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OK, let's flesh out the true buy-lows (1 Viewer)

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Chad:

Pros: Always racks up big numbers in year end totals. Plays on what should be a healthy passing attack

Cons: Inconsistent week to week, Cincy looks to be in shambles, shoulder injury, may not even be the best receiver on his team. Many people think that Cincy's spotty o-line play is leading to his low production.

Price: I would think that he could be had for a guy like Brandon Jacobs or possibly a guy like Jennings

Braylon:

Pros: Young emerging stud on what was a good offense, Big TD and yardage numbers last year, looked to be trending upwards prior to season

Cons: Browns 08 are not Browns 09, QB questions, RB questions, and simply can't seem to hold on to a ball. There was the foot injury but I fail to see how that relates to leading the NFL in dropped passes.

Price: Should be about same as Chad, maybe higher due to being in better health and having less competition for targets

Randy Moss:

Pros: When motivated, hands-down the best receiver in the league

Cons: Last year with Brady the first time he looked motivated since he played with Cpep, and is already looking like he's going into pout mode. And as Joey Porter put it, the Pats simply are not the same team without Brady. Understatement of the year.

Price: Actually could be lower than Chad or Braylon due to reputation

Santonio Holmes:

Pros: Excellent athlete and best receiver on the team.

Cons: Last year was an aberration for Pitt throwing the ball as much as they did, and the addition of Mendenhall to Parker means they can focus on the run more than last year. Targets could be lower than any of the other WRs mentioned here. However, he has had one good game in between two bad ones.

Price: Given lack of establishment as a top threat, probably lowest so far.

Let's have some others continue this in this format...Of these four I think that Holmes and Braylon are the best buy-lows, with Chad third and Moss fourth.

 
Chad:Pros: Always racks up big numbers in year end totals. Plays on what should be a healthy passing attackCons: Inconsistent week to week, Cincy looks to be in shambles, shoulder injury, may not even be the best receiver on his team. Many people think that Cincy's spotty o-line play is leading to his low production.Price: I would think that he could be had for a guy like Brandon Jacobs or possibly a guy like JenningsBraylon:Pros: Young emerging stud on what was a good offense, Big TD and yardage numbers last year, looked to be trending upwards prior to seasonCons: Browns 08 are not Browns 09, QB questions, RB questions, and simply can't seem to hold on to a ball. There was the foot injury but I fail to see how that relates to leading the NFL in dropped passes.Price: Should be about same as Chad, maybe higher due to being in better health and having less competition for targetsRandy Moss:Pros: When motivated, hands-down the best receiver in the leagueCons: Last year with Brady the first time he looked motivated since he played with Cpep, and is already looking like he's going into pout mode. And as Joey Porter put it, the Pats simply are not the same team without Brady. Understatement of the year.Price: Actually could be lower than Chad or Braylon due to reputationSantonio Holmes:Pros: Excellent athlete and best receiver on the team.Cons: Last year was an aberration for Pitt throwing the ball as much as they did, and the addition of Mendenhall to Parker means they can focus on the run more than last year. Targets could be lower than any of the other WRs mentioned here. However, he has had one good game in between two bad ones.Price: Given lack of establishment as a top threat, probably lowest so far.Let's have some others continue this in this format...Of these four I think that Holmes and Braylon are the best buy-lows, with Chad third and Moss fourth.
 
I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.

 
I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.
without any question. ocho cinco's shoulder is scaring me, and i'm really thinking of trying to move him - even for a guy like willie parker who has his own risks right now.
 
I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.
Every owner out there worth his league fees should be contemplating making an offer for at least one of these guys if not all of them, yet no one posts...Chad's price might be considerably lower--it depends on the owner. Some hold onto to their high picks like grim death and some hit the panic button after one subpar game. Right now I have an offer of Slaton+Matt Jones out for him. For Chad and Braylon, this weekend could very well determine their value for a long time. IF neither one has a great game in what was the highest scoring fantasy game of the season last year, I think owners will have a hard time getting a bag of peanuts for either one.
 
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I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.
without any question. ocho cinco's shoulder is scaring me, and i'm really thinking of trying to move him - even for a guy like willie parker who has his own risks right now.
You'd be lucky to get Sammie Parker for Chad right now.
 
