"One Small Step" Bridging the political divide. 60 Minutes (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

If you have a few minutes this is a good watch.  

This is not about what side you are on.  It is about talking face to face and finding out what people are really about.   They end up more alike than different.

I agree with this as in my day to day life for as long as I can remember I never see what the media portrays us to be.   Of course there will be issues here and there but in general.

 

[BladeRunner]

Thanks, @Da Guru!

This is an excellent video. 

 

[The Commish]

If you have a few minutes this is a good watch.  

This is not about what side you are on.  It is about talking face to face and finding out what people are really about.   They end up more alike than different.

I agree with this as in my day to day life for as long as I can remember I never see what the media portrays us to be.   Of course there will be issues here and there but in general.

I encourage anyone who professes to be fed up with our "media" to actually stop consuming it for a month...and that includes social media.  It's been 5+ years and counting for me and couldn't be more aware of what those forces actually are.  The thing that annoys me to no end these days are the yokels who complain about our media while consuming it, non-stop during almost all their free time.  I am comfortable in saying the lot is on the "moronic" side.

 

[supermike80]

I encourage anyone who professes to be fed up with our "media" to actually stop consuming it for a month...and that includes social media.  It's been 5+ years and counting for me and couldn't be more aware of what those forces actually are.  The thing that annoys me to no end these days are the yokels who complain about our media while consuming it, non-stop during almost all their free time.  I am comfortable in saying the lot is on the "moronic" side.

Agreed....Hard to complain about the media if you are clicking, watching, etc...No need.

 

[GordonGekko]

If you have a few minutes this is a good watch.  

This is not about what side you are on.  It is about talking face to face and finding out what people are really about.   They end up more alike than different.

I agree with this as in my day to day life for as long as I can remember I never see what the media portrays us to be.   Of course there will be issues here and there but in general.

I agree and disagree.

I said this over a year ago Conservatives and/or Republicans should live in states and cities full of only other Conservatives and/or Republicans. Same for liberals and leftists in their own states and cities. Once people align with those with their same or near same values, then they can work on functional governance. Right now, a lot of the ground level conflict is on different values.

"Let's Be Better" is a pathway to virtue signal that one side should surrender their value system, but do so quietly and without guilt and blow back.

Most of the time, I see "Let's Be Better" as a type of weaponization to cover for one's tribe when that tribe has done something indefensible. It's actually a tactic of narcissists.

I have always fully encourage my Conservative and Republican brothers here and outside of here to embrace traditional liberals. Doesn't mean though that we all need to live in the same state and same city and same towns and need our kids to go to the same schools. You can embrace someone as a fellow American and wish them all the happiness in the entire world - Just far far far far far far away from you.

If some people want to attempt civil order by getting rid of cops and replacing them with social workers with flash cards. Go ahead. I'm OK with people moving to and living in a place where their values are shared and encouraged. And if that social worker pulls out a flash card from their fanny pack and tries to talk down a psychopath who stabs them to death, then they have to live with that outcome. And it's not like living with all Conservatives and Republicans all the time is going to be a piece of cake either. Do I want to drive across town and see a Cross Fit box on every street covered in flags and have people argue about the potential career of Jason Street if he didn't try to make that tackle and just let the Pick 6 happen ( Yes, Matt Saracen, everyone does leave you when you stop being the QB1)? But there's a price to pay for everything.

Somehow what disappeared is the idea that it's OK to disagree and separate. 340 million people aren't going to agree on values. So break them up into manageable chunks and let people find a place to live that fits their values. If a state wants no abortion, let them. If a state wants Defund The Police, let them. If a state wants nothing but Social Justice, let them. If a state doesn't want CRT in their schools, let them.

We teach our children that sometimes there are other kids that they can't get along with and they shouldn't play with and shouldn't hang around and it's OK to live and let live. Don't wish them harm, don't get in their way, don't argue, just move on and find friends elsewhere. Why is that so bad?

Many people don't need more conversations. They need distance. Many of you grew up in bad households and that's tragic. I didn't grow up in a Cosby household. Well the ideal version of a Cosby household. How about a household like Coach Taylor and his wife in Friday Night Lights? What did some of you understand quickly? If you wanted a chance to not get caught up and die in madness and watch your life get shredded to nothing, you needed to leave. I'd wager half the enlistments in the military by people out of high school are people who know they need to escape their environments to have a chance at some kind of life.

