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With Brady back, I'm sure the Patriots plan on, you know, playing in some playoff games...doubt they'd be interested in LT.
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So what exactly has Bradshaw done lately that falls into the 'bad behavior' category?I know during the offseason he's been taking care of the penalties for something that happened before he was drafted.Don't know the cap ramifications of this, but with DWard gone to the Buccos, and having seen how far Earth/Wind/Fire took them last year, I'd have to think the G-Men would have to seriously consider adding LT to pair up with bruiser Brandon Jacobs, especially since it's reasonable for them to hedge their bet on Bradshaw's ability to behave himself.
Talk about pee-ing on the NFC fire hydrant (marking their territory). An LT signing might even get them off the hook for dismissing Plax, and his presence on the field would certainly make things easier on the young corps of WR (SSmith, Hixon, Tyree, SinMoss etc.), and TE Kevin Boss.
When you look at the Giants' skill position players, the one area LT could have the most impact is converting on 3rd and less-than-5 when having a versatile weapon who's presence on the field doesn't show your hand. Which in turn leads to extending time of possession, and allowing that Defense that they've put so much effort into bolstering, to be fresh and aggressive whenever they hit the field.
I'm comfortably adding them to my mix that includes GB, Det, NO, Ariz, Cinci and Houston.
He was the 21st pick in the '06 draft. I thought signing bonuses were pretty small once you got past the top 10. Jarvis Green is good but is not really necessary. Faulk is very expendable at 35 (?), Bruschi could very likely be replaced in this draft, Watson and Woods are easy to move on without as well... just from David's list above there is plenty of cap room available to make if you wanted to. If Maroney would count more in accelerated bonus money than his salary loss would count, then I agree that he stays as there are other roster spots that could be cleared more easily.I do think it's likely that the Pats wouldn't be able to offer as much to LT as some other teams, but if he really wants a ring it's possible.Forgot to mention that cutting Maroney would count $725K against the cap, so they wouldn't save aanything by trading or releasing him.Thanks for the info David. Always good when a fan of a team chimes in to give the facts.After blowing $3M for this year on Fred Taylor and signing some other pieces to the puzzle, NE probably can't afford someone like LT. Before the Shawn Springs signing, NE was about $12 million under the cap but they still have holes to fill (LB, DB, WR, backup QB for starters, all their rookies for another). They also have several guys with contracts up after this year (Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins, Jarvis Green, Kevin Faulk, Stephen Neal, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, Tedy Bruschi, Ben Watson, Pierre Woods, Stephen Gostkowski, David Thomas, and several others).... unless they need the roster spot for a better player.Laurence Maroney is cheap.He only counts 600K against the cap.He will not be cut...fsufan said:NE will cut maroney and sign LT, if he is cutI say he takes the new offer from SD
Actually Yudkin is pretty much right in his summarization. Seymour will likely walk after this season. So I don’t (personally) think they are going to worry much about paying him. They would be better suited to let him play with that contract season incentive, and then go try and hijack another team for Haynesworth type of bread. Green has filled in very well for Seymour when called on, and I would think they will look to pay him first at half the price. Faulk will never be expendable. Bruschi is certainly expendable and will likely be gone after this season one way or another. It's almost a sure bet that they will upgrade Tedy with a draft pick this year and maybe a JAG next season (if the rook isn’t ready for full time duty).He was the 21st pick in the '06 draft. I thought signing bonuses were pretty small once you got past the top 10. Jarvis Green is good but is not really necessary. Faulk is very expendable at 35 (?), Bruschi could very likely be replaced in this draft, Watson and Woods are easy to move on without as well... just from David's list above there is plenty of cap room available to make if you wanted to. If Maroney would count more in accelerated bonus money than his salary loss would count, then I agree that he stays as there are other roster spots that could be cleared more easily.I do think it's likely that the Pats wouldn't be able to offer as much to LT as some other teams, but if he really wants a ring it's possible.Forgot to mention that cutting Maroney would count $725K against the cap, so they wouldn't save aanything by trading or releasing him.Thanks for the info David. Always good when a fan of a team chimes in to give the facts.After blowing $3M for this year on Fred Taylor and signing some other pieces to the puzzle, NE probably can't afford someone like LT. Before the Shawn Springs signing, NE was about $12 million under the cap but they still have holes to fill (LB, DB, WR, backup QB for starters, all their rookies for another). They also have several guys with contracts up after this year (Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins, Jarvis Green, Kevin Faulk, Stephen Neal, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, Tedy Bruschi, Ben Watson, Pierre Woods, Stephen Gostkowski, David Thomas, and several others).... unless they need the roster spot for a better player.Laurence Maroney is cheap.He only counts 600K against the cap.fsufan said:NE will cut maroney and sign LT, if he is cut
I say he takes the new offer from SD
He will not be cut...