I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.
without any question. ocho cinco's shoulder is scaring me, and i'm really thinking of trying to move him - even for a guy like willie parker who has his own risks right now.
You'd be lucky to get Sammie Parker for Chad right now.
i doubt that's true, but i'm willing to accept if ocho has limited value; if that's the case, it'd be worth it to wait for carson palmer to hit his stride and hopefully find chad.
 
I think 99.9% of the fantasy world would fall all over themselves to get Jacobs or Jennings for Chad.
Every owner out there worth his league fees should be contemplating making an offer for at least one of these guys if not all of them, yet no one posts...Chad's price might be considerably lower--it depends on the owner. Some hold onto to their high picks like grim death and some hit the panic button after one subpar game. Right now I have an offer of Slaton+Matt Jones out for him. For Chad and Braylon, this weekend could very well determine their value for a long time. IF neither one has a great game in what was the highest scoring fantasy game of the season last year, I think owners will have a hard time getting a bag of peanuts for either one.
To be perfectly honest I wouldn't trade for any of those players and am not looking to. Cinci, Cle and Pitt all play brutal schedules. Cinci is as dysfunctional and their offensive line has been horrible. Big Ben will be lucky to survive the season. Cleveland has been woeful and we may see a QB change in the near future.If you must take a chance on one of the offenses, I guess I would go with Cinci because of Carson Palmer. But if you really want a piece of the Cinci offense I would avoid Chad and take a flyer on Chris Henry.
 
Every owner out there worth his league fees should be contemplating making an offer for at least one of these guys if not all of them, yet no one posts...
My thread isn't the prettiest. I'm about to delete it and go home. I try and I try, but no one loves me.
 
I just offered Rudi Johnson to the Kevin Smith owner for Chad. He came back with Chad for Bryant Johnson. I'm like, uh, OK!

 
So are you saying you think all of the above WRs will finish below 1,000 yards this year? Cause if they hit that mark, they are looking at 75+ yards per game, which makes them all great WR3s. That's not even counting TDs.

 
WAS @ CIN week 15

CIN @ CLE week 16

KC @ CIN week 17

If CIN can get it going that schedule looks pretty juicy right now you gotta admit. The question is can those guys get you into the playoffs or do you have enough depth to have afford them on your bench?

 
Roy Williams

Pros: Physically gifted; extremely talented

Cons: Plays for Detroit, is disgruntled and Kitna seems to have grown blinders and only throws to CJ even at the cost of multiple interceptions.

Price: Given his history of underperformance, price should be about as low as it could get.

 
I just offered Rudi Johnson to the Kevin Smith owner for Chad. He came back with Chad for Bryant Johnson. I'm like, uh, OK!
I've found that Kevin Smith owners are a bit delusional, or at least the Smith owner in my dynasty league is.Derek Anderson just got outright dropped in my league.
 
Throwing out some ideas:

Roy Williams, Torry Holt, Reggie Brown

Ryan Grant, Willis McGahee, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, DeAngelo Williams

Matt Schaub, David Garrard, Derek Anderson can probably be had for a song

 
How about Matt Hasselbeck? He's probably getting his top two WRs back next week, and most owners probably aren't even starting him right now.

 
So are you saying you think all of the above WRs will finish below 1,000 yards this year? Cause if they hit that mark, they are looking at 75+ yards per game, which makes them all great WR3s. That's not even counting TDs.
I think they all could finish with 1,000 yards. The all could also finish with less that 1,000 yards.These guys all have some value, clearly they aren't stiffs but there are a lot of question marks for the group. Most based upon their teams not their individual talent.Your initial benchmark of Jacobs or Jennings is what seemed most glaringly off to me.Right now I would think Steve Slaton, Julius Jones (a sell high guy in my book), Sammy Morris or maybe even Willis McGahee and Jamal Lewis seem about right for Chad and Santonio. Braylon probably draws a little more because I think he has the most perceived upside.Randy Moss is a real tough one to value. There has been a lot made of him already not running his routes through the end of the play and the concern that he may start pouting etc. I don't think I want anything to do with him.
 
