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Ohio train derailment (1 Viewer)

My son is in the Ohio National Guard and his unit was on standby for a while to assist in the cleanup if needed. Thankfully they ultimately didn't need his unit.

Plenty of news coverage of this here in Ohio by the way.
 
Cjw_55106 said:
DA RAIDERS said:
urbanhack said:
Pretty amazing this isn't get any coverage in the main stream media.
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It is
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I dont see it on the front page of any of CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or ABC News :shrug:
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To be fair it happened over a week ago. https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-fire-sunday/index.html

It dominated the news around here when it happened but also to be fair, it's only about 2 hours away from where I live.
 
ShamrockPride said:
Yikes.

via Unusual Whales twitter

Norfolk Southern, $NSC, trains derailed in the town of East Palestine, Ohio, which spilt vinyl chloride in the area. and caused citizens to flee and wildlife to die.

The $55 billion dollar company has offered the town $25,000, or $5/person, for the accident.
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There will be much, much bigger lawsuits filed. I don't think I would be comfortable moving back there after all that and the chances of selling your home basically went up in flames. Feel horrible for the people there.
 
  • Vinyl chloride: a colorless gas that is used to make polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastics and is highly flammable and decomposes to make toxic fumes. According to the National Library of Medicine, it is also carcinogenic and can cause other health issues.
  • Butyl acrylate: a clear liquid that is used for making paints, sealants and adhesives. It is flammable and can cause skin, eye and respiratory irritation.
  • Ethylhexyl acrylate: a colorless liquid used to make paints and plastics. It can cause skin and respiratory irritation and, under moderate heat, can produce hazardous vapor.
  • Ethylene glycol monobutyl: a colorless liquid used as a solvent for paint and inks, as well as some dry cleaning solutions. It is classed as acutely toxic, able to cause serious or permanent injury, and highly flammable. Vapors can irritate the eyes and nose, and ingestion can cause headaches and vomiting.
 
top dog said:
Well... To be technical, they arrested one guy for "being too loud" during a broadcast while the governor was speaking. Not like they arrested him because he was reporting on the incident and they are suppressing the news.
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Might not be but that's how it's coming across on the socials.

I have a little bit of experience with derailments, this has kind of been a no win situation from the start. This poisonous stuff is transported like this everyday all over the US, derailments are rare but happen enough that it's a concern. When you get tank cars full of this stuff on fire, you risk a bleve which isn't good. They chose the least worst option here from what it looks like because this stuff was always going to either blow up or dissipate into the ground no matter what happened. Rather than level the town with a bleve, they did this. No good option.
 
massraider said:
Considering the amount spilled, and how toxic that stuff is, and the dead wildlife, and CLE and PIT are both with 100 miles of this place, I don't think there has been much coverage of this story at all.
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Agreed. I'm not an environmental alarmist or anything, but I'm stunned at how little coverage this story has gotten.

My working theory -- which I've held for a while -- is that the modern media actively selects against stories that don't have obvious culture war or partisan tie-ins. This is just another data point in favor of that theory.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
massraider said:
Considering the amount spilled, and how toxic that stuff is, and the dead wildlife, and CLE and PIT are both with 100 miles of this place, I don't think there has been much coverage of this story at all.
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Agreed. I'm not an environmental alarmist or anything, but I'm stunned at how little coverage this story has gotten.

My working theory -- which I've held for a while -- is that the modern media actively selects against stories that don't have obvious culture war or partisan tie-ins. This is just another data point in favor of that theory.
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for these types of stories, I like to go to All Sides to review "How" its being covered.

For the train derailment story

and....oh sheeeze, Julia Roberts is on the case.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
My working theory -- which I've held for a while -- is that the modern media actively selects against stories that don't have obvious culture war or partisan tie-ins. This is just another data point in favor of that theory.
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I'm ready to believe that.

I also kind of feel like if your community is going to be destroyed, and you want public help/coverage/support whatever, you want it to be an exciting weather event, with lost of dramatic video. Some silent long term chemical killer is a lot less fun on TV, for everyone involved. The media, we as viewers, everyone. Maybe I am completely off base, but I assume I am not alone in thinking some catastrophes are more fun TV than others. It is much easier for me to enjoy the video of a house collapsing into a river, because I am sure they weren't there, and I'll watch a video in two days of people unloading boxes, and feel fine. Weather Channel during a weather disaster is some of the best couch-lock TV I can think of. I am not proud of this, obviously.

