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[Buffaloes]

How badly did the nfl want Dallas to win today?

a.) 10

b.) 11

c.) 12

Ugh, thought I made this a poll.

 

[amnesiac]

close enough.

 

[Deamon]

13.

Yes, this photo shows that there was CLEARLY no Pass Interference.... so clear that they needed to overturn it a full minute later.

lions-cowboys-flag.jpg

 

[BobbyLayne]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

 

[Deamon]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

 

[Raider Nation]

Morelli's explanation to reporters.

 

[Dizzy]

Home cooking.

And, maybe a little nit-picky, but did I see DeMarco Murray rip his helmet off in celebration after scoring a TD? Should have been 15 enforced on the kickoff, no?

 

[Bankerguy]

OMG...

 

[The General]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

He is a huge Lions fan or was at least rooting for them the entire game. One of the few people making sense in the game thread.

 

[MAC_32]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

Naw, actually that's from the pool reporter/referee exchange. That and Suh's first comment in the locker room, "one play isn't the whole game"

 

[BobbyLayne]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

He is a huge Lions fan or was at least rooting for them the entire game. One of the few people making sense in the game thread.

Lots of reasons they lost today, but it's come down to make plays not excuses. They had their chances.

 

[Buffaloes]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

not sure that's what I am saying in the OP. just wondering how badly the league desired Dallas move on this week.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also, congrats to Buffaloes for learning how to make a poll. Big moment there.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If you put yourself in a position where one judgement call is going to mean winning or losing, then you probably didn't do enough with the other 120 plays. Simple solution: play well enough it doesn't matter.

 

[Buffaloes]

Also, congrats to Buffaloes for learning how to make a poll. Big moment there.

probably wouldn't have figure it out w/o you.

the unofficial box score:

Poll-Buffaloes (1), Assist-BobbyLayne (21)

 

[BobbyLayne]

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The scenario was bizarre, with them picking up the flag after it had been announced, but the PI itself was not egregious. It was no different than 20 other plays that happen every week where PI maybe could have been called but wasn't. If the flag had never been thrown in the first place no one would be talking about it at all.

 

[MAC_32]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

not sure that's what I am saying in the OP. just wondering how badly the league desired Dallas move on this week.

Yea, that is why you started the thread.Did Morelli convert those two first downs for Dallas? The same 4th downs that Detroit chose to punt?

 

[Manster]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

not sure that's what I am saying in the OP. just wondering how badly the league desired Dallas move on this week.

glad you started a thread and attempted a poll.

I'm sure the refs were told by the NFL to make sure the Cowboys won......They saw an opportunity on the Hitchens flag....haha

 

[Bankerguy]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

not sure that's what I am saying in the OP. just wondering how badly the league desired Dallas move on this week.

glad you started a thread and attempted a poll.

I'm sure the refs were told by the NFL to make sure the Cowboys won......They saw an opportunity on the Hitchens flag....haha

Yes...

After taking a Dallas TD off the boards on a ticky tacky Witten hold. Missed bump on Harris after a fair catch. Missed a run into our kicker. In general there were missed calls both ways. I am biased, but Hitchens touching 87 on the shoulder is not PI and I think they got it right. This is not College with face guarding rules as the ref pointed out afterwards. The closest ref over ruled the call who was the 4th furthest official away. 3 others refs were closer and none called it either. Conspiracy theories are sexy though.

1 play doesn't make the game. They had plenty of chances afterwards.

 

[rjv]

My question is after that pass inter no call, how does Dez not get a penalty for being in the middle of the field with his helmet off, isn't he on offence?

 

[rockaction]

And if A-Rod doesn't get called for slapping the ball out of Arroyo's hand in 2004 during the Sox/Yankees tilt, the Yanks probably win Game Six.

Sometimes officiating is to blame. See: Denkinger, Don.

I know BL is the biggest Lions fan on here, but I'm not seeing his view on this.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

13.

Yes, this photo shows that there was CLEARLY no Pass Interference.... so clear that they needed to overturn it a full minute later.

lions-cowboys-flag.jpg

What that photo CLEARLY shows is that the Dallas defender has only one arm, but with that one arm he was pushing the receiver away from the ball while the one-armed defender was not looking back for the ball. A clear foul in this day and age, but a courageous effort by that handicapable defender.

 

[Bamac]

Surprised I'm the only vote for 11. The SP is always so polarized.

 

[MikeApf]

Someone enlighten me: what is the rationale for not letting a play like the PI "Call then no-call" non-reviewable. I believe even Jerry Jones has come out and said he believes that everything, including PI, should be reviewable, so that refs can get every call right.

If you challenge and squander your challenge on such a play, so be it. Coaches don't have infinite challenges, so they can't bog the game down.

Seriously, what is the rationale? It seems that this would have been the perfect situation for a review?

Oh, and in answer to your poll: 15

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

He's a Lions fan, and correct.

 

[mr roboto]

Face guarding in and of itself is not DPI, though its often called if there is contact and the defender never turns around.

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Sounds like someone read a ####ty yahoo article haha. Word for word.