Every MSM outlet talking about some kind of compromise are actually trying to seed down a passive aggressive demand for surrender. Just give in and stop complaining and stop fighting this one specific narrow narrative that needs to dominate everyone.

Look Da Guru, you are a long time veteran here. I'm guessing you mean well here. Or mostly well. But like that kid in high school who knows he's in a toxic household, more conversations won't fix what can't be fixed.

The fastest path to change is to change your surrounding day to day environment. I wish no harm to traditional liberals. And it's true, most of them probably share some viewpoints with most Conservatives. But who says we need to live in the same cities and neighborhoods?

What do I think will happen in separation? I believe modern and centrist Conservatives and Republicans will slaughter off the fringe right wing radicals. And the traditional and moderate liberals and leftists will wipe out the woke cancel culture radical left. Then it's not a purity test anymore because it's not about core values, it will be about how radical will things be tolerated. Then the bloodshed is just self preservation for our children.

I have a problem with woke cancel culture radical leftists trying to purge out Conservatives and Republicans. Because it's taking the actions of a few zealots and using to justify wiping out everyone period.

I don't have a problem with moderate and centrist Conservatives and Republicans wiping out the most fringe psychotic right wing elements within it's own ranks.

There's a huge difference.

For the record, social workers with those fanny packs full of soothing flash cards that have previous embraced a lifestyle of Conservative overly religious Cross Fit overpriced cultist fitness are less likely to be stabbed by bailed out career criminals. Sometimes you can outrun woke. That's about all the bi-partisan-ism I think is needed here. 

 

[Da Guru]

I agree and disagree.

I said this over a year ago Conservatives and/or Republicans should live in states and cities full of only other Conservatives and/or Republicans. Same for liberals and leftists in their own states and cities. Once people align with those with their same or near same values, then they can work on functional governance. Right now, a lot of the ground level conflict is on different values.

"Let's Be Better" is a pathway to virtue signal that one side should surrender their value system, but do so quietly and without guilt and blow back.

Most of the time, I see "Let's Be Better" as a type of weaponization to cover for one's tribe when that tribe has done something indefensible. It's actually a tactic of narcissists.

I have always fully encourage my Conservative and Republican brothers here and outside of here to embrace traditional liberals. Doesn't mean though that we all need to live in the same state and same city and same towns and need our kids to go to the same schools. You can embrace someone as a fellow American and wish them all the happiness in the entire world - Just far far far far far far away from you.

If some people want to attempt civil order by getting rid of cops and replacing them with social workers with flash cards. Go ahead. I'm OK with people moving to and living in a place where their values are shared and encouraged. And if that social worker pulls out a flash card from their fanny pack and tries to talk down a psychopath who stabs them to death, then they have to live with that outcome. And it's not like living with all Conservatives and Republicans all the time is going to be a piece of cake either. Do I want to drive across town and see a Cross Fit box on every street covered in flags and have people argue about the potential career of Jason Street if he didn't try to make that tackle and just let the Pick 6 happen ( Yes, Matt Saracen, everyone does leave you when you stop being the QB1)? But there's a price to pay for everything.

Somehow what disappeared is the idea that it's OK to disagree and separate. 340 million people aren't going to agree on values. So break them up into manageable chunks and let people find a place to live that fits their values. If a state wants no abortion, let them. If a state wants Defund The Police, let them. If a state wants nothing but Social Justice, let them. If a state doesn't want CRT in their schools, let them.

We teach our children that sometimes there are other kids that they can't get along with and they shouldn't play with and shouldn't hang around and it's OK to live and let live. Don't wish them harm, don't get in their way, don't argue, just move on and find friends elsewhere. Why is that so bad?

Many people don't need more conversations. They need distance. Many of you grew up in bad households and that's tragic. I didn't grow up in a Cosby household. Well the ideal version of a Cosby household. How about a household like Coach Taylor and his wife in Friday Night Lights? What did some of you understand quickly? If you wanted a chance to not get caught up and die in madness and watch your life get shredded to nothing, you needed to leave. I'd wager half the enlistments in the military by people out of high school are people who know they need to escape their environments to have a chance at some kind of life.

Every MSM outlet talking about some kind of compromise are actually trying to seed down a passive aggressive demand for surrender. Just give in and stop complaining and stop fighting this one specific narrow narrative that needs to dominate everyone.

Look Da Guru, you are a long time veteran here. I'm guessing you mean well here. Or mostly well. But like that kid in high school who knows he's in a toxic household, more conversations won't fix what can't be fixed.