Same here, but I kinda get the feeling that if this happens both backs are still going to be in some sort of RBBC no matter where LT lands. What is there maybe like 4 perfect situations for LT to land in where he would be the unquestioned everydown workhorse starter: SEA, CLE, AZ, CIN?It's sad for Charger fans IMO but AJ Smith played this exactly like I thought weeks ago....he doesn't want him back so make but you can't just cut him so you offer him an offer you know he won't take. Remember Drew Brees? I think they are making a mistake but time will tell.From a fantasy POV though it will work out great for me owning Sproles and LT.![]()
dude, what are you talking about??Alexander hit a wall because he ran for 700 yards and 4 tds in 07. He Sucked. LT went for 1100 and 11 tds last year and he was hurt. There is absolutely no similarities between the two players. I am so sick of hearing this stupid analogy.fyi: LT had a 3.9 ypc in 2004. He probably hit a wall then too.the problem with LT is, we don't know if last year's fall was truly because of his injuries, or he's just hit that wall due to age, and is now SA.![]()
it depends...if he goes the Indy...Joseph who? I know they are up tight against the cap so that probably won't happen but you never know, Manning could restructure, etc. He'd be much better than anyone in Denver, he could go to NO and be very productive, he's better than anyone in GB, the Jets, etc.Same here, but I kinda get the feeling that if this happens both backs are still going to be in some sort of RBBC no matter where LT lands. What is there maybe like 4 perfect situations for LT to land in where he would be the unquestioned everydown workhorse starter: SEA, CLE, AZ, CIN?It's sad for Charger fans IMO but AJ Smith played this exactly like I thought weeks ago....he doesn't want him back so make but you can't just cut him so you offer him an offer you know he won't take. Remember Drew Brees? I think they are making a mistake but time will tell.From a fantasy POV though it will work out great for me owning Sproles and LT.![]()
agreed. Just talking about where there is completely no competition. I guess Hightower, Benson and Lews but you know! What a run in dynasty leagues though (LT, Turner, Sproles)....The LT Handcuff Plan leads to starting RBs. Just grab his handcuff, hold for a bit and you'll soon have a family tree of starting RBs each on different teams with their own gig!it depends...if he goes the Indy...Joseph who? I know they are up tight against the cap so that probably won't happen but you never know, Manning could restructure, etc. He'd be much better than anyone in Denver, he could go to NO and be very productive, he's better than anyone in GB, the Jets, etc.Same here, but I kinda get the feeling that if this happens both backs are still going to be in some sort of RBBC no matter where LT lands. What is there maybe like 4 perfect situations for LT to land in where he would be the unquestioned everydown workhorse starter: SEA, CLE, AZ, CIN?It's sad for Charger fans IMO but AJ Smith played this exactly like I thought weeks ago....he doesn't want him back so make but you can't just cut him so you offer him an offer you know he won't take. Remember Drew Brees? I think they are making a mistake but time will tell.From a fantasy POV though it will work out great for me owning Sproles and LT.![]()
I disagree that Faulk wouldn't be expendable if NE was running Fred & LT, but I'm not thinking LT goes there either. Just expressing a possible destination and that the Pats aren't above surprising us with big moves.I do like the Arizona possibility very much, but I think that would also mean that they intend to sit on Boldin's contract (which I believe they do anyways) and that could piss him off to the point of holding out.Actually Yudkin is pretty much right in his summarization. Seymour will likely walk after this season. So I don’t (personally) think they are going to worry much about paying him. They would be better suited to let him play with that contract season incentive, and then go try and hijack another team for Haynesworth type of bread. Green has filled in very well for Seymour when called on, and I would think they will look to pay him first at half the price. Faulk will never be expendable. Bruschi is certainly expendable and will likely be gone after this season one way or another. It's almost a sure bet that they will upgrade Tedy with a draft pick this year and maybe a JAG next season (if the rook isn’t ready for full time duty).I do think it's likely that the Pats wouldn't be able to offer as much to LT as some other teams, but if he really wants a ring it's possible.