But people inhaling burnt PVC chemicals for the next few generations? I cannot even think about how that is possibly going to work out for everyone. The coordination of different states, and organizations, and just gettin' stuff done is something I do not really trust. Like I think this could easily be a nothing story this year, and an Oscar-winning movie in 25 years. In fact, if I had to bet on that vs everyone is gonna be fine, I will give odds.

And that, is some awful **** to watch on TV. So maybe I'm not surprised, this is the news entertainment system we have.
 
I think if we're being exact here we should say that railroads and their usage are heavily regulated and the companies that use the railroads fight the regulations.

I still don't get how it's inherently political, though. It sounds more like a disaster story that might have political underpinnings.
 
Sat down to chill for a bit. Top of the hour. Scrolled through the cable news channels.

One was kicking off the show talking about how the Super Bowl was ruined by a ref, just like our elections and careers by the woke mob (not exaggerating). Another was talking about this train derailment and interviewing people about it. The third was taking about the Ukraine war and Russia’s recruitment of prisoners and the Wagner group.

No judgement! Was just seeing about news coverage.
 
rockaction said:
I think if we're being exact here we should say that railroads and their usage are heavily regulated and the companies that use the railroads fight the regulations.

I still don't get how it's inherently political, though. It sounds more like a disaster story that might have political underpinnings.
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I am not sure how I can talk about the President blocking a strike that had (along with many other elements) rail safety as a major complaint. Presidential involvement in labor disputes seems very political. With this story, talking about why it happened, who is to blame and what can be done to prevent it from happening again seems extremely essential.
 
A Norfolk Southern Corp. train appears to have been on fire miles before it derailed in eastern Ohio, putting scrutiny on the safety detectors along tracks that are supposed to alert crews to such hazards.

A manufacturer in Salem, Ohio, posted a clip Friday on its Facebook page of video from a surveillance camera, which showed a fire under one of the cars being pulled by the Norfolk locomotive as it passed its facility. The video surveillance footage was earlier reported by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

www.wsj.com

Miles Before Ohio Derailment, Train Axle Was On Fire, Video Shows

A Norfolk Southern train carrying hazardous chemicals appears to have been on fire miles before it derailed in eastern Ohio last week.
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Ilov80s said:
rockaction said:
I think if we're being exact here we should say that railroads and their usage are heavily regulated and the companies that use the railroads fight the regulations.

I still don't get how it's inherently political, though. It sounds more like a disaster story that might have political underpinnings.
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I am not sure how I can talk about the President blocking a strike that had (along with many other elements) rail safety as a major complaint. Presidential involvement in labor disputes seems very political. With this story, talking about why it happened, who is to blame and what can be done to prevent it from happening again seems extremely essential.
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Getting information on this stuff is wild. It's almost like they make it hard to comprehend on purpose. So what I can gather is the strike was the result of a sequence of events set in motion when the train length more or less doubled. Since in the USA passenger rail, and commuter rail, and freight often share the same tracks this caused lots of problems and freight rail would have to wait for days to go anywhere because they wouldn't fit otherwise.

This exact derailment though doesn't seem related to the strike, the strike was because train engineers weren't given basically any time off once the train length more or less stuck them in the middle of nowhere for days on end.
 
culdeus said:
Ilov80s said:
rockaction said:
I think if we're being exact here we should say that railroads and their usage are heavily regulated and the companies that use the railroads fight the regulations.

I still don't get how it's inherently political, though. It sounds more like a disaster story that might have political underpinnings.
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I am not sure how I can talk about the President blocking a strike that had (along with many other elements) rail safety as a major complaint. Presidential involvement in labor disputes seems very political. With this story, talking about why it happened, who is to blame and what can be done to prevent it from happening again seems extremely essential.
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Getting information on this stuff is wild. It's almost like they make it hard to comprehend on purpose. So what I can gather is the strike was the result of a sequence of events set in motion when the train length more or less doubled. Since in the USA passenger rail, and commuter rail, and freight often share the same tracks this caused lots of problems and freight rail would have to wait for days to go anywhere because they wouldn't fit otherwise.