The fastest path to change is to change your surrounding day to day environment. I wish no harm to traditional liberals. And it's true, most of them probably share some viewpoints with most Conservatives. But who says we need to live in the same cities and neighborhoods?

What do I think will happen in separation? I believe modern and centrist Conservatives and Republicans will slaughter off the fringe right wing radicals. And the traditional and moderate liberals and leftists will wipe out the woke cancel culture radical left. Then it's not a purity test anymore because it's not about core values, it will be about how radical will things be tolerated. Then the bloodshed is just self preservation for our children.

I have a problem with woke cancel culture radical leftists trying to purge out Conservatives and Republicans. Because it's taking the actions of a few zealots and using to justify wiping out everyone period.

I don't have a problem with moderate and centrist Conservatives and Republicans wiping out the most fringe psychotic right wing elements within it's own ranks.

There's a huge difference.

For the record, social workers with those fanny packs full of soothing flash cards that have previous embraced a lifestyle of Conservative overly religious Cross Fit overpriced cultist fitness are less likely to be stabbed by bailed out career criminals. Sometimes you can outrun woke. That's about all the bi-partisan-ism I think is needed here. 

Have to ponder what you said.   I like reading your posts because you go into so much detail about what you write.

It is not about meaning well.   I guess what this segment means is face to face most people never have an issue with each other.  i totally believe for the most part that is true.   But is some ways you are correct as we never really come face to face anymore.

 

[The Commish]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

 

[MAC_32]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

Toxicity is a feature; not a bug.

 

[jon_mx]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

What is telling is how oblivious you are to the fact this problem is mostly one-sided.  One side is being heard and listened too.  We have black history month, LGBT groups, Asian hate crime talk forces, etc.  We have national outrage when minorities are wrongly treated.  On the flip side we have cancel culture whose purpose is to censor and destroy anyone who points out flaws in their narrative.  There is no lack of coverage to the plight of minorities and there is no lack of political action to make sure they are treated fairly.  

The problem is over the last decade, the left has been so empowered with being heard, they have overplayed their hand and are actively using it to shut up the other side and have become the oppressive force.   Of course this obvious truth is laughed at.  But that is the real cancer that inflicts us today.  It is not that nobody sees this important aspect, it is that people like you are not honest with identifying when and where it is happening. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

Perhaps, but did you find the “One Small Step” story surprising? I hope that we already know that most of us can get along for a while if we want to. 

 

[The Commish]

Toxicity is a feature; not a bug.

agreed...

 

[supermike80]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

Honestly, I skipped it because I got the feeling it would be about one side telling the other side to be better.   And that gets kind of annoying.   Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't really have time for it.  I don't need 60 minutes to tell me how to be better.

 

[The Commish]

Perhaps, but did you find the “One Small Step” story surprising? I hope that we already know that most of us can get along for a while if we want to. 

It's my favorite segment on NPR, so no, I'm not surprised at all.  I love listening to them.  What does surprise me is the constant railing on our "media" by people who willingly obsess over it and provide it the food it craves.  People rant and rave about how terrible it is all the time all the while they sit and consume it like a porn addict.  All they care about is that we watch.  That's it.  I'm fully aware that what this segment is trying to achieve is doable because I've done it.  The closest thing to "media" in this country that I consume is this forum and I don't go to probably 95% of the links provided.  Most of my life is spent talking directly with people, not behind a keyboard and monitor.  The best thing any of us could do is dump our media outlets...including social media.  

There are still some who believe our media outlets are here to serve a purpose to the people like it was back in the 70s and 80s.  It's not been that way since the late 90s / early 2000s.  The ONLY problem with our "media" is that people pay attention to it and insist on having interactions with everyone else based on how the media tells them to.  It's akin to watching a person whining and pissing and moaning that they have a headache as you sit there and watch them ram their head into a bridge abutment over and over and over again.  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

In fairness it's a 15 minute video with commercials mixed in.  If the transcript was posted we could read it in 60 seconds. 

(I bailed when they played a second round of unskippable commercials right after the intro -- I'm at work and while I'm admittedly screwing around, I don't have time for this).

 

[The Commish]

In fairness it's a 15 minute video with commercials mixed in.  If the transcript was posted we could read it in 60 seconds. 

(I bailed when they played a second round of unskippable commercials right after the intro -- I'm at work and while I'm admittedly screwing around, I don't have time for this).

