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Once again Tedd Ginn disappoints (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
That's a silly sentence.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
11 catches and I think I'm dropping him for Manningham tomorrow.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
mashers said:
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Ginn had a good game but as the broadcast team said big time players pull that down. He's just not elite.Fantaholic said:
Even better yet. Can't really blame Ginn on that one. The one in the first quarter in the back of the end zone - fine.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
"Not" placed in front of elite gives an entirely different meaning you know.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
No, no, no. Fitz definitely makes that catch, of course. Can't blame Ginn for not being Fitz, but most good receivers make that play. If you give a top receiver both hands on the ball, they catch it. He had other drops, too. I'm amazed that, as poorly as they managed the clock, the Dolphins had a chance to take the lead that late. They just don't have a really good receiver. Fantasy-wise, Ginn has a nice stat line. But he let the team down, no doubt. The Dolphins need a #1.mashers said:
duaneok66
Footballguy
he siad that Ginn wasn't elite - like that's even up for debate . . .
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Ted Ginn is the last time Huizenga shafted the Dolphins. He hired that idiot coach who declared the Dolphins drafted the whole Ginn family. The sooner he is history, the better in my book.
Clock management was brutal. No hurry up, confusion at the line, THEN they call a timeout losing about 15 seconds.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I will say that Ted seems to have attended the Roy Williams school of disappointing first round receivers, not the Charles Rogers one.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I've always believed Ted Ginn could breakout, but I don't like his situation. That said, good WRs will make that play.
However, Miami's O tends not to feature any one player. I'm sure they could care less about fantasy football, LOL. Same goes for Ronnie Brown. Both got used extensively tonight, so maybe things will change.
I wouldn't hold my breath, though. In games where the Wildcat isn't working real well, Miami seems to struggle. Some people may disagree with me, but I believe part of the problem is Pennington, who simply can't make some of throws a lot of QBs can make (because of limited arm strength). I wonder if they would be better off with Henne right now.
However, Miami's O tends not to feature any one player. I'm sure they could care less about fantasy football, LOL. Same goes for Ronnie Brown. Both got used extensively tonight, so maybe things will change.
I wouldn't hold my breath, though. In games where the Wildcat isn't working real well, Miami seems to struggle. Some people may disagree with me, but I believe part of the problem is Pennington, who simply can't make some of throws a lot of QBs can make (because of limited arm strength). I wonder if they would be better off with Henne right now.
az_prof
Footballguy
He should have had this one. But how about last week where White and Pennington on two throws where he had beaten his man deep could not get him the throw? He is not elite yet but he isn't exactly put in alot of great situations. I would love to see him on IND with Peyton. Other than that TD miss he played a very good game tonight and clearly was getting open against one of the better CBs in the game.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Ginn dropped it. The defender didn't get his hand in there until after Ginn let it bounce off his hands. And, yes, the defender tugged on his jersey a tad early, but they let 'em play.
Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
I'll take the 21 points from my WR4.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I saw nothing wrong with Pennington tonight. He made plays and put the ball where it had to be. Sure, he's got a noodle, but he led the team down the field. He converted plenty of third downs.Pennington played just fine imo.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
he must have been targeted 20 times in that game. awesome
pennington didnt even look in any other direction, he went straight to Ginn over and over.
pennington didnt even look in any other direction, he went straight to Ginn over and over.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Pennington played like he had never run a two minute drill. That was the only issue with him tonight, though.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Really? Just think how many more plays they could have had at the end if they hadn't wasted all of the time before the 2 minute warning. There is no excuse for that.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
In real football, that means he didn't play a very good game tonight.Plus, I saw other drops (caught the game late and didn't even see the alleged TD drop in the 1st half). You have to come up big when the team needs you. They didn't need him to fight through double coverage and make a fingertip catch. They needed him to catch the ball when it was put in the right spot when it counted most.
If you play great except when you're in the end zone, you're not a #1 receiver. Maybe he's young and we're being too critical. But come on, man. That's a catchable ball.
SportsMumboJumbo
Footballguy
If you watch the Dolphins games, you know that Ginn is pretty much open a good majority of the time. The problem is he consistently drops passes and does not make enough big plays.
In 3 years he has yet to come up with a big catch. I know he had good stats tonight, but for a top 10 NFL draft pick its time for him to start making these huge plays when it counts. Is it to soon to start using the word bust?
In 3 years he has yet to come up with a big catch. I know he had good stats tonight, but for a top 10 NFL draft pick its time for him to start making these huge plays when it counts. Is it to soon to start using the word bust?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Regardless of whether he should have caught two potential TDs (he should have) or whether he could step up to be a bigger downfield threat (he won't), 10+ catches is something I will take from a flex player in a PPR.
My question is, has he shown enough so far to be targeted 10+ times a game, and will Miami play a similar ball control kind of game against opponents all year, which only adds potential for more Ginn targets?
My question is, has he shown enough so far to be targeted 10+ times a game, and will Miami play a similar ball control kind of game against opponents all year, which only adds potential for more Ginn targets?