This exact derailment though doesn't seem related to the strike, the strike was because train engineers weren't given basically any time off once the train length more or less stuck them in the middle of nowhere for days on end.
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I found this interesting but not sure how much was actually tied to the strike. You are right clear info isn’t easy to find.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
massraider said:
Considering the amount spilled, and how toxic that stuff is, and the dead wildlife, and CLE and PIT are both with 100 miles of this place, I don't think there has been much coverage of this story at all.
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Agreed. I'm not an environmental alarmist or anything, but I'm stunned at how little coverage this story has gotten.

My working theory -- which I've held for a while -- is that the modern media actively selects against stories that don't have obvious culture war or partisan tie-ins. This is just another data point in favor of that theory.
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My working theory is that natural disasters get a lot more press than do man-made disasters. With floods, earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, tornados, etc. most everyone feels sympathy and then many people want to know more and want to help. With man-made disasters (like this) most everyone feels sympathy but it quickly switches into "who do we blame?" and "who should pay for this?" and that pretty quickly splits people based on political and other loyalties, and devolves into arguments that just become part of background noise.
 
Ilov80s said:
A Norfolk Southern Corp. train appears to have been on fire miles before it derailed in eastern Ohio, putting scrutiny on the safety detectors along tracks that are supposed to alert crews to such hazards.

A manufacturer in Salem, Ohio, posted a clip Friday on its Facebook page of video from a surveillance camera, which showed a fire under one of the cars being pulled by the Norfolk locomotive as it passed its facility. The video surveillance footage was earlier reported by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

www.wsj.com

Miles Before Ohio Derailment, Train Axle Was On Fire, Video Shows

A Norfolk Southern train carrying hazardous chemicals appears to have been on fire miles before it derailed in eastern Ohio last week.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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That's a good way to talk about it without politics.
 
top dog said:
There will be much, much bigger lawsuits filed. I don't think I would be comfortable moving back there after all that and the chances of selling your home basically went up in flames. Feel horrible for the people there.
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Agreed. There's no way to know how long this will affect air and groundwater in that area. There's an underground fire that's been going on for years in Centralia, PA that nobody can put out. There are entire towns in WV sinking haphazardly due to mining near and beneath them. People keep creating more problems than they can solve, thereby hurting (or even killing) other people.
 
fatness said:
One guy who lives there is really angry about the whole thing. This is about a 2-minute NSFW video about it with footage of the sky during the chemical burnoffs. It's worth listening to until the end.

https://twitter.com/more_shower/status/1624937676292907008
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The stem of the mushroom cloud, man....wow.

We can try to keep this apolitical. The truth is it IS apolitical. Two wings of the same corrupt bird, man. The same, GREEDY CORRUPT bird.
 
top dog said:
ShamrockPride said:
Yikes.

via Unusual Whales twitter

Norfolk Southern, $NSC, trains derailed in the town of East Palestine, Ohio, which spilt vinyl chloride in the area. and caused citizens to flee and wildlife to die.

The $55 billion dollar company has offered the town $25,000, or $5/person, for the accident.
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There will be much, much bigger lawsuits filed. I don't think I would be comfortable moving back there after all that and the chances of selling your home basically went up in flames. Feel horrible for the people there.
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There will be a lot more and there already are some.
https://www.wfmj.com/story/48360170/four-lawsuits-allege-negligence-in-norfolk-southern-derailment
 
philip lewis
@Phil_Lewis_
Before the Norfolk Southern train derailment prompted emergency evacuations in Ohio, the company helped kill a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems
LINK >>> Rail Companies Blocked Safety Rules Before Ohio Derailment
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David Sirota
@davidsirota
The nation’s chief rail regulator isn’t saying anything — as his agency is considering an initiative to weaken brake safety rules.
>>> LINK
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The Lever
@LeverNews
Angry over the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio? Got 10 seconds to take action? Sign this letter...
>>> LINK
 
The company responsible reportedly offered the entire town $25k in compensation. Which comes out to $5 a person.

If capitalism works like it’s supposed to, they’d have to buy out every single home in the affected area as they all are worth almost nothing because nobody will want to live there. I certainly wouldn’t want to live in an area where the soil and groundwater could be contaminated with those types of carcinogens.
 
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