Ohio pot legalization - Maybe next time (1 Viewer)

[tonydead]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

I don't like the monopoly either, but I'd rather see it legal with a monopoly that we can work on changing later rather than be illegal with no monopoly.

This. There are all kinds of things they are changing in Washington now it's past. Just getting it legalized is the crack the will eventually open up the dam. Do it and don't worry how it's written.

 

[Politician Spock]

Does this have a good chance at passing? I thought Ohio had a lot of old, conservative types.

Ohio is the 7th most populous state in the nation, and it contains a diverse mixture of old, young, white, minority, rich, and poor. There's a reason that is one of the main targets for presidential elections. We're pretty much 50/50 on everything. As Ohio goes, so goes the country.

When someone yells "GET OFF MY LAWN", he's usually yelling at a group.

 

[MikeIke]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

I don't like the monopoly either, but I'd rather see it legal with a monopoly that we can work on changing later rather than be illegal with no monopoly.

This. There are all kinds of things they are changing in Washington now it's past. Just getting it legalized is the crack the will eventually open up the dam. Do it and don't worry how it's written.

I used up all my likes. Consider this an IOU.

 

[Warsteinner]

Called an audible as I voted and went NO on 2 and YES on 3.

 

[wadegarrett]

Called an audible as I voted and went NO on 2 and YES on 3.

Just performed my civic duty and voted the same. Weed for everyone!

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

This is all very Ohio. Similar to how they granted a state-wide monopoly to the casinos (who then went after the internet sweepstakes cafes).

 

[Cjw_55106]

10 companies? Thats a hell of a lot more options than we get in other areas of our lives. How many cable TV choices do you have?

 

[Copeman]

So, if I am a resident of Pennsylvania, can I simply cross state lines, buy it, and take it home? Or do you need to show Ohio residency? Asking for a friend.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So, if I am a resident of Pennsylvania, can I simply cross state lines, buy it, and take it home? Or do you need to show Ohio residency? Asking for a friend.

Im sure anyone can buy it. Im also sure its illegal to take it across state lines.

 

[Ned]

Let's go Ohio!

 

[Warsteinner]

Anyone know when things would be official assuming 2 fails and 3 passes? When would I technically be able to get my $50 license and start my grow room? I don't however, plan on getting the license. I'm just going to be a farmer.

 

[Jobber]

I'm hearing a lot of people are voting this down since it's not the perfect bill. Shame.

 

[(HULK)]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

I don't like the monopoly either, but I'd rather see it legal with a monopoly that we can work on changing later rather than be illegal with no monopoly.

I'm just catching up on this thread.

10 companies doesn't equal a monopoly. That is enough for a very competitive market place.

That said, capping it at that point is both capricious and arbitrary, and I don't see the benefit to the citizens of doing so. Are they selling them at auction or something? I'll catch up.

 

[NutterButter]

10 companies? Thats a hell of a lot more options than we get in other areas of our lives. How many cable TV choices do you have?

That's what I was thinking as well. How many options do you really need to ensure healthy competition. I figure once legalization goes national, its going to be dominated by all the big players anyway.

 

[mr roboto]

Could someone post a short explanation of the different elements?

 

[(HULK)]

10 companies? Thats a hell of a lot more options than we get in other areas of our lives. How many cable TV choices do you have?

That's what I was thinking as well. How many options do you really need to ensure healthy competition. I figure once legalization goes national, its going to be dominated by all the big players anyway.

There will likely be some sort of micro-brewery equivalent.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm hearing a lot of people are voting this down since it's not the perfect bill. Shame.

They can re-write it next election and I'll vote yes. Not this time though.

 

[NutterButter]

10 companies? Thats a hell of a lot more options than we get in other areas of our lives. How many cable TV choices do you have?

That's what I was thinking as well. How many options do you really need to ensure healthy competition. I figure once legalization goes national, its going to be dominated by all the big players anyway.

There will likely be some sort of micro-brewery equivalent.

Yeah, that's the scenario I was thinking of as well. Oh well, no micro breweries.

 

[Jobber]

I'm hearing a lot of people are voting this down since it's not the perfect bill. Shame.

They can re-write it next election and I'll vote yes. Not this time though.

It takes a lot of money and effort to get something like this on the ballot. Maybe those that paid for this figure it's not worth trying a second time. We'll see.

 

[Bobcat10]

Anyone know when things would be official assuming 2 fails and 3 passes? When would I technically be able to get my $50 license and start my grow room? I don't however, plan on getting the license. I'm just going to be a farmer.