I didn't watch the 60 Minutes piece and my comment was not specific to having watched it.  If you have limited time, I'd rather you listen to the segment on NPR for a month or so.  It's REALLY good.  You don't need to watch a 60 Minutes report on it.

 

[djmich]

There are still some who believe our media outlets are here to serve a purpose to the people like it was back in the 70s and 80s.  

TBH, I’m not sure there’s one single poster here who believes that besides @timschochet

To some of your earlier comments I think people here consume MSM a lot less and with much more skepticism than you might be implying.

 

[MAC_32]

Perhaps, but did you find the “One Small Step” story surprising? I hope that we already know that most of us can get along for a while if we want to. 

Generally speaking, I think the majority of those who frequent this forum align with this mindset. Occasional reinforcement is a good thing though. 

 

[sho nuff]

It's telling a thread about probably the most important aspect of our political problems in this country only has single digit posts a day in.  Tells you what you need to know about the PSF.  

I think its two pronged...

-people tend to agree with the premise of it...when people agree, it does not generate a lot of discussion as there is little to disagree about and debate...which seems to be what people like to do here

-many probably did not yet take the time to watch it...I hadn't.  It may be a laziness thing...because it seems when people post videos, I don't often give them a watch/listen right away as I would with reading a quick article.  Though, often its because depending on the time of day Im checking it out, I may be doing other things between work or listening to something streaming or so on.

 

[Juxtatarot]

In fairness it's a 15 minute video with commercials mixed in.  If the transcript was posted we could read it in 60 seconds. 

(I bailed when they played a second round of unskippable commercials right after the intro -- I'm at work and while I'm admittedly screwing around, I don't have time for this).

Transcript is right below the video in the link.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Transcript is right below the video in the link.

 If I had scrolled down just the slightest bit I would have seen this.  

 

[The Commish]

TBH, I’m not sure there’s one single poster here who believes that besides @timschochet

To some of your earlier comments I think people here consume MSM a lot less and with much more skepticism than you might be implying.

It's likely more accurate for me to say "there are some here who think the media should be operating the way it did in the 70s and 80s".  We don't have to look beyond the daily rants we get about how lopsided the media is and the conspiracy theories around how the government is "really" controlling them etc etc etc.  Tim is NOT alone.

To an individual you may be correct in your second point.  There's no real way to know for sure.  All I can rely on is the posting behaviors and cadence that I read here to make my best guess.  We don't really "know" what others "really" think unless they fess up and say WYSIWYG.  Though, I will say, if they don't consume it as much as they lead us to believe, then it makes their ranting and raving about it that much more dishonest IMO.  It would mean these illicit reactions to our "media' are driven merely by cursory dabblings in the media.  That's just as dishonest IMO.  There's a reason I rarely, if ever comment on our national media anymore outside of "stop consuming it".  That's because I have no real idea what they are saying or actually doing.  Zero interest in finding out either.  Life is significantly better without it.

 

[Da Guru]

In fairness it's a 15 minute video with commercials mixed in.  If the transcript was posted we could read it in 60 seconds. 

(I bailed when they played a second round of unskippable commercials right after the intro -- I'm at work and while I'm admittedly screwing around, I don't have time for this).

A quote I agree with from the segment. I have said this all along. I never in my day to day life see people the way the media portrays us. Of course in country of 350 million people there will always be a fringes.  Hate is a huge business now.

Dave Isay seems to always be listening, always taking notes, even during our interview. 

He told us journalism should be a public service and now hopes that "One Small Step" can help end what he calls the "culture of contempt" that is tearing apart the country. 

Dave Isay: The situation is so bad that, you know, if-- if the culture of contempt wins-- things are just not gonna end well for the United States. 

Norah O'Donnell: What's fueling the culture of contempt?

Dave Isay: It's the media. It's social media. I mean, there's a multi-multi-multi-billion dollar hate industrial complex, where people-- you know,  make money by making us hate and fear each other. It's a little bit of a David and Goliath fight here.

 

[djmich]

To an individual you may be correct in your second point.  There's no real way to know for sure.  All I can rely on is the posting behaviors and cadence that I read here to make my best guess.  We don't really "know" what others "really" think unless they fess up and say WYSIWYG.  Though, I will say, if they don't consume it as much as they lead us to believe, then it makes their ranting and raving about it that much more dishonest IMO.  It would mean these illicit reactions to our "media' are driven merely by cursory dabblings in the media.  That's just as dishonest IMO.  There's a reason I rarely, if ever comment on our national media anymore outside of "stop watching it".  That's because I have no real idea what they are saying or actually doing.  Zero interest in finding out either.  Life is significantly better without it.

