scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
No, I do not think the Tigers will resign Sanchez. He's a hired gun attempting to finish a job (WS). He'll ask for #1/#2 type money, not #4 type money. Smyly is in the rotation next year. They need a lefty anyway.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
why would he care, he's 83, near the end. He never stopped spending w the wings after the first title.Sanchez though might be a luxury, they still have porcello and smyly, I agree that the tigers need a lefty in the rotation
MAC_32
Footballguy
Before February I wouldn't have imagined him shelling out $200 mil for a player not already on the roster, one injury and boom - done. I just expect the unexpected with him, like any old man. Not sureif the Wings are a good comp though, fairly sure the NHL has/had a salary cap.A lefty would be nice, but to give arbitrary grades I'd rather have a 90 righty (Sanchez) than a 75 lefty. I think we need another southpaw in the pen though.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
hockey did not have a cap until the previous work stoppage. Wings out spent everyone.The Fielder thing was because he's old, wants a world series title badly, Victor was hurt and Mr. I knew Prince personally, plus he was available
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Your opinions of starters can't be trusted the way you were carrying on about Sanchez when Mac and I were telling you to wait (and then the recent shtick of Sanchez pitching well "lately" when he's had quality starts in 10 of 14 games in Detroit including nine of the last ten). Porcello is only the 6th pitcher in MLB history to have ten wins in each of his first four seasons. He's a ground ball pitcher with a suspect range infield behind him. He's perfectly fine as a #4 or #5 starter.
I think Scherzer is the guy to sign long-term this offseason since his arbitration price is going to be extremely high anyway. Fister you can wait at least one year, maybe two. I think Sanchez is gone, he's going to get paid and it doesn't make a ton of sense for the Tigers to spend on him when they can invest the same money in Scherzer. Also the depth of the franchise is in starting pitching, Smyly, Crosby, Oliver are all above average prospects, while Paulino, Flynn and Burgos provide organizational depth. I like Sanchez and hope he helps them win a World Series but I like Scherzer more for sure and maybe Fister about the same. But it's not my money, if Mr I wants to bring him back I'm all for it as long as Scherzer gets his deal as well and they can leave some for a corner OFer.
Doctor Detroit
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From MLB Trade rumors, the list of FA closers:Closers
Rodney and Balfour seem to be no-brainer club options. Broxton is intriguing and the Royals have already said Soria is gone. I like the idea of bringing in Soria and then using Villarreal/Al Al as possible alternatives early in the year until Soria shakes off the rust and the Tommy John. Madson is another guy on that list I might like, no way the Philies pick up that option. The rest seem meh, Soriano is on the list as well as the Yankees have a $14mm club option I would think they wouldn't pick up. He would probably be the most sought after guy on that list though. With closers I think developing within is the best option and with Al Al and villarreal and then Rondon, you have three potential candidates. Worst case scenario is using Benoit hoping he can regain what we saw the first 1.5 years in Detroit and then hoping one of those young guys can grab the reigns. Juan Carlos Oviedo is another guy I like regardless of what roll he'd be in and you could throw him in with Benoit early in the season to see what sticks.
Not exactly....'Doctor Detroit said:
Let's face it, three of his first four starts were stinkers. In the 12 games he pitched for the Tigers, we went 5-7. I said Day 1, starting Sanchez over Porcello/Smyly would add about 2 wins. That was high if anything. From what Sanchez gave us during the regular season, it is questionable whether he was worth giving up Turner. But what Sanchez is giving us during the post season, he is definitely worth it. He is pitching like a #1/#2, so I am admitting he is better than I expected. I am not sure why you dish me for admitting I was wrong. I like Porcello as a pitcher, I was just hoping he would get his era closer to 4 and start win more games than he loses. At this point, I like Smyly better. I am Fister's biggest supporter on this forum, when a lot of people were dishing him. I don't claim to be a huge expert on pitchers, but my opinion has not been that terrible.
Doctor Detroit
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If you are going to try and beagle me, please use context or logic when trying to disprove me. That post above was a one game situation where I wasn't starting Sanchez in my fantasy lineup.Read this and then the whole page
I hear what you are saying on Fister, I was accused by the entire forum last year of turning a blind homer eye when I consistently defended Max Scherzer. I was right in the end, and this is actually the first time I've mentioned it since. Satisfaction is knowing they know you were right.
You also don't have to like or prefer Smyly over Porcello because they will likely both be in the rotation next year. Smyly is still very young though and his second and third seasons may get rough if he's only able to throw two pitches for strikes. I think his development will have some pitfalls but overall I think he'll prove to be a longterm #3 type of guy. But he might not be very good at times next year, all part of being a young pitcher.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Certainly not
about the being right part.
