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The British honored their veterans as only the British can do, with parades and Royal Galas befitting the occasion. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199133/Queen-leads-ceremonies-marking-70th-anniversary-victory-Japan-veterans-parade-London.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

And meanwhile in the USA, our President played golf with Bill Clinton on Martha's Vineyard, but still took time out of his busy schedule to honor the memory and sacrifice of........

Michael Brown and Ferguson. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-remembers-ferguson-one-year-later/

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.
And yet you ignored that huge hole in your attack and posted it anyway. Are you angling for a Fox News job? This is very no go zone of you. Good luck.
Not sure what the no go zone means. But I do know that our President is tone deaf when it comes to issues like these. Not even a mention of it on the 70th anniversary? I get that we will do something on 9/2, but Jesus christ just acknowledge the history and let these vets know they're not forgotten. Especially when they see and hear all the stuff going on in England. What he elects to say and not say on a daily basis is unbelievable.
 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”
 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”
I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
Obama is Satan because he doesn't believe we're the best country on the planet.
I agree with the first part, but the second part makes no sense. 'Murica.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
In RI, the only state that still observes VJ Day, it was observed last Monday. It always seems to fall on a Monday in mid-August.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.
Nobody cares, blowhard.
Go #### yourself dink. Who are you to make a comment like that? You make a few comical comments in this place, and post cute videos every once in a while, but good God you can be a Grade A douchbag at times. I made the comment primarily to give context to my wrath on this issue (which I admit is probably over the top) to another poster who I happen to respect and like. And guess what - it wasn't you.So while classless idiots like yourself may not appreciate the sacrifice made by WWII Veterans on the 70th anniversary of VJ Day, there are still plenty of others who still feel a sense of gratitude for it, or at minimal the intelligence to at least respect the historical significance of the day. And when you see our complete silence on the day juxtaposed against the incredible outpouring by the British it really sticks in the craw of a lot of people. But our President chooses to use all his precious words in his weekly radio address to once again highlight the criminal actions of a loser thug who robbed a store and attacked a cop. Has he not made enough mention of Michael Brown the past week, this past year? Couldn't even moderate his approach and focus his words on the legitimate civil rights issues underneath the story? How about this... Start off his address acknowledging VJ Day and invoking McArthur's words from that day:

”It is my earnest hope,” he said, ” and indeed the hope of all mankind, that from this solemn occasion a better world shall emerge out of the blood and carnage of the past — a world dedicated to the dignity of man and the fulfillment of his most cherished wish for freedom, tolerance and justice.”
That's not so hard, right? Then tie it in to the civil rights issues of the day. Inclusiveness. But that's not what Obama does.

Hopefully he has something special in store for September 2nd, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.
Nobody cares, blowhard.
Go #### yourself dink. Who are you to make a comment like that? You make a few comical comments in this place, and post cute videos every once in a while, but good God you can be a Grade A douchbag at times. I made the comment primarily to give context to my wrath on this issue (which I admit is probably over the top) to another poster who I happen to respect and like. And guess what - it wasn't you.So while classless idiots like yourself may not appreciate the sacrifice made by WWII Veterans on the 70th anniversary of VJ Day, there are still plenty of others who still feel a sense of gratitude for it, or at minimal the intelligence to at least respect the historical significance of the day. And when you see our complete silence on the day juxtaposed against the incredible outpouring by the British it really sticks in the craw of a lot of people. But our President chooses to use all his precious words in his weekly radio address to once again highlight the criminal actions of a loser thug who robbed a store and attacked a cop. Has he not made enough mention of Michael Brown the past week, this past year? Couldn't even moderate his approach and focus his words on the legitimate civil rights issues underneath the story? How about this... Start off his address acknowledging VJ Day and invoking McArthur's words from that day:

”It is my earnest hope,” he said, ” and indeed the hope of all mankind, that from this solemn occasion a better world shall emerge out of the blood and carnage of the past — a world dedicated to the dignity of man and the fulfillment of his most cherished wish for freedom, tolerance and justice.”
That's not so hard, right? Then tie it in to the civil rights issues of the day. Inclusiveness. But that's not what Obama does.

Hopefully he has something special in store for September 2nd, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Well now I feel bad.

 
General Tso, I think it's totally cool that your dad served on the Missouri, and I'd like to hear more about it. Pete Malloy was rude and wrong; I care and I'm betting a lot of people do.

