Ohio pot legalization - Maybe next time (1 Viewer)

[Das Boot]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

Same here. I don't think it appropriate to legislate a board to review bills to determine if they endorse a monopoly. And I don't want to give the 10 companies sole monopolistic rights over weed. I want it legal, but not this way.

You can't regulate properly with unlimited grow facilities.

You can license grow facilities. The idea of constitutionally legislating favoritism towards a few businesses is wrong.

That's a bingo.

 

[Brony]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

Same here. I don't think it appropriate to legislate a board to review bills to determine if they endorse a monopoly. And I don't want to give the 10 companies sole monopolistic rights over weed. I want it legal, but not this way.

You can't regulate properly with unlimited grow facilities.

You can license grow facilities. The idea of constitutionally legislating favoritism towards a few businesses is wrong.

Exactly. I'd rather have 1,000 companies with sole monopolistic rights.

 

[Das Boot]

IMO, and purely based on what I'm construing as common sense, if Issue 3 is defeated but the vote is reasonably close, that will energize the pro-legalization groups to get it on the ballot again next election.

Only this time without the blatant money-grab motive that was behind this attempt.

I gotta give the bastards credit though for creativity, chutzpah, vision, and effort to get this close to making millions upon millions for being one of 10 permitted large scale growers.

 

[odin33]

Only issue with that thought Das Boot is that the biggest supporters and $ donors towards the campaign are said 10 permitted growers.

No way it makes the ballot without that support.

I don't like the way it's structured, but I'm in favor of getting it here and working out the kinks moving forward.

That said kinda doubt I'll be able to make it to the polls. Anyone know when they close?

 

[Copeman]

Would you have to show Ohio citizenship in order to purchase?

 

[General Malaise]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

I voted the same way. Sorry boys, I am not for the legalization of weed.

How come?

BECAUSE IT IS A DRUG!!!!! Didn't you grow up in the 80's? Don't you know how dangerous marijuana is? Haven't you seen Reefer Madness? Crime rates have spiked in Oregon, Colorado and Washington. Productivity has gone in the toilet. Schools are teaching children how to roll joints and make bongs out of apples. Health food stores are being replaced by all-night pizza joints. Everybody addresses each other as "man", regardless of gender. Hell, I had to throw out 45% of my childrens' Halloween candy because they were mostly marijuana edibles.

Can't you see? Oh, can't you see...what this Mary Jane, it be doing to meeeeeeeeeee.

 

[thayman]

Would you have to show Ohio citizenship in order to purchase?

Currently in Colorado if you are a state resident you can purchase up to 1 oz of marijuana. Non-residents can purchase up to a 1/4 oz.

I would assume any state would follow suit. The first couple of states to legalize would want the non-resident revenue.

 

[Das Boot]

Only issue with that thought Das Boot is that the biggest supporters and $ donors towards the campaign are said 10 permitted growers.

No way it makes the ballot without that support.

I don't like the way it's structured, but I'm in favor of getting it here and working out the kinks moving forward.

That said kinda doubt I'll be able to make it to the polls. Anyone know when they close?

Agreed, which also serves to clearly demonstrate their vested financial interest in seeing it pass as worded.

But I understand your point, and it's really tempting to vote for it now just to get it legalized and then try to fix the bad parts.

And that's what these guys are counting on.

But with the obvious strong support it has received, I'm speculating it will spur a strong grass roots effort to get it on the ballot again.

Especially when factoring in all the people like me that support legalization, but oppose the way it's structured this for this first attempt.

I may well be wrong about how long it takes to get it on the ballot again, but it goes against my sense of fair play and common sense to hand over the keys to millions if not billions of dollars to 10 groups of growers.

This should be a boon to tons of small businesses instead of a privileged few, and I'd personally rather wait a few more years if necessary to have a fair and sensible set up.

 

[James Daulton]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

I voted the same way. Sorry boys, I am not for the legalization of weed.

lol

 

[B-Deep]

I voted no

if weed is going to be legal find a better way then what this amendment does

 

[(HULK)]

Whats the exit polling say?

 

[B-Deep]

Whats the exit polling say?

dunno man, but these fiery hot Cheetos are AWESOME...

they totally make me feel every bump on my tongue

it's like a relief map of Nepal in my mouth, a fiery cheesy relief map, man

 

[Galileo]

My unofficial exit polling says the weed issue is not going to pass. Granted, I have not talked to many, but it has been heavily slanted towards "NO" on the weed.

