Ohio pot legalization - Maybe next time (1 Viewer)

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Does anyone know if any states will vote on legalization in 2016?

they'll definitely be some. Cali, Mass, Nevada, Arizona and Maine looking good.

CA is de facto legal. The only hurdle is a BS marijuana card.

Does that basically apply for anywhere medical mj is legal?

I think doctor's in some other states are strict about giving out mj scripts. Here you can tell the doctor that your eyes are too white and they need to be red.

You can always find a doctor to write what you want if you do enough shopping around.

 

[roadkill1292]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

 

[B-Deep]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

https://legalizeohio2016.org/

 

[lod01]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

 

[roadkill1292]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

If true, this is actually a shrewd observation. Who are you and what have you done with FavreCo?

 

[lod01]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

If true, this is actually a shrewd observation. Who are you and what have you done with FavreCo?

FavreCo got railroaded by the mods because he's a genius so they illegally banned him for no reason.

16 plants at an average height of 20 feet high.... That's how tall my cousins plants were with miracle grow and 1/2 day of sunlight (backed up against the treeline) for 5 months grow time. THAT is a lot of weed.

 

[B-Deep]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

anyone could grow their own, but to sell it and make a profit you had to be one of the 10 groups that the law listed

conversely, the 2016 petition allows for you to grow...i think 6 plants per adult living with a max of 12. And anyone who goes through the proper processes and gets licensed can be a commercial grower

 

[lod01]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

anyone could grow their own, but to sell it and make a profit you had to be one of the 10 groups that the law listed

conversely, the 2016 petition allows for you to grow...i think 6 plants per adult living with a max of 12. And anyone who goes through the proper processes and gets licensed can be a commercial grower

Another one coming in 2016? So they got petitions rolling off the assembly line? At least they are trying.

 

[DocHolliday]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

 

[roadkill1292]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

anyone could grow their own, but to sell it and make a profit you had to be one of the 10 groups that the law listed

conversely, the 2016 petition allows for you to grow...i think 6 plants per adult living with a max of 12. And anyone who goes through the proper processes and gets licensed can be a commercial grower

So is that 12 plants at any one time? It's about a four-month grow cycle indoors, right? That's a lot of weed.

:daydreaming:

 

[lod01]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

Meh, it's not a gateway drug. I started with marijuana, I stopped with marijuana. Had zero interest in anything else. Pretty sure I once ate a hash brownie laced with acid. No big deal. Didn't all of a sudden want acid. See it's all up to the person.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

Lol

 

[DocHolliday]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

Lol

Glad you think death is funny. You really are a ####

 

[roadkill1292]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

This post is so stereotypical that it makes me want to ask "which one of you ####ers is ####### with us?"

 

[CowboysFromHell]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

They probably think you're a serious moron as well.

 

[DocHolliday]

I am not messing. That is how I feel after growing up in a drug world in the late 80s. I saw enough stuff that I will never change my mind. Many of my friends from that life feel the same way. Weed is not going to be legal in OH for at least 20 years.

 

[lod01]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

They probably think you're a serious moron as well.

That would make them wrong twice then since they voted wrong.

 

[Tom Servo]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

The problem I have with the bolded argument is that it's very easy for kids to get pot now in most American towns and cities.

 

[roadkill1292]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

 

[James Daulton]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

People switch jobs and retire. Why shoot down a law you'd like to take advantage of in the future just because you can't now?

 

[tonydead]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

The problem I have with the bolded argument is that it's very easy for kids to get pot now in most American towns and cities.

The availability argument is probably the poorest argument against that there is. As you point out it is available everywhere, despite the war on drugs, and when we finally get it legal at a low cost it would eliminate the sources that are willing to sell to kids. In turn these same sources are the single valid argument for it being a gateway drug.

To Doc's other points; you can't OD on pot and driving under the influence is still illegal.

 

[cstu]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

If that's the logic you want to go with then alcohol is a gateway drug since you probably did that before you ever tried weed - do you want to make that illegal as well?

Being drunk probably had a lot more to do with your friends killing themselves than being high.