Doctor Detroit
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Well...maybe I did mention it once or twice.Certainly not
Doctor Detroit
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"Ground ball to Jhonny Peralta, one of the best in the business."
Doctor Detroit
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We gotta hit more and we can't just throw away runs like Omar and Gene did tonight.
I don't know what to say about Verlander, he wasn't at his best but WTF more can you ask for? Would love to see Mad Max out-duel Fatbathia and close this series, he was our best pitcher for a majority of the season and deserves more accolades.
I don't know what to say about Verlander, he wasn't at his best but WTF more can you ask for? Would love to see Mad Max out-duel Fatbathia and close this series, he was our best pitcher for a majority of the season and deserves more accolades.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Absolutely. From August 10, a day where he shut down the Rangers on the road, to September 12, which comprises one of the many stretches where the Tigers were horribly inconsistent, Max racked up six wins out of seven games, and in the no-decision game went eight innings giving up two runs. He carried the Tigers during that crucial stretch, pitching deep into every game and notching two wins against the White Sox.
Verlander gets all the glory, but Max is just as much responsible for the Tigers being in the postseason this year. He was a total stud down the stretch.
I thought Verlander was outstanding last night. Until the 9th, nobody hit him hard. The defense had the whole night off. A bunch of lazy pop flies and easy ground balls. Nobody got past first base. Cabrera and Fielder both had one sharp hit ball at them, and that was about it. Verlander was painting the outside of the strike zone all night. He might not of gotten strikeouts, but that was a great performance even by Verlander standards. The Yankees worked their ABs hard, and still did not draw walks.
whoknew
Footballguy
I have tickets to Thursday's game - so I kind of have mixed feelings about tonight. I mean - I guess I want them to win. But it sure would be nice to be there when they close it out.
Doctor Detroit
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I hear ya but I just want them to win game 4 as soon as possible. I was thinking about the layoff before the last World Series and how that killed us, but that was a red hot hitting team that was impacted. These guys can't hit now, should be no difference there. Pitching I think remains mostly the same, a week off for a pitcher is fine. FINISH HIM!
Locked out of World Series TIX this morning, will have to buy on secondary market. Oof.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Congrats to the Tiger fans.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Congrats on a great post season. Good luck in the World Series...
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Nice job guys. Good luck. 
Doctor Detroit
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They have to win for Mr I, they have to.
Don't drink and drive everyone! /leyland
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Might smoke a Marlboro in celebration tonight. I have ragged Leyland as bad as anyone but I'll give him credit: 2 World Series, 3 ALCS. Prior to that the 90's and early 2000's were miserable.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he looked like a corpse up there, an that wig, gotta do it for the old man, come on Tigers!!!!!
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Greco
Footballguy
It seems to me the Tigers are going to be at a serious disadvantage vs. the Cardinals in the WS. First off, they've got to play Delmon in LF. That's got to be worth, at a minimum, an extended inning or two. Second, you're probably going to have to use your bullpen much more frequently in the NL parks, thus, removing the SP much earlier than the team would like. With the SP being the strength of this team that has to cost them at least a game via the blown hold/save. Third, the Cardinals have the defending champ swagger. They look like they are brimming with confidence and I would fully expect them to steamroll their AL opponent. Cards in 4.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Cards will also have at least one less day of rust compared to the tigers.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Should we blame Verlander for blowing the All-Star game? Or should the All-Star game be void because a drug fueled Melky Cabrera led the NL?
Greco
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Interesting, isn't it? JV needs to win that first game to take away the home field edge resulting from the All-Star game. Regarding the bullpen, I think Leyland needs to be ready to use Smyly and Porcello for some 2-3 inning stints when they lose the DH. Don't know why Leyland only used Smyly for one batter the other night unless they wanted to give Dotel some work. But those three can get them to the eighth or ninth when they turn it over to Coke, Benoit, or possibly AA. Tigers in 5.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Not to mention their ballpark is going to be tougher to play in. New York was a morgue, in large part because the Tigers scored first, but once they did they were able to cruise (with the exception of Valverde). Now the environment is going to be more like it was in Oakland. The St. Louis lineup is a lot more confident and clutch. St. Louis scares the hell out of me. They're more talented than Oakland and more determined than New York. They should be considered the favorites going in and I expect late innings heroics to decide two games in their favor. Cards in 5.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The Cards are not yet in the series.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Agreed I wanted anyone in the NL but them to make it to the series. Ugh
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Detroit — The Tigers have a plan in place to stay sharp over the next five days.
Manager Jim Leyland said Friday morning on ESPN's "Mike and Mike In the Morning" that many of the organization's minor leaguers will be joining the Tigers to participate in a series of scrimmages and simulated games.
There were rumblings that those would take place in Lakeland, Fla., over the next several days as the Tigers prepare for the World Series to start Wednesday.