Bottom line is this....
A. NE can’t afford him
B. I highly doubt BB would want him. Bill holds grudges with the best of them and the need just isn’t there @ RB.
C. He is not worth it. Not even a reduced rate. I can’t imagine why he would even consider taking less to play for NE when SD has just as good a chance of making it to the SB.
As to where I think LT will land (assuming he is cut). Arizona seems to me like the most likely landing spot. They have a recent history of signing once great running backs. Don’t see why the succession wouldn’t continue Emmitt – Edge – LT. Makes a whole lot of sense without knowing their cap situation.
Pats would save $3.1 million in cap space jettisoning Faulk . . . but I think that would be unlikely. I more see him reworking his deal, adding another year to reduce his cap hit for 2009.Cookiemonster said:I disagree that Faulk wouldn't be expendable if NE was running Fred & LT, but I'm not thinking LT goes there either. Just expressing a possible destination and that the Pats aren't above surprising us with big moves.I do like the Arizona possibility very much, but I think that would also mean that they intend to sit on Boldin's contract (which I believe they do anyways) and that could piss him off to the point of holding out.Carver said:Actually Yudkin is pretty much right in his summarization. Seymour will likely walk after this season. So I don’t (personally) think they are going to worry much about paying him. They would be better suited to let him play with that contract season incentive, and then go try and hijack another team for Haynesworth type of bread. Green has filled in very well for Seymour when called on, and I would think they will look to pay him first at half the price. Faulk will never be expendable. Bruschi is certainly expendable and will likely be gone after this season one way or another. It's almost a sure bet that they will upgrade Tedy with a draft pick this year and maybe a JAG next season (if the rook isn’t ready for full time duty).Cookiemonster said:I do think it's likely that the Pats wouldn't be able to offer as much to LT as some other teams, but if he really wants a ring it's possible.
Bottom line is this....
A. NE can’t afford him
B. I highly doubt BB would want him. Bill holds grudges with the best of them and the need just isn’t there @ RB.
C. He is not worth it. Not even a reduced rate. I can’t imagine why he would even consider taking less to play for NE when SD has just as good a chance of making it to the SB.
As to where I think LT will land (assuming he is cut). Arizona seems to me like the most likely landing spot. They have a recent history of signing once great running backs. Don’t see why the succession wouldn’t continue Emmitt – Edge – LT. Makes a whole lot of sense without knowing their cap situation.
Cleveland is one I like very much, as Lewis is probably best-suited as a short-yardage/goaline, but him & LT could split the load very effectively knowing that each has feature-back ability and keep each other's aging bodies a little more fresh. It'd be nice to see LT a little healthier & fresher in the (FFB) playoffs for once, wouldn't it?
What is Seattle's cap situation after Housh? Baltimore if they terminate McGahee's contract? Cincy? N.O. has been mentioned and is possible, but I think they have too much invested at RB anyways with Bush's top rookie contract.
If LT is more intent on a title and is willing to sacrifice a little salary, then Indy may be my favorite pick. I don't claim to know anything about Philly's cap situation, but they just let Buckhalter go, and Westy can't stay healthy for a whole year. That'd be another dynamic place to pair up in, and everybody has them taking a RB in one of the 1st two rounds of their mock drafts.