Thought I heard Issue 3 is 30 days....and Issue 2 would be 1 day....which is one of the problems with a Yes/Yes result.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm hearing a lot of people are voting this down since it's not the perfect bill. Shame.

They can re-write it next election and I'll vote yes. Not this time though.

It takes a lot of money and effort to get something like this on the ballot. Maybe those that paid for this figure it's not worth trying a second time. We'll see.

It will make it back. Hopefully this time with less monopolies.

 

[roadkill1292]

Trying to think this through. Assuming passage (not a given), there will be only 10 growers. But there will be upwards of a thousand retailers (one per 10,000 residents) buying from them. Could the retailers, consumers and people wanting to crack the grow monopoly attain enough money and power in the future to overturn the current pending legislation and open up commercial growing to many others?

Mull this over while I'm checking the maps to find the closest Ohio county to me. I think it's across the river from Parkersburg.

 

[Das Boot]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

 

[NutterButter]

Link

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Yo dawg, I'm puffin on that Frostee Rucker purp

 

[jwb]

Don't mess this up, Ohioguys. Get it recreational-use legal east of the Mississippi, and worry about the "who profits?" details later.

Failure to get it legal will only result in a national statement of "see, except for those hippie states, more people are still against it than for it". The details of "I'd be for it, but not this way" will be lost.

 

[psychobillies]

Don't mess this up, Ohioguys. Get it recreational-use legal east of the Mississippi, and worry about the "who profits?" details later.

Failure to get it legal will only result in a national statement of "see, except for those hippie states, more people are still against it than for it". The details of "I'd be for it, but not this way" will be lost.

This. Ohio can either push forward legalization or set it back for the foreseeable future.

 

[Glass Joe]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

Same here. I don't think it appropriate to legislate a board to review bills to determine if they endorse a monopoly. And I don't want to give the 10 companies sole monopolistic rights over weed. I want it legal, but not this way.

 

[(HULK)]

If there is more than 1 company in a market, it is NOT a monopoly.

I'm not saying that capping it at 10 companies is a fantastic idea (in fact, I think it isn't), but STOP USING THE WORD MONOPOLY to describe this situation.

#wordsmeanthings

 

[SacramentoBob]

If there is more than 1 company in a market, it is NOT a monopoly.

I'm not saying that capping it at 10 companies is a fantastic idea (in fact, I think it isn't), but STOP USING THE WORD MONOPOLY to describe this situation.

#wordsmeanthings

You don't have a monopoly over the meaning of the word monopoly.

 

[Buzzbait]

Could someone post a short explanation of the different elements?

Issue 2 (anti-monopoly amendment) Would prohibit any petitioner from using the Ohio Constitution to grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel for their exclusive financial benefit or to establish a preferential tax status.

Issue 3 Grants a monopoly for the commercial production and sale of marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes.

If you want marijuana to pass in Ohio, vote no on Issue 2 and yes on Issue 3.

If you want marijuana to remain illegal in Ohio, vote yes on Issue 2 and no on Issue 3.

If both Issues fail, nothing happens. If Issue 2 and Issue 3 both pass, then the topic will likely be brought before the Supreme Court of Ohio.

 

[wadegarrett]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

Same here. I don't think it appropriate to legislate a board to review bills to determine if they endorse a monopoly. And I don't want to give the 10 companies sole monopolistic rights over weed. I want it legal, but not this way.

You can't regulate properly with unlimited grow facilities.

 

[mr roboto]

Could someone post a short explanation of the different elements?

Issue 2 (anti-monopoly amendment) Would prohibit any petitioner from using the Ohio Constitution to grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel for their exclusive financial benefit or to establish a preferential tax status. Issue 3 Grants a monopoly for the commercial production and sale of marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes.

If you want marijuana to pass in Ohio, vote no on Issue 2 and yes on Issue 3.

If you want marijuana to remain illegal in Ohio, vote yes on Issue 2 and no on Issue 3.

If both Issues fail, nothing happens. If Issue 2 and Issue 3 both pass, then the topic will likely be brought before the Supreme Court of Ohio.

This is a weird setup.

 

[SacramentoBob]

People who don't like the monopoly but are for weed legalization should be voting yes on #2 and #3 instead of voting #3 down.

 

[Brownsfan]

Called an audible as I voted and went NO on 2 and YES on 3.

Just performed my civic duty and voted the same. Weed for everyone!

I voted this way also

 

[Bobcat10]

Don't mess this up, Ohioguys. Get it recreational-use legal east of the Mississippi, and worry about the "who profits?" details later.