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree. Pennington threw better than normal but his two minute drill was lethargic! There was no intensity and no sense of urgency.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Personally, I blame coaching for drills like that. It's clear they don't practice it. He made the throws he had to make and called time out when it was clear the team wasn't ready for the snap. I don't put that on Pennington.Of course, he isn't asked to do too much in that offense, either. I'm not saying he kept them in the game or is the reason they had the lead late. But I didn't see anything wrong with his play tonight.
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az_prof
Footballguy
Well, we all notice the one he didn't make, but he caught alot of balls and looked good running with it. He isn't an elite WR but he is continuing to improve. I was impressed by his route running tonight and his ability to get open against a good CB.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Go away LHUCKS.gcoast3 said:
az_prof
Footballguy
Two games into his third season? Yes. Mike Williams wasn't even rostered in his third season--that's a bust. Charles Rogers was injured in his third season and on the sidelines. That's a bust. Ginn may never live up to the top ten pick expectations, but he is not a bust.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I dont think he is a "bust", but he clearly is not a player worthy of being drafted 9th overall. He is a very servicable WR2/3, but he is by no means a 1, and does not appear as though he ever will be. Your 1 needs to make that catch 10 out of 10 times.Thats a devestating loss. To many missed tackles, and one huge drop.
Jayrod
Footballguy
One thing a lot of you don't seem to realize is the fact that the Dolphins ran a ridiculous number of plays in a smotheringly humid environment and Ted Ginn ran farther than anyone else on the field throughout the night.
Fewer plays and/or a cooler night and Ginn may have hung on to that last TD. The announcers kept talking about how tired the Colts defense was, meanwhile Ginn is running back to the huddle to get the play call after running a 30+ yard route and getting ready to do the same thing again while the defense knows what they are trying to do.
Fewer plays and/or a cooler night and Ginn may have hung on to that last TD. The announcers kept talking about how tired the Colts defense was, meanwhile Ginn is running back to the huddle to get the play call after running a 30+ yard route and getting ready to do the same thing again while the defense knows what they are trying to do.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think a more fair standard is "will his second contract be worth more than his first?" For a young receiver it should be definitely, yes-- if you're good enough. Right now I'd say no. Even at his current rate of progress I'd say no. Maybe he'll turn it on later. Right now he looks like a less-reliable Randle-El. That's not a #1 WR to me. But like I said earlier, maybe we're being too critical. Perhaps he needs more time or a better situation.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
isnt this a fantasy football forum? what do i care where he was drafted in the real world? real world means nothing to me. I got him in the late rounds of my FANTASY FOOTBALL draft and he was just targeted a #### ton and had 11 receptions in my PPR. YA, THATS PRETTY GOOD!
CalBear
Footballguy
I think the second TD would have been a difficult catch, and there was some interference before the ball got there. But top receivers make that catch. The first TD, he should have had, he just didn't get his hands up early enough. (Patrick Crayton did the same thing yesterday).
Another play that seemed a pretty big mistake was the catch he had on second and long in the two-minute drill, where he could easily have stepped out ahead of the first-down marker, or at least extended the ball to get the first, but instead they wound up at third and one instead of first and 10; that led to the sneak which cost 20 seconds and a down after the spike.
It seems to me there's little chance Ginn will become an elite receiver in the NFL, but he will probably be useful in fantasy.
Another play that seemed a pretty big mistake was the catch he had on second and long in the two-minute drill, where he could easily have stepped out ahead of the first-down marker, or at least extended the ball to get the first, but instead they wound up at third and one instead of first and 10; that led to the sneak which cost 20 seconds and a down after the spike.
It seems to me there's little chance Ginn will become an elite receiver in the NFL, but he will probably be useful in fantasy.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Week 1, he had only 2 catches off of 5 targets. It was Bess who was targeted more. My question isn't so much if Ginn can keep developing (I think he will) or if he looked crisp out there (I think he did). It's whether you think there is going to be enough consistency of opportunity for Ginn in this offense for him to be the primary receiver of targets for most games, or whether it will be catch as catch can between him, Bess, Hartline, Camarillo, Fasano, and even Ronnie and Ricky.
duaneok66
Footballguy
agreed . . . the most overused word in NFL jargon is "dropped"sure, a TOP TEN NFL receiver should make that catch, but to the rest of the NFL that's a tough catch to make . . .
Jimmy James
Footballguy
It's a catch every legitimate top receiver in the game makes. Heck, Braylon Edwards makes that catch 50% of the time.
Bonzai
Footballguy
So you got Laveranues Coles and not Larry Fitzgerald. There's worse ways to spend a first round pick.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
He dropped 2 TDs that he should have caught. I was against drafting him from day 1. I still stand by it. Cut or trade.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
You just insulted Coles
duaneok66
Footballguy
Jimmy James
Footballguy
That's the premise of this thread. His draft position demands he be a top receiver. He is underperforming that status. He looks like a faster Brian Finneran.