You're an idiot.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The scenario was bizarre, with them picking up the flag after it had been announced, but the PI itself was not egregious. It was no different than 20 other plays that happen every week where PI maybe could have been called but wasn't. If the flag had never been thrown in the first place no one would be talking about it at all.

The defender is shoving the receiver and making no effort whatsoever to play the ball. It's as clear-cut a PI call as you will ever see short a all-out tackle.

 

[gianmarco]

If the NFL really wanted Dallas to win, what have they been doing all these past years?

 

[Jeremy]

The NFL absolutely wanted the Cowboys to win that game. But that has nothing to do with the officiating. At worst I wouldn't put it past Jerry Jones to grease the palm of a rogue official, but even that is extremely far fetched.

 

[Amused to Death]

The NFL absolutely wanted the Cowboys to win that game. But that has nothing to do with the officiating. At worst I wouldn't put it past Jerry Jones to grease the palm of a rogue official, but even that is extremely far fetched.

It is?

 

[Dizzy]

No one play is the whole game, and it wasn't here.

Agreed, but in hindsight, it was THE most pivotal play of the game. NFL found a way to ruin the only interesting play-off game of the weekend.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Morelli threw the game winner to Terrance Williams?

not sure that's what I am saying in the OP. just wondering how badly the league desired Dallas move on this week.

glad you started a thread and attempted a poll.

I'm sure the refs were told by the NFL to make sure the Cowboys won......They saw an opportunity on the Hitchens flag....haha

Yes...

After taking a Dallas TD off the boards on a ticky tacky Witten hold. Missed bump on Harris after a fair catch. Missed a run into our kicker. In general there were missed calls both ways. I am biased, but Hitchens touching 87 on the shoulder is not PI and I think they got it right. This is not College with face guarding rules as the ref pointed out afterwards. The closest ref over ruled the call who was the 4th furthest official away. 3 others refs were closer and none called it either. Conspiracy theories are sexy though.

1 play doesn't make the game. They had plenty of chances afterwards.

the hold on witten was not ticky tacky. it was a hold that allowed (I believe) murray to get to the corner and score. the bump on harris, ha. the run into your kicker shoulda been called, but It woulda been a 5 yard penalty and repunt. the refs also missed a hold on tyron smith on the game winning td.

the picked up foul was the definition of PI, regardless of what you think. go read the rules.

the one thing you are right about is one play does not make a game. but in the case of this game, a series of egregious calls did

 

[B Maverick]

So with 8 mins left in the game, Det up 20-17 on 3rd down and driving we get this series of events:

Refs miss the def holding by the LB, the Facemask by the TE, called the DPI and announced the penalty to the crowd, does nothing with a helmet-less Dez Bryant on the field arguing the call except decides to not enforce the penalty with NO explanation leaving Det in 4th and 1 instead of first and 10 closer to the endzone.

Det shanks the punt for 10 yards giving Dallas the ball and momentum.

Det gets called for a couple penalties extending Dallas' drive. On 3rd down (I believe), Det gets a major stop when Romo completes a pass to Randal who is on the ground. Flags call holding on Det (correctly) but overlooks the hands to the face penalty on the Dallas Oline. Dallas converts 4th down.

Dallas still driving converts on 4th down leading to the game winning TD, Romo to Williams while the refs decide not to call the two holding penalties on the Dallas Oline which gives Romo the immense time he has to sit back and throw the pass.

Did I miss anything?

One play may not make the game but it would seem a series of events might.

 

[GreenNGold]

Dez was not required to be wearing a helmet there (players involved in the play cannot remove them to argue but does not apply to players on the sideline), whether he should have been flagged for running onto the field is another question.

 

[Amused to Death]

So with 8 mins left in the game, Det up 20-17 on 3rd down and driving we get this series of events:

Refs miss the def holding by the LB, the Facemask by the TE, called the DPI and announced the penalty to the crowd, does nothing with a helmet-less Dez Bryant on the field arguing the call except decides to not enforce the penalty with NO explanation leaving Det in 4th and 1 instead of first and 10 closer to the endzone.

Det shanks the punt for 10 yards giving Dallas the ball and momentum.

Det gets called for a couple penalties extending Dallas' drive. On 3rd down (I believe), Det gets a major stop when Romo completes a pass to Randal who is on the ground. Flags call holding on Det (correctly) but overlooks the hands to the face penalty on the Dallas Oline. Dallas converts 4th down.

Dallas still driving converts on 4th down leading to the game winning TD, Romo to Williams while the refs decide not to call the two holding penalties on the Dallas Oline which gives Romo the immense time he has to sit back and throw the pass.

Did I miss anything?

One play may not make the game but it would seem a series of events might.

Pretty much nailed it, but you could add the part where the head of officials parties with the COO/EVP/Director of Player Personnel for the Cowboys.

 

[roadkill1292]

Also, congrats to Buffaloes for learning how to make a poll. Big moment there.

Well, he's no Fullback Fro.

 

[amnesiac]

Also, congrats to Buffaloes for learning how to make a poll. Big moment there.

Well, he's no Fullback Fro.

yesno

 

[CalBear]

How badly did the nfl want Dallas to win today?

a.) 10

b.) 11

c.) 12

Ugh, thought I made this a poll.