Failure to get it legal will only result in a national statement of "see, except for those hippie states, more people are still against it than for it". The details of "I'd be for it, but not this way" will be lost.

This. Ohio can either push forward legalization or set it back for the foreseeable future.

Never really thought of it this way. The Eastern US has a pretty large stake in this.

 

[Quez]

This is going to confuse the hell out of stoners.

Once Pandora's box is open things will ease up. Do you think they will really be raiding non-licensed growers when they are selling it on every corner?

This is really what the East Coast needs. Once there is a state East of the Mississippi to open up recreational weed, the other states will have no choice but to adapt. Look at the neighbors of Colorado already asking for Federal assistance. So many people are trafficking they don't know what to do.

 

[roadkill1292]

You Ohio guys who voted, what was turnout looking like? If it's low, it might be worthwhile to go out looking for young people and shuttle them to the polls. Every vote might matter.

 

[NREC34]

I can literally walk outside my office and look across the river and see Ohio. Please let it pass lol.

 

[beavers]

I hate the state consitutional amendments here. It's so different than the US Consitution ... It shouldn't be this easy to pass an amendment. I hated the gay marriage ban, hated the casino, and am not a fan of issue 3.

FTR, I am gay, play craps, black jack and roulette at the casino, and am pro pot.

I am not voting today, either. I hope issue 3 fails.

 

[lod01]

Could someone post a short explanation of the different elements?

Issue 2 (anti-monopoly amendment) Would prohibit any petitioner from using the Ohio Constitution to grant a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel for their exclusive financial benefit or to establish a preferential tax status. Issue 3 Grants a monopoly for the commercial production and sale of marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes.

If you want marijuana to pass in Ohio, vote no on Issue 2 and yes on Issue 3.

If you want marijuana to remain illegal in Ohio, vote yes on Issue 2 and no on Issue 3.

If both Issues fail, nothing happens. If Issue 2 and Issue 3 both pass, then the topic will likely be brought before the Supreme Court of Ohio.

This is a weird setup.

The state did not think that it would get to the ballot. When it did, they created a way to stop it even if #3 passes.

 

[thayman]

I hate the state consitutional amendments here. It's so different than the US Consitution ... It shouldn't be this easy to pass an amendment. I hated the gay marriage ban, hated the casino, and am not a fan of issue 3.

FTR, I am gay, play craps, black jack and roulette at the casino, and am pro pot.

I am not voting today, either. I hope issue 3 fails.

Then go vote.

 

[beavers]

I hate the state consitutional amendments here. It's so different than the US Consitution ... It shouldn't be this easy to pass an amendment. I hated the gay marriage ban, hated the casino, and am not a fan of issue 3.

FTR, I am gay, play craps, black jack and roulette at the casino, and am pro pot.

I am not voting today, either. I hope issue 3 fails.

Then go vote.

Used to be actively involved in politics, stopped voting in 2008 and have no idea if and where I'm registered.

Maybe next year.

 

[Bobcat10]

Is there a provision for home growing in any of this legislation?

4 plants iirc

 

[Bobcat10]

For the people against a "monopoly", what's the other side? Anyone can grow as much as they want? The stores can get it from whoever?

 

[MAC_32]

If there is more than 1 company in a market, it is NOT a monopoly.

I'm not saying that capping it at 10 companies is a fantastic idea (in fact, I think it isn't), but STOP USING THE WORD MONOPOLY to describe this situation.

#wordsmeanthings

Semantics, point still stands. No problem with weed being legal. I have a problem with the way this is worded. Word it so it makes sense and I vote yes. Silly to vote yes then take it to courts to change it later. KISS - if it doesn't make sense as is then no. When it does then yes.

 

[Godsbrother]

For the people against a "monopoly", what's the other side? Anyone can grow as much as they want? The stores can get it from whoever?

How could anyone be against this guy: http://nordoniahillsbranch.akronlibrary.org/files/2013/01/monopolyman.jpg

 

[Glass Joe]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

Same here. I don't think it appropriate to legislate a board to review bills to determine if they endorse a monopoly. And I don't want to give the 10 companies sole monopolistic rights over weed. I want it legal, but not this way.

You can't regulate properly with unlimited grow facilities.

You can license grow facilities. The idea of constitutionally legislating favoritism towards a few businesses is wrong.

 

[DocHolliday]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

I voted the same way. Sorry boys, I am not for the legalization of weed.

 

[thayman]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

I voted the same way. Sorry boys, I am not for the legalization of weed.

How come?