The Chargers offseason workouts reportedly start March 30th. It's the same thing that started Steve McNair's departure out of Tennessee years ago because of injury risk. If LT gets hurt at one of those things the Chargers would be on the hook for his money...the same cash they don't want to pay him for the 2009 season.21 days and counting...Tigerbot Hesh said:Since the Chargers do not owe him a roster bonus or anything, I think there's a chance they let LT twist until the draft and they try to deal him draft weekend. If they can't move him, they could draft a RB early and then let LT decide between sharing time with Sproles and the rookie RB to be named and taking a pay cut or just getting his outright release in a market that would be pretty full by then.
yeah LT comes in the weight room and pulls a hammy doing squats.......BOOOM ROASTEDThe Chargers offseason workouts reportedly start March 30th. It's the same thing that started Steve McNair's departure out of Tennessee years ago because of injury risk. If LT gets hurt at one of those things the Chargers would be on the hook for his money...the same cash they don't want to pay him for the 2009 season.21 days and counting...Tigerbot Hesh said:Since the Chargers do not owe him a roster bonus or anything, I think there's a chance they let LT twist until the draft and they try to deal him draft weekend. If they can't move him, they could draft a RB early and then let LT decide between sharing time with Sproles and the rookie RB to be named and taking a pay cut or just getting his outright release in a market that would be pretty full by then.
Does final stages mean the same as final offer take it or leave it?From the San Diego Union TribuneStay or go? Decision now in LT's hands By Kevin Acee It's been almost two weeks since the Chargers and LaDainian Tomlinson's agent began the back and forth of a contract restructure for the iconic running back. The back and forth is finished. This is up to Tomlinson now. It's a matter of whether he wants to play for less money in San Diego. Information is coming in this saga like water from a drippy faucet. But my understanding is that Tomlinson has the Chargers' final offer. That offer could be for two years or three years. Whatever it is, it will be for less money than the $24 million he is scheduled to make by 2011. What form the new money takes (signing bonus, roster bonus, incentives) is not known. We heard Thursday on 1090-AM from Tomlinson's mother that it's not promising Tomlinson will remain a Charger. Even before that, every indication I had gotten privately from those who know Tomlinson was that he was gone. What does that mean? I have no confidence that I know. But we do know that at this point it's up to him whether he wants to stay and play for less money.LT isnt going anywhere from KFFL off the wire:Chargers | Tomlinson close to restructuring contractMon, 09 Mar 2009 10:05:44 -0700Updating a previous item, ESPNews reports San Diego Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson is in the final stages of restructuring his contract with the team.
There is no Final Offer take it or leave it. Accee is incorrect there. From ESPN:Does final stages mean the same as final offer take it or leave it?From the San Diego Union TribuneLT isnt going anywhere from KFFL off the wire:
Chargers | Tomlinson close to restructuring contract
Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:05:44 -0700
Updating a previous item, ESPNews reports San Diego Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson is in the final stages of restructuring his contract with the team.
Stay or go? Decision now in LT's hands
By Kevin Acee
It's been almost two weeks since the Chargers and LaDainian Tomlinson's agent began the back and forth of a contract restructure for the iconic running back.
The back and forth is finished.
This is up to Tomlinson now. It's a matter of whether he wants to play for less money in San Diego.
Information is coming in this saga like water from a drippy faucet. But my understanding is that Tomlinson has the Chargers' final offer.
That offer could be for two years or three years. Whatever it is, it will be for less money than the $24 million he is scheduled to make by 2011. What form the new money takes (signing bonus, roster bonus, incentives) is not known.
We heard Thursday on 1090-AM from Tomlinson's mother that it's not promising Tomlinson will remain a Charger. Even before that, every indication I had gotten privately from those who know Tomlinson was that he was gone.
What does that mean? I have no confidence that I know.
But we do know that at this point it's up to him whether he wants to stay and play for less money.
thehornet said:dude, what are you talking about??Alexander hit a wall because he ran for 700 yards and 4 tds in 07. He Sucked. LT went for 1100 and 11 tds last year and he was hurt. There is absolutely no similarities between the two players. I am so sick of hearing this stupid analogy.fyi: LT had a 3.9 ypc in 2004. He probably hit a wall then too.the problem with LT is, we don't know if last year's fall was truly because of his injuries, or he's just hit that wall due to age, and is now SA. :(
SA had no heart for the game when he finished he was done, the ONLY thing he was after was $$. LT has more pride, heart, and fight than 10 SA's.As mentioned earlier, the Saints were very cash strapped (at least as of last week) and had to cut players to just get under the cap with the new NFL calender rolling over. Not sure they have the cap space to take on LT.Mort on ESPN regarding LT
My take - clearly LT wants to stay in SD and the Chargers seem interested in keeping him at the right price. I think the deal gets done since in the best interests of both parties for him to remain a Charger.