That being said, your OP makes no sense. Obama will likely do something on Sept 2, if he doesn't then that would be worthy of criticism, not before. Obama's recognition of the anniversary of Michael Brown's death was, IMO, just.

 
General Tso, I think it's totally cool that your dad served on the Missouri, and I'd like to hear more about it. Pete Malloy was rude and wrong; I care and I'm betting a lot of people do.

That being said, your OP makes no sense. Obama will likely do something on Sept 2, if he doesn't then that would be worthy of criticism, not before. Obama's recognition of the anniversary of Michael Brown's death was, IMO, just.
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It's obvious what this about and, as a veteran who doesn't have to cite someone else's service, I am appalled that Tso would use this solemn occasion to try to score political points.

 
It's obvious what this about and, as a veteran who doesn't have to cite someone else's service, I am appalled that Tso would use this solemn occasion to try to score political points.
Yeah well it's par for the course for him. I think he was my first ignore, long before he ever slithered into the FFA.
 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.
not sure of your point.That's spot on.
At least he didn't say that Mexicans believe in Mexican exceptionalism. That'd just be ridiculous.
Have you even tried chilaquiles?
As a matter of fact I had some last Sunday.

 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.
not sure of your point.That's spot on.
At least he didn't say that Mexicans believe in Mexican exceptionalism. That'd just be ridiculous.
Have you even tried chilaquiles?
As a matter of fact I had some last Sunday.
And weren't they exceptional?!?!?
 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.
not sure of your point.That's spot on.
At least he didn't say that Mexicans believe in Mexican exceptionalism. That'd just be ridiculous.
Have you even tried chilaquiles?
As a matter of fact I had some last Sunday.
And weren't they exceptional?!?!?
They were pretty damned good. But I wouldn't place the fate of a nation on them.

 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.
not sure of your point.That's spot on.
At least he didn't say that Mexicans believe in Mexican exceptionalism. That'd just be ridiculous.
Have you even tried chilaquiles?
As a matter of fact I had some last Sunday.
And weren't they exceptional?!?!?
They were pretty damned good. But I wouldn't place the fate of a nation on them.
Have you even tried chicken Kiev?
 
Obama on American Exceptionalism:

I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.
not sure of your point.That's spot on.
At least he didn't say that Mexicans believe in Mexican exceptionalism. That'd just be ridiculous.
Have you even tried chilaquiles?
As a matter of fact I had some last Sunday.
And weren't they exceptional?!?!?
They were pretty damned good. But I wouldn't place the fate of a nation on them.
Have you even tried chicken Kiev?
Yes

 
Sorry to hear that you're thinking of your father, Tso. I'm not necessarily thinking that anybody did anything horrible, but I'll never understand certain hostilities here. Once it's done, piling it on seems a bit redundant. I think sticking up for one's self is sort of imperative given what happens to people who provoke, digress, get abstract, deviate from political norms, etc.

Anyway, I didn't necessarily agree with your post, but I wouldn't rush to judgment on your leap from this being an occasion to think about the President and where he stands on exceptionalism. I think it's a valid point, if imperfect. If he's not an exceptionalist, which your quote implies (because we know how he feels about British exceptionalism) then you'd figure he'd give a nod on the international day. But that's too far a digression, in my opinion, and sort of a slight criticism, though I can see where you might think that on a day you're thinking of your father.

Good day, all.

 
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I work for CVS (corporate's in RI) and I actually get a paid holiday for VJ day (although now they just call it Victory Day). Pretty wild. Only state in the union that still honors it.

 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.
Either you don't care about VJ day, or your father was not on the Missouri. Or both. If you cared about VJ day, because your dad was on the Missouri you would absolutely know what month VJ day falls in.

I believe the only reason you actually care is this:

I watch Fox from 8-11 almost every night.
 
Or maybe he was waiting for Sept 2nd you know the official US VJ day since that's the day the surrender was signed and that is when we traditionally observe it.
I know all about it. My Dad was on the Missouri.
Either you don't care about VJ day, or your father was not on the Missouri. Or both. If you cared about VJ day, because your dad was on the Missouri you would absolutely know what month VJ day falls in.

I believe the only reason you actually care is this:

I watch Fox from 8-11 almost every night.
Holy crap.

 
So I took a one day reprieve from this thread because it was obvious that it was going to turn into a personal attack, which is to be expected in this place. There's an element of mob behavior, piling-on as Rockaction put it, that is very unseemly. I don't like to see anyone in here subjected to that kind of crap, never mind myself.

