st Half:
1. Miguel......71 RBI's...just doing what he always does.
2. Jackson.....wow....impressive 1st half. And I was worried he would not be a good leadoff man after 180 Strikeouts last year.
3. Verlander....Pitching great as always. He deserves to be better than 9-5
4. Prince....Very good year....but not great.
5. Villarreal...with the exception of Valverde, the bullpen has really picked things up.
6. Quintin Berry....love what he adds to the team.
ETA....Delmon is moving up the charts!!!!
1. Miguel......71 RBI's...just doing what he always does.
2. Jackson.....wow....impressive 1st half. And I was worried he would not be a good leadoff man after 180 Strikeouts last year.
3. Verlander....Pitching great as always. He deserves to be better than 9-5
4. Prince....Very good year....but not great.
5. Villarreal...with the exception of Valverde, the bullpen has really picked things up.
6. Quintin Berry....love what he adds to the team.
ETA....Delmon is moving up the charts!!!!
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unf-ing stoppable!!!!The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Prince now will go into the All-Star break with 15 taters and 63 ribbies. Plus close to 40 base on balls. Prince is compiling some good stats.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
All-Star break stat I thought I'd never see:
Miggy OPS: .938
AJax OPS: .953
Miggy OPS: .938
AJax OPS: .953
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
unf-ing stoppable!!!!The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
He'll most likely get mentions for MVP after the scorching 2nd half he's about to have.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
'scrumptrulescent said:unf-ing stoppable!!!!The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
He has 10 HRs, four in the last four games. A .716 OPS out of your DH is unacceptable, he better start drawing more walks because at some point everyone is just going to autowalk Fielder. Hopefully Avila and or Boesch can straighten things out because Delmon is just not to be trusted drawing five walks in 215 plate appearances streak. I hope he hits great in the second half and earns himself a long-term contract with another team.Scherzer is the #2 pitcher and he should be mentioned before Berry and Villarreal above. I like those two guys a lot but they are bit players in the grand scheme of things. No mention of Castellanos being named futures game MVP?Tigers need to trade for a 2Bman or Corner OFer and I'm not crazy about trading for a guy like Matt Garza either. If Fister can recover I like the starting pitching just fine, Scherzer has been terrific lately and Porcello has been good outside that last outing. Orioles, Angels and White Sux out of the gate in the second half, we'll see what this team has but I'm not buying it yet. Any line-up with Raburn in it four times a week and Boesch in it more, is toublesome. When people start getting excited about what Delmon Young is doing that tells me they have some serious holes. Maybe Toby Harrah is actually scouting the other teams though, they have hit since he was named associate hitting coach.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Prince!!!
Carry into the second half, big guy.
Carry into the second half, big guy.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Scherzer doesn't though, I'm starting to think YOU are the problem and not them.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Radio talking heads mention that Castellanos is being moved to LF in the minors. Toby Harrah = human rain delay guy?'scrumptrulescent said:unf-ing stoppable!!!!The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
MAC_32
Footballguy
September plan B?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Mike Hargrove was the human rain delay.Those Detroit Talk Radio Guys are idiots, they really know nothing about baseball (I hate Cavuto in particular). Castellanos is being worked out in the outfield, he's not been moved anywhere yet. It is probably best to leave him at 3B unless they think he's coming to Detroit next year out of Spring Training. He's 20 years old and has a sub 800 OPS in Erie, he's not ready yet. They better not trade him though unless they get a real established star in return, otherwise it would be pretty stupid given the lack of position player talent in this organization over the past 30+ years.Radio talking heads mention that Castellanos is being moved to LF in the minors. Toby Harrah = human rain delay guy?'scrumptrulescent said:unf-ing stoppable!!!!The guy is a machine!!!Delmon! Delmon! Delmon!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Can't be any worse then some they have had out there this year.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I'm guessing many would disagree but I don't like the thought of trading for Justin Upton. I'd have to guess that Arizona would LOVE to get a 3B of the future since they really don't have much. All the rumors about Arizona's willingness to move Upton scare me. It has got to mean he either has injuries that could affect his career or he's just a lazy jerk like his brother. Otherwise why would you move a 24 year old potential superstar who is under contract through 2015?