Throwing out some ideas:

Roy Williams, Torry Holt, Reggie Brown

Ryan Grant, Willis McGahee, Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, DeAngelo Williams

Matt Schaub, David Garrard, Derek Anderson can probably be had for a song
This is the very best buy-low out there. He's going top be a top-10 RB this season. The only preseason question was Rodgers and(possibly due to Grant being hurt) he has proven himself.Another one I feel obligated to mention is Marvin Harrison. He is still very involved in the offense and was extremely close to finishing with about 125-3 against the Jags. As Manning and Harrison continue to re-connect on the bye week this is the best time to get him. I feel very strongly that by year's end he'll be a top-15 guy.

 
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Great idea for a write up. Nice work. I think a few of your suggestions are flawed, though. Randy Moss has to rank higher by a wide margin that Holmes/Ocho Cinco/Braylon. Also, Ocho Cinco could be had for cheap, I mean REALLY cheap now in my view. He's got the bum shoulder, which is scary enough, but also has not performed well at all and the team does not look good either. How motivated will Chad be to "suck it up" when the Bengals are 1-7? I think you still view Chad as a borderline Top 10 WR, which I would propose is far too high. Maybe a Top 20 WR, but even that is generous.

My point is that you are overestimating Chad and way underestimating Moss. Again, appreciate the write up. I enjoy these types of threads as they help us all to think critically of players' perceived vs actual value.

 
How about Matt Hasselbeck? He's probably getting his top two WRs back next week, and most owners probably aren't even starting him right now.
If your QB's are horrible and you don't have a lot of trade bait, this is an excellent, economical target. Seattle has been putting up a lot of points without the WR's, and Hasselbeck should be a 1-2 TD guy every week when he gets Branch/Engram back after the bye.
 
In a dynasty, I'll take the following:

Marc Bulger - He can probably be had for virtually nothing at this point, he's typically a top 10 QB when healthy, and I think Scott Linehan and Al Saunders know too much about offense to let this team keep languishing the way it has been

Steven Jackson - same as above, especially considering the success of past RB's in Saunders' offenses

Maurice Morris - that Seattle offense has actually been decent without professional WR's, and I'm not convinced that Julius Jones has locked down the feature RB role there yet.

Kevin Curtis - I think he'll be the #1 WR in that offense again, and McNabb is playing much better this year

James Jones - good player who's likely to produce when he gets health and opportunity

I also agree with the Roy Williams, Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards suggestions

 
Marc Bulger - He can probably be had for virtually nothing at this point, he's typically a top 10 QB when healthy, and I think Scott Linehan and Al Saunders know too much about offense to let this team keep languishing the way it has been
:banned: Uhhhh.....He's been benched for Trent Green.
 
If you must take a chance on one of the offenses, I guess I would go with Cinci because of Carson Palmer. But if you really want a piece of the Cinci offense I would avoid Chad and take a flyer on Chris Henry.
If Chris Henry is even out there on the wire he is worth it to pick up. Over the course of his short career, he has 88 receptions with 17 of them for TD's. That's a 19% clip. I drafted him late 12th round (of 18) knowing full well he'd sit out for 4 weeks. I had the room though, so it wasn't a wasted roster spot. If you can still find him on the wire, don't hesitate to get him.ETA: Sorry, not really what the OP had in mind, but I could not let it go.

 
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Great idea for a write up. Nice work. I think a few of your suggestions are flawed, though. Randy Moss has to rank higher by a wide margin that Holmes/Ocho Cinco/Braylon. Also, Ocho Cinco could be had for cheap, I mean REALLY cheap now in my view. He's got the bum shoulder, which is scary enough, but also has not performed well at all and the team does not look good either. How motivated will Chad be to "suck it up" when the Bengals are 1-7? I think you still view Chad as a borderline Top 10 WR, which I would propose is far too high. Maybe a Top 20 WR, but even that is generous. My point is that you are overestimating Chad and way underestimating Moss. Again, appreciate the write up. I enjoy these types of threads as they help us all to think critically of players' perceived vs actual value.
I'm not the OP but I acknowledge that I may be severely undervaluing Moss. Heck I may be undervaluing all these guys, but Moss is only good when Moss wants to be good and he is a big time prima donna who could easily shut it down for the season if he thinks that his QB can't get him the ball and his team is not good. He has never been a guy who knuckles down and works that much harder when faced with adversity.He is probably the most physically gifted player in the NFL but he doesn't have the mental toughness to go along with that.
 