How about zero, since they could easily have left Suh's suspension in place for the game.

 

[Routilla]

How badly did the nfl want Dallas to win today?

a.) 10

b.) 11

c.) 12

Ugh, thought I made this a poll.

How about zero, since they could easily have left Suh's suspension in place for the game.

No doubt. This kind of kills that theory for the haters, lol.

 

[Buffaloes]

How badly did the nfl want Dallas to win today?

a.) 10

b.) 11

c.) 12

Ugh, thought I made this a poll.

How about zero, since they could easily have left Suh's suspension in place for the game.

???

that's not between 1 and 10

 

[CalBear]

How badly did the nfl want Dallas to win today?

a.) 10

b.) 11

c.) 12

Ugh, thought I made this a poll.

How about zero, since they could easily have left Suh's suspension in place for the game.

???

that's not between 1 and 10

π

 

[Manster]

So with 8 mins left in the game, Det up 20-17 on 3rd down and driving we get this series of events:

Refs miss the def holding by the LB, the Facemask by the TE, called the DPI and announced the penalty to the crowd, does nothing with a helmet-less Dez Bryant on the field arguing the call except decides to not enforce the penalty with NO explanation leaving Det in 4th and 1 instead of first and 10 closer to the endzone.

Det shanks the punt for 10 yards giving Dallas the ball and momentum.

Det gets called for a couple penalties extending Dallas' drive. On 3rd down (I believe), Det gets a major stop when Romo completes a pass to Randal who is on the ground. Flags call holding on Det (correctly) but overlooks the hands to the face penalty on the Dallas Oline. Dallas converts 4th down.

Dallas still driving converts on 4th down leading to the game winning TD, Romo to Williams while the refs decide not to call the two holding penalties on the Dallas Oline which gives Romo the immense time he has to sit back and throw the pass.

Did I miss anything?

One play may not make the game but it would seem a series of events might.

Pretty much nailed it, but you could add the part where the head of officials parties with the COO/EVP/Director of Player Personnel for the Cowboys.

Well that settles it. Great explanation of a series of events that led to the NFL giving the game to Dallas. And here I thought Romo showed some sack in leading the Cowboys to victory. I thought the Cowboys defense was makin plays to seal the win........But it was all an illusion. Thanks for setting the record straight. Oh, and I'm glad you didn't mention any of the missed penalties that the Lions commited......I'm sure that was intentional to make the fix not look so blatant.

 

[B Maverick]

So with 8 mins left in the game, Det up 20-17 on 3rd down and driving we get this series of events:

Refs miss the def holding by the LB, the Facemask by the TE, called the DPI and announced the penalty to the crowd, does nothing with a helmet-less Dez Bryant on the field arguing the call except decides to not enforce the penalty with NO explanation leaving Det in 4th and 1 instead of first and 10 closer to the endzone.

Det shanks the punt for 10 yards giving Dallas the ball and momentum.

Det gets called for a couple penalties extending Dallas' drive. On 3rd down (I believe), Det gets a major stop when Romo completes a pass to Randal who is on the ground. Flags call holding on Det (correctly) but overlooks the hands to the face penalty on the Dallas Oline. Dallas converts 4th down.

Dallas still driving converts on 4th down leading to the game winning TD, Romo to Williams while the refs decide not to call the two holding penalties on the Dallas Oline which gives Romo the immense time he has to sit back and throw the pass.

Did I miss anything?

One play may not make the game but it would seem a series of events might.

Pretty much nailed it, but you could add the part where the head of officials parties with the COO/EVP/Director of Player Personnel for the Cowboys.

Well that settles it. Great explanation of a series of events that led to the NFL giving the game to Dallas. And here I thought Romo showed some sack in leading the Cowboys to victory. I thought the Cowboys defense was makin plays to seal the win........But it was all an illusion. Thanks for setting the record straight. Oh, and I'm glad you didn't mention any of the missed penalties that the Lions commited......I'm sure that was intentional to make the fix not look so blatant.

Well so far since then the NFL has said the DPI is debatable (BS) but defensive holding (5 yards, 1st down) should have been. Just now it was reported that league told Detroit the refs missed a holding call on Dallas that allowed them to convert 4th and 6 on their gw drive. Properly called that would have put Dallas at 4th and 16 on Detroit's side of the field.... And yes the defensive player held was Suh (take it for what you will).

And as for Suh, as I understand it his past transgressions could NOT be used against him since they happened over 32 games ago and the new NFL rule prohibits suspensions based on history that long ago. Had it been another player stepping on a QB (any QB) and the NFL announced a fine not a suspension how many of you would be this upset? Basically thats what the rule did, made Suh into any other player. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it (even with the numb feet exscuse)

I realized there were missed calls all game, always are. And all of them have an impact. I am neither for Detroit nor against Dallas (or vice versa) I was just recounting what I saw in the final 8 mins of an excellent playoff game that slanted in Dallas' favor. Maybe Detroit doesnt score, maybe Stafford throws an INT or they miss yet another FG. Who knows. But when time is running out, mistakes by everyone, including the refs are magnified and can ruin a game.