Yes, I kind of liken the phenomena to second hand smoke.  You're not a smoker, its very hard to avoid (albeit for some of the same and some different reasons too), but your exposure to it gives you enough impetus to rant and rave about how terrible it is.

Social media also is an accelerant in this regard.  You get two things.  Instant access to MSM of all the big stories as well as instant access to all the failures of MSM.  So you don't have to be glued to the tube (TV or PC) to get a lot of second hand smoke efficiently.

 

[djmich]

A quote I agree with from the segment. I have said this all along. I never in my day to day life see people the way the media portrays us. Of course in country of 350 million people there will always be a fringes.  Hate is a huge business now.

Dave Isay seems to always be listening, always taking notes, even during our interview. 

He told us journalism should be a public service and now hopes that "One Small Step" can help end what he calls the "culture of contempt" that is tearing apart the country. 

Dave Isay: The situation is so bad that, you know, if-- if the culture of contempt wins-- things are just not gonna end well for the United States. 

Norah O'Donnell: What's fueling the culture of contempt?

Dave Isay: It's the media. It's social media. I mean, there's a multi-multi-multi-billion dollar hate industrial complex, where people-- you know,  make money by making us hate and fear each other. It's a little bit of a David and Goliath fight here.

I think this is half true but we need to admit also that its a bunch of bad individuals that are not in the MSM or running Facebook that are a huge part of the problem.  Akin to being poor doesn't make you rob and shoot someone.

 

[The Commish]

Yes, I kind of liken the phenomena to second hand smoke.  You're not a smoker, its very hard to avoid (albeit for some of the same and some different reasons too), but your exposure to it gives you enough impetus to rant and rave about how terrible it is.

Social media also is an accelerant in this regard.  You get two things.  Instant access to MSM of all the big stories as well as instant access to all the failures of MSM.  So you don't have to be glued to the tube (TV or PC) to get a lot of second hand smoke efficiently.

In my experience, it's REALLY easy to avoid....yeah, you may get a whiff from time to time, but if you're doing it correctly, you still can't really figure out where the whiff is coming from (if that makes sense) and you move on.  If I continue with your analogy of second hand smoke, AT BEST a good many people here come across as sitting on the deck beside the smoking section complaining about second hand smoke, but not moving.  That's really not what I am talking about and really not all that different than the smokers in my opinion.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Norah O'Donnell: What's fueling the culture of contempt?

Dave Isay: It's the media. It's social media. I mean, there's a multi-multi-multi-billion dollar hate industrial complex, where people-- you know,  make money by making us hate and fear each other. It's a little bit of a David and Goliath fight here.

This is the part I was going to highlight too.  It's the driver behind all of this, and it doesn't admit an easy solution.  The MSM has been ideologically captured by the same people (woke zealots) who also captured academia, the entertainment industry, and most professional/managerial spaces.  It's not possible to walk that back over the course of a weekend.  And of course 99% of social media is a cesspool.  

It's nice that NPR is apparently doing something about that (although NPR is hardly blameless itself), but none of this stuff is going to get fixed with a little niche radio program.

 

[djmich]

In my experience, it's REALLY easy to avoid....yeah, you may get a whiff from time to time, but if you're doing it correctly, you still can't really figure out where the whiff is coming from (if that makes sense) and you move on.  If I continue with your analogy of second hand smoke, AT BEST a good many people here come across as sitting on the deck beside the smoking section complaining about second hand smoke, but not moving.  That's really not what I am talking about and really not all that different than the smokers in my opinion.

lol yah i agree with everything you're saying and to be honest the second hand smoke comparable is not really a perfect comparison, i'd offer some differences to the MSM situation but probably too far astray 

 

[Da Guru]

This is the part I was going to highlight too.  It's the driver behind all of this, and it doesn't admit an easy solution.  The MSM has been ideologically captured by the same people (woke zealots) who also captured academia, the entertainment industry, and most professional/managerial spaces.  It's not possible to walk that back over the course of a weekend.  And of course 99% of social media is a cesspool.  

It's nice that NPR is apparently doing something about that (although NPR is hardly blameless itself), but none of this stuff is going to get fixed with a little niche radio program.

No it won`t, but it is nice to expose even in a small way the MSM for what they are doing to keep the culture of hate thriving.  The sad thing is at this point in time it is too ingrained into their fabric to change.