 

[roadkill1292]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

 

[Sup_Yo]

I voted YES on 2 and NO on 3. I am pro-legalization but did not vote for it today because of how it is structured.

 

[Quez]

Only issue with that thought Das Boot is that the biggest supporters and $ donors towards the campaign are said 10 permitted growers.

No way it makes the ballot without that support.

You sure about this? What is the # of signatures needed to get something on it? The FL one failed last time, but they already say another one will be on in Nov.

The problem with FL is they need 60%.

 

[James Daulton]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

The hell with mid-western states, when will the MD legalize weed? We're so freaking liberal in everything else.

 

[Galileo]

I know some people here are getting hung up on the monopoly concept. And, while ten companies may not be a monopoly in the strict sense of the term, it does seem rather ####ty that if I decided I wanted to compete in that market I would be prohibited from doing so...hardly the American spirit. I personally will be voting yes, but not extremely excited about it.

I think I am more disturbed by the creation and existence of amendment 2 than I am the poor structure of 3. If citizens wish to see the law of the land changed, the avenue they have at their disposal is the petition...if enough interest, put it to a vote. A legislative trump card introduced by lawmakers to block the petition initiative of citizens is very troubling. The requirements were met to get 3 on the ballot...let the people decide if it is worthy of becoming law.

 

[(HULK)]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

The hell with mid-western states, when will the MD legalize weed? We're so freaking liberal in everything else.

Soon.

Too bad working where I work precludes any "partaking". Maybe one day I'll work in another field.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

No way it passes IMO. Still too many olds, it's mildly confusing on which to vote for, the monopoly issue turned off a lot of people that would otherwise vote for legalization, it's an off year election, etc.

If they'd have put it on during a presidential election it would have had a way better chance. Also, the ten permits thing is bull####.

 

[B-Deep]

No way it passes IMO. Still too many olds, it's mildly confusing on which to vote for, the monopoly issue turned off a lot of people that would otherwise vote for legalization, it's an off year election, etc.

If they'd have put it on during a presidential election it would have had a way better chance. Also, the ten permits thing is bull####.

https://legalizeohio2016.org/

IF this is more than just a business thing everyone who signed the first petition should sign this one

that's not the case, though, as the people who pushed issue 3 did so only to make sick cash

but it could be back on the ballot much cleaner next year. that is a MUCH better idea

 

[lod01]

I voted YES on 2 and NO on 3. I am pro-legalization but did not vote for it today because of how it is structured.

No weed for you.

 

[James Daulton]

So Colorado legalized almost 2 years ago. How long until the data in that state becomes statistically relevant and the experience there can be considered the baseline for other states?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Don't mess this up, Ohioguys. Get it recreational-use legal east of the Mississippi, and worry about the "who profits?" details later.

Failure to get it legal will only result in a national statement of "see, except for those hippie states, more people are still against it than for it". The details of "I'd be for it, but not this way" will be lost.

So, the ultimate goal is to legalize AND have it produced/sold in an open market, right? And the best way to get there is to vote for a closed market, then come back later and try to convince everyone that's not what we really meant? Good luck with that.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

This is going to confuse the hell out of stoners.

Once Pandora's box is open things will ease up. Do you think they will really be raiding non-licensed growers when they are selling it on every corner?

This is really what the East Coast needs. Once there is a state East of the Mississippi to open up recreational weed, the other states will have no choice but to adapt. Look at the neighbors of Colorado already asking for Federal assistance. So many people are trafficking they don't know what to do.

Stoners vote?

 

[top dog]

Just voted no on issue 2, yes on issue 3. You're welcome pot heads!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Just voted no on issue 2, yes on issue 3. You're welcome pot heads!

Too late. It's after 4:20. No way they're gonna get their #### together and make it to the polls now.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

If this passes as is in Ohio, how fast til the neighboring states' rich guys get together and form their own oligopolies?

 

[Galileo]

Sadly, if it fails, opponents will use it as an affirmation that people are against legalization rather than being against the conditions surrounding the process.

I think issue 2 is an easy pass...the average unaware voter reading it will not even connect it to 3. They will simply see an anti-monopoly amendment which is likely an easy sell...everyone knows monopolies are bad.

 

[roadkill1292]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

If this passes as is in Ohio, how fast til the neighboring states' rich guys get together and form their own oligopolies?