 

[B-Deep]

I hate you all

4 plants was the proposal. All I need is one for me. I effed around like you when I was a kid. I think now I could closet a plant up. Also saw a fun safe thing on online today for a decent price that allows easy hydro.

So anyone could grow 4 plants? Is that correct? So it's not a monopoly, then. 4 plants is a lot of weed. You got a wife & 2 kids, that's 16 plants.

The people in Ohio that wanted it and still voted no are serious morons.

anyone could grow their own, but to sell it and make a profit you had to be one of the 10 groups that the law listed

conversely, the 2016 petition allows for you to grow...i think 6 plants per adult living with a max of 12. And anyone who goes through the proper processes and gets licensed can be a commercial grower

So is that 12 plants at any one time? It's about a four-month grow cycle indoors, right? That's a lot of weed.

:daydreaming:

up to 12, only 6 if there is just one adult:

Yes. Legalize Ohio 2016’s plan allows Ohioans over 18 to home grow. You will be allowed to grow up to 6 plants per person, or 12 plants per household if there are more than two adults residing in that household. There is no limit on how much home grown product you have in your home. You are able to use the product for personal consumption and/or gift it to someone else. Unlike alternative ballot initiatives, there is no license required to home grow.

 

[B-Deep]

i have a question on the driving, how will that be enforced?

don't weed tests just see if you have smoked weed in the last 30 days or something? How can they objectively determine if someone is driving high?

this is an actual concern to me

 

[B-Deep]

shoulda googled

looks like colorado uses blood tests. Aren't people going to freak the hell out at giving blood to police?

 

[Tom Servo]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Dangle a Twinkie in the window?

 

[B-Deep]

Dangle a Twinkie in the window?

lol

i do not doubt cops will be able to tell if someone is high, just if they'll be able to prove it in court

 

[Tom Servo]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

People switch jobs and retire. Why shoot down a law you'd like to take advantage of in the future just because you can't now?

Because people don't think that far ahead?

 

[Zow]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

This is the way I'm leaning. I'd rather have it legal despite my misgivings about the bill as written.

Plus the law can always be amended in a more favorable fashion later. Under your beliefs, it makes no sense not to vote for it.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

This is the way I'm leaning. I'd rather have it legal despite my misgivings about the bill as written.

Plus the law can always be amended in a more favorable fashion later. Under your beliefs, it makes no sense not to vote for it.

The law would have been very hard to amend as it was going to be enshrined in the state's Constitution, as the gambling oligopoly is.

I don't know how I would have voted, but there's a real danger to voting for freedom by entrusting the contours of that freedom to a state-granted oligopoly.

 

[roadkill1292]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

That is an interesting conclusion to glean from the recent polls showing nearly 60% of voters are in favor of legalization. I don't know how to say that in a nicer way.

 

[cstu]

i have a question on the driving, how will that be enforced?

don't weed tests just see if you have smoked weed in the last 30 days or something? How can they objectively determine if someone is driving high?

this is an actual concern to me

If the a cop thinks you're high he can take you in for a blood or urine test.

 

[James Daulton]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

I don't partake now because it's illegal. If it were legal I would. I imagine there's a lot of folks like me.

 

[Tom Servo]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

That is an interesting conclusion to glean from the recent polls showing nearly 60% of voters are in favor of legalization. I don't know how to say that in a nicer way.

Just because 60% favor pot doesn't mean it will translate to votes. You can poll all day long: because people can and do lie to pollsters. Until you get them in a voting booth with the choice of yes or no this is all theoretical.

Also, that 60% in favor doesn't mean they'll vote for something where they have no stake. Supporters have to get those voters to overcome the bias of disinterest (i.e., I'm not a pot smoker, don't want to yet I'm not bothered by others doing so) to vote against the status quo. If I were an Ohio voter, I would probably have voted against Issue 3 as it seemed to be bad law.

 

[Warsteinner]

i have a question on the driving, how will that be enforced?

don't weed tests just see if you have smoked weed in the last 30 days or something? How can they objectively determine if someone is driving high?

this is an actual concern to me

If the a cop thinks you're high he can take you in for a blood or urine test.

I'm on the make it legal side, but question has always been about how a blood/urine test works. If I smoked a giant spliff 2 weeks prior and get pulled over when perfectly sober am I looking at a possible DUI?