Roy WilliamsPros: Physically gifted; extremely talentedCons: Plays for Detroit, is disgruntled and Kitna seems to have grown blinders and only throws to CJ even at the cost of multiple interceptions.Price: Given his history of underperformance, price should be about as low as it could get.
You left off UFA for 2009. Got him in a couple leagues and holding.
 
Roy WilliamsPros: Physically gifted; extremely talentedCons: Plays for Detroit, is disgruntled and Kitna seems to have grown blinders and only throws to CJ even at the cost of multiple interceptions.Price: Given his history of underperformance, price should be about as low as it could get.
I actually today closed a dynasty deal moving Santonio for Roy Williams and filler on both sides. Part of what I like is a mitigant to your con - this is the last year of his rookie DET contract. I'm not a Lions fan (thank goodness) but his situation screams of a new team in '09.ETA: wdcrob beat me to it.
 
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i got Braylon AJ Colsten in a few dynasty leagues....was offered Holt for Bray today....but its funny to me, in a DYNASTY league you just have to ride out the ruff stretches. Those guys have elite talent. I need to see if i can buy some of them low but i know i wont see LOW period. Never that.

 
I like this thread... Great refresh from the OP

Ocho Cinco: I have him in 4 leagues, I would love to get the value that the OP talked about... but I'm not selling to low either. I've seen him play, his shoulder isn't the problem... its Carson and the O-Line. I'm holding and Hoping.

Edwards: never owned him ever, but he is suffering from a huge case of the drops... I've attempt to aquire him, its tough and still to expensive

Moss: For many, he was either #1 or #2 wr taken... its still way to early to ship him out unless your getting a bundle.

Curtis: I was offer Curtis for 09 2nd and couldn't hit accept fast enough. His value is really low w/ the DeSean there

Roy W: I say buy him with the hopes that Det lets him walk next yr. He is looking to have a horrible yr.

Peyton: Many Manning Owners are getting nervous... make an attempt, you just never know. You got to feel that Indy will come out of the BYE guns firing.

K Winslow: As a KWIII owner... I'm scared, I would gladly be willing to swap KW for Cooley right now

Eddie Royal: hes very talented... hes going to develop into a solid WR, I would take this opp and make the move after 2 quiet weeks.

Fanaso: He looks like a stud, a total Clone of Witten... his value is just going to raise.

 
Chad:Pros: Always racks up big numbers in year end totals. Plays on what should be a healthy passing attackCons: Inconsistent week to week, Cincy looks to be in shambles, shoulder injury, may not even be the best receiver on his team. Many people think that Cincy's spotty o-line play is leading to his low production.Price: I would think that he could be had for a guy like Brandon Jacobs or possibly a guy like JenningsBraylon:Pros: Young emerging stud on what was a good offense, Big TD and yardage numbers last year, looked to be trending upwards prior to seasonCons: Browns 08 are not Browns 09, QB questions, RB questions, and simply can't seem to hold on to a ball. There was the foot injury but I fail to see how that relates to leading the NFL in dropped passes.Price: Should be about same as Chad, maybe higher due to being in better health and having less competition for targetsRandy Moss:Pros: When motivated, hands-down the best receiver in the leagueCons: Last year with Brady the first time he looked motivated since he played with Cpep, and is already looking like he's going into pout mode. And as Joey Porter put it, the Pats simply are not the same team without Brady. Understatement of the year.Price: Actually could be lower than Chad or Braylon due to reputationSantonio Holmes:Pros: Excellent athlete and best receiver on the team.Cons: Last year was an aberration for Pitt throwing the ball as much as they did, and the addition of Mendenhall to Parker means they can focus on the run more than last year. Targets could be lower than any of the other WRs mentioned here. However, he has had one good game in between two bad ones.Price: Given lack of establishment as a top threat, probably lowest so far.Let's have some others continue this in this format...Of these four I think that Holmes and Braylon are the best buy-lows, with Chad third and Moss fourth.
given fast Willie Parker's injuries of late, I'm taking Holmes.Pitt will need to pass more , the running game is going south with Mendenhall...
 

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