Not a given.

 

[trogg78]

Saw a lot of people in line for provisional ballot and change of address. They were staying open late too. They said everyone that votes after 7:30 will be on a provisional ballot.

 

[top dog]

Not over yet. Polls in Hamilton County staying open until 9 due to problems. No results will be announced until then.http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/11/hamilton_county_polls_to_stay.html#incart_maj-story-2

 

[chauncey]

For the people against a "monopoly", what's the other side? Anyone can grow as much as they want? The stores can get it from whoever?

How do Colorado, Oregon, and Washington handle this (growing and distributing)?

Having only 10 designated growers doesn't seem much different than offering only X# of licenses. The same rich and connected people are going to be the ones who end up growing.

There was a CNN special about the marijuana industry in CO and they made it seem like it was near impossible for the average Joe to get in on the action.

 

[grateful zed]

Could someone post a short explanation of the different elements?

this should help

 

[chauncey]

Thinking more........if Ohio gets it passed with the oligopoly controlling grows, it still gets us closer to the time when the surrounding states (Mich, Pa, WV, Ky, Ind) will almost have to follow suit and legalize as well. When that happens, the oligopoly's leverage crashes and the market retail prices are more regionally influenced.

Of course, this depends on the neighboring states falling into line, which hasn't exactly been the case in the states adjacent to Colorado. I think of the five states contiguous to Ohio, only Michigan is even considering legalization and then only at the local levels.

Utah, Wyoming, and Kansas are pretty conservative states. They will be late adopters to legalized marijuana.

I read something a while back that said CA, AZ, NM, and TX will never have legalized marijuana until federal law changes. Something to do with inland border patrol checkpoints and them being required to enforce federal laws. The fact that WA was able to pass it makes me question that article. And the fact that they are not required to enforce immigration laws.

 

[grateful zed]

No way it passes IMO. Still too many olds, it's mildly confusing on which to vote for, the monopoly issue turned off a lot of people that would otherwise vote for legalization, it's an off year election, etc.

If they'd have put it on during a presidential election it would have had a way better chance. Also, the ten permits thing is bull####.

thanks, posty.

 

[BrothaMan]

I voted no on 2 and yes on 3

 

[MikeIke]

I voted no on 2 and yes on 3

Same here. I don't like the way the law is written but I'll take what I can get.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm voting no on 2 and no on 3.

I want to see legalization, I don't want to see a few people profit from a monopoly.

I'm pretty confident that if 3 fails and it's a reasonably close vote, that will be plenty of incentive to get it on the ballot again, but restructured in a fair and reasonable manner rather than as a money grab opportunity for a few people.

I voted the same way. Sorry boys, I am not for the legalization of weed.

You should be forced to turn in your username.

 

[xulf]

15% of the votes in and issue 3 is only getting 34%. Its over

 

[MAC_32]

@TVTye: 65%-34% Ohio Marijuana vote losing so far in early returns. @wkyc

Didn't expect it to pass, but...not this.

 

[MAC_32]

15% of the votes in and issue 3 is only getting 34%. Its over

read it's up to 25% reporting now.

 

[Bobcat10]

@TVTye: 65%-34% Ohio Marijuana vote losing so far in early returns. @wkyc

Didn't expect it to pass, but...not this.

You don't think 15% voted like you?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

@TVTye: 65%-34% Ohio Marijuana vote losing so far in early returns. @wkyc

Didn't expect it to pass, but...not this.

Rural precincts always report first. It'll come back toward the median, but still a loser.

 

[MAC_32]

@TVTye: 65%-34% Ohio Marijuana vote losing so far in early returns. @wkyc

Didn't expect it to pass, but...not this.

You don't think 15% voted like you?

15% sounds about right, but I thought the bar started on the other side of 50/50.

 

[Otis]

Effing Ohio.

 

[Brady Marino]

Voters also voting in favor of abolishing market monopolies (Issue 2) 55%-45%.

Basically, they're saying "There is a way to legalize pot. This is not it."

 

[NutterButter]

Got to do this is a presidential year. Only old people come out to vote in off years.

 

[MAC_32]

Got to do this is a presidential year. Only old people come out to vote in off years.

I live and work in a Cleveland suburb, mainly family's and old people. The turnout was much younger than I've ever seen in a non presidential election.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

figures ohio would jack this up