But the workouts will, in fact, be in Detroit.
It's all in response to what happened in 2006, when the Tigers had six days off before the World Series — then came out flat against the Cardinals, losing in five games.
"We're gonna be more prepared this time," Leyland told "Mike and Mike." "We're definitely trying something different this time around. I don't know if it's gonna work, but we're trying something."
There will be a workout Saturday in Detroit, followed by games Sunday and Monday. The Tigers likely would then travel Monday night or Tuesday morning.
Leyland said exactly what many fans are thinking: Wrapping up the ALCS so quickly — the Tigers completed a sweep of the Yankees on Thursday night — can cause some issues, because of the long layoff.
In 2006, the Tigers swept the A's in the ALCS, but their hitters were seriously out of sync in the World Series.
"You can get mentally rusty more than anything else," Leyland told hosts Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic. "You just had an emotional win like you had last night, to really get the adrenaline going, and then you sit around for five, six days, a week, That's pretty tough."
The Tigers are waiting to learn if they'll play the Cardinals or Giants in the World Series. It's likely to again be St. Louis, which leads the NLCS, 3-1, with a potential clincher tonight.
Helping hands:
Paul Wezner of TigsTown.com identified some of the minor leaguers headed to Detroit to scrimmage the Tigers:
Darin Downs, LHP
Jason King, 3B
Jeff McVaney, OF
Hudson Randall, RHP
Joe Rogers, LHP
Slade Smith, RHP
Devon Travis, 2B
Wezner also said RHP Brayan Villarreal and OF Brennan Boesch, who were not on the ALCS roster, would participate in the scrimmage, as well as non-roster catchers Bryan Holaday and Patrick Leyland
Manager Jim Leyland said Friday morning on ESPN's "Mike and Mike In the Morning" that many of the organization's minor leaguers will be joining the Tigers to participate in a series of scrimmages and simulated games.
There were rumblings that those would take place in Lakeland, Fla., over the next several days as the Tigers prepare for the World Series to start Wednesday.
But the workouts will, in fact, be in Detroit.
It's all in response to what happened in 2006, when the Tigers had six days off before the World Series — then came out flat against the Cardinals, losing in five games.
"We're gonna be more prepared this time," Leyland told "Mike and Mike." "We're definitely trying something different this time around. I don't know if it's gonna work, but we're trying something."
There will be a workout Saturday in Detroit, followed by games Sunday and Monday. The Tigers likely would then travel Monday night or Tuesday morning.
Leyland said exactly what many fans are thinking: Wrapping up the ALCS so quickly — the Tigers completed a sweep of the Yankees on Thursday night — can cause some issues, because of the long layoff.
In 2006, the Tigers swept the A's in the ALCS, but their hitters were seriously out of sync in the World Series.
"You can get mentally rusty more than anything else," Leyland told hosts Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic. "You just had an emotional win like you had last night, to really get the adrenaline going, and then you sit around for five, six days, a week, That's pretty tough."
The Tigers are waiting to learn if they'll play the Cardinals or Giants in the World Series. It's likely to again be St. Louis, which leads the NLCS, 3-1, with a potential clincher tonight.
Helping hands:
Paul Wezner of TigsTown.com identified some of the minor leaguers headed to Detroit to scrimmage the Tigers:
Darin Downs, LHP
Jason King, 3B
Jeff McVaney, OF
Hudson Randall, RHP
Joe Rogers, LHP
Slade Smith, RHP
Devon Travis, 2B
Wezner also said RHP Brayan Villarreal and OF Brennan Boesch, who were not on the ALCS roster, would participate in the scrimmage, as well as non-roster catchers Bryan Holaday and Patrick Leyland
IMO, if the Tigers can get Sanchez for something in the neighborhood of $10 million, they sign him. But there are several teams interested, so the price could get stupid. In which case we lose him. However, I think he knows it is a great situation, so Detroit has a bit of an advantage over other teams. It may take a $15 million a year offer from another team to get him.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
St. Louis doesn't care who the other team is or what style of play is required, they just win. If you're not scared of St. Louis you haven't been paying attention. How the match-up looks on paper and how each team is playing might matter in most cases, but not against the Cards.
I think our starting pitching can keep anyone in check. My biggest fear is that Leyland really considers Coke our closer now. If so, there is a painful lesson coming up.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
I have to think they'd draw 10,000+ on Sunday if they opened up general admission at a moderate price and gave part of the gate to charity. I'd head down to watch if they offered this up.'Leroy Hoard said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think he only picked phil coke because of how many lefties were in the NYY lineup.
Greco
Footballguy
This.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The Cards still have not qualified to play in the World Series as of yet. I am thinking the Giants may steal this thing.
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