I want Castellanos in a Tiger uniform.
I want Castellanos in a Tiger uniform.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Matt Davidson is Arizona's 3B for the future. I too would be real upset if we traded Castellanos and it'd probably take him to get a guy like Upton. I won't gripe if we trade anyone else though.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I didn't know anything about Matt Davidson. According to some blurb picked up by MLB Trade Rumors, the D-Backs would be in the market for a 3B, among other positions.
I think Arizona would want more than just Castellanos for Justin Upton.ETA: Looks like Upton's contract balloons from 6.75 mill in 2012, to over 9 mill in 2013, then over 14 mill for 2014 and 2015. And Detroit is one of a few teams he can block a trade to.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Maybe they're projecting Davidson to 1B or LF?
He's just 21 and has taken big strides at double A this year lowering his previously troublesome k:bb and he's hitting for more power, looking more and more like a 25/95/.275/.340 bat. Last I read he was still developing his defensive skills at 3B, but he was far from a lost cause.And, I agree, it'd take more than Castellanos to get Upton so I don't see anything there.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Well Verlander will have to pitch on the road in game 1 of the World Series this year, hopefully he makes up for his performance tonight.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I like that thinking!Reading JV's comments on the Tigers' website this a.m. was interesting. He apparently laughed it all off ...decided the fans wanted to see 100 mph heat, not working the corners at 90 mph. After one 100, Fielder shouted "Ver, 101!" and JV complied. He stated he typically establishes his mechanics early in the game and then is able to pitch hard (with accuracy) later on. I'd have preferred some shut-down mastery (like the two K's he got), but that's just me. Back to our regularly scheduled winning streak ...Well Verlander will have to pitch on the road in game 1 of the World Series this year, hopefully he makes up for his performance tonight.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'd love to know what his between starts routine is, maybe he was replicating that.I like that thinking!Reading JV's comments on the Tigers' website this a.m. was interesting. He apparently laughed it all off ...decided the fans wanted to see 100 mph heat, not working the corners at 90 mph. After one 100, Fielder shouted "Ver, 101!" and JV complied. He stated he typically establishes his mechanics early in the game and then is able to pitch hard (with accuracy) later on. I'd have preferred some shut-down mastery (like the two K's he got), but that's just me. Back to our regularly scheduled winning streak ...Well Verlander will have to pitch on the road in game 1 of the World Series this year, hopefully he makes up for his performance tonight.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Considering it now includes piping Kate Upton, I figure he'll tire out around mid-August.I'd love to know what his between starts routine is, maybe he was replicating that.I like that thinking!Reading JV's comments on the Tigers' website this a.m. was interesting. He apparently laughed it all off ...decided the fans wanted to see 100 mph heat, not working the corners at 90 mph. After one 100, Fielder shouted "Ver, 101!" and JV complied. He stated he typically establishes his mechanics early in the game and then is able to pitch hard (with accuracy) later on. I'd have preferred some shut-down mastery (like the two K's he got), but that's just me. Back to our regularly scheduled winning streak ...Well Verlander will have to pitch on the road in game 1 of the World Series this year, hopefully he makes up for his performance tonight.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yup, his fastball should be spent by then.Considering it now includes piping Kate Upton, I figure he'll tire out around mid-August.I'd love to know what his between starts routine is, maybe he was replicating that.I like that thinking!Reading JV's comments on the Tigers' website this a.m. was interesting. He apparently laughed it all off ...decided the fans wanted to see 100 mph heat, not working the corners at 90 mph. After one 100, Fielder shouted "Ver, 101!" and JV complied. He stated he typically establishes his mechanics early in the game and then is able to pitch hard (with accuracy) later on. I'd have preferred some shut-down mastery (like the two K's he got), but that's just me. Back to our regularly scheduled winning streak ...Well Verlander will have to pitch on the road in game 1 of the World Series this year, hopefully he makes up for his performance tonight.
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