That being said, I don't regret one bit the harsh criticism I lobbed at Obama here. Tim makes a reasonable point that it's perhaps a bit unfair to levy the criticism before the "official" VJ Day that the US recognizes on September 2nd. But the fact remains that President Obama is the first President since at least 1975 (that's as far back as I went with my research) that hasn't at least made mention of VJ Day on or about August 14th and 15th, the days when most of the world recognizes as the end of WWII.

2005 - 60th Anniversary - President Bush recognizes VJ Day and the veterans in his first weekly radio address delivered after August 15th:

Next week, in Utah, I will also address the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention and thank the proud veterans who have given today's troops such a noble example of devotion and courage. At the end of the month, I will join our veterans and current service members in San Diego to commemorate the 60th anniversary of V-J Day, the day that ended World War II, the bloodiest conflict in human history.The veterans of World War II defended America when ruthless foes threatened our freedom and our very way of life. And after winning a great victory, they helped former enemies rebuild and form free and peaceful societies that would become strong allies of America. The World War II generation endured great suffering and sacrifice because they understood that defeating tyranny in Europe and Asia was essential to the security and freedom of America.

Like previous wars we have waged to protect our freedom, the war on terror requires great sacrifice from Americans. By their courage and sacrifices, today's soldiers, sailors, airmen, Coast Guardsmen and Marines are taking their rightful place among the heroes of history, and the American people are thankful and proud. In this war, many of these brave men and women have given their lives to defend their fellow citizens and to bring the hope of freedom to millions who have not known it. We owe these fallen heroes our gratitude, and we offer their families our heartfelt condolences and prayers.

Now we must finish the task that our troops have given their lives for and honor their sacrifice by completing their mission. We can be confident in the ultimate triumph of our cause, because we know that freedom is the future of every nation and that the side of freedom is the side of victory.
1995 - 50th Anniversary - President Clinton's staff holds a comprehensive informational briefing on VJ Day on August 11th, where a panel of Army Generals and historians chronicled the historical significance of VJ Day along with the plans for the upcoming commemoration. The briefing lasts almost an hour and a half.

1985 - 40th Anniversary - President Reagan's staff conduct a ceremony on August 14th on the aircraft carrier Enterprise, with speeches given by Vice President George Bush and Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger. Also in attendance at the event were Secretary of State George P. Shultz; the White House staff chief, Donald T. Regan; Energy Secretary John Harrington; the national security adviser, Robert C. McFarlane; the media adviser, Patrick J. Buchanan; Navy Secretary John F. Lehman Jr., and generals and admirals commanding various elements of national defense forces.

All when you juxtapose this historical context with the incredible ceremonies in Britain on Saturday, where the 89 year old queen cut short her vacation to attend the event, despite an ISIS bomb plot I might add, you come away asking yourself what is the US doing to commemorate the 70th anniversary here? Well it's clear we aren't doing anything like Reagan or Clinton did around the August 14-15 date. And I guess that is understandable to a point. We are getting farther and farther from the actual VJ Day, and there are fewer veterans around who actually served during that period.

But not even a mention of it in Obama's weekly radio address? Not a single word? My first thought was, well, maybe Obama's not one for commemorating anniversaries in his radio address. But then you look at a log of his addresses, and they are filled with such commemorations. Take his last 4:

  • Aug. 15 - commemorates the one year anniversary of Michael Brown (disgraceful I might add)
  • Aug 8 - commemorates the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act
  • Aug. 1 - commemorates the 50th anniversary of Medicare / Medicaid
  • July 25 - commemorates the five year anniversary of the Wall Street Reform Act
Look, I get the guy is a Liberal, and as the saying goes "to the victor goes the spoils". But optically it looks bad, and makes me long for the days of Ronald Reagan when guys like my Dad were so graciously honored for their service.

Not the end of the word, and perhaps it's even resulting from less nefarious motives, like an oversight from a White House staff that is likely not 100% on its game with vacation schedules and all.

And Tim and Rock - thanks for the kind words. Always appreciate you guys and what you bring to the table, even though we do seem to be at odds on most political issues. With regard to my Dad and his WWII service, he was a signalman aboard the Missouri. He was also born on Veterans Day which I always thought was neat. Lots of cool stories which we can talk about offline or in another thread. I am totally fascinated with the WWII generation.

 

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