 

[Tom Servo]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

I don't partake now because it's illegal. If it were legal I would. I imagine there's a lot of folks like me.

And that's fine. As long as smoking up wouldn't get you impaired behind the wheel, whatever.

I just mentioned people who would probably never be able to partake for one reason or another. Those people who would never be able to smoke up are some percentage of the 40% against, and some are part of the 60% for. How that translates to votes once you put it to another vote is yet to be determined.

I'm just saying this is not the slam dunk potheads think it is.

 

[James Daulton]

The tide is turning so that eventually it will be legal at a federal level and then the employer testing won't be an issue. This may take 10 or 20 years but it is coming. People are coming to realize that booze is a much more harmful drug than weed.

 

[roadkill1292]

More musing about numbers: Issue 3 lost by about 800,000 votes. By 2020, Ohio will have lost something around 250,000 voters who would have opposed legalization, regardless of the structure. But about 800,000 new voters will come onto the rolls, about 75% of whom will be in favor of a Colorado-like system. That seems like the year to shoot for.

These proportions hold true almost everywhere in the country, including states like Maryland and Massachusetts where public support is already nearing 60%. Unless today's teenagers suddenly decide en masse that they don't want pot to be legal, this remains inevitable.

Assuming you want to try again in 5 years. Also, you can't assume everyone migrating to Ohio cities like Columbus would automatically fall into the pro-pot demographic.

I'd be very surprised if this isn't back on the ballot in five years (maybe even next year). There is nothing to suggest that newcomers to Ohio cities will buck the national demographic trends; support will almost assuredly be higher at that time.

Prohibitionists are dying. New voters support legalization by close to 75%. People who change their minds on the issue are changing them to support for legalization by about a 3-1 margin. There is no indication that any of these trends will change in the next five years.

I think you have to separate medical mary jane from recreational use. Most everyone (myself included) have no issue with medical marijuana.

However, where is the real market for recreational blazing? Consider the following groups of people won't be able to partake:

1. All first responders - cops, firemen, EMTs, etc.

2. Anyone with a CDL - truck drivers, utility linemen, etc. Fail one Whiz Quiz and your license is GONE and so is your job.

3. Health care professionals - doctors, many nurses, technicians

4. State workers - everyone from ODOT to Department of Corrections to many office workers

5. Manufacturing workers

6. College employees

Many of these jobs have Whiz Quizzes that are administered regularly. Just those 6 classes of people wipe out a lot of people from 1%ers to the average Joe. Given that most people vote in their self-interest, if they cannot blaze up, why would they vote for it?

It's hard when your market is gamers who hang out at head shops on Neil Avenue in Columbus.

Why does the size of the market matter? Only something like 15% of Americans smoke cannabis with any regularity yet almost 60% of them want to end prohibition for whatever personal purposes the consumer intends. The only conclusion to draw from that is that even people who don't consume marijuana do not think that we should be prohibited by law from doing so.

Well, if only 15% are using - and assuming 100% of them are motivated enough to vote - you still have to convince the vast majority of the remaining 45% (60% overall support - 15% users) that it's a good idea. You've already got 40% already biased against you; your work is to convince the other 45% to support you.

That 45% in favor and not using are essentially a disinterested party; yeah, I'm in favor of it, but not necessarily enough to vote for it (wanting to <> voting to end it).

That is an interesting conclusion to glean from the recent polls showing nearly 60% of voters are in favor of legalization. I don't know how to say that in a nicer way.

Just because 60% favor pot doesn't mean it will translate to votes. You can poll all day long: because people can and do lie to pollsters. Until you get them in a voting booth with the choice of yes or no this is all theoretical.

Also, that 60% in favor doesn't mean they'll vote for something where they have no stake. Supporters have to get those voters to overcome the bias of disinterest (i.e., I'm not a pot smoker, don't want to yet I'm not bothered by others doing so) to vote against the status quo. If I were an Ohio voter, I would probably have voted against Issue 3 as it seemed to be bad law.