Part of me wouldn't mind seeing him team up again in NO with Brees just to see what that offense could do.
I read on the Saints board that the cap situation isn't as bad as reported since they still have several players they could cut as well as restructure some contracts. Also, LT's deal won't break the bank so there's at a possibility they could work something out if he decides not to take the Chargers' offer.As mentioned earlier, the Saints were very cash strapped (at least as of last week) and had to cut players to just get under the cap with the new NFL calender rolling over. Not sure they have the cap space to take on LT.Mort on ESPN regarding LT
My take - clearly LT wants to stay in SD and the Chargers seem interested in keeping him at the right price. I think the deal gets done since in the best interests of both parties for him to remain a Charger.
Part of me wouldn't mind seeing him team up again in NO with Brees just to see what that offense could do.
Maybe he's loyal to a fault. Frankly, it's nice to have a guy like that around today.as a Sproles, owner, who just traded for LT, I am kinda disappointed with LT. Was expecting him to demand what he believes he's worth.. maybe he IS soft, and he caved.... i think there is too much time spent for him to be a draft day trade....
If they're putting all the money into this year and making it real cheap on the back end, I think they are just greasing the skids to cut him once this coming season is over with.Any chance that they are redoing his contract to trade him away to someone else?Maybe he's loyal to a fault. Frankly, it's nice to have a guy like that around today.as a Sproles, owner, who just traded for LT, I am kinda disappointed with LT. Was expecting him to demand what he believes he's worth.. maybe he IS soft, and he caved.... i think there is too much time spent for him to be a draft day trade....
why would they front load and cut???makes no sense, usually you back load and cut.He isnt going anywhere for at least 3 years.If they're putting all the money into this year and making it real cheap on the back end, I think they are just greasing the skids to cut him once this coming season is over with.Any chance that they are redoing his contract to trade him away to someone else?Maybe he's loyal to a fault. Frankly, it's nice to have a guy like that around today.as a Sproles, owner, who just traded for LT, I am kinda disappointed with LT. Was expecting him to demand what he believes he's worth.. maybe he IS soft, and he caved.... i think there is too much time spent for him to be a draft day trade....
Unless the Chargers convert some of the money he's giving up into a signing bonus or something, I don't think there would be a big cap hit from releasing him after another year. I could see the Chargers making him share time this year, then either cutting him or making him take a backseat to Sproles/someone else, much like Fred Taylor and MJD. Whatever the market was for LT's services, I doubt there would be more demand for him next summer with another year's worth of wear and tear on his body.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:why would they front load and cut???makes no sense, usually you back load and cut.He isnt going anywhere for at least 3 years.Tigerbot Hesh said:If they're putting all the money into this year and making it real cheap on the back end, I think they are just greasing the skids to cut him once this coming season is over with.Any chance that they are redoing his contract to trade him away to someone else?cstu said:Maybe he's loyal to a fault. Frankly, it's nice to have a guy like that around today.noneother said:as a Sproles, owner, who just traded for LT, I am kinda disappointed with LT. Was expecting him to demand what he believes he's worth.. maybe he IS soft, and he caved.... i think there is too much time spent for him to be a draft day trade....

Lighten up, I think those are funny videos.and cachi continues to add quality to the shark pool again and again
"Complete details of the breakdown weren't available Tuesday night. According to a source, Tomlinson won't take a pay cut from his $6.725 million salary in 2009 but the deal was restructured to give the team a cap break in 2009. Tomlinson's cap number in 2009 was scheduled to be $8,791,666."Yup, sounds like he got lowballed alright.Seems pretty obvious they are going to cut LT, they supposedly offered him a lowball contract to restructure and a man of his stature isnt about to play for less than the little guy.
Tomlinson re-signed through 2011The San Diego Chargers have reached a new three-year deal with RB LaDainian Tomlinson. This deal will last through the 2011 season. Financial terms have not been disclosed.
That's great news for the Chargers. I seriously didn't think it was going to work out but I'm glad it did. He should retire a Charger.from KFFL
Tomlinson re-signed through 2011The San Diego Chargers have reached a new three-year deal with RB LaDainian Tomlinson. This deal will last through the 2011 season. Financial terms have not been disclosed.