The block of voters who favor legalization but don't actually consume themselves were largely responsible for passage of laws in other states. Granted, Ohio is slightly more conservative than the states which have already legalized but demographics will pretty much wipe out those differences in the next 5-8 years. Why would we think that Ohio voters in the same category will vote differently than voters in Colorado, Washington and Oregon? Besides, it's not a problem getting them to the polls when we're electing a new president.

Issue 3 was a hot mess. I can see the arguments on both sides but even the most vociferous supporters were turned away by the constitutional establishment of a business cartel.

 

[NutterButter]

Making drugs easier for people to use is a bad idea. Too many people make poor decisions. Too many people get caught up in having a good time instead of being responsible for their lives or their kid's lives. Too many kids will get their hands on the drugs if they are available for adults.

I also think weed is a gateway drug. I smoked pot in my youth. I progressed to coke, mushrooms, LSD, uppers, downers, etc. None of that did me any good. I wish I had never done any of that stuff. I also wish I was not a drunk for 10 years either but that is another topic.

I had friends OD. I had friends get high and drunk then kill themselves while driving.

Too late, they are already overdosing on prescription pain killers. Good luck trying to od on pot.

 

[cheese]

Ya that's a tough sell though. It's easy to make jokes about the kids issue or blow it off when you aren't raising kids in this state. For those of us that are, its a tough issue.

I was happy when it passed in other states but nervous about having it in my back yard. Just being honest

 

[jabarony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n2MqPpWKnY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[tonydead]

Ya that's a tough sell though. It's easy to make jokes about the kids issue or blow it off when you aren't raising kids in this state. For those of us that are, its a tough issue.

I was happy when it passed in other states but nervous about having it in my back yard. Just being honest

Hey Ohioans, you need to educate people like cheese here!

 

[roadkill1292]

Ya that's a tough sell though. It's easy to make jokes about the kids issue or blow it off when you aren't raising kids in this state. For those of us that are, its a tough issue.

I was happy when it passed in other states but nervous about having it in my back yard. Just being honest

I don't think we proponents blow the issue off at all. Black market dealers don't check IDs, dispensaries do. Since legalization began in Colorado, high school usage rates have declined a little.

 

[Zow]

Take the Jefferson route. If you can't secure all of your rights, secure the ones you can.

This is the way I'm leaning. I'd rather have it legal despite my misgivings about the bill as written.

Plus the law can always be amended in a more favorable fashion later. Under your beliefs, it makes no sense not to vote for it.

The law would have been very hard to amend as it was going to be enshrined in the state's Constitution, as the gambling oligopoly is.

I don't know how I would have voted, but there's a real danger to voting for freedom by entrusting the contours of that freedom to a state-granted oligopoly.

I shouldn't have answered without looking at it more closely. Didn't know the bolded.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's amazing to me that there are people out there who are scared of pot being legalized, thinking that everyone and their brother is going to rush to go buy some weed, and then all the kids will get their hands on it.

Guess what folks, the legalization of marijuana doesn't even make weed easier to get. It's VERY easy to get. In fact, I would argue it might make it HARDER for kids to get if it were to be legalized since the small time peddlers just might be put out of business. However, even if I am completely wrong about that, legalizing MJ would still only make it ever so slightly easier to get in general.

I do not smoke weed. I am not going to let my kids smoke week. Whether it is legal or illegal has absolutely nothing to do with any of it.

My really good friend (who is a big pot smoker) did not like the way the proposed laws were written and actually wanted them to fail. Why? Because he didn't want to see MJ monopolies. Why else? Because legal or illegal makes absolutely no difference in his pot buying/smoking habits. If anything, he gets his weed cheaper now than if it was to be legalized.

 

[D-Day]

Also, the Ohio law allowed for four FLOWERING plants per person. I have no clue what the grow time is, but I would think that this would have been more than just four plants in a household ar a time.

 

[Johnnymac]

Here is my issue, most would agree that pot will be legal everywhere at some point, so why not just legalize it and be done with it? It's so pointless to go through all of this crap.

 

[NutterButter]

Here is my issue, most would agree that pot will be legal everywhere at some point, so why not just legalize it and be done with it? It's so pointless to go through all of this crap.

Not on my watch it won't -random senior